Originally posted by Wickedjelly

Originally posted by Bunks

Somehow I get his feeling that this thread, a week from now, is going to be similiar to that thread about how 1.2 was a perfect patch.

 

I must ask, do you guys practice the new non trinity combat system? I notice you guys take turns on putting out threads that end up humiliating yourselves and send you into a downed state a day or two later, then someone else steps up and takes over the tanking till you recover.

I beg to differ. I'm sure in a few weeks they will provide the exact proof they need when BW state a significant overwhelming vast majority of people currently playing the game are paying customers. Therefore proving to them the game is not only growing but their original estimate of 80% retention is clearly wrong and should be much higher at around 90%

I wonder if that statement comes before or after the CEO is canned. After all, the CFO was thrown under the bus for the last false claim. They will need a scapegoat if someone slips on the truth again.

Originally posted by OldMMOGamer

Originally posted by Pyuk

Bio gives away free time to practically all the former players; former players come back to see if 1.2 is worth coming back to; this time next week the servers will be back at their Standard to Low capacity, with The Fat Man the only server ever to touch Heavy.

 

Wrong...flat wrong jedi Convenant went full, Fatman had a 35 min que, several others, just cant remember their names. MOST were standard.  BTW, Standard is what you want for server stability anyway.   Keep trying tho Im here all week to help with the misinformation.

Wow, you can see into the future? You're amazing! What's next week's lottery numbers?

Originally posted by Pyuk

Originally posted by OldMMOGamer

Originally posted by Pyuk

Bio gives away free time to practically all the former players; former players come back to see if 1.2 is worth coming back to; this time next week the servers will be back at their Standard to Low capacity, with The Fat Man the only server ever to touch Heavy.

 

Wrong...flat wrong jedi Convenant went full, Fatman had a 35 min que, several others, just cant remember their names. MOST were standard.  BTW, Standard is what you want for server stability anyway.   Keep trying tho Im here all week to help with the misinformation.

Wow, you can see into the future? You're amazing! What's next week's lottery numbers?

Huh?

Originally posted by Bunks

Originally posted by Wickedjelly

Originally posted by Bunks

Somehow I get his feeling that this thread, a week from now, is going to be similiar to that thread about how 1.2 was a perfect patch.

 

I must ask, do you guys practice the new non trinity combat system? I notice you guys take turns on putting out threads that end up humiliating yourselves and send you into a downed state a day or two later, then someone else steps up and takes over the tanking till you recover.

I beg to differ. I'm sure in a few weeks they will provide the exact proof they need when BW state a significant overwhelming vast majority of people currently playing the game are paying customers. Therefore proving to them the game is not only growing but their original estimate of 80% retention is clearly wrong and should be much higher at around 90%

I wonder if that statement comes before or after the CEO is canned. After all, the CFO was thrown under the bus for the last false claim. They will need a scapegoat if someone slips on the truth again.

What in the 9 hells did this person just say?

I half expected to see a just kidding as the first post. HAHAHA man that would have been funny.

Originally posted by OldMMOGamer

Originally posted by Bunks

Originally posted by Wickedjelly

Originally posted by Bunks

Somehow I get his feeling that this thread, a week from now, is going to be similiar to that thread about how 1.2 was a perfect patch.

 

I must ask, do you guys practice the new non trinity combat system? I notice you guys take turns on putting out threads that end up humiliating yourselves and send you into a downed state a day or two later, then someone else steps up and takes over the tanking till you recover.

I beg to differ. I'm sure in a few weeks they will provide the exact proof they need when BW state a significant overwhelming vast majority of people currently playing the game are paying customers. Therefore proving to them the game is not only growing but their original estimate of 80% retention is clearly wrong and should be much higher at around 90%

I wonder if that statement comes before or after the CEO is canned. After all, the CFO was thrown under the bus for the last false claim. They will need a scapegoat if someone slips on the truth again.

What in the 9 hells did this person just say?

Just keep thinking what you think, this ins't the reality you are looking for.

Originally posted by Bunks

I wonder if that statement comes before or after the CEO is canned. After all, the CFO was thrown under the bus for the last false claim. They will need a scapegoat if someone slips on the truth again.

Thing is though they never lied. If anything their vague statements both times they mentioned paid subs proved to me that things were not faring as well as they hoped. Well...that and my own personal experiences in game and on some servers I played on. It was the fans and some sites that jumped to imaginary numbers based on their statements. Not BW...

The fact they did it two times in a row should have been a glaring red fucking flag. But instead some amazingly trotted it around like it was a good thing.

Probably will do it again too. Can thank the free trial offers to ensure another vague paying sub statement coming to forums near you. Now in 3D!

Originally posted by OldMMOGamer

Originally posted by Pyuk

Originally posted by OldMMOGamer

Originally posted by Pyuk

Bio gives away free time to practically all the former players; former players come back to see if 1.2 is worth coming back to; this time next week the servers will be back at their Standard to Low capacity, with The Fat Man the only server ever to touch Heavy.

 

Wrong...flat wrong jedi Convenant went full, Fatman had a 35 min que, several others, just cant remember their names. MOST were standard.  BTW, Standard is what you want for server stability anyway.   Keep trying tho Im here all week to help with the misinformation.

Wow, you can see into the future? You're amazing! What's next week's lottery numbers?

Huh?

Here, let me spell it out for you: If you read my original post instead of spewing your fanboism all over the face of this forum, you'd notice that I said, and I quote, this time next week the servers will be back at their Standard to Low capacity, with The Fat Man the only server ever to touch Heavy. You replied that I was flat wrong - how would you know unless you're an amazing future-seer-who-sees-things-in-the-future guy? Do you actually know for sure that next week the servers will be jammed packed? No, you don't. I believe the odds are more than good the servers will be back down to their previous deadness prior to Bio's game-time-giveaway-extravaganza. Try to keep up with the rest of the class.

Originally posted by OldMMOGamer

Originally posted by TwwIX

That's because they artificially inflated the populations of the servers by providing free game time for old and "valued" subscribers.

Come back to me in 30 days again and we'll see how well the game is doing. People will go back to requesting much needed server merges and characters transfers because the majority of the servers are dead and will continue remain to be ghost towns.

 

The apologists for this game are just downright pathetic. I am glad that i stopped playing this poorly executed mess. The community is even worse.

Im not apolgizing for anything,Just for kicks how do you even back up your statement "artifically inflated" server status? Just here to clear up the misinformation somewhat.  BTW, This same argument started 2 Weeks after launch LOL, then it was after the 1st billing period, then it was after the first game update, then it was 1.2 update,  whats next?  Thats right anything the GW2 shills can make up.  BTW, GW2 will be out soon,  cut and paste these comments to a word file and prepare to use them again, cause guess what those forums will be the SAME way.  =D

 

 

It's not my fault that your reading comprehension is poor. Also, what does Guild Wars 2 have anything to do with what i said? Could you sound any more non sensical?

This is still the free week reactivation week right? Also the start of the free month for lvl 50? I would expect it to be busy. Of course I don't think TOR is going to fail by any reasonable metric anyway. It is a decent game though it could be better. It has a great story. I don't think they distinguished themselves enough from WoW but even so, there is no shortage of starwars fans out there. The game might shrink some, there might even be a server merger some day but the game will still be a long ways from failing.

Originally posted by TwwIX

 

It's not my fault that your reading comprehension is poor.

 

 

Maybe it's that you single out one side and their pretense, yet make no mention of the other?

Originally posted by TwwIX

Originally posted by OldMMOGamer

Originally posted by TwwIX

That's because they artificially inflated the populations of the servers by providing free game time for old and "valued" subscribers.

Come back to me in 30 days again and we'll see how well the game is doing. People will go back to requesting much needed server merges and characters transfers because the majority of the servers are dead and will continue remain to be ghost towns.

 

The apologists for this game are just downright pathetic. I am glad that i stopped playing this poorly executed mess. The community is even worse.

Im not apolgizing for anything,Just for kicks how do you even back up your statement "artifically inflated" server status? Just here to clear up the misinformation somewhat.  BTW, This same argument started 2 Weeks after launch LOL, then it was after the 1st billing period, then it was after the first game update, then it was 1.2 update,  whats next?  Thats right anything the GW2 shills can make up.  BTW, GW2 will be out soon,  cut and paste these comments to a word file and prepare to use them again, cause guess what those forums will be the SAME way.  =D

 

 

It's not my fault that your reading comprehension is poor. Also, what does Guild Wars 2 have anything to do with what i said? Could you sound any more non sensical?

 Um you didnt answer my question, where did you get your information they artifically inflated the server status? Concrete proof not just "because? LOLZ"

 

 

 Um you didnt answer my question, where did you get your information they artifically inflated the server status? Concrete proof not just "because? LOLZ" 

Originally posted by Pyuk

Originally posted by OldMMOGamer

Originally posted by Pyuk

Originally posted by OldMMOGamer

Originally posted by Pyuk

Bio gives away free time to practically all the former players; former players come back to see if 1.2 is worth coming back to; this time next week the servers will be back at their Standard to Low capacity, with The Fat Man the only server ever to touch Heavy.

 

Wrong...flat wrong jedi Convenant went full, Fatman had a 35 min que, several others, just cant remember their names. MOST were standard.  BTW, Standard is what you want for server stability anyway.   Keep trying tho Im here all week to help with the misinformation.

Wow, you can see into the future? You're amazing! What's next week's lottery numbers?

Huh?

Here, let me spell it out for you: If you read my original post instead of spewing your fanboism all over the face of this forum, you'd notice that I said, and I quote, this time next week the servers will be back at their Standard to Low capacity, with The Fat Man the only server ever to touch Heavy. You replied that I was flat wrong - how would you know unless you're an amazing future-seer-who-sees-things-in-the-future guy? Do you actually know for sure that next week the servers will be jammed packed? No, you don't. I believe the odds are more than good the servers will be back down to their previous deadness prior to Bio's game-time-giveaway-extravaganza. Try to keep up with the rest of the class.

Technically...you're just guessing too. No less a "Nostradamus" then the one you accuse.

  I happen to THINK the pops will drop back too..how far..I have no clue . I hope I'm wrong. If I'm not then I hope they don't drop too much as I still enjoy the game. Then again..despite the drop since launch I've never had much of a problem On "The Ebon Hawk" server.

Haven't seen anyone do this and don't know why.

I will like to see someone poll and headcount on a good server how many players originated on that server or rerolled there because their original server is dead.

I'm curious to know if the good servers are able to maintain retention or living off refugees.

Ya I would say there are reason why so many people were on this weekend. But I dont see the big deal on how many people are playing as long as your having fun or not,  I wasnt so I quit, but to those still enjoying themselves then enjoy.

Let's put some numbers to the servers. Now none of this is scientific so, whatever. If some of you have more knowledge about this, than please correct me.

Light = 250

Standard = 500

heavy = 1000

very heavy = 1500

full = 2000

Now, TOR has a total of 218 severs. If every night at peak playing hrs all those servers were at full, then the amount of people playing would be 436,000. We can see though, that's not the case. There are many more light and standard servers both NA and EU than heavy, very heavy or full.

So what does this mean. It means that at odd server hrs, the majority of servers are light with a few standard and there would be around 54k to 55k playing at that time.

What this shows is that, even if every server 24-7 was at full, TOR at the most would only have that 436,000 playerbase actually playing. If we also go off of the 1.7 miilion subs that Bioware said they have and divide that by the 218 servers, that would mean that a full server would hold 7,798 players. We all know that the game has never had that many players on a single server, so, in my honest opinion, and that's all this is, TOR is tanking. Taking into account that they have some other mmo's coming out in the very near future, The game may even drop much further than it is now.

Originally posted by Bardus

Haven't seen anyone do this and don't know why.

I will like to see someone poll and headcount on a good server how many players originated on that server or rerolled there because their original server is dead.

I'm curious to know if the good servers are able to maintain retention or living off refugees.

I'll take a wild guess, most who are playing don't give a rats ***? I mean think about it, how many that are playing, would have a reason to care about how many people there are? I can't remember a time I was playing a game when that idea or thought popped into my head.

It's just not something that matters to the overall enjoyment of game, as long as there is a few populated servers what else matters? I don't need to know there are "millions" playing to have a good time, I doubt many others do either.

Originally posted by OldMMOGamer

Originally posted by TwwIX

Originally posted by OldMMOGamer

Originally posted by TwwIX

That's because they artificially inflated the populations of the servers by providing free game time for old and "valued" subscribers.

Come back to me in 30 days again and we'll see how well the game is doing. People will go back to requesting much needed server merges and characters transfers because the majority of the servers are dead and will continue remain to be ghost towns.

 

The apologists for this game are just downright pathetic. I am glad that i stopped playing this poorly executed mess. The community is even worse.

Im not apolgizing for anything,Just for kicks how do you even back up your statement "artifically inflated" server status? Just here to clear up the misinformation somewhat.  BTW, This same argument started 2 Weeks after launch LOL, then it was after the 1st billing period, then it was after the first game update, then it was 1.2 update,  whats next?  Thats right anything the GW2 shills can make up.  BTW, GW2 will be out soon,  cut and paste these comments to a word file and prepare to use them again, cause guess what those forums will be the SAME way.  =D

 

 

It's not my fault that your reading comprehension is poor. Also, what does Guild Wars 2 have anything to do with what i said? Could you sound any more non sensical?

 Um you didnt answer my question, where did you get your information they artifically inflated the server status? Concrete proof not just "because? LOLZ"

 

 

 

 Um you didnt answer my question, where did you get your information they artifically inflated the server status? Concrete proof not just "because? LOLZ" 

 

They gave a week free to all former subscribers to come try out the new patch. This will boost their numbers for a week as a lot of unpaid accounts are granted free server access. This is probably very temporary. They also gave all existing clients 30 days free as well. The speculation here is that they are prettying up the quarterly numbers for the reports so investors don't freak out over losses.

Originally posted by Paragus1

http://www.gamespot.com/news/ea-laying-off-up-to-1000-report-6371851

"Andersen pointed to a variety of contributing factors for the cuts, noting that the massively multiplayer online role-playing game Star Wars: The Old Republic did not meet internal sales estimates and is facing declining subscription numbers."

I find it kinda funny that this post was ignored, considering several people in this thread are saying TOR is actually gaining subscriptions.

But then again I guess that is how most people respond to bad news, ignore it.

Still, what is the fascination with seeing ToR die? I thought it was a fairly meh game but if people are enjoying it then hoping for it to fail seems like a rather childish thing to do.