Originally posted by Puremallace

Only reason I am holding off is the end game feels like "been there..done that" to me. Alot of you might think I am trolling, but this feels like Aion to me with dyanamic events. Everything I see described about end game just sounds like Aion where I will sit on my thumb twiddling it waiting for something to do.

 

The pvp was shit, but the end game was 5 mans and that was it.

You got to max level during the Beta weekend ?

Originally posted by Ashen_X

You got to max level during the Beta weekend ?

That is what is pissing me off. I do not give two shits about the lore or how big the cities are. I care about end game and all I see is 5 mans for pve.

u really only see pve as late game? what about WvWvW and team vs team pvp?

end game of GW2 will have TONS of things to do.

If u really enjoy pve dont worry u prob will get to lvl 80 without exploring lots of areas of GW2 world

Originally posted by SuperXero89
We can cancel our pre-orders?  How?

If you contact support, you may be able to get a refund even if you pre-purchased.  I pre-purchased the game, and I am getting a refund.  I have the e-mails from NCSoft to prove it.  

Now, my problem with the game turned out to be a hardware issue even though my computer met the minimum requirements listed on the site.  Anyway, I may be getting a refund only because of the hardware issue, but I am getting one.  So, yeah, try contacting NCSoft support.

Originally posted by Puremallace

Originally posted by Ashen_X

You got to max level during the Beta weekend ?

That is what is pissing me off. I do not give two shits about the lore or how big the cities are. I care about end game and all I see is 5 mans for pve.

 There are more than just 5-man content , but given you feel so strongly about 5mans .... you probably shouldn't play Gw2. I don't see much raiding, if any at all end game ( not sure if random Dragons count). I see this is as PvP game with engaging pve to get me to 80.

The game wasn't as entertaining as I hoped it would be, but I won't be cancelling the game for 2 reasons. Firstly, the game is still in beta stages and could/will change as the development of the game progresses. Secondly, the game only cost $59.99, so it doesn't concern me too much.

Originally posted by Puremallace

Originally posted by Ashen_X

You got to max level during the Beta weekend ?

That is what is pissing me off. I do not give two shits about the lore or how big the cities are. I care about end game and all I see is 5 mans for pve.

     Rest assured, within five minutes of playing my Norn thief I was in a 15+ man raid against a giant ice wurm. Are they called raids? no, but they provide that same epic feel I believe you are craving.

     PvE in this game actually has more "raids" than I've ever seen in an MMO. You just don't have to sit around and wait for a group. Run to the event and jump into the combat. The raid will form around you as more people answer the DE call.

    The final PvE areas are designated to have the most impactful DE's in the game and the most difficult.

Originally posted by Puremallace

Originally posted by Ashen_X

You got to max level during the Beta weekend ?

That is what is pissing me off. I do not give two shits about the lore or how big the cities are. I care about end game and all I see is 5 mans for pve.

I used to be just like you until i realized that the "endgame gear tredmill grind" became silly to me.  I'm at a phase where i want more than to just log in twice a week to clear bosses, which is all i did in Rift.  Don't get me wrong, i enjoyed racking up server firsts in that game and i feel that it's really a great game that does raiding top notch.  Hell, if it were not for GW2, i'd still be playing it.

With that statement, it's evident that you're stuck in the old mentality which is fine in an of itself.  I don't see why anyone would move to another game if they had no interest in lore, exploration, or anything outside of raids.

Originally posted by Nightshade55

Originally posted by Puremallace

Originally posted by Ashen_X

You got to max level during the Beta weekend ?

That is what is pissing me off. I do not give two shits about the lore or how big the cities are. I care about end game and all I see is 5 mans for pve.

     Rest assured, within five minutes of playing my Norn thief I was in a 15+ man raid against a giant ice wurm. Are they called raids? no, but they provide that same epic feel I believe you are craving.

     PvE in this game actually has more "raids" than I've ever seen in an MMO. You just don't have to sit around and wait for a group. Run to the event and jump into the combat. The raid will form around you as more people answer the DE call.

    The final PvE areas are designated to have the most impactful DE's in the game and the most difficult.

Pretty much like how a rift is handled in Rift.

Originally posted by Nightshade55

Originally posted by Puremallace

Originally posted by Ashen_X

You got to max level during the Beta weekend ?

That is what is pissing me off. I do not give two shits about the lore or how big the cities are. I care about end game and all I see is 5 mans for pve.

     Rest assured, within five minutes of playing my Norn thief I was in a 15+ man raid against a giant ice wurm. Are they called raids? no, but they provide that same epic feel I believe you are craving.

 While I share your enjoyment of the Norn tutorial ... it can't be compared to a raid, at all .... what so ever. It would literally detract from his enjoyment of the game if he bought it with that in mind, got in and saw what it actually was.

The De's are enjoyable never the less.

Originally posted by Redemp

Originally posted by Puremallace

Originally posted by Ashen_X

You got to max level during the Beta weekend ?

That is what is pissing me off. I do not give two shits about the lore or how big the cities are. I care about end game and all I see is 5 mans for pve.

 There are more than just 5-man content , but given you feel so strongly about 5mans .... you probably shouldn't play Gw2. I don't see much raiding, if any at all end game ( not sure if random Dragons count). I see this is as PvP game with engaging pve to get me to 80.

     You might be a little misleading there. I don't know about you but on my norn I participated in over five raids in the first hour. They aren't actually called raids but I was fighting against an enemy, or swarms of them, with dozens of players.

     I expect the endgame to be no different especially sense those are the areas reserved for the truly difficult DE's and the most impactful ones. I hardly went a single hour without being involved in a raid the entire weekend.

Originally posted by Nightshade55

Originally posted by Redemp

Originally posted by Puremallace

Originally posted by Ashen_X

You got to max level during the Beta weekend ?

That is what is pissing me off. I do not give two shits about the lore or how big the cities are. I care about end game and all I see is 5 mans for pve.

 There are more than just 5-man content , but given you feel so strongly about 5mans .... you probably shouldn't play Gw2. I don't see much raiding, if any at all end game ( not sure if random Dragons count). I see this is as PvP game with engaging pve to get me to 80.

     You might be a little misleading there. I don't know about you but on my norn I participated in over five raids in the first hour. They aren't actually called raids but I was fighting against an enemy, or swarms of them, with dozens of players.

     I expect the endgame to be no different especially sense those are the areas reserved for the truly difficult DE's and the most impactful ones. I hardly went a single hour without being involved in a raid the entire weekend.

I don't consider them the same thing at all, see the above. If he's looking for a raid like experience ... he won't find it in the De's I encountered up to level 20. I think it would be doing  him and the game a disservice to sell De's as "raid experiences"

Originally posted by Puremallace

Originally posted by Ashen_X

You got to max level during the Beta weekend ?

That is what is pissing me off. I do not give two shits about the lore or how big the cities are. I care about end game and all I see is 5 mans for pve.

So you think end game is instances with 24 man groups right there bosses in the world that can have 100 players fighting it then theres yes 5 man dungeons that have explorer modes to them that make a wow instance look like candy land wait they are all ready. Really you people saying no end game need to get out of the 24 man raids and try playing the game in the real world then being couped up in a instance with one path to follow. 

I didnt get to try the dungeons myself yet but had some epic world boss fights with some groups that where 30+ players not just me and 23 or less others. I also did boss fights with 3 others and some with one other and guess what none of them where easy at all. No face rolling or just hitting 123 the whole time I had to really play the game to finish these.

Sorry you dont see the fun in this I dont see the fun in games that you do nothing but raid and instances in them and I cant stand doing only that. I got a huge world to play in not just 3 instances and one raid like most games but a whole world and some dungeons that I can run all I want and not be stuck waiting for the next batch to come out. So theres 800+ games that catter to that style of play some are pay to play the rest F2P pick one and have fun. Owe and when you understand the gear tredmill is in everygame to date thats out on the market even except a selet few then you will see why so many are happy about guild wars.

Originally posted by Redemp

Originally posted by Nightshade55

Originally posted by Puremallace

Originally posted by Ashen_X

You got to max level during the Beta weekend ?

That is what is pissing me off. I do not give two shits about the lore or how big the cities are. I care about end game and all I see is 5 mans for pve.

     Rest assured, within five minutes of playing my Norn thief I was in a 15+ man raid against a giant ice wurm. Are they called raids? no, but they provide that same epic feel I believe you are craving.

 While I share your enjoyment of the Norn tutorial ... it can't be compared to a raid, at all .... what so ever. It would literally detract from his enjoyment of the game if he bought it with that in mind, got in and saw what it actually was.

The De's are enjoyable never the less.

 

   Haha sorry, I didn't notice you had responded to what I said. Respectfully where do you note the difference? All I see is I'm playing with dozens of players to take down hard encounters without any of the annoying build up that that usually requires.

     Unless, of course, a person enjoys sitting in town for hours attempting to gather ineterest. I saw raid quality content there without any need to sit around and gather up members. I just went in and the raid formed around me.

Originally posted by Puremallace

Originally posted by Ashen_X

You got to max level during the Beta weekend ?

That is what is pissing me off. I do not give two shits about the lore or how big the cities are. I care about end game and all I see is 5 mans for pve.

So a 7 day hardcore raid schedule is good end game content? No thanks... There are plenty of raid grind fest MMOs out there... If that is what you are looking for this is not the game for you. 

World bosses reminicent of EQ that take scores of players, WvWvW, PvP tournaments, and exploration dungeons... Yes end game sounds practically void of content. 

Originally posted by Puremallace

Originally posted by Ashen_X

You got to max level during the Beta weekend ?

That is what is pissing me off. I do not give two shits about the lore or how big the cities are. I care about end game and all I see is 5 mans for pve.

I don't see a reason to be "pissed off".  There are games out there that do the raiding thing already.  Why not play them?

Originally posted by Nightshade55

Originally posted by Redemp

Originally posted by Nightshade55

Originally posted by Puremallace

Originally posted by Ashen_X

You got to max level during the Beta weekend ?

That is what is pissing me off. I do not give two shits about the lore or how big the cities are. I care about end game and all I see is 5 mans for pve.

     Rest assured, within five minutes of playing my Norn thief I was in a 15+ man raid against a giant ice wurm. Are they called raids? no, but they provide that same epic feel I believe you are craving.

 While I share your enjoyment of the Norn tutorial ... it can't be compared to a raid, at all .... what so ever. It would literally detract from his enjoyment of the game if he bought it with that in mind, got in and saw what it actually was.

The De's are enjoyable never the less.

 

   Haha sorry, I didn't notice you had responded to what I said. Respectfully where do you note the difference? All I see is I'm playing with dozens of players to take down hard encounters without any of the annoying build up that that usually requires.

     Unless, of course, a person enjoys sitting in town for hours attempting to gather ineterest. I saw raid quality content there without any need to sit around and gather up members. I just went in and the raid formed around me.

 I don't consider DE's raid like experiences for a few reason

1. They scale to the amount of players present.

2. They only reward experience, with slightly increased chance to drop the odd item. ( Out of the many De's I did over the BWE only one dropped an upgrade from the Boss)

3. They can be zerged down.

4. They are not designed as a time sink for end game players. ( This is coming from an old EQ player that remembers what real raiding was )

 Its personal opinion really, I can't dictate what they are to you .. they may indeed be raid like. I'm going to go out on a limb and say they aren't what Pure would call a raid though.

Edit * I enjoy Gw2's DE's ... but if someone told me Rift had tons of raids, then said a rift event is a raid... I'd be rather irked if I bought the title.

Originally posted by Puremallace

Originally posted by Ashen_X

You got to max level during the Beta weekend ?

That is what is pissing me off. I do not give two shits about the lore or how big the cities are. I care about end game and all I see is 5 mans for pve.

It doesn't take a lot of research to figure out what GW2 is and what it is not.

They're putting in 8 5-man dungeons, 3 of which are for level 80 characters, each with an easier "story mode" and an "explorer mode" that has multiple completion paths as well as random events that can occur. It has outdoor bosses and mini-bosses that spawn as part of DE chains and scale to number of participants in both abilities and health. And who knows what else ANet has thrown in there. Given the size of the map, the dynamic nature of events, the replayability of different areas due to downleveling, and the fact that no matter where you're at level-appropriate items drop for you, there are literally hundreds of hours of PvE content available, maybe more.

What they are not putting in is a gear-treadmill or a classic tiered raiding-style end game. The most you can find is grinding for dungeon sets or gear with particular stat allocation. That's it.

Clearly you are indicating that this is not the kind of experience that you are looking for. In fact, you make it a point to go on GW2 threads to declare this seemingly every day.

What isn't clear is why. Why are you complaining that the game is not what you want it to be? Why aren't you satisfied with Rift or any other traditional MMO? What is stopping you from saying "Hmm, this game isn't for me" and simply walking away? And why do you seem so angry about the whole thing? It's a game, right?

Originally posted by Charlizzard

 What is stopping you from saying "Hmm, this game isn't for me" and simply walking away?

He's known what GW2 is for a year or more, yet strangely his complaints never change.