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  toddze

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5/05/12 10:08:33 PM#81
Originally posted by deathshroud

they should split up the mmorpg genre into 2 genres, MMORPG'S and WOW'S, So next time they are gonig to announce a new mmo they can say, "

 

hey guys were all pumped because were about to reveal our exciting new ip, An Elder Scrolls WOW"

 

That 1 line would instantly let the community know if they want to follow the game or not in 1 sentence.

I agree, and if there is any question what so ever in a game that they cant decide what genre a game would fall in, it would be the WOW genre.

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  MMOExposed

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5/05/12 10:34:52 PM#82
Originally posted by Xzen
Originally posted by kingotnw
Originally posted by morlock9

Welcome to next week's headline across the gaming community.

Regardless of the state of the recently revealed game or its ability to stand on it's own as an MMO, the development team has departed significantly from the features that characterized previous Elder Scrolls games and has resulted in a backlash from the fan base.

With the leak of some detailed information on game play, many have begun to wonder if the title of Elder Scrolls Online should be replaced with something more fitting a traditional MMO "Based upon the lore of the Elder Scrolls Series".

At a time when most MMO's benifit from exciting announcments, ESO is already being heralded as a falure for lack of vision. This appears to be the most negatively received "reveal" in the history of the modern MMORPG.         
 

Makes no sense at all...

 

Final Fantasy Online games are far different than their console versions and there is tons of those game...

 

UO is very different from the crap ton of the offline Ultima Games...

 

WoW is different than the original Warcraft games...

 

...and on and on... It's an MMORPG. Certain features are not 'optional'. 

Well I think the problem is at this point Dark Fall seems to be more of what people would expect an ES mmo to play like than ESO. I am not talking about the sandbox elements or FFA PvP.

nonsense. Darkfall and MO are both PvP Focused MMO. TES isnt PvP focused, but totally PvE focused. Hey it didnt even have multiplayer to PvP. Darkfall has no Balance between PvP and PvE. thats why it fails. FFA ruins any and all MMO. Glad TESO's developers realized this.

  deathshroud

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5/05/12 10:44:50 PM#83
Originally posted by MMOExposed
Originally posted by Xzen
Originally posted by kingotnw
Originally posted by morlock9

Welcome to next week's headline across the gaming community.

Regardless of the state of the recently revealed game or its ability to stand on it's own as an MMO, the development team has departed significantly from the features that characterized previous Elder Scrolls games and has resulted in a backlash from the fan base.

With the leak of some detailed information on game play, many have begun to wonder if the title of Elder Scrolls Online should be replaced with something more fitting a traditional MMO "Based upon the lore of the Elder Scrolls Series".

At a time when most MMO's benifit from exciting announcments, ESO is already being heralded as a falure for lack of vision. This appears to be the most negatively received "reveal" in the history of the modern MMORPG.         
 

Makes no sense at all...

 

Final Fantasy Online games are far different than their console versions and there is tons of those game...

 

UO is very different from the crap ton of the offline Ultima Games...

 

WoW is different than the original Warcraft games...

 

...and on and on... It's an MMORPG. Certain features are not 'optional'. 

Well I think the problem is at this point Dark Fall seems to be more of what people would expect an ES mmo to play like than ESO. I am not talking about the sandbox elements or FFA PvP.

nonsense. Darkfall and MO are both PvP Focused MMO. TES isnt PvP focused, but totally PvE focused. Hey it didnt even have multiplayer to PvP. Darkfall has no Balance between PvP and PvE. thats why it fails. FFA ruins any and all MMO. Glad TESO's developers realized this.

 im still of the belief that its possible to balance PVP  and  PVE in an open world full loot mmo, with risk vs reward and instentives to be good. But both MO and DFO dont achieve that blaance. But that doesnt mean Its not possible.

there are 2 types of mmo, imitators and innovaters.

  Gdemami

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5/06/12 4:05:28 AM#84


Originally posted by Warmaker

"Not overly popular PC title thus the fanbase is rather small" - Are you serious?

Of course I am.

If you compare PC sales of Skyrim vs mainstream MMO customer base, it is indeed small. It is not that hard to pick which audience you focus on if you want to make an MMO.


While Skyrim reached indeed high sales, only about 15% are credited to PC platform. As I said before, it would be very different if TESO was released as a multi-platform MMO but it is not, therefore it is very understandable if they go for mainstream title.

  ice-vortex

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5/06/12 4:10:49 AM#85
Originally posted by MMOExposed

nonsense. Darkfall and MO are both PvP Focused MMO. TES isnt PvP focused, but totally PvE focused. Hey it didnt even have multiplayer to PvP. Darkfall has no Balance between PvP and PvE. thats why it fails. FFA ruins any and all MMO. Glad TESO's developers realized this.

 

What ruined Darkfall and Mortal Online was that they are the typical pure sandbox games developed by a small independent developer with little to no budget. It has nothing to do with them being PVP based or having FFA PVP.

 

Also, TES:O is PVP based, just on factions and not FFA.

  EverSkelly

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5/06/12 4:13:33 AM#86

I am happy and excited about the elderscrolls online. Will it be a good or bad game, we will see in the future.

 Why be dissapointed in advance? Saying "OMG please, no elder scrolls online" became popular really fast.

  Classicstar

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5/06/12 4:23:14 AM#87

Its an MMO with Elder Scroll STAMP on it thats all it has nothing to do with TES solo games.

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  Classicstar

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5/06/12 4:24:59 AM#88


Originally posted by MMOExposed


Originally posted by Xzen


Originally posted by kingotnw



Originally posted by morlock9

Welcome to next week's headline across the gaming community.

Regardless of the state of the recently revealed game or its ability to stand on it's own as an MMO, the development team has departed significantly from the features that characterized previous Elder Scrolls games and has resulted in a backlash from the fan base.

With the leak of some detailed information on game play, many have begun to wonder if the title of Elder Scrolls Online should be replaced with something more fitting a traditional MMO "Based upon the lore of the Elder Scrolls Series".

At a time when most MMO's benifit from exciting announcments, ESO is already being heralded as a falure for lack of vision. This appears to be the most negatively received "reveal" in the history of the modern MMORPG.         
 


Makes no sense at all...
 
Final Fantasy Online games are far different than their console versions and there is tons of those game...
 
UO is very different from the crap ton of the offline Ultima Games...
 
WoW is different than the original Warcraft games...
 
...and on and on... It's an MMORPG. Certain features are not 'optional'. 


Well I think the problem is at this point Dark Fall seems to be more of what people would expect an ES mmo to play like than ESO. I am not talking about the sandbox elements or FFA PvP.


nonsense. Darkfall and MO are both PvP Focused MMO. TES isnt PvP focused, but totally PvE focused. Hey it didnt even have multiplayer to PvP. Darkfall has no Balance between PvP and PvE. thats why it fails. FFA ruins any and all MMO. Glad TESO's developers realized this.

Says the one who hates sandbox in general lol.

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  gilgamesh42

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5/06/12 4:49:25 AM#89

they took away everything that made it elder scrolls without those things their game becomes the hallmark of  generic

fantasythemes the only thing its missng to make it the most generic thing since wow is dwarfs (which they'll probably add eventually)

these lazy developers keep going  back to the same copy and paste method (bioware, ZeniMax) while the guy there trying to copy (blizzard) is moving forward  with their new game but these dodo birds keep jumping off the cliff

  Chrome1980

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5/06/12 4:51:40 AM#90
Originally posted by gilgamesh42

they took away everything that made it elder scrolls without those things their game becomes the hallmark of  generic

fantasythemes the only thing its missng to make it the most generic thing since wow is dwarfs (which they'll probably add eventually)

these lazy developers keep going  back to the same copy and paste method (bioware, ZeniMax) while the guy there trying to copy (blizzard) is moving forward  with their new game but these dodo birds keep jumping off the cliff

Exaggerate some more please. 

  Vhaln

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5/06/12 5:01:17 AM#91
Originally posted by Gdemami

 

The "true TES MMO" is there already, it is called Darkfall. You hate it too? Well, you only got what you asked for.

 

If Darkfall were a AAA MMO that wasn't FFA PvP.. it'd be a completely different game.

When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.

  gilgamesh42

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5/06/12 5:03:38 AM#92
Originally posted by Chrome1980
Originally posted by gilgamesh42

they took away everything that made it elder scrolls without those things their game becomes the hallmark of  generic

fantasythemes the only thing its missng to make it the most generic thing since wow is dwarfs (which they'll probably add eventually)

these lazy developers keep going  back to the same copy and paste method (bioware, ZeniMax) while the guy there trying to copy (blizzard) is moving forward  with their new game but these dodo birds keep jumping off the cliff

Exaggerate some more please. 

exaggerate? based on current information no,no i did not

  UtukuMoon

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5/06/12 5:11:27 AM#93
Originally posted by Vorthanion
Originally posted by morlock9

Welcome to next week's headline across the gaming community.

Regardless of the state of the recently revealed game or its ability to stand on it's own as an MMO, the development team has departed significantly from the features that characterized previous Elder Scrolls games and has resulted in a backlash from the fan base.

With the leak of some detailed information on game play, many have begun to wonder if the title of Elder Scrolls Online should be replaced with something more fitting a traditional MMO "Based upon the lore of the Elder Scrolls Series".

At a time when most MMO's benifit from exciting announcments, ESO is already being heralded as a falure for lack of vision. This appears to be the most negatively received "reveal" in the history of the modern MMORPG.         
 

...and you're basing that on the responses from the boards on this website?  No surprise there, knowing that many of the lurkers here are devoted to sandbox / action games.  I don't see much if any negativity on other websites in regards to the release, with exception to MMORPG.com as usual.

I agree,its mostly on this site and a few on the mainm TES site.Funny thing is all these people on this site complaining will play the game,curiosity will get the better of them.

For those that have a problem,dont play the game,its as simple as that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8ymgFyzbDo

  Chrome1980

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5/06/12 5:17:32 AM#94
Originally posted by gilgamesh42
Originally posted by Chrome1980
Originally posted by gilgamesh42

they took away everything that made it elder scrolls without those things their game becomes the hallmark of  generic

fantasythemes the only thing its missng to make it the most generic thing since wow is dwarfs (which they'll probably add eventually)

these lazy developers keep going  back to the same copy and paste method (bioware, ZeniMax) while the guy there trying to copy (blizzard) is moving forward  with their new game but these dodo birds keep jumping off the cliff

Exaggerate some more please. 

exaggerate? based on current information no,no i did not

Yes you are exaggerating. I too have read the features list....

Open dungeons feature of tes feature of teso
Just wander off and find objectives, secret places, quests etc. feature of tes feature of teso
Levels feature of both games
Theif, mage, fighter guilds & dark brotherhood to join feature of both games
Star sign stones - feature of both games
Blocking / sprinting & stamina bar in combat - feature of both games
Soul stones and enchanting - feature of both games
Huge world - feature of both games

Non linear gampe play and world design feature of both games.

So nope not EVERYTHING is removed from TESO.

  uohaloran

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5/06/12 5:17:36 AM#95

It's a really overt cash in, I think.  The only way we know it's Elder Scrolls is because we've been told it's Elder Scrolls.  I'll be incredibly surprised if they're able to change that by launch, but I'm doubting it.

There isn't enough traditional Elder Scrolls to attract those fans and there probably wont be enough of a deviation from standard MMO fare for a fan of the genre to care about.

They'll keep drivin' the genre like a stake into the dirt, though.  It'll be homogenized with every other genre before too long and what we *almost* had will never have the possibility to exist again.

  Ranyr

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5/06/12 5:24:02 AM#96

After playing Tera, pretty sure hotbar/tab target mmos are finished for me.

  k-damage

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5/06/12 5:37:11 AM#97
Originally posted by deathshroud

they should split up the mmorpg genre into 2 genres, MMORPG'S and WOW'S, So next time they are gonig to announce a new mmo they can say, "

 

hey guys were all pumped because were about to reveal our exciting new ip, An Elder Scrolls WOW"

 

That 1 line would instantly let the community know if they want to follow the game or not in 1 sentence.

Haha, yes. Actually, for studios to get the message, I wish some review blogs like Kotaku would do that.

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  busdriver

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5/06/12 5:40:40 AM#98
Originally posted by Loktofeit

It's predictable, sad and ridiculous.

 

It's you who is sad and ridiculous. You keep pissing on your own gaming genre by bending over, grabbing your ankles and accepting every shit product they decide to shove up your ass.

There's a good reason why growing number of gamers think that MMORPG is synonymous with shit. You, and the likes of you, make sure it stays that way.

  Loke666

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5/06/12 5:48:09 AM#99
Originally posted by colddog04

I blame SWTOR.

Uhm, they started making ESO just a year after Bioware started on TOR and the mechanics of TOR was a secret for the first 2 years of ESOs development.

So unless Bethesda actually had spies in Bioware there is no chanse they taken that much from TOR.

Nah, the problem is that they did put one of the DaoC creators in charge, and he put the work into PvP instead of making a PvE sandbox as the singleplayer games are. I am sure he gets the PvP right but he kinda misseed the point that Bethesdas fans are a different breed of players.

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5/06/12 5:55:11 AM#100
Originally posted by Chrome1980
Open dungeons feature of tes feature of teso

Just wander off and find objectives, secret places, quests etc. feature of tes feature of teso
Levels feature of both games
Theif, mage, fighter guilds & dark brotherhood to join feature of both games
Star sign stones - feature of both games
Blocking / sprinting & stamina bar in combat - feature of both games
Soul stones and enchanting - feature of both games
Huge world - feature of both games

Non linear gampe play and world design feature of both games.

So nope not EVERYTHING is removed from TESO.

Don't cloud the issue with facts.

 

Spoiler: This is meant as a joke.

 

We want to do a pre-emptive hate-bomb to express our feelings of hurt and grief over SWTOR.

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