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  doragon86

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5/01/12 4:40:43 PM#41
Originally posted by Airwren
Originally posted by Jimmydean
Originally posted by Airwren
Originally posted by Verterdegete
Originally posted by Vunak23

 

 

You can't faceroll your way through the game like you can in GW2.

 

 

Actually, GW2 is quite a bit more difficult than TERA...

Agreed, I have yet to watch anyone be "challenged" by anything I've seen in Tera so far.  The levelling and questing is most definitely facerolling from what I've seen.  Having said that I have yet to see any large scale pvp or end game raids where things might actually be difficult.  Anyone whose claiming that combat in Tera is a challenge (at least as far as levelling is concerned) is either a terribad or flat out lying.

So you've watched Tera but not played it. Makes sense that you have no clue what you are talking about.

If you're here to try and claim that somehow the live game footage I'm watching isn't a good representation of the levelling process in Tera I think it's you who don't know what you're talking about.  Christ even Bill Murphy whose one of the staff writers here mentions that in his blog post.  I even mentioned that I have yet to see some of the other game play aspects that could be more challenging.  Either way, my post is still valid despite your claim that I don't know what I'm talking about. lol

I don't know. I honestly feel that just watching it only gives you a jist of the game. I don't think it's enough to form a solid opinion on a game. However, TERA didn't feel that challenging to me, even when dealing with BAMs, but meh. 

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  Vesavius

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5/01/12 4:42:37 PM#42

I enjoyed TERA. I thought it was a beautiful smooth game that had a fun combat mechanic but very mundane questing and dubious PvP (I hate lvl/ gear PvP, it's just pointless ego wanking with no real basis in skill).

If GW2 wasn't on the horizon I would probably buy and play it. It looks and plays like an evolution of Aion and there was a lot I loved about Aion. I think I could have really got in to it.

BUT...

Sadly, that's not the case.

GW2 IS on the horizon and I loved what I played in the event. TERA, to me, is good, but GW2 is great. I mean no disrespect to the TERA players here though, this is just a taste thing really, and I wish it well as a game. I have no doubt it will find an audience.

I prefer GW2's PvP set up, it's art style, it's quest model, and how it encourages and rewards playstyles I value. That's just me though.

  Albred

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5/01/12 4:45:09 PM#43

Tera = 100% stand still and attack

GW2 = 20% stand still and attack (for certain melee weapons)

 

Tough decision...

  Zen_Blade

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OP  5/01/12 4:49:17 PM#44
Originally posted by Deolus

I haven't touched Tera as I don't like the way it sexually portrays its characters.

So you have not given me any option to vote for.

Note I created this poll to discuss the combat, if you want to discuss the game as a whole or other aspects outside of combat, you're in the wrong thread.

  ta_erog

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5/01/12 4:50:31 PM#45

 

Mr. I just did the GW2 Beta . .  

And just relaying the facts.     You can't spam a Auto attack . .   OK?  it starts then it keeps going.  Hitting the key fast does you no good . .thus spamming is not even an option. 

Also, just using the auto attack is a quick way to die or drag out a combat forever.  So IF people are doing so they do so in ignorance.

What you might have saw is low level people just learning a new weapon.  If so they only have the first attack and will quickly open up the next 4 for that weapon.

Also switching weapons/aspects is VERY important for combat.  (most have not realise this yet)

Note I have not played TERA and have no comment at all on it's game play.  I am sure it is just fine.  I just wanted to make sure completely bogus statements and exaggerations and untruths about GW2 are kept to a minimum.


 

  PulsarMan

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5/01/12 4:53:27 PM#46
Originally posted by Airwren
Originally posted by Verterdegete
Originally posted by Vunak23

 

 

You can't faceroll your way through the game like you can in GW2.

 

 

Actually, GW2 is quite a bit more difficult than TERA...

Agreed, I have yet to watch anyone be "challenged" by anything I've seen in Tera so far.  The levelling and questing is most definitely facerolling from what I've seen.  Having said that I have yet to see any large scale pvp or end game raids where things might actually be difficult.  Anyone whose claiming that combat in Tera is a challenge (at least as far as levelling is concerned) is either a terribad or flat out lying.

Questing and leveling in Tera is not very difficult. As a lancer, I can pretty much fight my way through just about anything in the open world. Though there are a number of 5 man quests that I would prefer not to solo, as it tends to take a long time with my low ass damage. I only survive because I can block. If I miss a few blocks, I can easily end up having to run back. Some of the larger monsters, and BAM's will kill you fairly quickly. 

The ease of leveling (At least in the earlier stages. I cannot comment on the later zones just yet.) is at least partly attributed to the fact that they give you a lot of shit to do. After level 13-15 or so, you have 3 sub zones you can choose from. Large amounts of quests you can skip entirely. Choosing different paths for alts and such if you deisre. There's also typically a few larger monsters that grant sizable xp, which a few friends and I grind on from time to time. They do have quests tied to them, and usually drop desired runes, so the effort is worthwhile. All of this said, I am almost always a far higher level than the quests and mobs I am running through. (The completionist in me.) Currently, I am making efforts to blow through the story quests, so I can reach the approperiate level content. But yes, it is pretty easy poking things to death when I am 3-5 levels higher. 

Dungeons on the other hand are a bit more difficult. As is typical with any mmo. Party members need to know their roles. Need to know when to back up. When to stun. Where to stand. It's not rocket science, but a slip can wreck your party pretty quickly. Overall, I really enjoy the dungeons. 

A side note - I do always see comments about combat rooting and such. It's intentional, and makes sense. Without it, I imagine a guy flinging a great sword all around while circle strafing all over the place. Or ranged classes that are entirely impossible to catch. I can think of very few combat games where you're not vunerable for a moment after completing a chain of attacks. If you make an attack, you're vunerable to damage. So, make it count.

I'm not going to join in on the GW2 vs TERA battle. I've played both, and plan to continue to do so until I get bored and move onto the next new shiny game. If you can't, or would rather not play two games...pick which ever appeals to you more. They're both quite good so far. :) 

Have fun! :D

  Excession

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5/01/12 4:55:23 PM#47

I found the combat in GW2 to be better than Tera's, but I think they both dropped the ball.

If they combined their combat systems, such as, if Tera allowed moving while attacking and actively dodging, and GW2 made you actually aim, I think both games would benefit, and be much better combat wise.

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  Deolus

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5/01/12 4:58:46 PM#48
Originally posted by bruuss
Originally posted by Deolus
*snip*

Note I created this poll to discuss the combat, if you want to discuss the game as a whole or other aspects outside of combat, you're in the wrong thread.

You are right of course, I shouldn't have posted off-topic and I apologize. I will edit my original post.

  nolic1

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5/01/12 5:02:21 PM#49

I'll bite on this I pllayed all 3 betas for tera I could get into did alot of the beta content up to lvvl allowed and most of the time all I did on my slayer was grab alot of mobs and AoE them dowm not once even in instances did my health ever drop below 80% during all my play time and I think I died 2 times while afk. Now in GW2 no I did not 1 key it I used alot of my skills and weapon swapping didnt dodge except every once in a while but in all I liked GW2 combat alot more then Tera.

To me Tera played like DDO with a mix of TR:DL games hot bar and it didnt flow right with me as to where GW2 had a completely new approch to combat using the old style mixed with something else. I spent alot of time in both games well one I have beta tested way to many games that are card board cut outs of the EQ/WoW combat so anytime a game brings new combat to the table I like it mostly. I did like Teras combat but thats it I felt my hand hold quest thing and almost couldn't stand it but bared with it cause I read it got better but they even lead you the the instances right to the door even and didnt feel like I was exploring the game but was being lead in the game.

I am tired of this style of play and like what GW2 had to offer there, But for combat as I said Guildwars had somekind of new style I like and will stick with it unless someone makes a game with DCUO combat in a fantasy setting then I will be all over that.


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  Mahavishnu

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5/01/12 5:04:29 PM#50

The combat-system is very good in both games. Why is there such a fight on this topic? I prefer GW2 for its overall content-design. But to say that the combat is bad in one of these two MMOs is simply stupid.

But there are just too many fanboys of both games trolling aroung the forums.

However, thank you WardTheGreat for your cool Warrior-Video! You play very well. I have seen a few Videos so far, where Warrior owns other classes using sword and shield. I know 2handed-sword is cool, but what about the rifle and its F1-Killshot? I thought, this would be awsome in combat. And I see, that you like to buff yourfels and your allies with fury and might. Crit is always cool, but what do you think about might, is it useful?

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  Zen_Blade

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OP  5/01/12 5:06:38 PM#51
Just a reminder from the OP, that this is about the COMBAT of both games, not so much about the games as a whole, there's a ton of those threads already out there, and I'm not trying to rehash that.  I'm just curious about what people think about each games combat systems and how you the players enjoy (or do not) each of these systems.  Thanks, keep the discussion going!
  Zen_Blade

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OP  5/01/12 5:07:47 PM#52
Originally posted by Deolus
Originally posted by bruuss
Originally posted by Deolus
*snip*

Note I created this poll to discuss the combat, if you want to discuss the game as a whole or other aspects outside of combat, you're in the wrong thread.

You are right of course, I shouldn't have posted off-topic and I apologize. I will edit my original post.

No problem, not trying to be an ass to anyone giving input, just want to keep it mostly on topic.  Thanks!

  Chrisbox

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5/01/12 5:07:52 PM#53
Im sorry but TERA's combat is highly superior. Aiming every skill is not only much more fun, but takes loads more skill.  [Mod Edit]

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  Kuppa

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5/01/12 5:09:07 PM#54
Originally posted by Chrisbox
Im sorry but TERA's combat is highly superior.

We are trying to have a discussion, maybe some more thoughts would be nice 


  Chrisbox

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5/01/12 5:09:55 PM#55
Originally posted by Kuppa
Originally posted by Chrisbox
Im sorry but TERA's combat is highly superior.

We are trying to have a discussion, maybe some more thoughts would be nice 

edited.

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  BizkitNL

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5/01/12 5:12:05 PM#56

GW2's and TERA's combat are vastly different from another.

That said, both are vastly different from traditional MMO's combat as well.

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  Chrisbox

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5/01/12 5:17:21 PM#57
Originally posted by Eir_S
Originally posted by Chrisbox
Originally posted by Eir_S
Originally posted by Chrisbox
Im sorry but TERA's combat is highly superior. Aiming every skill is not only much more fun, but takes loads more skill.  The only reason this poll will be won by GW2 is because there are way more GW2 fanboys on here then people with honest opinions.

That's not very constructive, buddy.  How do you know that most people don't prefer GW2's combat?  Because you don't?  Sorry but that's kind of arrogant.

I dont know how much you are on these forums, but I think its apparent to anyone who signs in on a daily basis that GW2 has a ridiculous amount of fanboys.  Now im not a GW2 hater, I actually like the game alot.  Just facing facts.

No you're not, you're calling people dishonest because they don't subscribe to the same idea you do.  That's nothing to do with facts.  You don't have any statistics on who is or isn't being honest, so add something to the discussion or leave.

False.  Obviously for discussion one person's opinion is only ment to contribute to said discussion, I stated why TERA's combat was superior for me, There was my contribution.  As far as the poll comment goes once again, I know for fact if you were ignorant enough to go out and find the amount of people that will support GW2 to death and not pay attention to facts vs. the amount that will do those for TERA, GW2 would be the winner. 

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  Loke666

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5/01/12 5:20:28 PM#58

GW2 but both are good.

Teras combat system can evolve into something very interesting if they put enough love into it, it is a pretty good game but I felt more blood and guts in GW2.

  Jayaris

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5/01/12 5:38:33 PM#59

I think you'll have a hard time finding anyone unbias on these forums, I think you may aswell ask what game do you prefer GW2 or TERA and your results would be the same. I have not played Guild Wars 2, I have watched Beta Weekend streams (I would never pay for a game to play the beta) and I have my own opinion on it whatever it may be. But, having not experience it personally I can't make any sound observations that would be worth sharing - So I won't even talk about GW2 combat.

People will say anything from TERA is clunky to animation locked to terrible, the combat system isn't terrible by any stretch of the imagination. But, people do love to exaggerate and now a days it seems like a scale of 1-10 only actually includes 1, 7 and 10. Because I like the combat in TERA you can take everything I say as driven in bias, I am ofcoursed biased into liking Tera's combat because I like TERA's combat - It's a vested interest.

People don't understand why there is Animation lock, they think you should have full control of your character at all times. If you don't like animation lock (there are a multitude of games that are designed to include it) then you won't like this combat system, chances are you don't like action games in general. I like animation lock for the following reasons :

- It makes attacks more tangible, being able to hurl spells while running just feels implausible a warrior would realistically have momentum to consider.

- It makes landing your attacks more important.

- It's helps balance the classes.

I know that in World of Warcraft melee characters did not have charge attacks and they could auto-attack and do w/e in the space of a few milliseconds, perhaps you don't want realism in your combat - Personally I enjoy it.

The combat for me reminds me of a less fluid more simplistic (for ranged characters) version of Demon's Souls - And I particularly love that being that DeS and DaS are two of my favorite games.

This also allows me to enjoy boss battles much more, the bosses can be more active and you can have more opportunity to avoid attacks and play intelligently as opposed to having pre-fixed damage or your health going down randomly without you understanding why.

Combat to me is a lot clearer and visceral than in other MMO's, in almost every other MMO I've played (Save Top-Down 2.5D asian MMO's (Legends of Mir etc.)) and I just much prefer it. It's cleaner and it's how it should look, I shouldn't have to look at it from a numbers perspective and know that, that pathetic attack animation and the direction he is facing means that he is taking damage.

I can see what is happening and not rely on meta-information to interpret what is happening.

I haven't had that much experience with PvP so I can't really say, the fights I've had I've very much enjoyed and I look forward to learning new skills and having more dynamic fights in the future. 

GW2 won't be out for a while and I like TERA so I'll play TERA and I'll try GW2 when it's finished.

If anyone is reading this thread because they are interested in either game I would take all the opinions with a grain of salt, not everybody has the good grace to tell you that they haven't had enough experience playing a game to judge it - They would much rather say it is terrible to promote their own game over it.

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5/01/12 5:44:34 PM#60
Originally posted by Jayaris

I think you'll have a hard time finding anyone unbias on these forums, I think you may aswell ask what game do you prefer GW2 or TERA and your results would be the same. I have not played Guild Wars 2, I have watched Beta Weekend streams (I would never pay for a game to play the beta) and I have my own opinion on it whatever it may be. But, having not experience it personally I can't make any sound observations that would be worth sharing - So I won't even talk about GW2 combat.

People will say anything from TERA is clunky to animation locked to terrible, the combat system isn't terrible by any stretch of the imagination. But, people do love to exaggerate and now a days it seems like a scale of 1-10 only actually includes 1, 7 and 10. Because I like the combat in TERA you can take everything I say as driven in bias, I am ofcoursed biased into liking Tera's combat because I like TERA's combat - It's a vested interest.

People don't understand why there is Animation lock, they think you should have full control of your character at all times. If you don't like animation lock (there are a multitude of games that are designed to include it) then you won't like this combat system, chances are you don't like action games in general. I like animation lock for the following reasons :

- It makes attacks more tangible, being able to hurl spells while running just feels implausible a warrior would realistically have momentum to consider.

- It makes landing your attacks more important.

- It's helps balance the classes.

I know that in World of Warcraft melee characters did not have charge attacks and they could auto-attack and do w/e in the space of a few milliseconds, perhaps you don't want realism in your combat - Personally I enjoy it.

The combat for me reminds me of a less fluid more simplistic (for ranged characters) version of Demon's Souls - And I particularly love that being that DeS and DaS are two of my favorite games.

This also allows me to enjoy boss battles much more, the bosses can be more active and you can have more opportunity to avoid attacks and play intelligently as opposed to having pre-fixed damage or your health going down randomly without you understanding why.

Combat to me is a lot clearer and visceral than in other MMO's, in almost every other MMO I've played (Save Top-Down 2.5D asian MMO's (Legends of Mir etc.)) and I just much prefer it. It's cleaner and it's how it should look, I shouldn't have to look at it from a numbers perspective and know that, that pathetic attack animation and the direction he is facing means that he is taking damage.

I can see what is happening and not rely on meta-information to interpret what is happening.

I haven't had that much experience with PvP so I can't really say, the fights I've had I've very much enjoyed and I look forward to learning new skills and having more dynamic fights in the future. 

GW2 won't be out for a while and I like TERA so I'll play TERA and I'll try GW2 when it's finished.

If anyone is reading this thread because they are interested in either game I would take all the opinions with a grain of salt, not everybody has the good grace to tell you that they haven't had enough experience playing a game to judge it - They would much rather say it is terrible to promote their own game over it.

I do like Tera's combat, although I do believe it could be better. The question I have is, how many action games like you mention, have ranged combat were you can aim, have skills and cooldowns??


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