Originally posted by Think01

Originally posted by Suzie_Ford

Don't.

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Er... excuse me but I don't understand your mood (I'm not english native).

That's OK, I am a native English speaker and I don't know where she was going either.

I was tempted to report her for trolling.

Originally posted by Zekiah

Originally posted by Think01

Ok, so all in all they liked the graphics feeling. I'ld like to understand if TERA's authors did well with they artwork or missed the point and got a disturbing effect. I thought this because you have to admit the female characters are quite explicit.

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As far as I'm concerned, all of the anime, high heels, low-cut skirts crap misses the mark.

But apparently anime-porn in MMOs is where it's at these days. Pathetic.

After seeing what the females look like in Tera I wouldn't play it no matter how good it was. It wasn't made for me, a female to play anyways.

It's not even the skimpy outfits, its the completely over the top boob physics that make them "look like water balloons" to quote my girlfriend who was watching me talk to a female NPC at the time, followed by her muttering "absurd" and walking away. Seriously those things look like they are alive and just sitting on the females chest. 

Originally posted by Kyleran

Originally posted by JeroKane

Originally posted by Suzie_Ford

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Heh... I think most of the female gamers (my gf included) absolute loathe this game.

TERA is receiving quite some bad press regarding this.... it's also receiving a lot of heat regarding the female child race.

Aion also received a lot of hate back then, but TERA is far worse.

And yet, in my guild we probably have more female players than most out there, and none of them seem to hacked off by the female avatars. I've met a few playing Elin, and a number playing the "less dressed" races like Elves and whatever, and manage to deal just fine with it.

Your GF must just be weird.

Sorry, but my gf at least still has some self respect left and won't accept this ridiculous oversexualisation of female characters.

The female players in your guild are most likely young teenage girls that are getting indoctrinated by this crap, feeling that this is perfectly normal and acceptable and how woman should be portraited.

There is a good reason why the press and even politics in various countries are all over this!  Especially regarding these type of Asian games always seem to have the need to include child like races in their games, that have an obvious appeal to pedofiles and sicko's!

The graphics style in general is enough to ruin what could have been a fun game for me. 

Originally posted by colddog04

I'm male so my opinion doesn't apply to your question, but I find that the level of acceptance for the sexualization of 8 year olds to be disturbing.

There is one thing I think they do need to change.

The voice effect for an Elin failing at gathering is disturbing. I do not like it at all. I know it's a 30 year old asian woman making the sounds, but it is too suggestive for the "cute" little girl, animal race.

I also think they should make the option to make your Elin a mutated Elin, because those things are actually the most disturbing thing in the game. Think, animal meets the little girls in Bioshock.

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seriously, they love huge boobs as it seems ^^

I tried the Beta, the most reaction I seen was in reference to Elin (5 yr old girl as some would say).  As I understand it the Devs had to do some censoring for the western market i.e covering up of the navel, changing knickers to shorts etc.  Personally I dont see a reason to sexualize characters for a game, I think it shows disrespect to women and gives a wrong impression to youngsters as this blatantly markets towards pubescent males and some older I would guess.

As to the other female characters, most of the time they looked dressed to go to a ball not a battle, I think the novelty of the short skirts and side slit dresses will wear off eventually ( no pun intended).  I'm also informed that the clothes become even skimpier at higher levels.  Okay I know its a fantasy game, but I like to have some realism where body armour is concerned.  Even the arrow to the knee has turned into a nipple to the eye.

I can understand why women dislike the armors style in this game.

What seems funny to me is that between the men on this board there is a high percentage of mormons or hypocrites, sex and videogames went hand in hand since forever, you may wanna try search E3 Girls or BlizzCon Girls on google.

So why all this scandalized comments?

Thankfully my wife is amused and not offended by such , and someone who understands fantasy games overall.

I find this usually explains most of the types who get upset or offended over this sort of thing.

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It would make an interesting study. I just spent about 10 minutes on google scholar trying to find an article on gender differences in perception of anime characters and didn't come up with anything. I suspect something is out there though.

I know for myself playing the beta that I was disturbed by the depiction of the Elin. You can create lore around any character to somehow justify or explain that it's not what it looks like, but what I saw was a girl between 8 and 10 with bunny ears wearing an extremely provocative outfit and short shorts. When they run you get this view (you can see it around 15 seconds):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQDYsESrDkQ

Yes, I know there is a cultural context for these kinds of images, but this image was already "westernized". The original image from the Korean version has the Elin wearing only what can be described as thongs.

One common thing that happens is when you point this stuff out people say "Well that's not what I see what's wrong with you that you find this sexualized?" I wonder why people are in denial of the sexualization of children's images.

At any rate, I do think there is a gender difference in how people perceive these things. My best guess is that women think it's "cute" and many men are "uncomfortable" but these are generalizations. To me, it would be very interesting to design a study where you presented images from Tera to a group of subjects who had no prior knowledge of the game and assess their perception on a number of scales.

Originally posted by Thane

that's what happens when asians code a game :)

 

seriously, they love huge boobs as it seems ^^

It's the huge cultural clash between east and west.

These games perfectly resemble their culture within the country it's created.

EQ1, EQ2, WoW, LOTRO, DDO, SW:TOR are games created in the West.

Aion and TERA are games that are created in the East.

I think the difference between Western culture and Eastern culture is pretty obvious.

Originally posted by Suzie_Ford

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Oh, but seriously....please do....get started, that is.

From only watching gameplay video of this game I KNEW I would never play it and that is BECAUSE of the over-sexualization of females and the obviously pedo-attracting Elin.  I think both are just completely repulsive for a game.  They belong in porn movies, hentai.....not in a game, in my opinion.

If this game is an "example of Eastern culture" then you can be sure I won't be playing any Eastern games.

Originally posted by just1opinion

Originally posted by Suzie_Ford

Don't.

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Oh, but seriously....please do....get started, that is.

 

From only watching gameplay video of this game I KNEW I would never play it and that is BECAUSE of the over-sexualization of females and the obviously pedo-attracting Elin.  I think both are just completely repulsive for a game.  They belong in porn movies, hentai.....not in a game, in my opinion.

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Originally posted by JeroKane

 

There is a good reason why the press and even politics in various countries are all over this!  Especially regarding these type of Asian games always seem to have the need to include child like races in their games, that have an obvious appeal to pedofiles and sicko's!

Second time you talk about press and politcs being all over this, care to point out some example?

No sir, I don't like it.  Never understood the anime style particularly in computer games. As a female gamer, I create a particular persona in my mind when going through character generation. I like a rough around the edges type of female. A little pretty, but more business and very little pleasure.  

Cutesie little bunny girls with short skirts just seem idiotic to me. But to each their own. I certainly won't be playing Tera for this reason. In addition, my husband took a look at an earlier game trailer for Tera and noted the bouncy chests. This alone put him off the game entirely.  Im not sure if they are intentionally pushing the anime artistic liscence to the extreme or just blatently pandering to the testosterone crowd. (I say this because im not that familiar with anime in games.)

On a side note, I recently gave Forsaken World a try ( I thought I could give it the benefit of the doubt).  I lasted all but 10 mins before uninstalling.

Nope not for me.

Originally posted by Dahkot72

Thankfully my wife is amused and not offended by such , and someone who understands fantasy games overall.

I find this usually explains most of the types who get upset or offended over this sort of thing.

 

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No, that's just YOU being sexist.  Of COURSE you like boobs hanging out all over the place, you're a man.  If we insisted that in our games men's penises would be swingin' in the wind all the time, I bet you'd not want to play that game.  You wouldn't want to look at male character's dicks.  So who's being hypocritical?  What's good for one is good for all?  No, it doesn't work that way.  Women just get exploited.

Originally posted by Dahkot72

Thankfully my wife is amused and not offended by such , and someone who understands fantasy games overall.

I find this usually explains most of the types who get upset or offended over this sort of thing.

 

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Since when does fantasy = skimpy women in prom dresses with massive breasts? All that is, is a lame attempt to grasp a market of male gamers and is 90% of the time used to cover other lacking areas of the game. You can still do "sensualized" armor sets that show skin without it looking like some sort of over the top run way show. 

This for instance:

Still shows off a decent amount of skin, but is fitting to the character, setting, lore, time period, etc. 

Originally posted by just1opinion

Originally posted by Dahkot72

Thankfully my wife is amused and not offended by such , and someone who understands fantasy games overall.

I find this usually explains most of the types who get upset or offended over this sort of thing.

 

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No, that's just YOU being sexist.  Of COURSE you like boobs hanging out all over the place, you're a man.  If we insisted that in our games men's penises would be swingin' in the wind all the time, I bet you'd not want to play that game.  You wouldn't want to look at male character's dicks.  So who's being hypocritical?  What's good for one is good for all?  No, it doesn't work that way.  Women just get exploited.

Wouldnt complain about it though, wouldnt play it sure , but wouldnt be offended by it. People need to get a grip . And thankfully , plenty of women are not offended nor worry about such things either, not everyone is uptight.

Originally posted by JeroKane

The female players in your guild are most likely young teenage girls that are getting indoctrinated by this crap, feeling that this is perfectly normal and acceptable and how woman should be portraited.

There is a good reason why the press and even politics in various countries are all over this!  Especially regarding these type of Asian games always seem to have the need to include child like races in their games, that have an obvious appeal to pedofiles and sicko's!

I personally feel kind of this way. Of course is pleasant to watch pretty characters' bodies and faces, but maybe such explicit sex-appeal is out of context, and (as stated above) misleading. I think it should be made more "logical": a nice dress for a high elf sorcerer can be appropriated (and maybe rewarding for the player, as a high level loot), but a bikini metal armor for a castanic warrior is just..... silly, and completely out of context.

I totally agree about the Elin: it seems a gift for pedofilies.