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  Coldren

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5/04/12 1:33:47 PM#21
Originally posted by mindw0rk

 I mean levels and hotbars? What the heck!?

 

Every ES game I can remember has levels. It's how you GET those levels that varied, and wasn't really a class-based method. Sure you could pick one, but could raise any skills you wanted to raise your levels.

Free-from skill combinations, a-la UO, are the biggest disappointment for me.

But I've said it before, I'll say it again (And will probably start a thread about it), at worse, it's DAoC 2 in TES universe. I can live with that.

  Ryukan

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5/04/12 1:36:23 PM#22

After reading details about various gameplay elements which are floating around the net, I have no interest in it. The MMO will be missing key components that I like about the Elder Scrolls games and I am not interested in another fairly formulaic fantasy MMORPG.

  troublmaker

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5/04/12 1:40:11 PM#23

Every single Elder Scrolls game that has come out has seen larger and larger sales.  Elder Scrolls series doesn't have a fan base.  The number of people who have played from Arena to Skyrim are under the 90,000 range.

This can be compared to say Modern Warfare which has had pretty stable sales with no increases or decreases.

This distinction is important because it tells you something important, people who play Modern Warfare are loyal to the modern warfare BRAND.  People who play Elder Scrolls games however are not loyal to Elder Scrolls, they are just buying a highly anticipated game.  There are some that carried over from each game but not really the massive amount that you see with Modern Warfare.

A lot of people who bought Skyrim will no doubt buy Elder Scrolls Online.  But not all of them.  What will be required to get all of the Elder Scrolls people (and the generic MMO buying community) will be a great game.  It doesn't have to be a revolutionary MMO it just has to be a really really great game.

Here's the kicker, if it's not a really really great game Bethesda will lose a very large audience.  I know Zenimax Studios Online is making this but it comes with consent and direction from Bethesda Softworks.  If this game really sucks it is going to seriously hurt the reputation of Bethesda.  On top oft hat Bethesda is known for having a very open world experience.  I don't want to say 'sandbox' because it's not but it more of a personalized adventure than anything else out there.

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  Trollsighted

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5/04/12 1:43:03 PM#24

Yes, i will be playing it, but i am alarmed about trolls. They are getting more and more hungry. So i'm going to start saving for this game and a tranquilizer gun for the trolls. The are coming out of hiding, we need to return them to the woods. Back on topic time will tell if those hating the idea of a TES online will play the game. I for one will try it most likely.

  apocoluster

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5/04/12 1:45:12 PM#25

  ill play it, ill play anything and pretty much have

 

Lol @ the dude below me..he is sooo right

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  slickbizzle

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5/04/12 1:45:22 PM#26

People will pay $60 for this MMO just so they can sit in the starter areas saying they don't like it and how the game they currently play is so much better. 

 

  User Deleted
5/04/12 1:48:01 PM#27
Originally posted by troublmaker

 

 I know Zenimax Studios Online is making this but it comes with consent and direction from Bethesda Softworks.

 

Do you have a source for this?  I'd like to read it.

  User Deleted
5/04/12 1:48:43 PM#28

too soon to decide anything.

Need to see what they gonna implement first.. but  the use of Hero Engine.. worries me.

  Nethermancer

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5/04/12 1:53:40 PM#29

I am a huge ES fan but there is no way ill play this if its just a run of the mill WoW style mmo.

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  Vesavius

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5/04/12 1:54:07 PM#30
Originally posted by Evolution8

I for one am really looking forward to this, have been for years, but all the negative feedback is overwhelming, even though a large part of the ES fanbase disapproves of this game, will you still play it? I honestly think even though the fanbase is a bit in denial, they will still play it, therefore this game will be a success no matter what happens, anyone else agree?

 

All I can say is I know it's truthfully fallen off my follow list.

I have no axe to grind about it, or campaign to wage, it just dosen't appeal to me from the feature's list.

I am just done with gear/ lvl based PvP and raids. neither of these are attractive to me anymore.

I really cannot see how this game will stand up to the appeal and feature list of Archeage tbh. Both look likely for next year (maybe) and that could put them right up each other.

 

Ready to wage the TES vs AA fan wars everyone? ;)

  Galadourn

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5/04/12 1:57:55 PM#31

Based on the, admittedly, very little info that leaked it looks like I'll be passing on this one.

My main gripes with the game:

1) tab-target combat; I'm sorry but we are in 2012 and any MMO that wants to replace WoW in its throne must do better. MUCH better.

2) HERO engine. Apparently there is a cap to what HERO engine can do in terms of visuals. If the game  world is anything less than Skyrim-quality, then one of the main features I enjoy in ES games, exploration, will be lost. I can spend literally hours in Skyrim just wandering about, enjoying the landscapes. The few pictures that leaked reminded me of SWTOR and Rift. And these are games that are, well, "bland" visually.

3) No housing? c'mon, seriously.

 

I can live with the classes and no jack-of-all-trades character building approach, but the three above are really unacceptable for a TES game.

 

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  Silverbarr

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5/04/12 2:01:57 PM#32
Originally posted by Galadourn

2) HERO engine. Apparently there is a cap to what HERO engine can do in terms of visuals. If the game  world is anything less than Skyrim-quality, then one of the main features I enjoy in ES games, exploration, will be lost. I can spend literally hours in Skyrim just wandering about, enjoying the landscapes. The few pictures that leaked reminded me of SWTOR and Rift. And these are games that are, well, "bland" visually.

There will be many. many years before ANY MMO can have Skyrim-esque graphics, if you know a game that is currently available that does have such capabilties I would love to see it :)

 

Also, something everyone seems to forget about TES is that there were classes... until Skyrim ;) yes levelling was skill-based, but classes were an integral part of TES lore and games until Skyrim was released.

 

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  Teala

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5/04/12 2:04:33 PM#33

We know next to nothing about the game yet.  What type of combat system does it have?  Is there crafting?  What will the PvP be like?   How big is the game world.  How can anyone possibly judge a game when so very little information, other than it is being made with the Hero Engine and might be a themepark based gam.   We really do not know a lot about it.

  Xzen

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5/04/12 2:06:38 PM#34
Originally posted by Teala

We know next to nothing about the game yet.  What type of combat system does it have?  Is there crafting?  What will the PvP be like?   How big is the game world.  How can anyone possibly judge a game when so very little information, other than it is being made with the Hero Engine and might be a themepark based gam.   We really do not know a lot about it.

The info is already leaked and scans of the article about it are all over the internet. It is a themepark.

  PyrateLV

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5/04/12 2:10:07 PM#35
Originally posted by Teala

We know next to nothing about the game yet.  What type of combat system does it have?  Is there crafting?  What will the PvP be like?   How big is the game world.  How can anyone possibly judge a game when so very little information, other than it is being made with the Hero Engine and might be a themepark based gam.   We really do not know a lot about it.

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  Drakxii

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5/04/12 2:10:57 PM#36

I have bought  morrowind, oblivion, and skyrim but seeing as ESO aiming to be yet another themepark MMO, I won't play it unless it's basically the best themepark game ever.(better then WoW BC era) Thought had it teied to be at all sandparky I would have bought it without a thought.

 

I will not play a game with a cash shop ever again. A dev job should be to make the game better not make me pay so it sucks less.

  Silverbarr

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5/04/12 2:12:18 PM#37
Originally posted by Xzen
Originally posted by Teala

We know next to nothing about the game yet.  What type of combat system does it have?  Is there crafting?  What will the PvP be like?   How big is the game world.  How can anyone possibly judge a game when so very little information, other than it is being made with the Hero Engine and might be a themepark based gam.   We really do not know a lot about it.

The info is already leaked and scans of the article about it are all over the internet. It is a themepark.

"The in-game world will feature the entire environments from Skyrim to Morrowind, however the map will not be entirely open for exploration, as certain areas are planned to be used for future expansions. Cyrodiil will make for the main capital of the raging war, where players can engage in endgame PvP."

 

I'm not entirely sure that means Themepark to be honest, sounds more like open-world? Will wait and see when more information becomes available though. Sure it says it's "not entirely open for exploration" but it might not necessarily mean funneled gameplay... at least I hope haha.

 

M

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  severius

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5/04/12 2:17:17 PM#38

Without user mods and user made content I really don't see this game being all that special.  Arena the Elder Scrolls was something different and unique.  Since then they have refined and simplified the formula while taking away from the core game.  There can be no argument, I believe, that Bethesda creates beautiful full worlds with lots of nifty stuff in different corners.  That is where their skills end tho, imo.  Without the user community, without the user generated content you are left with a mediocre game with some of the most horribad controls and character animations that have been seen since 1998.  I see an epic fail coming from BethSoft as far as we the gamers are concerned and a windfall for bethesda because a whole slew of people will buy it and then cancel a couple months in.

 


  Sovrath

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5/04/12 2:18:39 PM#39
Originally posted by Galadourn

Based on the, admittedly, very little info that leaked it looks like I'll be passing on this one.

My main gripes with the game:

1) tab-target combat; I'm sorry but we are in 2012 and any MMO that wants to replace WoW in its throne must do better. MUCH better.

2) HERO engine. Apparently there is a cap to what HERO engine can do in terms of visuals. If the game  world is anything less than Skyrim-quality, then one of the main features I enjoy in ES games, exploration, will be lost. I can spend literally hours in Skyrim just wandering about, enjoying the landscapes. The few pictures that leaked reminded me of SWTOR and Rift. And these are games that are, well, "bland" visually.

3) No housing? c'mon, seriously.

 I can live with the classes and no jack-of-all-trades character building approach, but the three above are really unacceptable for a TES game.

 I hate to say this but your listed concerns dont' really hold much water. Well, other than they are your concerns of course.

"Tab" targettnig, while some people dont' like it, is not antiquated. It's just another type of targetting. Reticule targeting in games has been around for a long time. Maybe not in mmo's but in other games. There are even people who like tab targetting because it makes the combat about something else other than twitch. I know this is hard to fathom but not everyone is cabable of twitch combat. As a point of note, I'm currently playing Tera and lovign it. I have nothign but good things to say about the targetted combat. This still doesn't mean that I can't jump into a tab target game and enjoy myself.

While I"m dissapointed at the 100 vs 100 battles for keeps, I have to say you are way off in your assessment fo "Skyrim Level graphics".

I can't name one game (and yes I'm thinking of AoC and even Tera to a certain extent) that has Skyrim level graphics. In Tera's beta they ran a stress test event where as many players thta cuold come could participate in an invasion of the main city.

Now, I'm running a veyr good rig and I still had to turn my graphhics down to even hope to participate. Tera's "graphics" (not talking art design) are not as good as skyrim's graphics. Sorry but we are not there yet.

As far as the housing, I think people are not really looking deeper into the meaning. Sadly this doesn't surprise me.

It's not that they can't put housing in. I repeat: IT'S NOT THAT THEY CAN'T PUT HOUSING IN.

It's that in order to put housing into the game in a way that elders scrolls players have have been used to; i.e. having their own house, is just too difficult to manage in a game where thousands of players are going to want their own plots. And of course that leaves the thousands of players who have their own plots and then intermittently leave the game thus leaving huge empty graveyards of houses.

Of course they could have adopted the EQ2 or LOTRO mode of doing it but that would have resulted in an equal number of screams.

I'm as much dissapointed in the directoin they took this game but it's not that their explanations don't make sense. They do. What they've done is taken the elderscrolls games and converted them to mmo sensibilities. Part of this makes sense because these games cost so much to make they have to make their money back. And part of it is that some things just don't work in an mmo settting.

But this is not a surprise to me. I've always suspected that any Elderscrolls game turned mmo was going to suffer in the translation.

 

  severius

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5/04/12 2:22:58 PM#40
Originally posted by PyrateLV
Originally posted by Teala

We know next to nothing about the game yet.  What type of combat system does it have?  Is there crafting?  What will the PvP be like?   How big is the game world.  How can anyone possibly judge a game when so very little information, other than it is being made with the Hero Engine and might be a themepark based gam.   We really do not know a lot about it.

Whats in. Whats out

http://d27vj430nutdmd.cloudfront.net/10122/110334/6c166b64177fa06acae01a9c48f98ce43d30e586.pdf

Wow, that PDF doesn't really do a lot to make people feel warm and fuzzy.  Stealth is in but "still working on the form"?  Player housing is too "hard" to do?  No fast travel, but hey they are going to do full voice overs!  Yay?  I smell something and it ain't teen spirit :D


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