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  Warmaker

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5/05/12 10:31:51 AM#61
Originally posted by Gdemami

 


Originally posted by Warmaker

This game is going to be aimed squarely at non-TES fans.  It sounds ridiculously stupid,


 

Does it?

To transform "TES features" into MMO would create something like Darkfall - not very successful title.
TES series is not overly popular PC title thus the fanbase is rather small - not very promising customer base.

etc.
etc.

There are simply more reasons why not to make the game for "TES fans" rather then for them.

Name me some RPG franchises that have been going consistently strong since at least the mid-1990s.

"The Elder Scrolls" will be among the very, very small list.  "Not overly popular PC title thus the fanbase is rather small" - Are you serious?  It is one of the strongest, longest-running RPG franchises there are on the PC platform.  It came out in the 1990s, a time rich with great RPGs on the PC, and out of them all, it is the ONLY one still running strong, and it has gotten stronger in its fanbase as time progressed.

If you got a list of great RPG franchises, I guarantee you TES will be among them.  Guaranteed.  It has a long-running, loyal fanbase that has gotten larger.  If that's not enough reasons to actually cater a TESO game for, I don't know what is.

Pissing off your own large fanbase is idiotic.  Something George Lucas has been doing since he's lost his touch.

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  jtcgs

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5/05/12 10:36:51 AM#62
Originally posted by Gdemami

 


Originally posted by Warmaker

This game is going to be aimed squarely at non-TES fans.  It sounds ridiculously stupid,


 

Does it?

To transform "TES features" into MMO would create something like Darkfall - not very successful title.
TES series is not overly popular PC title thus the fanbase is rather small - not very promising customer base.

etc.
etc.

There are simply more reasons why not to make the game for "TES fans" rather then for them.

Wait, did you just say that Marrowind, Oblivion and Skyrim, the 3 BEST SELLING PC RPG games of all time is not overly popular?

ROFLMAO...I bet you said that because your first ES game was Skyrim on the 360...

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  NomadMorlock

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Posts: 440

 
OP  5/05/12 10:49:58 AM#63
Originally posted by Chrome1980
Originally posted by morlock9

Welcome to next week's headline across the gaming community.

Regardless of the state of the recently revealed game or its ability to stand on it's own as an MMO, the development team has departed significantly from the features that characterized previous Elder Scrolls games and has resulted in a backlash from the fan base.

With the leak of some detailed information on game play, many have begun to wonder if the title of Elder Scrolls Online should be replaced with something more fitting a traditional MMO "Based upon the lore of the Elder Scrolls Series".

At a time when most MMO's benifit from exciting announcments, ESO is already being heralded as a falure for lack of vision. This appears to be the most negatively received "reveal" in the history of the modern MMORPG.         
 

This website does not represent gaming community world wide and more over these forums are know for this kind of stuff. No surprise there.

Actually this isn't in reference to this site.  It is in reference to the reaction on the New Elder Scrolls Online Forums below:

 

http://forums.bethsoft.com/forum/190-elder-scrolls-online-general-discussion/

  Loktofeit

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5/05/12 10:56:10 AM#64
Originally posted by morlock9
Originally posted by Vorthanion
Originally posted by morlock9

Welcome to next week's headline across the gaming community.

Regardless of the state of the recently revealed game or its ability to stand on it's own as an MMO, the development team has departed significantly from the features that characterized previous Elder Scrolls games and has resulted in a backlash from the fan base.

With the leak of some detailed information on game play, many have begun to wonder if the title of Elder Scrolls Online should be replaced with something more fitting a traditional MMO "Based upon the lore of the Elder Scrolls Series".

At a time when most MMO's benifit from exciting announcments, ESO is already being heralded as a falure for lack of vision. This appears to be the most negatively received "reveal" in the history of the modern MMORPG.         
 

...and you're basing that on the responses from the boards on this website?  No surprise there, knowing that many of the lurkers here are devoted to sandbox / action games.  I don't see much if any negativity on other websites in regards to the release, with exception to MMORPG.com as usual.

Actually you should view the Bethesda Forums for the Elder Scrolls Online

 

http://forums.bethsoft.com/forum/190-elder-scrolls-online-general-discussion/

The first reply to your 'headline' thread over there pretty much nailed it.

http://forums.bethsoft.com/topic/1371958-headline-eso-the-most-negatively-received-reveal-in-mmorpg-history/page__view__findpost__p__20732051

"This is a MMO, it is going to be made like an MMO, this game is made for people who like MMO's and enjoy playing MMO's. This game is not nor will not be catered to the small yet loud minority of people who dont like MMO's and basically want a multiplayer skyrim "

 

As for here... the crowd here is so jaded and negative that it makes the old VNBoards look like a hiipie lovefest.

hero engine FAIL

the feautre I want is nothrrere FAIL

graphics style not what I want FAIL

It's predictable, sad and ridiculous.

 

  NomadMorlock

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Joined: 12/09/07
Posts: 440

 
OP  5/05/12 10:57:17 AM#65
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by morlock9
Originally posted by Vorthanion
Originally posted by morlock9

Welcome to next week's headline across the gaming community.

Regardless of the state of the recently revealed game or its ability to stand on it's own as an MMO, the development team has departed significantly from the features that characterized previous Elder Scrolls games and has resulted in a backlash from the fan base.

With the leak of some detailed information on game play, many have begun to wonder if the title of Elder Scrolls Online should be replaced with something more fitting a traditional MMO "Based upon the lore of the Elder Scrolls Series".

At a time when most MMO's benifit from exciting announcments, ESO is already being heralded as a falure for lack of vision. This appears to be the most negatively received "reveal" in the history of the modern MMORPG.         
 

...and you're basing that on the responses from the boards on this website?  No surprise there, knowing that many of the lurkers here are devoted to sandbox / action games.  I don't see much if any negativity on other websites in regards to the release, with exception to MMORPG.com as usual.

Actually you should view the Bethesda Forums for the Elder Scrolls Online

 

http://forums.bethsoft.com/forum/190-elder-scrolls-online-general-discussion/

The first reply to your 'headline' thread over there pretty much nailed it.

http://forums.bethsoft.com/topic/1371958-headline-eso-the-most-negatively-received-reveal-in-mmorpg-history/page__view__findpost__p__20732051

"This is a MMO, it is going to be made like an MMO, this game is made for people who like MMO's and enjoy playing MMO's. This game is not nor will not be catered to the small yet loud minority of people who dont like MMO's and basically want a multiplayer skyrim "

 

As for here... the crowd here is so jaded and negative that it makes the old VNBoards look like a hiipie lovefest.

hero engine FAIL

the feautre I want is nothrrere FAIL

graphics style not what I want FAIL

It's predictable, sad and ridiculous.

 

And you ignore the fact that it is lacking in every feature which made these games sucessful in the past?

  Classicstar

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5/05/12 10:58:49 AM#66

Ill repeat the obvious again if all rumors are true don't buy THE GAME and believe me they will be HURT the most.

Wallet with $ or € is very powerful TOOL.

Solution to this problem if thats case is so simple don't understand why you all so upset realy?

We don't even know if they continuing the SOLO series?

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  Soandsoso

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5/05/12 10:59:43 AM#67

Its par for the course at this site.

 

All the cool kids come here to bash every game and then giggle to themselves.

 

I am surprised any game company gives this site any time.

  Uhwop

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Joined: 3/20/10
Posts: 1617

5/05/12 11:27:48 AM#68

Im sorry I've gotta say it.

The like, half dozen guys on these forums, that think it would be ok for TESO to be made into an MMO like the "leak" says it will be, are not the fans of ES that have been waiting for an ES game.

These guys are the people that, if the leak is real, TESO would be aimed at.  They don't care what the game is, only that it's an ES game.  They would be perfectly happy to buy it if ZO made an exact copy of WoW and called it TESO. 

 

Now compare the number of people saying they aren't happy with the prospect of TESO releasing like any other generic EQ/ WoW formula MMO with a touch of DAoC thrown in, and ask yourself "what group should the game be geared at?"

 

Anyone who thinks that it's just the forums here that are in uproar, are living in an entirely other universe.  Every forum were people are discussign this is primarilly people yelling, "WTF! Beth?" with 2 or 3 other people going, "I don't understand, it sounds great."   The fans of ES are rather upset, denying that is beyond irrational; every forum looks exactly like this one here.

 

The funny part is, the past few day have clearly demonstrated that some people would be willing to pay for anything, just because of a name. 

 

I'll wait until they release official info, and just lauph at this for the time being.  If it's true, then I'll thank Weaver for putting a lawyer in charge of the company.

  jtcgs

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5/05/12 11:38:15 AM#69
Originally posted by Classicstar

Ill repeat the obvious again if all rumors are true don't buy THE GAME and believe me they will be HURT the most.

Wallet with $ or € is very powerful TOOL.

Solution to this problem if thats case is so simple don't understand why you all so upset realy?

We don't even know if they continuing the SOLO series?

It could be because some of us, like myself have been beta testing games going back to the mid 90s and remember what it was like before kiddies got into open massive betas.

Back in the day, when beta testing was CLOSED to those that worked for the company, knew those in the company or passed through a hard beta test application we could actually HELP GUIDE the development in the game by talking to those making it about what we like, what we think the game needs, where it needs improvement.

Today, by the time Beta 1 starts the devs are locked into everything they want in the game and ignore for the most part what the beta testers say thanks to kiddies destroying the forum with "Its only beta" "give them a chance" or hey im just going to troll everyone that has anything to say about the game that doesnt look like kissing the backsides of the makers.

Today, you guys just roll over and accept an entire game of MEH as if you have no voice and no choice...and worst yet, are those that tell people who are talking about things in a game that THEY like and still tell them there is no point.

Actually, there is no point in YOU saying anything if you are not HELPING make the players voices heard.

Either support the person requesting or leave it alone, you are only making the entire genre worse by siderailing those trying to get companies to IMPROVE the games.

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  Banquetto

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5/05/12 6:32:55 PM#70


Originally posted by jusomdude
Yeah, isn't it funny how people wanted an Elder Scrolls MMO and they go ahead and make an Eldercraft MMO? Doesn't take a genius to see why people are complaining. If you don't like being part of the gaming community then go ahead and leave. No one will miss you and your high horse.
People complain about things they don't like. Get used to it or get lost.


They made an "Eldercraft MMO" on your planet? Interesting. On my planet, people wanted an Elder Scrolls MMO, and an Elder Scrolls MMO was announced, with virtually zero detail so far. Then a bunch of whining little brats seized on the handful of sentences of information, decreed that this was going to be a terrible, terrible WoW clone, and proceeded to roll about on the floor, red-faced, throwing a crying and screaming tantrum that any two-year-old would be proud of.

  MMOExposed

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5/05/12 7:56:37 PM#71
Originally posted by kingotnw
Originally posted by morlock9

Welcome to next week's headline across the gaming community.

Regardless of the state of the recently revealed game or its ability to stand on it's own as an MMO, the development team has departed significantly from the features that characterized previous Elder Scrolls games and has resulted in a backlash from the fan base.

With the leak of some detailed information on game play, many have begun to wonder if the title of Elder Scrolls Online should be replaced with something more fitting a traditional MMO "Based upon the lore of the Elder Scrolls Series".

At a time when most MMO's benifit from exciting announcments, ESO is already being heralded as a falure for lack of vision. This appears to be the most negatively received "reveal" in the history of the modern MMORPG.         
 

Makes no sense at all...

 

Final Fantasy Online games are far different than their console versions and there is tons of those game...

 

UO is very different from the crap ton of the offline Ultima Games...

 

WoW is different than the original Warcraft games...

 

...and on and on... It's an MMORPG. Certain features are not 'optional'. 

you mind saying this again?

  GN-003

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5/05/12 7:56:56 PM#72
Originally posted by Gdemami

 


Originally posted by Warmaker

This game is going to be aimed squarely at non-TES fans.  It sounds ridiculously stupid,


 

Does it?

To transform "TES features" into MMO would create something like Darkfall - not very successful title.
TES series is not overly popular PC title thus the fanbase is rather small - not very promising customer base.

etc.
etc.

There are simply more reasons why not to make the game for "TES fans" rather then for them.

What on earth are you going on about? Skyrim is the fastest selling title in Steam's history. It outsold all Steam games three-to-one in its first month. As of today, Skyrim is the third most played game on Steam behind TF 2 and DOTA 2 (which are both multiplayer games.) The Elder Scrolls also has a massive modding community. So no, the PC userbase is NOT small.

  Ambros123

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5/05/12 8:03:20 PM#73
Originally posted by Gdemami

 


Originally posted by Warmaker

This game is going to be aimed squarely at non-TES fans.  It sounds ridiculously stupid,


 

Does it?

To transform "TES features" into MMO would create something like Darkfall - not very successful title.
TES series is not overly popular PC title thus the fanbase is rather small - not very promising customer base.

etc.
etc.

There are simply more reasons why not to make the game for "TES fans" rather then for them.

You gonna share what your smoking?  Must be some REALLY good shit if it made you make that ridiculous statement.

  Vorthanion

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5/05/12 8:06:28 PM#74
Originally posted by Uhwop

Im sorry I've gotta say it.

The like, half dozen guys on these forums, that think it would be ok for TESO to be made into an MMO like the "leak" says it will be, are not the fans of ES that have been waiting for an ES game.

These guys are the people that, if the leak is real, TESO would be aimed at.  They don't care what the game is, only that it's an ES game.  They would be perfectly happy to buy it if ZO made an exact copy of WoW and called it TESO. 

 

Now compare the number of people saying they aren't happy with the prospect of TESO releasing like any other generic EQ/ WoW formula MMO with a touch of DAoC thrown in, and ask yourself "what group should the game be geared at?"

 

Anyone who thinks that it's just the forums here that are in uproar, are living in an entirely other universe.  Every forum were people are discussign this is primarilly people yelling, "WTF! Beth?" with 2 or 3 other people going, "I don't understand, it sounds great."   The fans of ES are rather upset, denying that is beyond irrational; every forum looks exactly like this one here.

 

The funny part is, the past few day have clearly demonstrated that some people would be willing to pay for anything, just because of a name. 

 

I'll wait until they release official info, and just lauph at this for the time being.  If it's true, then I'll thank Weaver for putting a lawyer in charge of the company.

Since when has any forum been recognized as representing the majority of the MMO player base?  I don't care if you add up alll the whiners from the dozen or so websites, they still wouldn't amount to a hill of beans.

  killion81

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5/05/12 8:06:33 PM#75
  caremuchless

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Whether you believe you can or believe you cannot, you are right.

5/05/12 8:08:05 PM#76
Originally posted by Sinaku

"Let me put it this way...

You found some cheese, and it was AWESOME.
So you were given another type of cheese, and it was good too.
And another type of cheese, and it was pretty good.
And another.
And antoher.
And another.
And now you're kinda getting tired of cheese, you'd like some other kind of food.
Well, this AWESOME bread company known for their ab-so-lute-ly DELICIOUS types of fancy bread has come to you, and you're like, "SWEET, BREAD!". But they offer you a sample from their new cheese line.


This is how we feel. We wanted something that's not cheese, and the bread guys showed up. We got excited, but were let down when they offered more cheese"

Best quote I have read from the Bethesda TESO forum haha

Perfect

  Vorthanion

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5/05/12 8:09:48 PM#77
Originally posted by killion81

Elder Scrolls Online pretty much summed up in their marketing catch phrase.  Yeah, they sure 'get it'.

Along with Cyrodiil and parts of Elswyr, what's your point?

  k-damage

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5/05/12 8:22:40 PM#78

This is just crazy to see the third big budget mmo trying to follow shamelessly the exact path of WoW. I'm happy to see gamers all over the world raging back at Bethesda. Studios really need to stop going the milking route. Or even stop thinking gamers are stupid enough to eat the same food for a decade.

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  greyed-out

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5/05/12 9:33:06 PM#79
Originally posted by Classicstar

Ill repeat the obvious again if all rumors are true don't buy THE GAME and believe me they will be HURT the most.

Wallet with $ or € is very powerful TOOL.

Solution to this problem if thats case is so simple don't understand why you all so upset realy?

We don't even know if they continuing the SOLO series?

The answer as you suggest is easy.  Its the self-control of the game-buying masses that's the hard part.  Come on we all know it; 95% of the people who are disappointed with Dark World of Scrolls Craft: The Elder Republic will buy the game anyway for their 30-60 day new MMO fix.  It's just how the mmorpg genre operates and until the masses stop this behavior, studios have zero incentive to offer even an ounce of creativity and originality to the genre.

  deathshroud

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5/05/12 9:49:31 PM#80

they should split up the mmorpg genre into 2 genres, MMORPG'S and WOW'S, So next time they are gonig to announce a new mmo they can say, "

 

hey guys were all pumped because were about to reveal our exciting new ip, An Elder Scrolls WOW"

 

That 1 line would instantly let the community know if they want to follow the game or not in 1 sentence.

there are 2 types of mmo, imitators and innovaters.

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