cash shops and RMAH are evil until the game you like has them.

Originally posted by frisp

Originally posted by Distopia

Originally posted by Charlizzard

Originally posted by Magnetia

http://us.blizzard.com/store/details.xml?id=1100000942

Now you want to start talking about a cash shop?

That's bad, but this is worse:

http://www.diabloiiiblog.com/beta/diablo-3-rmah-fees-patch-16/

I don't see how this is any better or worse than what A-net is doing. Cash-shop is a cash-shop, it's either okay for everyone to implement or not okay for everyone to implement.

I think it boils down to convenience verus substance.

 

IF you can pay to win i.e. you can BUY stuff that you cannot get in game that betters your character - that's a NO!

 

If you can pay for convenience items, temporary buffs (eg. extra XP for x mins), fluff etc. (i.e. nothing that cannot be gained in game)  - then no harm done.

 

The only difference is the time invested in game imo.

But that definition of "Pay To Win" has not been relevant for many years. Most F2P games do not have items that you cannot get through just playing the game without opening your wallet. Very often, the so called "Pay To WIn" item malls have been about convenience, but that convenience has been so large that a regular players had to spend ridiculous amounts of hours playing to catch up to the spenders.

Really, continue with the fucking cash shop threads. As long as they don't sell better gear or a buff that give 100% extra damge for PvP, Who cares?....

Originally posted by FrodoFragins

cash shops and RMAH are evil until the game you like has them.

So sad, and so true...

=/

Originally posted by Honner

Really, continue with the fucking cash shop threads. As long as they don't sell better gear or a buff that give 100% extra damge for PvP, Who cares?....

Even 1% more damage in PvP would make my head explode instantly.

Originally posted by Honner

Really, continue with the fucking cash shop threads. As long as they don't sell better gear or a buff that give 100% extra damge for PvP, Who cares?....

Everyone who cares about other competitions other than the PVP one, for starters.

Why can't the naysayers just realize...you're not paying a subscription fee.  That's saving you $15 a month for a good product.  Some people I know are going to budget themselves to spend that same amount on the cash shop every month.  Nothing lost, nothing gained in terms of value.

Originally posted by evolver1972

 

Wow, Distopia.  It's just black and white with you, huh?  No gray areas, subtle differences or the like?  I normally like your comments because I find them to be as objective as you possibly can be (even if I disagree with your opinion) but I think your way off base on this one.

Of course there are subtle differences, I fail to see how my comment was all black and white though, seemed to be all grey to me. While the subtsances within a cash-shop may be different, the idea of the cash shop is the same across the board. Extra revenue is the goal, and the only goal. I don't care about any cash shop, they've never had an effect toward my enjoyment of a game. The only thing that matters to me about cash-shops is whether they are in my face or not, that's less about cash shop and more about advertising though.

Originally posted by waynejr2

Originally posted by Distopia

Originally posted by boikymar

 There was a cash shop in Guild Wars--they sold character slots, weapon skins, costumes, etc.

I find it weird that people almost always omit Skill packs when they bring this up. I know they won't be in GW2, but that doesn't make it any less questionable why you make no mention of that in reference to GW1 here.

So GW 1 had skill packs.

You admit GW2 doesn't have them.

So skill packs in the cash show for GW2 doesn't exist.

DUDE, THIS IS YOUR BAGGAGE.

GW2 wasn't the subject at hand...

Faulting a developer for monetizing a game they put years of their life into creating is ridiculous.  Seriously, these people aren't here for the sole purpose of creating entertainment for you.  They have every right to generate revenue off of their endeavors and the consumer has every right not to purchase a product offered to them that doesn't fit their needs, wants or beliefs.  Personally, I will happily purchase gems if I enjoy the game.  Why?  Because people who provide me with hours (possibly hundreds of hours) of entertainment deserve something tangible for their efforts.  At least that's what I believe.

Originally posted by TwoThreeFour

Originally posted by Honner

Really, continue with the fucking cash shop threads. As long as they don't sell better gear or a buff that give 100% extra damge for PvP, Who cares?....

Everyone who cares about other competitions other than the PVP one, for starters.

What other competitions? The only competition this game offers is PvP. Everything else is build around cooperation with other players.

Originally posted by rykim86

Why can't the naysayers just realize...you're not paying a subscription fee.  That's saving you $15 a month for a good product.  Some people I know are going to budget themselves to spend that same amount on the cash shop every month.  Nothing lost, nothing gained in terms of value.

 

I would prefer having a 30$ subscription fee with a cosmetic-only item mall where you couldn't trade your item mall currency for ingame money, over having a convenience item mall where you can acquire ingame money through selling item mall currency. It is a matter of principle for me, not the money itself.

Originally posted by heartless

Originally posted by TwoThreeFour

Originally posted by Honner

Really, continue with the fucking cash shop threads. As long as they don't sell better gear or a buff that give 100% extra damge for PvP, Who cares?....

Everyone who cares about other competitions other than the PVP one, for starters.

What other competitions? The only competition this game offers is PvP. Everything else is build around cooperation with other players.

Egotistical competitions.

You know the "First to level 80", "First to figure out resource nodes and routes", "First to complete X content" etc....

I will complain only if I find the prices to be unfair... otherwise this actually might be the first F2P MMO that I put some real money into.  If they deserve my money they will have it.  I do hope however anything we can buy brings no PvP advantages since I have no interest in a Pay-2-Win game.

Originally posted by Thanosxp

Originally posted by FrodoFragins

cash shops and RMAH are evil until the game you like has them.

So sad, and so true...

=/

Actually Im fine with cash shops.   Unless the game is charging a sub fee.  Then yes, they are evil. 

GW2 is not charging a sub fee.  So Im okay with it. 

But if a game has a sub fee, and Im playing, and they then put in a cash shop.....man will you see me throw a fit then.  I'll accept one of the other.  Not both at the same time.  To me thats just stupid. 

Originally posted by sonoggi

how bout no? i want ANet to make lots of money so they can make more games like GW2, or keep GW2 running for the next decade. cosmetic items and accelerated xp type stuff make sense for cash shop.

Well Said... +1000

So as long as it doesn't break the gameplay aspect, and they don't force it upon us.. I'm all for my fav dev's making money  in order to stay in business..

Let them get rich or not, we all gonna die leave it one day, but if you wanna be rich why not try working for them or go another route.

Originally posted by heartless

Originally posted by TwoThreeFour

Originally posted by Honner

Really, continue with the fucking cash shop threads. As long as they don't sell better gear or a buff that give 100% extra damge for PvP, Who cares?....

Everyone who cares about other competitions other than the PVP one, for starters.

What other competitions? The only competition this game offers is PvP. Everything else is build around cooperation with other players.

The game developers do not dictate which competitions the players find relevant, that's up to the players themselves to decide. Some wouldn't even give a shit about the PvP competition.

To point out different competitions that people may find important enough for them personally: different vanity-competitions, crafting competitions, wealth-competitions, beating hard PvE-content competitions and other PvE competitions, etc.

Originally posted by rykim86

Originally posted by heartless

Originally posted by TwoThreeFour

Originally posted by Honner

Really, continue with the fucking cash shop threads. As long as they don't sell better gear or a buff that give 100% extra damge for PvP, Who cares?....

Everyone who cares about other competitions other than the PVP one, for starters.

What other competitions? The only competition this game offers is PvP. Everything else is build around cooperation with other players.

Egotistical competitions.

You know the "First to level 80", "First to figure out resource nodes and routes", "First to complete X content" etc....

 

Oooooohhhhh.  You mean epeen flexing in cooperative PvE?  Say what you mean then.  All the stuff that takes no skill, just more time investment than the next guy.

Originally posted by colddog04

They basically are to me, doesn't mean I support P2W but I hardly care about it, cash-shops all serve the same purpose, a revenue generator and that's it.

Oh, yeah. They are all the same in that way. They are all meant to generate revenue. Duh.

 

Cash shops are obviously different in design from each other. And for most people, those differences are what either makes it acceptable or unacceptable. They are obviously not all the same.

What they carry is not the same but their basic existence is, that's my point. Cash-shop existence is always going to be susceptible to bad habit, no matter who the company running them is. Those sales however are going to be determined by player reaction, and purchases. Gamers are more responsible than anyone when it comes to the substance they carry.

Any company profiting off pay to win, is being supported by those who accept p2w. As with all things we can only expect what we as a whole accept.

I've already seen this episode.  *changes channel*