Trending Games | Villagers and Heroes | World of Warcraft | Landmark | Guild Wars 2

  Network:  FPSguru RTSguru
Login:  Password:   Remember?  
Show Quick Gamelist Jump to Random Game
Members:2,920,077 Users Online:0
Games:760  Posts:6,310,718
Recent forum postsRSS
Active threads
Cloud view
List all forums
General Forums
Developers Corner General Discussion
Popular Game Forums
Click a status to find game forum
Game Forums
Click a letter to find game forum
A-C
2029 Online 2112: Revolution 2Moons 4Story 8BitMMO 9 Dragons A Mystical Land A Tale in the Desert III A3 ACE Online ARGO Online Aberoth Absolute Force Online Absolute Terror Achaea Adellion Aerrevan Aetolia, the Midnight Age Age of Armor Age of Conan Age of Empires Online Age of Mourning Age of Wulin Age of Wushu Aida Arenas Aika Aion Albion Online Alganon All Points Bulletin (APB) Allods Online Altis Gates Amazing World Anarchy Online Ancients of Fasaria Andromeda 5 Angels Online Angry Birds Epic Anime Ninja Anime Pirates Anime Trumps Anmynor Anno Online Applo Arcane Hearts Arcane Legends ArchLord ArcheAge Archeblade Archlord X Ascend: Hand of Kul Asda 2 Asda Story Ashen Empires Asheron's Call Asheron's Call 2 Astera Online Astonia III Astro Empires Astro Lords: Oort CLoud Asura Force Atlantica Online Atriarch Aura Kingdom Aurora Blade Auto Assault Avatar Star Battle Dawn Battle Dawn Galaxies Battle for Graxia Battle of 3 Kingdoms Battle of the Immortals Battlecruiser Online Battlestar Galactica Online Battlestar Reloaded Beyond Protocol Black Aftermath Black Desert Black Gold Black Prophecy Black Prophecy Tactics: Nexus Conflict Blacklight Retribution Blade & Soul Blade Hunter Blade Wars Blazing Throne Bless Blitz 1941 Blood and Jade Bloodlines Champions Boot Hill Heroes Borderlands 2 Borderlands: The Pre-Sequel Bound by Flame Bounty Bay Online Brain Storm Bravada Bravely Default Bravely Second Brawl Busters. Brick-Force Bright Shadow Bullet Run Business Tycoon Online CTRacer Cabal Online Caesary Call of Camelot Call of Gods Call of Thrones Camelot Unchained Canaan Online Cardmon Hero Cartoon Universe CasinoRPG Cast & Conquer Castle Empire Castlot Celtic Heroes Champions Online Champions of Regnum Chaos Online Child of Light Chrono Tales Citadel of Sorcery CitiesXL Citizen Zero City of Decay City of Heroes City of Steam City of Transformers City of Villains Civilization Online Clan Lord Clash of Clans Cloud Nine Club Penguin Colony of War Command & Conquer: Tiberium Alliances Company of Heroes Online Conquer Online Conquer Online 3 Continent of the Ninth (C9) Core Blaze Core Exiles Corum Online Craft of Gods Crimecraft Crimelife 2 Cronous Crota II Crusaders of Solaris Cultures Online Cyber Monster 2 Cyberpunk 2077 Céiron Wars
D-F
D&D Online DC Universe DK Online DOTA DOTA 2 DUST 514 DV8: Exile Dalethaan Dance Groove Online Dark Age of Camelot Dark Ages Dark Legends Dark Orbit Dark Relic: Prelude Dark Solstice Dark Souls 2 Dark and Light DarkEden Online DarkSpace Darkblood Online Darkest Dungeon Darkfall Darkfall: Unholy Wars Darkwind: War on Wheels Das Tal Dawn of Fantasy Dawntide DayZ Dead Earth Dead Frontier Dead Island Dead Island 2 Dead Island: Riptide Deco Online Deep Down Deepworld Defiance Deicide Online Dekaron Demons at the Horizon Desert Operations Destiny Diablo 3 Diamonin Digimon Battle Dino Storm Disciple Divergence Divina Divine Souls Divinity: Original Sin Dofus Dominus Online Dragon Age: Inquisition Dragon Ball Online Dragon Born Online Dragon Crusade Dragon Empires Dragon Eternity Dragon Fin Soup Dragon Nest Dragon Oath Dragon Pals Dragon Raja Dragon's Call Dragon's Call II Dragon's Prophet DragonSky DragonSoul Dragona Dragonica Dragons and Titans Drakengard 3 Dream of Mirror Online Dreamland Online Dreamlords: The Reawakening Drift City Duels Dungeon Blitz Dungeon Fighter Online Dungeon Overlord Dungeon Party Dungeon Rampage Dungeon Runners Dungeon of the Endless Dynastica Dynasty Warriors Online Dynasty of the Magi EIN (Epicus Incognitus) EVE Online Earth Eternal Earth and Beyond Earthrise Eclipse War Ecol Tactics Online Eden Eternal Edge of Space Einherjar - The Viking's Blood Elder Scrolls Online Eldevin Elf Online Elite: Dangerous Embers of Caerus Emil Chronicle Online Empire Empire & State Empire Craft Empire Universe 3 EmpireQuest Empires of Galldon End of Nations Endless Ages Endless Blue Moon Online Endless Online Entropia Universe EpicDuel Erebus: Travia Reborn Eredan Eternal Blade Eternal Lands Eternal Saga Ether Fields Ether Saga Online Eudemons Online EuroGangster EverEmber Online EverQuest Next EverQuest Online Adventures Evernight Everquest Everquest II Evony Exarch Exorace F.E.A.R. Online Face of Mankind Fairyland Online Fall of Rome Fallen Earth Fallen Sword Fallout 4 Fallout Online Family Guy Online Fantage Fantasy Earth Zero Fantasy Realm Online Fantasy Tales Online Fantasy Worlds: Rhynn Faunasphere Faxion Online Fearless Fantasy Ferentus Ferion Fiesta Online Final Fantasy Type-0 HD Final Fantasy XI Final Fantasy XIV Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn Firefall Fists of Fu Florensia Flyff Football Manager Live Football Superstars Force of Arms Forge Forsaken Uprising Forsaken World Fortnite Fortuna Forum for Discussion of Everlight Freaky Creatures Free Realms Freesky Online Freeworld Fung Wan Online Furcadia Fury Fusion Fall
G-L
GalaXseeds Galactic Command Online Game of Thrones: Seven Kingdoms Gameglobe Gate To Heavens Gates of Andaron Gatheryn Gauntlet Gekkeiju Online Ghost Online Ghost Recon Online Gladiatus Glitch Global Agenda Global Soccer Gloria Victis Glory of Gods GoGoRacer Goal Line Blitz Gods and Heroes GodsWar Online Golemizer Golf Star GoonZu Online Graal Kingdoms Granado Espada Online Grand Chase Grand Fantasia Grepolis Grimlands Guild Wars Guild Wars 2 Guild Wars Factions Guild Wars Nightfall H1Z1 Habbo Hotel Hailan Rising HaloSphere2 Haven & Hearth Hawken Heart Forth Alicia Hearthstone: Heroes of Warcraft Helbreath Hellgate Hellgate: London Hello Kitty Online Hero Online Hero Zero Hero's Journey Hero: 108 Online HeroSmash Heroes & Generals Heroes & Legends: Conquerors of Kolhar Heroes in the Sky Heroes of Atlan Heroes of Bestia Heroes of Gaia Heroes of Might and Magic Online Heroes of Thessalonica Heroes of Three Kingdoms Heroes of the Storm Hex Holic Online Hostile Space Hunter Blade Huxley Icewind Dale: Enhanced Edition Illutia Illyriad Immortals USA Imperator Imperian Inferno Legend Infestation: Survivor Stories Infinite Crisis Infinity Infinity Iris Online Iron Grip: Marauders Irth Worlds Island Forge Islands of War Istaria: Chronicles of the Gifted Jade Dynasty Jagged Alliance Online Juggernaut Jumpgate Jumpgate Evolution KAL Online Kakele Online Kaos War Karos Online Kartuga Kicks Online King of Kings 3 Kingdom Heroes Kingdom Under Fire II Kingdom of Drakkar Kingory Kings Era Kings and Legends Kings of the Realm KingsRoad Kitsu Saga Kiwarriors Knight Age Knight Online Knights of Dream City Kothuria Kung Foo! Kunlun Online Kyn L.A.W. LEGO Universe La Tale Land of Chaos Online Landmark Lands of Hope: Redemption LastChaos League of Angels League of Legends - Clash of Fates Legend of Edda: Vengeance Legend of Golden Plume Legend of Grimrock 2 Legend of Katha Legend of Mir 2 Legend of Mir 3 Legendary Champions Lego Minifigures Online Lichdom: Battlemage Life is Feudal Light of Nova Lime Odyssey Line of Defense Lineage Lineage Eternal: Twilight Resistance Lineage II Linkrealms Loong Online Lord of the Rings Online Lords Online Lords of the Fallen Lost Saga Lucent Heart Lunia Lusternia: Age of Ascension Luvinia World
M-Q
MU Online Mabinogi Maestia: Rise of Keledus MagiKnights Magic Barrage Magic World Online Manga Fighter MapleStory Martial Heroes Marvel Heroes Marvel Super Hero Squad Online Marvel: Avengers Alliance Mass Effect 4 MechWarrior Online Megaten Meridian 59 : Evolution Merlin MetalMercs Metaplace Metin 2 MicroVolts Middle-earth: Shadow of Mordor Midkemia Online Might & Magic Heroes: Kingdoms Might & Magic X: Legacy MilMo Minecraft Mini Fighter Minions of Mirth Ministry of War Monato Esprit Monkey King Online Monkey Quest Monster & Me Monster Madness Online MonsterMMORPG Moonlight Online: Tales of Eternal Blood Moonrise Mordavia Mortal Online Mourning My Lands Myst Online: URU Live Myth Angels Online Myth War Myth War 2 Mythborne Mytheon Mythic Saga Mythos N.E.O Online NIDA Online Nadirim Naviage: The Power of Capital Navy Field Need for Speed World Nemexia Neo's Land NeoSteam Neocron Nether Neverwinter Nexus: The Kingdom Of The Winds NinjaTrick NosTale Novus Aeterno Oberin Odin Quest Odyssey RPG Ogre Island Omerta 3 Online Boxing Manager Onverse Oort Online Order & Chaos Online Order of Magic Original Blood Origins Return Origins of Malu Orion's Belt Otherland Forums OverSoul Overkings Overwatch Oz Online Oz World Pandora Saga Pantheon: Rise of the Fallen Panzar Parabellum Parallel Kingdom Parfait Station Path of Exile Pathfinder Online Perfect World Perpetuum Online Persona V Phantasy Star Online 2 Phantasy Star Universe Phoenix Dynasty Online Phylon Pi Story Picaroon Pillars of Eternity Pirate Galaxy Pirate Storm Pirate101 PirateKing Online Pirates of the Burning Sea Pirates of the Caribbean Online Pixie Hollow Planeshift Planet Arkadia Planet Calypso PlanetSide 2 Planetside Planets³ Playboy Manager Pocket Legends Pockie Ninja Pockie Pirates Pockie Saints Pokémon X and Y PoxNora Prime World Prime: Battle for Dominus Priston Tale Priston Tale II Prius Online Prodigy Project Blackout Project Gorgon Project Powder Project Titan Forums Project Wiki Project Zomboid Puzzle Pirates Quest for Infamy Quickhit Football
R-S
R2 Online RAN Online RF Online ROSE Online Rage of 3 Kingdoms Ragnarok Online Ragnarok Online II RaiderZ Rail Nation Rakion Rappelz RappelzSEA Ravenmarch Realm Fighter Realm of Sierra Realm of the Mad God Realm of the Titans Realms Online Rebel Galaxy Reclamation Red Stone Red War: Edem's Curse Regnum Online Remnant Knights Renaissance Repulse Requiem: Memento Mori Rift RiotZone Rise Rise of Dragonian Era Rise of Empire Rise of the Tycoon Risen 3: Titan Lords Rising of King Risk Your Life Rivality Rockfree Rohan: Blood Feud Role Play Worlds Roll n Rock Roma Victor Romadoria Rosh Online Roto X Rubies of Eventide Ruin Online Rumble Fighter Runes of Magic Runescape Rust Rusty Hearts Ryzom S4 League SAGA SD Gundam Capsule Fighter Online SMITE SUN Sacred 3 Sagramore Salem SaySayGirls Scarlet Blade Scions of Fate Seal Online: Evolution Second Chance Heroes Second Life Secret of the Solstice Seed Serenia Fantasy Seven Seas Saga Seven Souls Online Sevencore Shadow Realms Shadow of Legend Shadowbane Shadowgate Shadowrun Online Shaiya Shards Online Shattered Galaxy Sho Online Shot Online Shroud of the Avatar SideQuest Siege on Stars Sigonyth: Desert Eternity Silkroad Online Skyblade Skyforge SmashMuck Champions Smoo Online Soldier Front Soul Master Soul Order Online Soul of Guardian South Park: The Stick of Truth Space Heroes Universe Sparta: War of Empires Spellcasters Sphere Spiral Knights Spirit Tales Splash Fighters Squad Wars Star Citizen Star Conflict Star Sonata 2 Star Stable Star Supremacy Star Trek Online Star Trek: Infinite Space Star Wars Galaxies Star Wars: Clone Wars Adventures Star Wars: The Old Republic StarQuest Online Starbound Stargate Worlds Starlight Story Starpires State of Decay SteelWar Online Stone Age 2 Stormfall: Age of War Stormthrone Storybricks Stronghold Kingdoms Styx: Master of Shadows Sudden Attack Supremacy 1914 Supreme Destiny Sword Girls Sword of Destiny: Rise of Aions SwordX Swords of Heavens Swordsman
T-Z
TERA TS Online TUG Tabula Rasa Tactica Online Tales Runner Tales of Fantasy Tales of Pirates Tales of Pirates II Tales of Solaris Talisman Online Tamer Saga Tank Ace Tantra Online Tatsumaki: Land at War Terra Militaris TerraWorld Online Terraria Thang Online The 4th Coming The Agency The Aurora World The Banner Saga The Black Watchmen The Chronicle The Chronicles of Spellborn The Crew The Division The Epic Might The Hammers End The Incredible Adventures of Van Helsing The Incredible Adventures of Van Helsing 2 The Legend of Ares The Lost Titans The Matrix Online The Mighty Quest for Epic Loot The Missing Ink The Mummy Online The Myth of Soma The Pride of Taern The Realm Online The Repopulation The Secret World The Sims Online The Strategems The West The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt Theralon There Therian Saga Thrones of Chaos Tibia Tibia Micro Edition Tiger Knight Titan Siege Titans of Time Toontown Online Top Speed Topia Online Torchlight Torment: Tides of Numenera Total Domination Transformers Universe Transistor Transverse Traveller AR Travia Online Travian Triad Wars Trials of Ascension Tribal Hero Tribal Wars Tribes Universe Trickster Online Trove Troy Online True Fantasy Live Online Turf Battles Twelve Sky Twelve Sky 2 Twilight War Tynon U.B. Funkeys UFO Online URDEAD Online Ultima Forever: Quest for the Avatar Ultima Online Ultima X: Odyssey Ultimate Naruto Ultimate Soccer Boss Uncharted Waters Online Undercover 2: Merc Wars Underlight Unification Wars Universe Online Utopia Valkyrie Sky Vampire Lord Online Vanguard: Saga of Heroes Vanquish Space Vector City Racers Vendetta Online Victory - Age of Racing Vindictus Virtonomics Vis Gladius Visions of Zosimos VoidExpanse Voyage Century Online W.E.L.L. Online WAR (Warhammer Online) WAR2 Glory WYD Global Wakfu War Thunder War of 2012 War of Angels War of Legends War of Mercenaries War of Thrones War of the Immortals WarFlow Waren Story Warflare Wargame1942 Warhammer 40,000: Eternal Crusade Warhammer 40K: Dark Millennium Online Warhammer Online: Wrath of Heroes Warkeepers Warrior Epic Wartune Wasteland 2 WebLords Wild West Online WildStar Wind of Luck WindSlayer 2 Wings of Destiny Wish Wizard101 Wizardry Online Wizards and Champions Wonder King Wonderland Online World Golf Tour World of Battles World of Darkness World of Heroes World of Kung Fu World of Pirates World of Speed World of Tanks World of Tanks Generals World of Warcraft World of Warplanes World of Warriors World of Warships World of the Living Dead WorldAlpha Wurm Online Xenoblade Chronicles: X Xenocell Xiah Xsyon Xulu YS Online Yitien ZU Online Zentia Zero Online Zero Online: The Andromeda Crisis Zodiac Online Zombies Ate My Pizza eRepublik

MMORPG.com Discussion Forums

Guild Wars 2

Guild Wars 2 

General Discussion  » Paid Beta = bad practice

4 Pages « 1 2 3 4 » Search
63 posts found
  musicmann

Advanced Member

Joined: 12/25/05
Posts: 1123

4/28/12 3:56:16 PM#21
Originally posted by stayBlind
Originally posted by musicmann
I agree with the OP. Why take people's money before the game is released. What it tells me is that, even though they have the funds to develope and launch the game they don't have a 100% positive feeling the game will do very well and they want to get that upfront preorder money in case that feeling is correct. kinda underhanded if you ask me.

Or, you know, they are giving people who have been waiting years to play the chance to play it one weekend a month until it releases.

Kind of like a "Hey guys, you were going to buy the game anyways, now you can play a bit before launch ('Cause we know you've been waiting forever!)"


Why would you have to pay for being a loyal fan/follower to a certain mmo that is coming out. If you are confident in your product, then do it the way it always was done. Game goes into alpha stage, invite the very loyal community members. Game goes into closed beta, invite even more. Game goes into open/stress test, invite all. Game launches, customers buys the game.

 

  Anireth

Elite Member

Joined: 1/28/05
Posts: 496

4/28/12 3:58:12 PM#22

Most games feel like they've never seen a beta two years and 20 patches after release.

Also, never heard of Minecraft? Paid Beta.

Or kickstarter? Pay now, play (or whatever) in 3 years.

Or buy a car, get it in a year. Or a house. Anything, really.

ArenaNets way to do things is unusual for professional game developers, but not for smaller, "indie" companies or outside game development.

I'll wait to the day's end when the moon is high
And then I'll rise with the tide with a lust for life, I'll
Amass an army, and we'll harness a horde
And then we'll limp across the land until we stand at the shore

  GenreNinja

Novice Member

Joined: 5/19/07
Posts: 138

Live a Life Less Ordinary, Even if it isn''t your own! Support the RPG Community!

4/28/12 4:01:02 PM#23

*yawn*

I really don't understand how people get confused about this. This isn't a paid beta. They have to pick who gets into the beta one way or another. I'd much rather them give it to people who pre-purchase THE GAME as a perk, than continue just sending out random waves of invites to any bookah that signs up.

People pre-purchased the game. Most of them, were going to pre-purchase the game with or without the beta access. I often pre-purchase my games because I like the midnight releases and rushing home to install, calling into work the next day, and vegging out on my  new game. 

A paid beta, in my opinion, is when you pay to get into beta. That isn't the case here. People are pre-purchasing the finished product and being rewarded for their commitment with beta access. It's not bad practice it just pisses off the impatient.

---

Live a life less ordinary.

  GenreNinja

Novice Member

Joined: 5/19/07
Posts: 138

Live a Life Less Ordinary, Even if it isn''t your own! Support the RPG Community!

4/28/12 4:08:01 PM#24
Originally posted by musicmann
Originally posted by stayBlind
Originally posted by musicmann
I agree with the OP. Why take people's money before the game is released. What it tells me is that, even though they have the funds to develope and launch the game they don't have a 100% positive feeling the game will do very well and they want to get that upfront preorder money in case that feeling is correct. kinda underhanded if you ask me.

Or, you know, they are giving people who have been waiting years to play the chance to play it one weekend a month until it releases.

Kind of like a "Hey guys, you were going to buy the game anyways, now you can play a bit before launch ('Cause we know you've been waiting forever!)"


Why would you have to pay for being a loyal fan/follower to a certain mmo that is coming out. If you are confident in your product, then do it the way it always was done. Game goes into alpha stage, invite the very loyal community members. Game goes into closed beta, invite even more. Game goes into open/stress test, invite all. Game launches, customers buys the game.

 

this assumes, they're inviting loyal members? Since when has that ever been part of "the ways it always was done?" I've been around since the dawn of MMO's and the juggernauts pre-WoW never even had an "open beta" and the ones that did you could only get in if you had someone who was in give you one of their limited friend codes.

Post-WoW, Alpha->Beta->Release is a marketing strategy and has always been a sign up and pray your one of the people randomly selected to get in. It's never been about loyalty.

ArenaNet has made it about more about loyalty than most, and I'm glad they did. The attitude inside the Beta is by far one of the best social atmospheres i've ever encountered during beta. Sure you have yuor strong heads, but each and every person there is there because they are excited about this game. Not because they want to "try it" before they decide. They've all already decided.  

---

Live a life less ordinary.

  musicmann

Advanced Member

Joined: 12/25/05
Posts: 1123

4/28/12 4:24:01 PM#25
Originally posted by GenreNinja
Originally posted by musicmann
Originally posted by stayBlind
Originally posted by musicmann
I agree with the OP. Why take people's money before the game is released. What it tells me is that, even though they have the funds to develope and launch the game they don't have a 100% positive feeling the game will do very well and they want to get that upfront preorder money in case that feeling is correct. kinda underhanded if you ask me.

Or, you know, they are giving people who have been waiting years to play the chance to play it one weekend a month until it releases.

Kind of like a "Hey guys, you were going to buy the game anyways, now you can play a bit before launch ('Cause we know you've been waiting forever!)"


Why would you have to pay for being a loyal fan/follower to a certain mmo that is coming out. If you are confident in your product, then do it the way it always was done. Game goes into alpha stage, invite the very loyal community members. Game goes into closed beta, invite even more. Game goes into open/stress test, invite all. Game launches, customers buys the game.

 

this assumes, they're inviting loyal members? Since when has that ever been part of "the ways it always was done?" I've been around since the dawn of MMO's and the juggernauts pre-WoW never even had an "open beta" and the ones that did you could only get in if you had someone who was in give you one of their limited friend codes.

Post-WoW, Alpha->Beta->Release is a marketing strategy and has always been a sign up and pray your one of the people randomly selected to get in. It's never been about loyalty.

ArenaNet has made it about more about loyalty than most, and I'm glad they did. The attitude inside the Beta is by far one of the best social atmospheres i've ever encountered during beta. Sure you have yuor strong heads, but each and every person there is there because they are excited about this game. Not because they want to "try it" before they decide. They've all already decided.  


Well, that's what i meant. The post WOW era, with the alpha-closed-open types of game development cycles where you sign up and hope to get in. I just think if a dev company wants to have a closed stress test, like what's happening with GW2 at the moment and how it was with TOR, getting invited shouldn't be about loyal community members having to buy the product at full price or even spend 5 dollars before the game is even finished. Just send an invite to everyone that is registered on the official site. Wouldn't that be a more standup way of doing it, then making people pay because they know people are excited and want to try it out.

  QSatu

Novice Member

Joined: 10/14/06
Posts: 1768

4/28/12 4:28:25 PM#26

People should learn what beta means. no it doesn not mean free demo. Although more and more game companies use it like that. It doesn't matter how you get into beta. Whether you pay or not.

There was some misunderstandings. ANet should have stated that beta weekend ARE for testing and not free demos. Apparently a lot of people misundertood. (and i believe marketing division wanted people to misunderstand that too)

  zytin

Apprentice Member

Joined: 8/14/10
Posts: 155

4/28/12 4:30:17 PM#27
Originally posted by Larsa

Remember the times when games didn't even have a pre-order?

You went to a retailer and bought a box, just like everybody else. And no special, super V.I.P. or collectors or digital deluxe edition, because all that stuff didn't exist. And then the gaming industry learned that many gamers enjoy getting nickeled and dimed.

And thus you now buy a digital deluxe edition with a "unique" item that every buyer of that edition gets and people don't even complain that their "unique" item is everything but unique. And everybody else can buy that "unique" item in the cash shop 6 months after release anyway.

And now the gaming industry has learned that they can sell the product (pre-purchase) well before release. Won't take long and we'll see deals like "Pay today - play in 3 years". :)

http://www.kickstarter.com

 

Notice, you don't actually buy shares into the game, where you gain profit from the success of the game...you just get a copy of the game with X extras where X depends on the amount you give (not invest in) them.  

  musicmann

Advanced Member

Joined: 12/25/05
Posts: 1123

4/28/12 4:43:00 PM#28
Originally posted by QSatu

People should learn what beta means. no it doesn not mean free demo. Although more and more game companies use it like that. It doesn't matter how you get into beta. Whether you pay or not.

There was some misunderstandings. ANet should have stated that beta weekend ARE for testing and not free demos. Apparently a lot of people misundertood. (and i believe marketing division wanted people to misunderstand that too)

What's happening with GW2 this weekend is not a beta. It is in fact a pay to stress test the servers/demo. There's no required NDA and no one is being asked to find bugs or any problems. Like i said, if Anet, Bioware or any other dev company wanted to be more stand up about it, they should/could have invited all the community menbers that are and were registered on their official forums.

  niceguy3978

Elite Member

Joined: 6/14/06
Posts: 2014

4/28/12 4:48:22 PM#29
Originally posted by musicmann
Originally posted by QSatu

People should learn what beta means. no it doesn not mean free demo. Although more and more game companies use it like that. It doesn't matter how you get into beta. Whether you pay or not.

There was some misunderstandings. ANet should have stated that beta weekend ARE for testing and not free demos. Apparently a lot of people misundertood. (and i believe marketing division wanted people to misunderstand that too)

What's happening with GW2 this weekend is not a beta. It is in fact a pay to stress test the servers/demo. There's no required NDA and no one is being asked to find bugs or any problems. Like i said, if Anet, Bioware or any other dev company wanted to be more stand up about it, they shopuld have invited all the community menbers that are and were registered on their official forums.

I tend to agree with this, but I'm willing to give them some benefit of the doubt.  Now if they do not have a situation where everyone who wants to try the game can, then they have gotten into a situation where they have charged people to even try the game before release.  I am trying to picture someone going to McDonalds and paying 5 dollars for a couple of french fries from the meal they will get next week.  If they have a completely open beta where everyone can try it, then I have much less of a problem with the way they are doing things.  Only in the entertainment industry are you expected to pay for something withouth the possibility of a refund.  

  waynejr2

Elite Member

Joined: 4/12/11
Posts: 3853

RIP City of Heroes!

4/28/12 6:18:23 PM#30
Originally posted by Quizzical

So long as you don't pay for beta access yourself, it's not a problem for you.

If you were running a game company and lots of people were willing to throw money at you to get access to the beta, would you accept it?  If not, then that's why you're not running a game company.

I am generally against the pay for beta because I am an old software dev who still sees beta as testing not marketing.  That being said, I think I would consider selling special event access tickets for $10.00+ per event access.  Then hold say a dozen different events.  This wouldn't be selling the game, just access to each event.  If you want the game, you still have to buy it.

  illyana

Advanced Member

Joined: 1/09/08
Posts: 611

4/28/12 6:27:17 PM#31

Hello?!?! you DIDNT pay for the beta

you paid for the whole GAME! you own the game now. Beta access is an extra, a bonus, an incentive for prepurchashing. you get it for FREE for prepurchasing


Have fun storming the castle! - Miracle Max

  Metentso

Spotlight Poster

Joined: 8/14/10
Posts: 1458

4/28/12 6:32:12 PM#32
Originally posted by stayBlind

Oh man, I paid for the beta?

Guess I'll have to buy the game when it comes out.


You didn't pay the beta with the money you spent. That was to buy the game. You payed for the beta by buying the game earlier, giving the money early, having less information... basically taking a bigger risk buying.

  Bandw2

Apprentice Member

Joined: 4/28/12
Posts: 6

4/28/12 6:32:36 PM#33
Originally posted by stevebmbsqd
Originally posted by nilden
Originally posted by Pocahinha
No, the problem is people getting into a BETA thinking it will play without any bugs or probles like a game with 6 years post release...i call that stupidity and there is lots of it .

Well when you pay full price your not a tester your a customer.

This. They should have waited for the game to be optimized prior to starting the weekend "events". Note they were called "events" and not tests.

"events" isn't the key word, BETA is, its pre-gold so it isn't even an entire game let alone one thats being patched. BETA is much worse then a demo BTW, demos are specifically designed and built to run for only that section of the game.

  Sarethor

Novice Member

Joined: 10/02/07
Posts: 41

4/28/12 6:43:10 PM#34

Threads like this are fairly embarrassing on several levels.  Even the definition of beta testing can't be agreed upon and that's not even touching this ridiculous claim that this weekend is "paying for the beta".

Let me make an analogy that even the dullest knives in this drawer might grasp:  If you had to pay to test drive a car THEN turn around and pay full price for it afterward, THAT would be what you're claiming with GW2.  This is not the scenario with this game so please stop embarrassing yourselves.

Additionally, the game still is in the beta stage.  The complete one-through-n list of goals for this weekend aren't public knowledge but clearly a heavy loading of the datacenter/network infrastructure is part of it but definitely not all of it.

The biggest "problem" regarding the internet is that it's a platform for people to show some, or all, their defeciencies as a person then turn around and claim they have none.

The internet is an amazing platform for some people to showcase their deficiencies as a person.

Regards,
Sarethor

  Sarethor

Novice Member

Joined: 10/02/07
Posts: 41

4/28/12 6:44:06 PM#35
Originally posted by Metentso
Originally posted by stayBlind

Oh man, I paid for the beta?

Guess I'll have to buy the game when it comes out.


You didn't pay the beta with the money you spent. That was to buy the game. You payed for the beta by buying the game earlier, giving the money early, having less information... basically taking a bigger risk buying.

He was being sarcastic.

The internet is an amazing platform for some people to showcase their deficiencies as a person.

Regards,
Sarethor

  Bandw2

Apprentice Member

Joined: 4/28/12
Posts: 6

4/28/12 6:46:31 PM#36
Originally posted by Larsa

Remember the times when games didn't even have a pre-order?

You went to a retailer and bought a box, just like everybody else. And no special, super V.I.P. or collectors or digital deluxe edition, because all that stuff didn't exist. And then the gaming industry learned that many gamers enjoy getting nickeled and dimed.

And thus you now buy a digital deluxe edition with a "unique" item that every buyer of that edition gets and people don't even complain that their "unique" item is everything but unique. And everybody else can buy that "unique" item in the cash shop 6 months after release anyway.

And now the gaming industry has learned that they can sell the product (pre-purchase) well before release. Won't take long and we'll see deals like "Pay today - play in 3 years". :)

"unique"ness in a game item, does not mean it is the only one, in game terms it is an item with only one obtainable method. if the item is not unique then it can be obtained from multiple sources. 

nickle and dimed? >_> i don't have to pay 150 dollars so i can get a charr statuett, but if i want one i can buy it and give more money to the developer, the more money they get, the more they can produce. you can just buy the game or you can pay more money for additional options, i don't look at it as a way for teh company to ring more out of the community. i personally look at this as a way to give more money to a company if i think they deserve it.

also, getting money from customers this early in the development cycle can have a far reaching impact, where before they were getting low on money and the producer was not going to give more, now they have more cash and can continue working on the game pre-release making the game more like the intended design. the games you see where they promised things and then they weren't there, are the games that ran out of money. it's like investing, you put money in hoping for it to give you a greater return because you did.

its like im going to wait... the game came out oh look the reviews are sorta bad, it's unpolished? <- right there, unpolished, they ran out of money had to ship to get something and not go negative. most games do not actually get a return on how much money was put into them, only the big titles do, mostly franchieses(spelling?), and thats why we see them go on for so long now, the gameing industry is finally learning what returns a profit and what doesn't. 

  Rednecksith

Apprentice Member

Joined: 6/12/09
Posts: 1272

Bite my fiery metal ass!

4/28/12 6:52:43 PM#37

It's not that hard, people. You paid money up front = You get the game upon release and beta access. Access is part of the deal, therefore it's paying to get into beta.

As far as that issue itself goes, I don't really care what people spend their money on. I see nothing wrong with making the option available for those who can afford it. Unlike most people in the world these days, I don't hate people with more money than myself. They've usually earned it.

  Tommay

Apprentice Member

Joined: 1/22/12
Posts: 24

4/28/12 6:58:26 PM#38

I and many other people where under the impression that the beta events where purely mass advertisment and stress testing, playing the game it's obvious there some big problems.

It got a very similar feel to swtor in a way, something you can't put your finger on, but something just doesn't feel right, the game just hasn't been optimised yet is what I'm hoping it is, but I have a bad feeling it might be something deeper then that.

  User Deleted
4/28/12 7:00:52 PM#39

Someone is paying for the beta?

Without actually getting the game?

Can you do that?

Right.

  HorrorScope

Novice Member

Joined: 1/04/05
Posts: 612

4/28/12 8:13:21 PM#40
Originally posted by Anireth
Or buy a car, get it in a year.
 

Haven't heard of that one. Perhaps it's super-exotics, I don't know anyone close that has one.

4 Pages « 1 2 3 4 » Search