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  TwoThreeFour

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4/23/12 3:38:28 AM#61
Originally posted by headphones
Originally posted by Bigdavo
Originally posted by headphones
Originally posted by TwoThreeFour
Originally posted by bartoni33
Originally posted by TwoThreeFour
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It is perfectly normal to feel protective about "human child"-like creatures and that can translate into wanting them to wear proper cloths. 

A poor attempt at sarcasm my friend. I agree it's kinda creepy. But this is an acceptable "art form" in many countries. Just don't dress your young daughter like this in public. Then it's serious business.

If it was a part of an art gallery, I wouldn't mind and I would be able to swallow the "artistic freedom" approach, but this is a commercial MMORPG with oversexification of their regular adult-looking female characters, so in my eyes they lost that privilege.

i find people who use words like "oversexification" are deeply disturbed and need to see a psychiatrist immediately to resolve those issues.

they remind me of those tv priests who say "pornography is bad" and then turns out they've got a few external hard drives filled with the stuff. personally, if you're looking at a game avatar in that way to begin with, i think you're the one with the problem. not the game. regardless of what you think is there, the game is attempting to be "cute" to appeal to an asian market. not trying to be sordid, sleazy and revolting in the manner of your mind, sir.

i'd hate to see the contents of YOUR hard drive...

Talk about pot calling the kettle black. Calling someone disturbed when you think it's 'cute' for what looks like a 12 year old girl to be wearing a tiny love heart thong. Pictures like that leave nothing to the imagination, but I realise Asians are into that creepy shit.

Maybe you need some issues resolved.


actually, guy. i think you'll find us westerners hold the monopoly on sick. we're the ones who can't even look at a computer game without thinking about sex. we're the ones allergic to the word "cute" because we think that translates into "must molest that".

my wife's a huge anime fan (i'm not). the amount of "cute" she collects is mind-boggling. i don't think she's spending her days thinking what you're thinking when you look at it.

so i'll kind of say it again: you're disturbed if you can't look at a game avatar without judging it for sexual appeal.

 

When people see something "cute", the cuteness will automatically trigger nurture responses. For a lot of people, in connection with human-like creatures, making sure they are dressed properly is a part of those nurture responses. In your case, it seems like that isn't a part of your response.

 

I quote wikipedia (which I hope is accurate in this subject):

 

 

Cuteness is usually characterized by (though not limited to) some combination of infant-like physical traits, especially small body size with a disproportionately large head, large eyes, a pleasantly fair, though not necessarily small nose, dimples, and round and softer body features. Infantile personality traits, such as playfulness, fragility, helplessness, curiosity, innocence, affectionate behavior, and a need to be nurtured are also generally considered cute.

Konrad Lorenz argued in 1949 that infantile features triggered nurturing responses in adults and that this was an evolutionary adaptation which helped ensure that adults cared for their children, ultimately securing the survival of the species. As evidence, Lorenz noted that humans react more positively to animals that resemble infants—with big eyes, big heads, shortened noses, etc.—than to animals that do not.

That is, humans prefer animals which exhibit pedomorphosis. Pedomorphosis is the retention of child-like characteristics—such as big heads or large eyes—into adulthood. The widely perceived cuteness of domesticated animals, such as dogs and cats, may be due to the fact that humans selectively breed their pets for infant-like characteristics, including non-aggressive behavior and child-like appearance.

Some later scientific studies have provided further evidence for Lorenz's theory. For example, it has been shown that human adults react positively to infants who are stereotypically cute. Studies have also shown that responses to cuteness—and to facial attractiveness in general—seem to be similar across and within cultures.[1]

  TwoThreeFour

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4/23/12 3:44:45 AM#62
Originally posted by Hurvart
Originally posted by TwoThreeFour
Originally posted by headphones
Originally posted by TwoThreeFour
(quotes)

What do you call it when you notice that a game intentionally dresses their adult women in a such way that it is supposed to cause arousal among their teenage hormone-driven male players? I will make it clear that when I am refering to "adult women" I am not refering to the Elin race.

 

Sex sells and it is used very often as a marketing technique, specially when the target demographic includes teenage males. It is my opinion that when you use "sex sells" marketing techniques, you have no longer the privilige to use "artistic freedom" as argument. I will remind you, yet again, that when I write "sex sells" I am not talking about the Elin race.


But is sex really that dangerous? And if you think it is...it will be easy for those teenage boys to find content on the internet that is much much worse. And perhaps men are also fit and muscular and dressed to appear sexy. From a womans POV... I mean its stereoptyped. Perfect men and women that are flawless, fit and sexy. Of course based on the artists or developers idea about ideal men and women.  But if the game developer wants men and women to look like that its up to them.... People that feel offended dont have to play.

It isn't dangerous, but it is a cheap marketing technique, in my opinion. In order for me to tolerate something on the basis of "artistic freedom", such techniques need to be avoided. It is not like you see classical music concerts use sex to sell their concerts. (At least most don't)

  Hurvart

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Posts: 566

4/23/12 3:53:54 AM#63
Originally posted by TwoThreeFour
Originally posted by Hurvart
Originally posted by TwoThreeFour
Originally posted by headphones
Originally posted by TwoThreeFour
(quotes)

What do you call it when you notice that a game intentionally dresses their adult women in a such way that it is supposed to cause arousal among their teenage hormone-driven male players? I will make it clear that when I am refering to "adult women" I am not refering to the Elin race.

 

Sex sells and it is used very often as a marketing technique, specially when the target demographic includes teenage males. It is my opinion that when you use "sex sells" marketing techniques, you have no longer the privilige to use "artistic freedom" as argument. I will remind you, yet again, that when I write "sex sells" I am not talking about the Elin race.


But is sex really that dangerous? And if you think it is...it will be easy for those teenage boys to find content on the internet that is much much worse. And perhaps men are also fit and muscular and dressed to appear sexy. From a womans POV... I mean its stereoptyped. Perfect men and women that are flawless, fit and sexy. Of course based on the artists or developers idea about ideal men and women.  But if the game developer wants men and women to look like that its up to them.... People that feel offended dont have to play.

It isn't dangerous, but it is a cheap marketing technique, in my opinion. In order for me to tolerate something on the basis of "artistic freedom", such techniques need to be avoided. It is not like you see classical music concerts use sex to sell their concerts. (At least most don't)


There are a lot of  pantings and sculptures portraying naked men and women made by famous artist. Some of them are modern art some are classic art. Some are 1000 years old or more. Should they all be banned from museums and art books?

 

  TwoThreeFour

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4/23/12 3:58:11 AM#64
Originally posted by Hurvart
Originally posted by TwoThreeFour
Originally posted by Hurvart
Originally posted by TwoThreeFour
Originally posted by headphones
Originally posted by TwoThreeFour
(quotes)

What do you call it when you notice that a game intentionally dresses their adult women in a such way that it is supposed to cause arousal among their teenage hormone-driven male players? I will make it clear that when I am refering to "adult women" I am not refering to the Elin race.

 

Sex sells and it is used very often as a marketing technique, specially when the target demographic includes teenage males. It is my opinion that when you use "sex sells" marketing techniques, you have no longer the privilige to use "artistic freedom" as argument. I will remind you, yet again, that when I write "sex sells" I am not talking about the Elin race.


But is sex really that dangerous? And if you think it is...it will be easy for those teenage boys to find content on the internet that is much much worse. And perhaps men are also fit and muscular and dressed to appear sexy. From a womans POV... I mean its stereoptyped. Perfect men and women that are flawless, fit and sexy. Of course based on the artists or developers idea about ideal men and women.  But if the game developer wants men and women to look like that its up to them.... People that feel offended dont have to play.

It isn't dangerous, but it is a cheap marketing technique, in my opinion. In order for me to tolerate something on the basis of "artistic freedom", such techniques need to be avoided. It is not like you see classical music concerts use sex to sell their concerts. (At least most don't)


There are a lot of  pantings and sculptures portraying naked men and women made by famous artist. Some of them are modern art some are classic art. Some are 1000 years old or more. Should they all be banned from museums and art books?

 

 

As far as I know, just because something is naked, it doesn't mean that it is automatically using the "sex sells" marketing technique. 

  Hurvart

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4/23/12 4:12:26 AM#65
Originally posted by TwoThreeFour
Originally posted by Hurvart
Originally posted by TwoThreeFour
Originally posted by Hurvart
Originally posted by TwoThreeFour
Originally posted by headphones
Originally posted by TwoThreeFour
(quotes)

What do you call it when you notice that a game intentionally dresses their adult women in a such way that it is supposed to cause arousal among their teenage hormone-driven male players? I will make it clear that when I am refering to "adult women" I am not refering to the Elin race.

 

Sex sells and it is used very often as a marketing technique, specially when the target demographic includes teenage males. It is my opinion that when you use "sex sells" marketing techniques, you have no longer the privilige to use "artistic freedom" as argument. I will remind you, yet again, that when I write "sex sells" I am not talking about the Elin race.


But is sex really that dangerous? And if you think it is...it will be easy for those teenage boys to find content on the internet that is much much worse. And perhaps men are also fit and muscular and dressed to appear sexy. From a womans POV... I mean its stereoptyped. Perfect men and women that are flawless, fit and sexy. Of course based on the artists or developers idea about ideal men and women.  But if the game developer wants men and women to look like that its up to them.... People that feel offended dont have to play.

It isn't dangerous, but it is a cheap marketing technique, in my opinion. In order for me to tolerate something on the basis of "artistic freedom", such techniques need to be avoided. It is not like you see classical music concerts use sex to sell their concerts. (At least most don't)


There are a lot of  pantings and sculptures portraying naked men and women made by famous artist. Some of them are modern art some are classic art. Some are 1000 years old or more. Should they all be banned from museums and art books?

 

 

As far as I know, just because something is naked, it doesn't mean that it is automatically using the "sex sells" marketing technique. 


Often that depends on the person that is looking at the art or buying it. Normally the same painting can mean different things to different people. Typically the artist will not try to tell you exactly what you should feel or think. It makes no difference if you buy it or like it because you like the colors and the artists style or because you think the woman on the painting is sexy. Its up to you. There is no right or wrong.

  Skuz

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"If you can''t laugh at yourself there''s always someone around to show you how it''s done!"

4/23/12 11:24:59 PM#66

I personally think that the clothing says more about sexuality than a naked body.

The female clothing is designed for as much sexual provocation as they can get away with, the shirts designed to show the knickers when the female run, because of the way they are cut too high at the rear etc

It's really rather tasteless & lacking in class, sexy can be done in games without such obvious "sluttiness", just like it can be done in the real world follow the golden rules of style & class & you can show some flesh & not be going over the lines.

Show cleavage OR leg but never both & knickers should never be seen is that golden rule.

I think games need to have a choice in clothing looks, there should be enough options that a complete slutophile can dress their avatar up in as tacky, slutty, tarty way as possible, whilst the same class race gender can also be dressed in classy, or demure or even downright prudish clothes if the player so chooses.

 

 

  Himemiya

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4/23/12 11:28:10 PM#67
Oh TERA, y u so controversial?

L2P TERA combat: http://youtu.be/k_ZTX31fGtk

  neorandom

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4/23/12 11:33:20 PM#68

i dont see why they would take blood out.  if the animations are still just as violent, all removing blood does is indicate to players that if they savagely beat little timmy sonofabitch with a battle axe, he wont even bleed from it.  theyll still beat on little timmy, just when he bleeds they will be suprised.

 

you want your kids to act better?  parent them instead of going out and getting drunk/high.  or better yet get fixed and stop having so many kids, the world is overpopulated by 2 billion and still growing.

  neorandom

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4/23/12 11:35:26 PM#69
Originally posted by Skuz

I personally think that the clothing says more about sexuality than a naked body.

The female clothing is designed for as much sexual provocation as they can get away with, the shirts designed to show the knickers when the female run, because of the way they are cut too high at the rear etc

It's really rather tasteless & lacking in class, sexy can be done in games without such obvious "sluttiness", just like it can be done in the real world follow the golden rules of style & class & you can show some flesh & not be going over the lines.

Show cleavage OR leg but never both & knickers should never be seen is that golden rule.

I think games need to have a choice in clothing looks, there should be enough options that a complete slutophile can dress their avatar up in as tacky, slutty, tarty way as possible, whilst the same class race gender can also be dressed in classy, or demure or even downright prudish clothes if the player so chooses.

 

 

only online tranny guys dress their females such by choice lol

 

honestly the world is shameless, you cant go the the beach without seeing everything hanging out whether it should or not, or being wedged up into the vag so high you can see her bumpy stds.

  Shifty48

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4/25/12 11:09:35 AM#70

I have been playing this in Beta, but I cant help wondering what the company were thinking when they went for a Peg 12.

To say I'm  gobsmacked  would put it mildly, as most of the people playing this are 18+.

I joined one of the biggest guilds in the game, and we are talking about 200 memebers here.

There is not one who is twelve in the guild .

Frogster have slipped up big time with this, as a lot of people are getting there money back from the preorder.

I can see the game nosediving very quickly, and soon being F2P.

Underneath there is a good game, but still a lot seems, so unfishied even the combat needs redoing really.

 

From what I have read, and heard from members in the guild is." Why didnt they just go for the 18 rating", then they would not have to patch anything, and the game would not be spoilt, and all the original Korean designs wou;ld be left as they were ment to be.

They did censor a lot more in the game not just the blood, and the Elins, but also soem of the dress designs from the females. and the boob bounce seems to have gone as well, so when a female runs they dont move, and look as though they have been nailed on.

We also had guild embelms, but these were removed, as twits in the game put up Hitler pics, and Stalin, amongst other things, so instaed of punishing the few they punished the whole commmunity.

TBH I dont know if I will be playing this in a few months time, as I hate to see a game with, so much potential stripped like this, as there was another news release yesterday, as regards what they are going to do about patching.

When you read between the lines it just means more censoring. sorry I dont have the link, as the Tera forum is under maintence.

 

 

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