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  Cypt1

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5/04/12 6:06:03 AM#41

Eh, after reading that article, my initial doubts and concerns about this game have pretty much been confirmed. It might end up being top-notch for an MMO (e.g., just as Rift was), but this will hardly be the same as the Elder Scrolls games that we've previously played. Surprised? Nah. That's what I suspected it would be from the start. Disappointed? Yeah, I am.

I can't even begin to fathom an Elder Scrolls game without player housing or the ability to transform into a vampire. I'm sure a little innovation (something the MMO genre desperately needs) could have ensured those features would be included. Instead, the developers are conforming to the genre standards that are responsible for its overal mundanity and stagnation. Why would I leave my current MMOs for this game? That's a question I'm asking myself now, and if I'm still asking myself that once we're closer to launch, then I definitely won't be giving it a try. I'm sure a lot of people will enjoy this game, but having played Morrowind, Oblivion, and Skyrim obsessively, based on what we've seen in that article (assuming it's genuine), the discrepancies between the MMO and the previous three games are far too extensive for me personally.

I hope they change the art direction, too, while they're at it. If I had been shown those screenshots with no prior knowledge of which IP they represented, I never would have guessed it was an Elder Scrolls game. I'm not criticizing the polygon count or special effects, either--I'm talking about the stylistic elements represented in those pictures. Previous TES games--including the much older Morrowind--emanated a macabre, gritty aura that was simultaneously enchantingly captivating with its grim beauty. There are a multitude of fantasy styles to choose from, and the one depicted in those screenshots does not feel like the Elder Scrolls series I've come to know over the years.

And I'm not even touching on other elements, such as "hotbars" and defined classes. You can slap the Elder Scrolls label on this game and use the same vernacular/terminology that the other ES games employed, but that doesn't mean the end result will be remotely similar. That said, the game is still in its developmental infancy. While I won't unrealistically hope for changes that aren't gonna happen, what we see here could easily change between now and release, to a degree. If it changes for the better, I will consider playing it. As of now, I'm not holding my breath.

If I sound jaded, it's only becase I've been let down so many times due to my once optimistic naivete. I swore the Old Republic was the last MMO I'd allow to disappoint me. Given TES and KotOR are two of the series that entranced me as a teenager, to see them mutate into something entirely different once they became MMOs is a bitter pill for me to swallow.

  Sid_Vicious

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5/04/12 6:30:12 AM#42

Elder Scroll games are totally under-rated imo. So are most games listed on this site . ..

 

How could anyone not enjoy Skyrim? I am a critic myself but really? You cannot expect it to be as big as Daggerfall with today's graphics but even that game was sued for a bug that prevented people from completing the game. Did I ever notice? No. That game has so much more content than other games during its time that its pretty ridiculous that the company was sued over that. I mean, didn't they try writing the company and waiting for an add-on or were they just a bunch of whiny bitches like most of the nerds who play video games?

 

: D

 

That being said, they have been known in the past for making a game that was too large and so the result was many bugs. People mentioning their good reputation seem to be forgetting that. Being an MMORPG people will surely throw a fit and write post after post about how fail the game is whenever it does come out because I guarantee that it will not have the same quality that Skyrim had . .... but being able to play it online with other people does give it potential to be funner!

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  Gorwe

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5/04/12 6:34:49 AM#43
Well, I do not know even how to formulate my feelings after reading that article. Tumultous perhaps?

Anyways, guys from Mythic are working on this. The same bonkheads that managed to ruin WARHAMMER IP. If they can and did break such a Great and invincible IP, why exactly do you think they will not break Elder Scrolls MMO?
Further, even the useage of words such as "kill 6 sth" or "go and pick up" or "instances" makes me shudder in fear of what's to come. And nothing good is coming out...

As others have said Already, this is nothing more than random MMO with ES lore tacked on and bunch of systems copy-pasted from other games(wanna bet that natural role taking in combat is going to be better in GW 2?).
Mythic is, after all, a Master of copy-pasta style. And they copyied GW 2 HEAVILY from what I can read. Who cares though(more recognition for GW 2 ;))?
There is not a thing in this game that is not copyied from some other game(most common being-WoW, DAoC, GW2, TES single player games).

Shame that Elder Scrolls have to endure what Star Wars and Warhammer endured. What happened to "historia est magistra vitae"? That is considered lost Knowledge now lol?

Finally, Mythic is King Midas of turd country. Everything that Mythic touches turns into one big, steaming pile of turd. Shame that they still work in game industry...
  tasasas

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5/04/12 6:38:29 AM#44

How they did not make it a first-person view game is beyond me. I'm so disappointed.

  Sid_Vicious

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5/04/12 6:45:55 AM#45
Originally posted by Gorwe

Anyways, guys from Mythic are working on this. The same bonkheads that managed to ruin WARHAMMER IP. If they can and did break such a Great and invincible IP, why exactly do you think they will not break Elder Scrolls MMO?

Shame that Elder Scrolls have to endure what Star Wars and Warhammer endured. What happened to "historia est magistra vitae"? That is considered lost Knowledge now lol?

 

Warhammer had a lot of potential. What ruined it for me was the graphics (too cartoony and ridiculously sized weapons/armor but thats typical for Warhammer so not a let down), clunky gameplay (combat simply doesn't feel as smooth as my favorite MMOs and many spells were bugged at release for me), and finally no real risk vs reward (which should be very important in my opinion especially since the game was so PVP oriented . ...).

 

Warhammer would have been so much funner if the combat was smoother and not so chaotic. I would have probably played it twice as long if they simply had a risk vs reward system of some kind where I could earn something from being a better PVPer than other people. Not some title thats earned from repetitive gameplay like in GW but a real PVP title that is a pain in the ass to earn and even more difficult to keep.

 

This would have completely changed the endgame for me. Perhaps throwing in a looting system. Anything! It pretty much felt like it was pointless to win after a couple rounds. They could make it strictly something for bragging rights if the PVEers are too frightened.

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  Larsa

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5/04/12 7:08:59 AM#46

I'd rather call the game "The Elder Scrolls: World of Dark Guild Hammer Knights of the Camelot Republic"

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  WhiteLantern

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5/04/12 7:11:17 AM#47
Originally posted by Larsa

I'd rather call the game "The Elder Scrolls: World of Dark Guild Hammer Knights of the Camelot Republic"

But how do you shorten that down to something people can say? I don't think I can pronounce WDGHKotCR.

I want a mmorpg where people have gone through misery, have gone through school stuff and actually have had sex even. -sagil

  xr00t3dx

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5/04/12 7:11:53 AM#48
Originally posted by Agoden

All of us already know an Elder scrolls mmo will never ever be as good as the single player experience.

Its just impossible, we dont have the technology or ideas to make it work.

Yep, in fact I think it will damage the IP. I would love it not to be so, but I can't see it turning out any other way.

  Sanguinelust

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broken

5/04/12 7:12:32 AM#49

I'm going to stay optimistic on this one. I don't think it's going to be as good as the SP games but I do think it will be fun. 

The games just been announced and people are hating it already. Kids these days sheesh!

  ShakyMo

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5/04/12 7:13:00 AM#50
The people making this left mythic BEFORE warhammer and ea involvement.
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5/04/12 7:13:54 AM#51

I have to admit ,now I am a little worried about the game. Takes an old guy pill.

  Larsa

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5/04/12 7:17:46 AM#52
Originally posted by WhiteLantern
Originally posted by Larsa

I'd rather call the game "The Elder Scrolls: World of Dark Guild Hammer Knights of the Camelot Republic"

But how do you shorten that down to something people can say? I don't think I can pronounce WDGHKotCR.

It's pronounced "same old". :)

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  ShakyMo

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5/04/12 7:19:40 AM#53
I don't get where people are getting wow clone from.

The description makes it sound daoc clone.

Does wow have 3 sided large scale pvp?
Does wow have open dungeons?
Do you see any mention of Esports nonsense?
  Resetgun

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5/04/12 7:25:21 AM#54

Bleh... Another theme park with classes and boring fights.

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  Ghabbo

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5/04/12 7:26:35 AM#55
Originally posted by tasasas

How they did not make it a first-person view game is beyond me. I'm so disappointed.

 

The majority of people I've been talking about this game during these last two days said something like "what?!, not a FPV TES?! I won't touch it with a ten-foot pole"... maybe they are wrong, maybe I am. The point is, if Bethesda had asked the fans they would have realized what a huge mistake it is... I only hope history doesn't repeat itself this time.

  Gorwe

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5/04/12 7:27:34 AM#56
Yes, there is mention of ESports. In the paragraph where they talk about PvP they say: "There will be a place for ESport PvP crowd".

And they mention WoW too often for me to be content. It's quite opposite in fact. The mere fact that WoW is mentioned repeatedly has left Bad taste in my mouth...

And seeing how Mythic actually hurt me with WAR, Therefore I am associating them with Bad games...
  Ghabbo

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5/04/12 7:36:34 AM#57
Originally posted by Gorwe
Yes, there is mention of ESports. In the paragraph where they talk about PvP they say: "There will be a place for ESport PvP crowd".

And they mention WoW too often for me to be content. It's quite opposite in fact. The mere fact that WoW is mentioned repeatedly has left Bad taste in my mouth...

And seeing how Mythic actually hurt me with WAR, Therefore I am associating them with Bad games...

 

This (also SWToR got mentioned many times). Don't get me wrong, WoW is a fine game (haven't tried SWToR), it is just that those games mechanics don't fit what I would have expected in a TES MMO.

  ShakyMo

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5/04/12 7:52:44 AM#58
None of these mythic and origin guys at zenimax worked on war. They left before war.

So ultima online and daoc as prior mmos, 2 of the best mmos ever, I don't get why people think it will be some swtor abomination, these guys put out 2 great mmos before. Bioware didn't, also bioware had ea looking over their shoulder going "bring me wow subs" (as did mythic with war)
  Galadourn

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5/04/12 8:09:45 AM#59

the leaked images bring Rift to mind; thats way below Skyrim's level  of detail. Unless they spend the entire year till release polishing the GFX style and bringing it on par with Skyrim, I don't think they'll manage to capture much of the ES audience.

 

Also, tab-target combat, WTF?

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  Wombatninja5

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5/04/12 8:13:39 AM#60

The main problem i saw with the linked info was that the whole reason this game is coming into fruition is

"the elder scrolls franchise's adaptability to the MMO space has been clear to everyone since MORROWIND BROKE INTO THE MAINSTREAM IN 2002 TO THE TUNE OF OVER 4 MILLION LIFETIME SALES"

So by this logic any game that is successful should be able to adapt their universe to the mmo world?....highly doubtable...imo the success from this game is because of its nature... and if you wanted to enhance that experience by adding cooperative play then it should only be added within the scope of the existing universe...too many mechanics in this game will break when adding other players tho.....

how sneaky are you on your own?.....now how sneaky do you think you'll be with a 10yr old strapped to your waist.....exactly...

validity?

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