Originally posted by Montana_Mike

Originally posted by norman728

The reason I mentioned the ROM podcast as it gives a rebuttal to the Cash shop argument that plagues ROM. (But a small investment in the CS is recommended BUT NOT NEEDED as there are Endgame Players who haven't used the cash shop at all) also the Podcast will interview actual players about How they play the game and give advice and OPINONS on what could make the game better.

That is a lie.  No Endgame Player exist who haven't used the cash shop at all.  In fact, ALL Endgame Players have EXCESSIVELY used the cash shop.

 

I assume you me ToSH capable when you say Endgame Players, and not just someone who has managed to quest through half the zones.

 

Show me ANY Endgame Players without +16 weapons.  Show me ANY Endgame Players without clean stat'ed tier 7 armor.  Show me ANY Endgame Players without tier 8 (or higher) weapon runes, and tier 10 general purpose runes.  etc  You can't.  Even if they spent $0 of their own money, they STILL spent thousands of $$$$ of someone else's money.  Either way, all Endgame Players have used the cash shop, A LOT.

You dont HAVE to pay real money and buy items from the cash shop. There are many many lower lvls out there that are selling their dias for loads of money and are making bank off of it. You constantly see all the higher lvls world shouting that they "WTB Dias, pm me please". There are PLENTY of endgamers out there that never spend a dime on the game, but instead play it the way its meant to be played, make a bank load of gold, and buy dias off of sellers.

Originally posted by BethelsBoy

Originally posted by Montana_Mike

Originally posted by norman728

The reason I mentioned the ROM podcast as it gives a rebuttal to the Cash shop argument that plagues ROM. (But a small investment in the CS is recommended BUT NOT NEEDED as there are Endgame Players who haven't used the cash shop at all) also the Podcast will interview actual players about How they play the game and give advice and OPINONS on what could make the game better.

That is a lie.  No Endgame Player exist who haven't used the cash shop at all.  In fact, ALL Endgame Players have EXCESSIVELY used the cash shop.

 

I assume you me ToSH capable when you say Endgame Players, and not just someone who has managed to quest through half the zones.

 

Show me ANY Endgame Players without +16 weapons.  Show me ANY Endgame Players without clean stat'ed tier 7 armor.  Show me ANY Endgame Players without tier 8 (or higher) weapon runes, and tier 10 general purpose runes.  etc  You can't.  Even if they spent $0 of their own money, they STILL spent thousands of $$$$ of someone else's money.  Either way, all Endgame Players have used the cash shop, A LOT.

You dont HAVE to pay real money and buy items from the cash shop. There are many many lower lvls out there that are selling their dias for loads of money and are making bank off of it. You constantly see all the higher lvls world shouting that they "WTB Dias, pm me please". There are PLENTY of endgamers out there that never spend a dime on the game, but instead play it the way its meant to be played, make a bank load of gold, and buy dias off of sellers.

Which confirms my point, that no endgamer can exist without EXTENSIVE use of the Cash Shop.  If the endgames don't pony up their own thousands of dollars, then the endgames have to exchange gold and hope that enough new players continue to join the game and are willing to spend several thousands of dollars, some on themselves, and more thousands of dollars to bankroll the Cash Shops activity of each engamer that refuses to pay money themselves.

Still the most expensive "Free-to-Play" game out there.  It is actually "Pay-to-Win" since the Cash Shop litterally sells power.  With the Cash Shop structured to sell power to those willing to spend thousands of dollars (either theirs or someone elses), any hope to balance the classes is gone.

Originally posted by Montana_Mike

Originally posted by BethelsBoy

Originally posted by Montana_Mike

Originally posted by norman728

The reason I mentioned the ROM podcast as it gives a rebuttal to the Cash shop argument that plagues ROM. (But a small investment in the CS is recommended BUT NOT NEEDED as there are Endgame Players who haven't used the cash shop at all) also the Podcast will interview actual players about How they play the game and give advice and OPINONS on what could make the game better.

That is a lie.  No Endgame Player exist who haven't used the cash shop at all.  In fact, ALL Endgame Players have EXCESSIVELY used the cash shop.

 

I assume you me ToSH capable when you say Endgame Players, and not just someone who has managed to quest through half the zones.

 

Show me ANY Endgame Players without +16 weapons.  Show me ANY Endgame Players without clean stat'ed tier 7 armor.  Show me ANY Endgame Players without tier 8 (or higher) weapon runes, and tier 10 general purpose runes.  etc  You can't.  Even if they spent $0 of their own money, they STILL spent thousands of $$$$ of someone else's money.  Either way, all Endgame Players have used the cash shop, A LOT.

You dont HAVE to pay real money and buy items from the cash shop. There are many many lower lvls out there that are selling their dias for loads of money and are making bank off of it. You constantly see all the higher lvls world shouting that they "WTB Dias, pm me please". There are PLENTY of endgamers out there that never spend a dime on the game, but instead play it the way its meant to be played, make a bank load of gold, and buy dias off of sellers.

Which confirms my point, that no endgamer can exist without EXTENSIVE use of the Cash Shop.  If the endgames don't pony up their own thousands of dollars, then the endgames have to exchange gold and hope that enough new players continue to join the game and are willing to spend several thousands of dollars, some on themselves, and more thousands of dollars to bankroll the Cash Shops activity of each engamer that refuses to pay money themselves.

 

Still the most expensive "Free-to-Play" game out there.  It is actually "Pay-to-Win" since the Cash Shop litterally sells power.  With the Cash Shop structured to sell power to those willing to spend thousands of dollars (either theirs or someone elses), any hope to balance the classes is gone.

It is true, I am a veteran player.

Anyone who tells you they are at competetive endgame an fully tiered gear, without spending a dime, then they are talking out of their anal cavity

Originally posted by assault3hro

Originally posted by Montana_Mike

Originally posted by BethelsBoy

Originally posted by Montana_Mike

Originally posted by norman728

The reason I mentioned the ROM podcast as it gives a rebuttal to the Cash shop argument that plagues ROM. (But a small investment in the CS is recommended BUT NOT NEEDED as there are Endgame Players who haven't used the cash shop at all) also the Podcast will interview actual players about How they play the game and give advice and OPINONS on what could make the game better.

That is a lie.  No Endgame Player exist who haven't used the cash shop at all.  In fact, ALL Endgame Players have EXCESSIVELY used the cash shop.

 

I assume you me ToSH capable when you say Endgame Players, and not just someone who has managed to quest through half the zones.

 

Show me ANY Endgame Players without +16 weapons.  Show me ANY Endgame Players without clean stat'ed tier 7 armor.  Show me ANY Endgame Players without tier 8 (or higher) weapon runes, and tier 10 general purpose runes.  etc  You can't.  Even if they spent $0 of their own money, they STILL spent thousands of $$$$ of someone else's money.  Either way, all Endgame Players have used the cash shop, A LOT.

You dont HAVE to pay real money and buy items from the cash shop. There are many many lower lvls out there that are selling their dias for loads of money and are making bank off of it. You constantly see all the higher lvls world shouting that they "WTB Dias, pm me please". There are PLENTY of endgamers out there that never spend a dime on the game, but instead play it the way its meant to be played, make a bank load of gold, and buy dias off of sellers.

Which confirms my point, that no endgamer can exist without EXTENSIVE use of the Cash Shop.  If the endgames don't pony up their own thousands of dollars, then the endgames have to exchange gold and hope that enough new players continue to join the game and are willing to spend several thousands of dollars, some on themselves, and more thousands of dollars to bankroll the Cash Shops activity of each engamer that refuses to pay money themselves.

 

Still the most expensive "Free-to-Play" game out there.  It is actually "Pay-to-Win" since the Cash Shop litterally sells power.  With the Cash Shop structured to sell power to those willing to spend thousands of dollars (either theirs or someone elses), any hope to balance the classes is gone.

It is true, I am a veteran player.

I can also vouch for everything these guys say...it's all true. The OP had asked for ratings on various aspects of the game (rate it as a whole game from 0 to 10 in terms of music, gameplay, PvP, graphics, replay value, storyline, content and character customization?). Okay, my own rating for RoM:

Gameplay: 6 Would have given this a higher rating 2-3 years ago, but there are better gameplay systems out there, now.

Music: 9 Especially earlier on, the music is quite beautiful. Go out into the wilderness outside Varanas at night and you'll see (hear) what I mean.

PvP: 3 The PvP is basically, whoever has the best gear and best stats wins. ^These guys^ aren't lying about RoM being p2w, because that's ALL it is. There's a guild vs. guild event that takes place once per night called Siege War (the schedule could be a lot different now, idk, I haven't played in a long time). Siege War can be fun if you get matched up against a similarly-powered guild, but there will be times that you'll get steamrolled within the 1st 15 minutes because your opponents bought their way to the top. In the end, it has nothing to do with skill, whatsoever...just who has the best gear.

Graphics: 8 Even though the graphics are a bit dated, they're still kind of charming and well presented. Most things have a "semi-cartoonish" look them...not quite cartoony like WoW, but not fully realistic either. Animations are very well done too.

Replay Value: 2 I give it such a low score because the game is a grind-fest. I got so tired of daily quests and running instances over and over and OVER again, it all becomes a chore. I didn't pay to win, so I had to outgrind everyone and their brother to get ahead.

Storyline: 5 I found it to be mediocre, at best, but it is followable most of the time, until you get into the newer zones that are part of different chapters.

Content: 5 If you shell out thousands of dollars to be able to access all of the content, I've heard the end game can be gotten to within a month's time, easily. If you play for free, it's doubtful you'll ever be able to set foot in the major instances without being 1-shotted by the "lowliest" mob. Overworld mobs are not super-difficult to handle, but if you could easily kill a lvl 60 elite mob on the surface, a level 55 elite instance mob will probably own you. Hall of Survivors, I'm looking at you.

Character Customization: 5 It's about average. I've seen way better and I've seen way worse. It's decent enough, though.

Again, you can grind your life away to auction things off for gold and use your gold to buy CS items from paying players. I've done this and never had a problem, but I did constantly hear about people getting scammed (buyers AND sellers). It's a risky business. In the end, I say try it if you just can't find anything else, better, but I'd keep looking if I were you.

Originally posted by Raisen223

That sounds pretty good, but I'm not that new to MMORGPs either, so I'd probably find it awful just as you did as well. So any other similar games aren't as cash shop dependant? 

 

Try Allods Online, pretty much the same thing with faction and all. 

It's not a bad game, I played it for a long time and really enjoyed myself. Very much enjoyed mixing and matching classes and I hear you can even pick add a third class to your character at a certain level which makes me wanna play again. Cash shop definitely provides players with an advantage which was my one and only gripe with the game. Though if I had to go back to a WoW type game I think I'd definitely play Allods instead.

For a few months. 

I left years ago and have never even thought about going back. 

There are worse and it is free. 

Originally posted by Raisen223

Originally posted by norman728

as a suggestion you should track down the old ROMCAST Podcast as it was good for info on the game. also they have a Youtube channel that highlights alot of the game too including ROMNATION.

 

I want opinions, not information. I already know what the game's like, I just want to know good it really is.

You, my friend, are a cheeky git! This poster is only trying to help you, dont be so ungrateful...

it's money sink..
slightly outdated as has n modern features as dungeon finders, auto party makers and so on.

I stopped to play when saw it's endless grind/spent as you have juts time to get your upgraded to be sure all is outdated.

If you like to do same daily quests all long or asking others to help you with anything, or you feel like pay a lot for game and not even have much fun - this game is for you.

If not, try Forsaken World, which is WoW-like too, but less shop pushing (at least you can buy all you need, mount too, with in game money, and have dungeon finder).

Anyway, check both and look what you like more.

It was OK for a couple weeks.  (Runes of Magic) RoM is the very definition of WoW clone though.  Some games differ from WoW, this game does not, with the exception of personal housing / guild housing (costs REAL money though to get anywhere).  Housing is all instanced so it's not on the same level as other games who did better jobs, like SWG.  As for seemless worlds, WoW did it better anyways .. not to champion WoW, since it was dumbed down so much it's not very thrilling.

I found the RoM graphics engine to be not that great.  Somewhere between SWTOR and WoW, but mostly towards SWTOR since it gags and gasps for air in big cities or when near a bunch of other players.  Sometimes when just alone, if will suddenly go choppy with no rationale as to why.

For it's freemium qualities, it's OK.  You get a really tiny inventory space though as Freemium (F2P farse), not even enough to go out adventure and collect stuff... you will continually have to junk items to make room for quest items, items you can't wear yet, or valuable stuff.  By tiny, I mean tiny .. couple dozen unique / stackable item types or so.

Inventory space can be increased, but on a "rent" basis.  Buy additional temporary inventory slots for a fee.  Same goes for mounts.  You can rent fast travel mounts, but they have a fixed duration of existence.  You can also rent the ability to use global chat commands.  Add everything together and you spend more than a monthly sub to WoW.

If you play the game to hell and back you can acquire currency, which you can spend to buy gems / rubies from other players (cash shop currency).  I've never done that, but they must be gifted to another player, and some trust is required, leading to players getting ripped off (ie give currency and say OK, give them to me .. then never see the other player again).  To my knowledge, there is no secure transfer of such trades.

Guild halls were cool, you spend time to accumulate resources required to make the guild hall bigger and better.  Also newbies can harvest resources inside the guild hall to get crafting mats (at the expense of the guild, but harvesting takes time).

You can have a hybrid class and switch back and forth between classes (each class developes independently).

The best gear is obtained with real money.

Overall, like I said, I played a couple weeks, and saw what I needed to see.  Graphics engine is not that great, but gets the job done.  Freemium restrictions are intense, unless you fork over real money.  You'd have to spend more than a monthly subscription on WoW to have the same game experience, not even including purchased gear.  I moved on :-)

ps - but I will say RoM had a good soundtrack, with many zones having a Celtic themed music score.

Originally posted by Panther2103

I think RoM is a good example of pay to win. It has items that are required in the shop for you to do anything later on in the game. While you can earn the gold to buy the diamonds for it, it takes absurd amounts of time to do that, and the game itself doesn't have as much population as it once did.

RoM was not always like that, when they released the game it was really fun.

Chapter 2 changed RoM from a pretty decent f2p game to an absolute rip off game, once they realized that if bosses droped more good stats then people would use the cash shop to use these stats, p2w at its worst.

Ofcourse there were lots of people who didnt use the cashshop but either they only played for an hour every few days or else they lived in the game. 

Karteli gave a realistic summary.

However I am going to add to it.

I think player's should be made aware of the lack of customer service.

I purchased $19.99 in their IM currency.

I was billed.

I never received my diamonds.

My support ticket was closed without reply.

I then logged into my account after 5 hours of still waiting to see that I was banned.

You might say to yourself that I am full of beans or that this was a fluke - Please be aware that within 30 seconds I found other forum threads, players having the EXACT experience I did - pay, items a no-show, suspended accounts. A dozen names...

Infact we found for 4 threads and over 17 pages.

I'd also state, my second ticket is still unanswered - 70+ hours later.

I disputed the payment and uninstalled, however I can view my ticket....my very unanswered ticket.

If that isn't bad enough, my boyfriend also made the same purchase, diferent payment, different location, he never received his items either and also still waiting on ticket, 75+ hours later.

He took the same action.

Originally posted by Neiken

Its a decent game. Its very VERY grindy after level 40, and cash shop intensive at endgame. If you plan on seriously playing endgame be prepared to spend a decent amount of money on it. If you like open world PvP, however, lots of fun is to be had on the PvP server. You'll need some cash there too, so you can keep your eqiups from randomly dropping off of you when being PK'd. Its a lot of fun though if your into that, I sure was >:).

I found the open world PvP rather broken. The moment you're Pk, you're on a downward spiral because of the mechanics used in it. Basically, the only way you can remove your bad reputation is by killing monsters but it goes real slow. Any kill from a 'good guy' lowers your reputation as well and defending yourself does the same. I do hope that these mechanics have changed a bit through time - last time I tried RoM was 2 years ago or so...

If you like WoW so much, I don't see how a person can't afford the monthly sub. 

Its by far the cheapest form of entertainment there is. Skip a meal or movie a month and you have the money so to speak.