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General Discussion  » Will all items at lvl 80 have the same stats?!?!?!?!

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  DeserttFoxx

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5/02/12 5:13:41 PM#101
Originally posted by Twisted77
Expansion packs?

No gear grind - #1 selling point for a true pvpr. Plus alts.... dont have to grind to get them competitve.

true pvpers are anti gear grind?

 

News to me...

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  waynejr2

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5/02/12 5:21:12 PM#102
Originally posted by DeserttFoxx
Originally posted by Twisted77
Expansion packs?

No gear grind - #1 selling point for a true pvpr. Plus alts.... dont have to grind to get them competitve.

true pvpers are anti gear grind?

 

News to me...

We all know that when people bring out the "true" ____ that they are full of it.

  Thorbrand

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5/02/12 5:23:01 PM#103
Originally posted by DeserttFoxx
Originally posted by Twisted77
Expansion packs?

No gear grind - #1 selling point for a true pvpr. Plus alts.... dont have to grind to get them competitve.

true pvpers are anti gear grind?

 

News to me...

Actually yes True Pvpers are skill based players not gear grind players. Big difference in using skill to win and players that rely on gear to compete at all.

  jusomdude

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5/02/12 5:28:29 PM#104

I think the game will get kinda boring after I've had my fill of the mists. Going after cosmetic gear doesn't sound that interesting. There doesn't seem to be any sense of long term goals.

IMO, games need some sort of grind at max lvl to keep players hooked. Guess it doesn't matter much as far as making money goes for ANet since there's no sub cost, but I'd like to have some long term goals to go after in the game.

Better gear doesn't even have to be all that much better but at least something would be nice.

 

I really don't care about having better gear than the next guy, I just want something to entice me to play besides just for the fleeting fun of it.

  Derpybird

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5/02/12 5:32:13 PM#105

If you want a true, classic gear grinding experience with raid tiers and all that jazz, GW2 isn't the game for you. I'm not sure why people are bothered by the fact that GW2 is the game that it is, rather than the game that they want it to be.

There are plenty of other choices for gear grinds.

"Loading screens" are not "instances".
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  tordurbar

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5/02/12 5:41:40 PM#106
I don't necessarily like gear grind but I do expect to have better gear the higher level I go. Here is why: a skilled player will always beat me at pvp.  I know that both my sons are going to pawn me in pvp no matter how good I get unless I have something to make up for the difference in skill. That difference is gear.
The mantra that "the skilled player should always win" sounds good to the young and skilled but for other audiences it will fall flat. First, people like me who are not skilled will become discouraged. We can't beat skilled players no matter what we do - why keep playing? Second, the medium skill people will be disappointed for, as time goes on, the really skillful will dominate everything. How long would you stay with a game when you always get beaten?
I know that for many pvpers this is exactly what they are looking for. I don't think that it will be long term good for GW2 - it will end up like GW1. Worse case scenario is that the game will end up like DAOC, Aion and Darkfall - good pvp games but not wildly popular.
In spite of what I said above I did enjoy the GW2 beta and look forward to playing the game upon release. There is so much else other than pvp that is fun.
  Ice-Queen

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5/02/12 5:46:18 PM#107
Originally posted by Thorbrand
Originally posted by DeserttFoxx
Originally posted by Twisted77
Expansion packs?

No gear grind - #1 selling point for a true pvpr. Plus alts.... dont have to grind to get them competitve.

true pvpers are anti gear grind?

 

News to me...

Actually yes True Pvpers are skill based players not gear grind players. Big difference in using skill to win and players that rely on gear to compete at all.

Those people that think they're hardcore and have had gear prop them up over the years with WoW, are in for a shock against the old school pvp'ers from UO/AC 1/Dark Age of Camelot....

What happens when you log off your characters????.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFQhfhnjYMk
Dark Age of Camelot

  NaughtyP

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5/02/12 5:47:26 PM#108
Originally posted by tordurbar
I don't necessarily like gear grind but I do expect to have better gear the higher level I go. Here is why: a skilled player will always beat me at pvp.  I know that both my sons are going to pawn me in pvp no matter how good I get unless I have something to make up for the difference in skill. That difference is gear.
The mantra that "the skilled player should always win" sounds good to the young and skilled but for other audiences it will fall flat. First, people like me who are not skilled will become discouraged. We can't beat skilled players no matter what we do - why keep playing? Second, the medium skill people will be disappointed for, as time goes on, the really skillful will dominate everything. How long would you stay with a game when you always get beaten?
I know that for many pvpers this is exactly what they are looking for. I don't think that it will be long term good for GW2 - it will end up like GW1. Worse case scenario is that the game will end up like DAOC, Aion and Darkfall - good pvp games but not wildly popular.
In spite of what I said above I did enjoy the GW2 beta and look forward to playing the game upon release. There is so much else other than pvp that is fun.

That's why something like WvW exists. You don't need to be the most skilled player to have an impact. In fact, a brash or reckless skilled PvP'er might be less useful than someone who simply focuses on teamwork, objectives and doing what needs doing.

Enter a whole new realm of challenge and adventure.

  Derpybird

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5/02/12 5:52:54 PM#109
Originally posted by NaughtyP
Originally posted by tordurbar
I don't necessarily like gear grind but I do expect to have better gear the higher level I go. Here is why: a skilled player will always beat me at pvp.  I know that both my sons are going to pawn me in pvp no matter how good I get unless I have something to make up for the difference in skill. That difference is gear.
The mantra that "the skilled player should always win" sounds good to the young and skilled but for other audiences it will fall flat. First, people like me who are not skilled will become discouraged. We can't beat skilled players no matter what we do - why keep playing? Second, the medium skill people will be disappointed for, as time goes on, the really skillful will dominate everything. How long would you stay with a game when you always get beaten?
I know that for many pvpers this is exactly what they are looking for. I don't think that it will be long term good for GW2 - it will end up like GW1. Worse case scenario is that the game will end up like DAOC, Aion and Darkfall - good pvp games but not wildly popular.
In spite of what I said above I did enjoy the GW2 beta and look forward to playing the game upon release. There is so much else other than pvp that is fun.

That's why something like WvW exists. You don't need to be the most skilled player to have an impact. In fact, a brash or reckless skilled PvP'er might be less useful than someone who simply focuses on teamwork, objectives and doing what needs doing.

^ This.

You might not be the best PvPer, hell I know that I'm not, but if you stay with a team as you roam around WvW, and figure out how to use your abilities to compliment and/or support theirs, you can still have a lot of fun. And other things, like helping to complete the PvE objectives in WvWvW, or keep defense, don't require a lot of skill per se, but does require people knowing what to do and how to best support their server/team's efforts.

"Loading screens" are not "instances".
Your personal efforts to troll any game will not, in fact, impact the success or failure of said game.

  dontadow

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5/02/12 5:56:45 PM#110
Originally posted by jusomdude

I think the game will get kinda boring after I've had my fill of the mists. Going after cosmetic gear doesn't sound that interesting. There doesn't seem to be any sense of long term goals.

IMO, games need some sort of grind at max lvl to keep players hooked. Guess it doesn't matter much as far as making money goes for ANet since there's no sub cost, but I'd like to have some long term goals to go after in the game.

Better gear doesn't even have to be all that much better but at least something would be nice.

 

I really don't care about having better gear than the next guy, I just want something to entice me to play besides just for the fleeting fun of it.

Clarify?  You either care about gear grind or you don't. It's okay to care one way or another. But this tatment contradicts yourself.

What entices you to play is having complete sets of armor, if you don't care about the stats, why does it matter if they have them? 

 

  IPolygon

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5/02/12 5:59:46 PM#111
No, they don't have the same stats. They do have the same base damage range, but additional stats (like +precision) can be customized.
  warchant

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5/02/12 6:16:46 PM#112

Every other game on the market these days has "uber gear" for grinders. Can we have ONE game that is not focused on raiding for gear every other week to keep up? ONE game that values enjoyment over "rewards"? I, and many like me, play games for FUN, not to show off yet another piece of gear we spent the last month of our lives trying get.

 

Please play one of the 100 other mmo's that already pander to the vanity crowd and leave the ONE mmo that is getting back to roots alone so my kind of people have something to enjoy. TThanks!

 

I always wonder when people stopped playing games for the fun of it... WTF happened to just having fun?!?

 

GIMMIE GIMMIE GIMMIE!!!!!!!!!!!!! I know I am not alone in being perplexed by this change in values.

 

It's why I love PvP. There isn't really a point to it. You can "win" the game as it were without pvp'ing. It's just FUN to play cowboys and indians with your pals in the front yard. Run around being silly and living out the fantasy for awhile, just because it's there!

 

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  xracerx8000

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5/02/12 6:46:20 PM#113

Havnt read the thread but I think it works something like this.....

You get your gear which has base stats on it, and you enchant them in any way you wish according to what works better for your build.  This way people have the same gear but stats flucuate in different ways.

 

Am i right?

  Banisco

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5/02/12 6:47:31 PM#114
Originally posted by xracerx8000

Havnt read the thread but I think it works something like this.....

You get your gear which has base stats on it, and you enchant them in any way you wish according to what works better for your build.  This way people have the same gear but stats flucuate in different ways.

 

Am i right?

Yesssss

  Xzen

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5/02/12 6:48:14 PM#115
Originally posted by xracerx8000

Havnt read the thread but I think it works something like this.....

You get your gear which has base stats on it, and you enchant them in any way you wish according to what works better for your build.  This way people have the same gear but stats flucuate in different ways.

 

Am i right?

Yes the gear has slots that you can use to customise it.

  xracerx8000

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5/02/12 6:50:30 PM#116
Originally posted by Xzen
Originally posted by xracerx8000

Havnt read the thread but I think it works something like this.....

You get your gear which has base stats on it, and you enchant them in any way you wish according to what works better for your build.  This way people have the same gear but stats flucuate in different ways.

 

Am i right?

Yes the gear has slots that you can use to customise it.

 

Thats perfect, I dont see why people are complaining.  What better way than to balance the items, and have people customize each item based on their prefered playstyle.

 

Suits me.

  Distopia

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5/02/12 6:54:27 PM#117
Originally posted by Veshi
Originally posted by Theonenoni

No life gaming is so old. GW2 may not be for you, but a job application should be. 

 

BOOM! head shot!

Logical fallacy really, not to mention an ugly amount of stereotype.

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  observer

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5/02/12 7:07:14 PM#118
Some of you should know that gear isn't the only thing to strive for in games.  There is also titles, achievements, rankings, etc.
  ZoeMcCloskey

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5/02/12 7:07:31 PM#119
Originally posted by Thorbrand
Originally posted by DeserttFoxx
Originally posted by Twisted77
Expansion packs?

No gear grind - #1 selling point for a true pvpr. Plus alts.... dont have to grind to get them competitve.

true pvpers are anti gear grind?

 

News to me...

Actually yes True Pvpers are skill based players not gear grind players. Big difference in using skill to win and players that rely on gear to compete at all.

100% agreed

  Skarecrow7

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5/02/12 10:01:41 PM#120
Originally posted by Depravity44
People keep talking about pvp being fair.  "This should be this way because it would be fair."  I've got news, life isn't fair and video games aren't fair.  People work for what they have which gives them an advantage.  This is true IRL and in game.  Hard work should give individuals advantages over those who go and buy the "blue light special" armor from droks.  Just my .02 cents.

If you believe that, good for you. No need for me to try to change your mind. Oh, and why are you on the Guild Wars 2 section of these forums? No offense, but obviously you do not like what anet is selling and you have every right to play a game that you will enjoy.. why come here and get all mad at people liking something different?

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