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5/01/12 5:00:09 PM#21
Originally posted by Creslin321 Yeah I can agree with that as well, I've never been a fan of the idea for sure. For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson If you can't argue the point don't say anything at all. |
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5/01/12 5:07:51 PM#22
Originally posted by Betakodo I saw a good post on this on the official forums. https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Remove-gold-as-a-currency-in-WvW/page/1 The solution offered is the removal of gold as a requirement for uprgrades in WvWvW. |
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5/01/12 5:09:18 PM#23
Originally posted by Creslin321 I was able to constantly buy siege weaponry during my 15+ hours in it. Gold is not a factor. I put it like this. I had around 40+ silver when I left V8 and constantly bought siege weapons whenever I had to go back to the main entrance. Catapults cost 16 silver, arrow carts cost 4, the ram cost 4, the cannon 8. Do you really think people will be so poor where they cannot gain money. Also, factor in that DE rewards scale in V8. Last one I remember I gained around 2 silver and 20-30 copper at lvl 19. 19! Once people are around 30 one defense DE will give you enough to buy a couple siege weapons. People can fill their bags with nothing but siege weapons once they hit 80. About that time people, trading gold for gems will not even be worth it just for the siege weapons. You will be rolling in dough by then. Creslin, did you even do WvW? Serious question because the weapons are freaking cheap! The only hard thing was having supply which NO FREAKING BODY EVER CARRIED!!! Well up until the end of beta anyway. People learned they need to keep this stuff around cause 1 or 2 catapults and cannons speed up knocking down doors alot freaking faster than beating on it. BOOYAKA! |
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Vannor
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Joined: 8/11/03
I am the lucid dream. BOW DOWN BEFORE THE GOD OF DEATH! |
5/01/12 5:15:10 PM#24
Talking about this is pointless. Anyone with half a brain knows that buying gems for gold will make a very minor difference to WvW. But even if it does we won't even know it. It could be the guys on your side who just planted that battering ram and catapult. It could be tons of people on the green server. It could be you! Unless people are freely admitting they are buying gems just for gold then we won't even know whether or not it is affecting things. There will be people on every server doing it and helping 'all of us' out in WvW. You're all complaining about something you'll never be able to prove. The only way it would get noticable is if everyone who buys gems for gold all migrate to the same server.. which is very very unlikely. Even them you might not even notice it because the effect is so minor. End of the day though, I got to level 30 in one of the beta weekends and then I did a full 8 hours of WvW.. during those 8 hours I never ran out of money for blueprints. All my money had been earned in PvE.  |
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5/01/12 5:18:32 PM#25
I will be buying gems for my group, then that group will be randomly putting holes into keeps across the three maps. Daoc ninja keep takes ..... are back. |
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The1ceQueen
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Joined: 1/02/08
"Always borrow money from a pessimist. They won't expect it back." |
5/01/12 5:21:55 PM#26
Doesn't matter to me, I don't see it effecting the outcome of the battles very much.
What happens when you log off your characters????..... |
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5/01/12 5:34:07 PM#27
Wow, every one of these threads are all the same, and ive posted many many times in each one and still the same argument. Siege weapon argument is null and void....they drop in the world, for free. Basing your entire P2W argument on siege weapons in WvW is making you look ignorant. In 3 hours of WvW playing with the same 2 friends, the 3 of us looted 2 rams, an arrow cart, 3 catapults and a trebuche. So here maybe it will sink in this time. SIEGE WEAPONS DROP FROM MOBS FOR FREE, THEY DO NOT REQUIRE A TON OF GOLD, AND SAYING THAT THEY WILL TURN THE TIDE AND MAKE THE GAME PAY TO WIN MAKES YOU LOOK IGNORANT. PLAY THE GAME AND STOP JUMPING ON THE BANDWAGON, THE PERSON YOU ARE FOLLOWING IS FEEDING YOU MISINFORMATION AND ITS WORKING. BUYING GOLD FOR GEMS WITH REAL MONEY WILL NOT GIVE YOU ANY ADVANTAGE WHATSOEVER IN ANY AREA OF THE GAME, PVE, PVP OR WVW. JUST STOP ALREADY. |
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5/01/12 5:35:33 PM#28
No they aren't pay to win. Didn't even need gems in beta to actually play the game.
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5/01/12 5:37:36 PM#29
Originally posted by Redemp I'll be the one buying your gems and using the siege equipment your group puts down. SWTOR is the greatest mmo ever! |
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5/01/12 5:39:19 PM#30
Originally posted by JuJutsu Fixed that for you. Many games, including AAA games, have cash shop items that increase the chance of success but it is a marginal amount. You must have a qualifiers on the amount of advantage gained and the signifigance to the game of the advantage. Forever looking for employment. Life is rather dull without it. |
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Vannor
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Joined: 8/11/03
I am the lucid dream. BOW DOWN BEFORE THE GOD OF DEATH! |
5/01/12 5:40:07 PM#31
Originally posted by colddog04 people still think you buy gems off each other....? |
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5/01/12 5:40:55 PM#32
Originally posted by Vannor Yes. Because you can buy someone's gems for gold in game.
Edit: Oh, you think I was sepcifically talking about buying HIS gems. I just meant that I would buy gems on the market and then use his sieges. SWTOR is the greatest mmo ever! |
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Vannor
Elite Member
Joined: 8/11/03
I am the lucid dream. BOW DOWN BEFORE THE GOD OF DEATH! |
5/01/12 5:42:49 PM#33
Originally posted by colddog04 Doesn't matter. Saw your edit :) |
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5/01/12 5:44:46 PM#34
I think that saying it is P2W goes too far. But they let you buy yourselves into the economy though. Cash shop items/services will always be in demand so players will want to buy them, I will have to wait to see how much negative influence this will have on the economy. Players that buy gold don't care about ingame trade prices. Arenanet's argument that selling gems doesn't create gold is besides the point. The question is how much extra gold will be farmed because players see interesting stuff in the cash shop and want to buy gems with the gold? Gold that doesn't leave the economy when traded for gems. |
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5/01/12 5:45:21 PM#35
Originally posted by Vannor Yeah, I know how it works. I bought 150 gems at the end to check out the system in place and I bought a key with it.
My point is that if he were on my server, I think it would be great that he bought gems an sold them for gold while I buy gems with my gold and use his sieges.
Doesn't seem very fair for him honestly. SWTOR is the greatest mmo ever! |
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5/01/12 5:46:31 PM#36
Originally posted by JuJutsu
eather way,i think people are overreacting to the cash shop now that i think about it.in previous mmos ive played they've actually had gear and weapons you could buy with real money.but the funny part is,it always made me enjoy killing them even more because they wasted there money and still get owned by the people who didnt pay money for good gear and weapons |
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5/01/12 5:46:32 PM#37
Pay2Win means you can literally buy an advantage that other non-paying players cannot obtain. Seeing how everything in that store provides either no advantage or is obtainable by non-paying players, it isn't p2w. An xp boost is not an unattainable advantage as it will just take non-paying customers a few more minutes to level. Buying gold with gems isn't an advantage as gold is easily obtained by non-paying players. With the amount of people involved in WvWvW, there will be more siege weapons than supply to build them, especially once things get organized and siegers know to cut off supply objectives while sieging. |
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FlawSGI
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Joined: 8/14/10
All of history is a lie. The truth depends on who does the listening, and who does the telling... |
5/01/12 5:47:58 PM#38
I don't, and I still think Anet has stood by their word that anything in the cash shop is optional. Sure there are some things that are going to be bought for convenience like the various boosts, but that has zero affect on other players inside their system. I will say should there be a way to exploit the WvWvW in some way as others have theorized, Anet will most likely do something about it.
As much as the cash shop, as it stands, doesn't bother me, I am sure they wouldn't want to deal with the customer backlash over P2W items should the CS turn out to be that way. As it is right now people just play semantics to make the system sound like it is to support their views. Sure there are going to be those that refuse to touch the title while it has a CS at all (funny because the MMO some are currently playing has one in it as well). Everything I see in the CS is still convinience and gives no unfair advantages to anyone. Time will tell if it remains that way. RIP Jimmy "The Rev" Sullivan and Paul Gray. |
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5/01/12 5:52:32 PM#39
When someone wins at Guild WArs 2, Let me know
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5/01/12 5:54:59 PM#40
Originally posted by Atlan99 I actually suggested this to in my beta feedback thread (don't feel like digging it up). I don't understand why they didn't make it use a PvP currency.  |
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