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  Nethermancer

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5/04/12 12:45:39 PM#21

Bathesda is owned by a big company

that big company has set up a studio serperate from Batehsda to make a trash MMO using the Elder scrolls name to try and suck some more money from the fame that skyrim had.

Dont blame Bathesda

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  VassagoMael

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5/04/12 12:54:51 PM#22
Originally posted by Tranquilliti

So much for "elder scrolls games are unique and special" and all this rubbish, I have been an elder scrolls fan since Morrowind but this is just ridiculous. Incase you haven't read the magazine scans (pm me) I will tell you all now this is an absolute peice of junk themepark, a bigger wow clone then SWTOR.  I was honestly hoping for a sandbox game, or atleast something special and unique. I was even joking with a few mates that this game could be a wow clone, but I never expected a wow clone with "Modern MMO improvements". It sounds like they stole guild wars 2 three side pvp, but instead of it being world vs world vs world it is faction vs faction vs faction. Also heroic instanced raids are mentioned, so this will be another end game raiding for gear trashbox. It's funny how I actually expected bethseda to do something unique and special, maybe make the Ultima online 2 (ultimate sandbox) the gaming world needs so badly, I should of known after skyrim all bethseda care about is money. It's now quite clear the last hope of a full loot decent sandbox is embersofcaerus, but hopefully Archeage (themepark game with sandbox elements) will educated more people about sandbox games enough for themeparks to atleast get player housing and some more customisation in the future. 

 

 

EDIT: I am not trolling, giving out the links will get me banned and my thread removed like everybody else who has done it. You will all read for yourselfs when Gameinformer comes out. 

Wow you've been a fan since Morrowind! Crazy! That puts you in line with 90% of the people who play ES games! 

 

I'll reserve my initial judgement of the game for when it at least has a firm release date (same as GW2) and I suggest the rest of you do the same. However, I expect you to just keep flopping about like a speared fish on your keyboard so carry on.

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  GrumpyMel2

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5/04/12 12:56:20 PM#23

Ouch...just read the article myself....pass. I'm not interested in playing a game that bares absolutely no relation to TES, series other then the brand name and the skin.

I get that you have to make some changes in order to translate something into an MMO format....but there should be at least some minimal effort to capture the SPIRIT of the series you are representing....from what I've read so far, this game has none.

It's if they took a Quarter-Pounder with Cheese, replaced the graphic on the carton with a lobster claw and are selling it under the name "Lobster Meal". Sorry changing the packaging doesn't turn a burger into seafood.

 

  VassagoMael

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5/04/12 12:59:29 PM#24
Originally posted by GrumpyMel2

 

It's if they took a Quarter-Pounder with Cheese, replaced the graphic on the carton with a lobster claw and are selling it under the name "Lobster Meal". Sorry changing the packaging doesn't turn a burger into seafood.

 

That might be the worst metaphor ever.

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  Wolvards

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5/04/12 1:04:50 PM#25

When the OP said they took 3 faction PvP from GW2 i laughed a little. Maybe you should do some research bud, GW2 is about a decade behind on 3 faction PvP. And guess who first created it? OMG!?!?! The director of TESO, imagine that... He made it once, it worked, lets do it again. I kind of like the reference someone else posted on here though, keep flopping like a speared fish on you keyboard  Thats a good one.

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  WhiteLantern

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5/04/12 1:09:26 PM#26
Originally posted by GrumpyMel2

Ouch...just read the article myself....pass. I'm not interested in playing a game that bares absolutely no relation to TES, series other then the brand name and the skin.

I get that you have to make some changes in order to translate something into an MMO format....but there should be at least some minimal effort to capture the SPIRIT of the series you are representing....from what I've read so far, this game has none.

It's if they took a Quarter-Pounder with Cheese, replaced the graphic on the carton with a lobster claw and are selling it under the name "Lobster Meal". Sorry changing the packaging doesn't turn a burger into seafood.

 

Not poking fun or putting down (this time), but I said the exact same thing the first time I read about WoW. I was a big fan of the RTSes and still have my orginal Orcs and Humans demo disk straight from Blizzard, and WoW was going to be too big of a departure for me.

However, once I tried it, I was hooked for over 5 years. Maybe ESO will do the same for others.

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  GeezerGamer

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5/04/12 1:22:30 PM#27

What is it with these freakin developers looking at teh MMORPG genre through WOW? No! Do NOT come up with your own ideas! Do not get creative! Do not be original, Just clone WoW since Blizzard already did all the work!

Isn't it so plainly obvious that gamers don't want another WoW? For WoW, they have....guess what? That's right, WoW!

If players wanted another WoW, Rift would have Subs in the millions.

It's the sad state of the genre. The next big title has as many threads discussing issues with it's business model than issues with the game itself.

  Classicstar

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5/04/12 1:29:47 PM#28


Originally posted by Tranquilliti
So much for "elder scrolls games are unique and special" and all this rubbish, I have been an elder scrolls fan since Morrowind but this is just ridiculous. Incase you haven't read the magazine scans (pm me) I will tell you all now this is an absolute peice of junk themepark, a bigger wow clone then SWTOR.  I was honestly hoping for a sandbox game, or atleast something special and unique. I was even joking with a few mates that this game could be a wow clone, but I never expected a wow clone with "Modern MMO improvements". It sounds like they stole guild wars 2 three side pvp, but instead of it being world vs world vs world it is faction vs faction vs faction. Also heroic instanced raids are mentioned, so this will be another end game raiding for gear trashbox. It's funny how I actually expected bethseda to do something unique and special, maybe make the Ultima online 2 (ultimate sandbox) the gaming world needs so badly, I should of known after skyrim all bethseda care about is money. It's now quite clear the last hope of a full loot decent sandbox is embersofcaerus, but hopefully Archeage (themepark game with sandbox elements) will educated more people about sandbox games enough for themeparks to atleast get player housing and some more customisation in the future. 
 
 
EDIT: I am not trolling, giving out the links will get me banned and my thread removed like everybody else who has done it. You will all read for yourselfs when Gameinformer comes out. 


PvP was not stolen from GW2 lol pls get you facs straight its lead designer from DAOC they hired.

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  Trollsighted

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5/04/12 1:35:37 PM#29

Guys why don't we just boycott every mmo out there in response of the making TES a mmo. Also i'm going to go into my bunker because the sky is falling, send me a pm if you want to join me. Even tho we know so little about the product, i will make my full opinion about it. The minute i send this reply in i'm going to find a corridor to run through screaming.

  Wolvards

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5/04/12 1:37:02 PM#30
Originally posted by GeezerGamer

What is it with these freakin developers looking at teh MMORPG genre through WOW? No! Do NOT come up with your own ideas! Do not get creative! Do not be original, Just clone WoW since Blizzard already did all the work!

Isn't it so plainly obvious that gamers don't want another WoW? For WoW, they have....guess what? That's right, WoW!

If players wanted another WoW, Rift would have Subs in the millions.

Why is it a WoW clone? Cause it's themepark style? it has quests? 

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  dontadow

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5/04/12 1:39:02 PM#31
Originally posted by Yamota

The creators of Skyrim, the ultimate single player sandbox RPG, are creating a ThemePark? Will this madness ever end?

Still confused, how is skyrim a sandbox game? i don't recall having any simulation features in the game.  It's an RPG.  Just sucks that they are slapping the name elder scroll on a game that more than likely began as something else. 

  dontadow

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5/04/12 1:41:32 PM#32
Originally posted by VassagoMael
Originally posted by Tranquilliti

So much for "elder scrolls games are unique and special" and all this rubbish, I have been an elder scrolls fan since Morrowind but this is just ridiculous. Incase you haven't read the magazine scans (pm me) I will tell you all now this is an absolute peice of junk themepark, a bigger wow clone then SWTOR.  I was honestly hoping for a sandbox game, or atleast something special and unique. I was even joking with a few mates that this game could be a wow clone, but I never expected a wow clone with "Modern MMO improvements". It sounds like they stole guild wars 2 three side pvp, but instead of it being world vs world vs world it is faction vs faction vs faction. Also heroic instanced raids are mentioned, so this will be another end game raiding for gear trashbox. It's funny how I actually expected bethseda to do something unique and special, maybe make the Ultima online 2 (ultimate sandbox) the gaming world needs so badly, I should of known after skyrim all bethseda care about is money. It's now quite clear the last hope of a full loot decent sandbox is embersofcaerus, but hopefully Archeage (themepark game with sandbox elements) will educated more people about sandbox games enough for themeparks to atleast get player housing and some more customisation in the future. 

 

 

EDIT: I am not trolling, giving out the links will get me banned and my thread removed like everybody else who has done it. You will all read for yourselfs when Gameinformer comes out. 

Wow you've been a fan since Morrowind! Crazy! That puts you in line with 90% of the people who play ES games! 

 

I'll reserve my initial judgement of the game for when it at least has a firm release date (same as GW2) and I suggest the rest of you do the same. However, I expect you to just keep flopping about like a speared fish on your keyboard so carry on.

Im a fan since arena, and not the guy who hearfd about it and bought it but the guy who, when it first came out saw it in a store and said ,wow this looks like a cool game similar to an old monochrome game i played.  

FIrst impressions are everything. Whreas i don't think it will be a horrible game, it just doesnt sound like elder scroll.  This is like Star wars first big press release announcing that they are focusing the game and game play on jar jar binks and the Gungan wars.  No jedi but you can design your own ear size and catch phrase. 

  Wolvards

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5/04/12 1:43:43 PM#33
Originally posted by dontadow
Originally posted by Yamota

The creators of Skyrim, the ultimate single player sandbox RPG, are creating a ThemePark? Will this madness ever end?

Still confused, how is skyrim a sandbox game? i don't recall having any simulation features in the game.  It's an RPG.  Just sucks that they are slapping the name elder scroll on a game that more than likely began as something else. 

I agree, How is Skyrim a sanbox?  You get one main storyline quest and then a million side quests. I don't think using TES IP was a great idea either, great concept, and setting, bad idea.

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  dontadow

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5/04/12 1:45:22 PM#34
Originally posted by Wolvards

When the OP said they took 3 faction PvP from GW2 i laughed a little. Maybe you should do some research bud, GW2 is about a decade behind on 3 faction PvP. And guess who first created it? OMG!?!?! The director of TESO, imagine that... He made it once, it worked, lets do it again. I kind of like the reference someone else posted on here though, keep flopping like a speared fish on you keyboard  Thats a good one.

Thing is their is no 3 faction pvp in elder scroll. Elder scroll doesnt have a scene where one adventure kills another adventure or random advenures attack you for no reson.

As a matter of fact, in skryim i can go into opposing factions terratory and shop and be 100 percent fine.  This is because pvp games see war like 12 year olds do.  i hate him, i attack him. And that's not how war is.  War is fought on battlefields not ganking people outside of citites.  

Skyrim is about choice.  If i choose to rob and steal and kill i have ocnsequences. But if i dont i can play the game like a normal rpg. This game does not seem remontly interested in offering layer hcoice. u are thrown into a silly 3 way pvp rape fest with adventuring an afterthought. 

  BigHatLogan

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5/04/12 1:46:33 PM#35

I assume I am the only person on the planet who thought Skyrim was a pile of crap.  A WoW clone version would only make it smell more.  FFA would make a lot more sense as opposed to 3 Faction, but whatever.  It might turn out to be a great game, we don't really know much about it at this point.  I would just caution getting hopes up, I foresee another TORtanic.

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  apocoluster

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5/04/12 1:47:53 PM#36

    Awesome, I cant wait...I <3 wow clones

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  Wolvards

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5/04/12 1:52:23 PM#37
Originally posted by dontadow
Originally posted by Wolvards

When the OP said they took 3 faction PvP from GW2 i laughed a little. Maybe you should do some research bud, GW2 is about a decade behind on 3 faction PvP. And guess who first created it? OMG!?!?! The director of TESO, imagine that... He made it once, it worked, lets do it again. I kind of like the reference someone else posted on here though, keep flopping like a speared fish on you keyboard  Thats a good one.

Thing is their is no 3 faction pvp in elder scroll. Elder scroll doesnt have a scene where one adventure kills another adventure or random advenures attack you for no reson.

As a matter of fact, in skryim i can go into opposing factions terratory and shop and be 100 percent fine.  This is because pvp games see war like 12 year olds do.  i hate him, i attack him. And that's not how war is.  War is fought on battlefields not ganking people outside of citites.  

Skyrim is about choice.  If i choose to rob and steal and kill i have ocnsequences. But if i dont i can play the game like a normal rpg. This game does not seem remontly interested in offering layer hcoice. u are thrown into a silly 3 way pvp rape fest with adventuring an afterthought. 

Trust me, i know about Skyrim :) Played my fair share in it and i know what TES stands for, my point being in that post was, they didn't get 3 faction PvP from GW2, Because GW2 got the idea from DaoC, and the co-dev of DAoC is Developing TESO, so saying they got the idea from GW2, and instead of WvWvW its faction vs faction vs faction is literally describing DAoC. See my point?

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  dontadow

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5/04/12 2:08:45 PM#38
Originally posted by Wolvards
Originally posted by dontadow
Originally posted by Wolvards

When the OP said they took 3 faction PvP from GW2 i laughed a little. Maybe you should do some research bud, GW2 is about a decade behind on 3 faction PvP. And guess who first created it? OMG!?!?! The director of TESO, imagine that... He made it once, it worked, lets do it again. I kind of like the reference someone else posted on here though, keep flopping like a speared fish on you keyboard  Thats a good one.

Thing is their is no 3 faction pvp in elder scroll. Elder scroll doesnt have a scene where one adventure kills another adventure or random advenures attack you for no reson.

As a matter of fact, in skryim i can go into opposing factions terratory and shop and be 100 percent fine.  This is because pvp games see war like 12 year olds do.  i hate him, i attack him. And that's not how war is.  War is fought on battlefields not ganking people outside of citites.  

Skyrim is about choice.  If i choose to rob and steal and kill i have ocnsequences. But if i dont i can play the game like a normal rpg. This game does not seem remontly interested in offering layer hcoice. u are thrown into a silly 3 way pvp rape fest with adventuring an afterthought. 

Trust me, i know about Skyrim :) Played my fair share in it and i know what TES stands for, my point being in that post was, they didn't get 3 faction PvP from GW2, Because GW2 got the idea from DaoC, and the co-dev of DAoC is Developing TESO, so saying they got the idea from GW2, and instead of WvWvW its faction vs faction vs faction is literally describing DAoC. See my point?

I"m not negating your point, and i've always said that DAOC is a fine game built around PVP, just not an mmorpg.  GW2 took an aspect of DAOC and implemented a new version in their game as one of their modes of gameplay.  I don't think anyone said that GW2 invented 3 faction game. Heck DAOC certainly didnt do it, the idea of a 3rd faction in a war game is fairly old. Games like Starcraft and an old, old RTS called the ARt of War (1990s game) had 3 factions way before DAOC ever did.  

I could care less about who invented, but it doesnt belong in an elder scroll game.  This feels like a game that they were devrelping and then got the license from Bethesda for the MMO and thought, hey we can slap it on here and replace the lore we already have.  

  Yamota

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5/04/12 4:56:21 PM#39
Originally posted by dontadow
Originally posted by Yamota

The creators of Skyrim, the ultimate single player sandbox RPG, are creating a ThemePark? Will this madness ever end?

Still confused, how is skyrim a sandbox game? i don't recall having any simulation features in the game.  It's an RPG.  Just sucks that they are slapping the name elder scroll on a game that more than likely began as something else. 

It is sandbox in the sense that it is an open ended world where you are free to roam around and do as you wish rather than follow a straight line, quest hub to quest hub. Granted there are not many buildable elements in the world but it is still very much open ended RPG, contrary to linear one's like Dragon Age Origins series.

  Blackwater56

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5/04/12 8:19:51 PM#40
Originally posted by apocoluster

    Awesome, I cant wait...I <3 wow clones

You are the cancer killing MMOs 

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