Tingly pixels!

And cat-cows. It has cat-cows too. You should see the size of the goddamn litter box.

Originally posted by Comaf

2) No race/class/faction restrictions.

 

Gosh - that had to be hard for them to program. 

 

That's the problem with these video games and why they are not mmorpgs.  Race, class, faction restrictions mirrors epic content.  According to this, you'd prefer if the Tolkien books had Hobbits and Elves killing each other - you do realize the stories would have been crap, right?  How about jedi vs jedi?  Or when they made pacman they should have just let pacman battle it out against miss pacman.  That would have been less restrictive lol.  Or in Star Trek, wouldn't it be much cooler to see the Federation just killing itself on Earth? Or maybe a guild could be Romulan, Vulcan, Klingon, Human, vs a Vulcan, Romulan, Klingon, Human guild.  Man that's GW2 in a nutshell there.

 

This is not epic - this is simple minded gaming mechanics.  So to answer the OP 's question, there's nothing here that hasn't been done a dozen times already.  It's just a carefully marketed Asian grinder if you really look at its concept, animation, and overall focus on appealing to an overseas Asian market (billion + strong).

 

Why it's so hard for kids and a good portion of pre age 30 players to get that epic warfare is about pitting different cultures and races against one another.  Anything less is either gang banging bs (which I can just turn on the news to hear about), or just plain laziness on the part of the developers who continue to cater to the undereducated and easily gratified.

 

I get that a lot of folks get high and login. This is not fair to the rest of us who are educated, well read, individuals.  Smaller minded folks are always going to gravitate toward the easiest "if it's red it's dead" mentality.  When are these companies going to make something really epic?

 

In the case of GW2, why even have lore?  Are you telling me that the Sylvari and Asura are going to kill each other?  Are folks really so simple minded that that type of "lore" even remotely makes sense?

 

Sylvari + Asura

vs

 

Human + Norn

vs

Charr + insert new race

 

Now that's epic.  But god forbid I get to fight a race or class that is different from half the folks on my team. 

Rant over.

GW2 is about a bunch of races getting together to defeat some big ole dragons. There are race divisions. The heroes are fighting against them.  They still have animosities towards one another, but they are putting them aside to defeat the dragons and the races who have become dragon minions. THIS, is what the game is about.  

I'll be honest, I don't get the open world PVP thing.  It's silly.  I remember my 1st experience with an MMO was watching my friends family play everquest, and they all got off on hutning each other down and killing them. This was right before our Dungeons and Dragons session. I asked them what the heck was going on? What was the adventure about.  They just wanted to hunt each other.

That wasn't the orignal intention of MMORPGs. So the idea of building up players to attack other players in a game where neither player can actually die permanently takes away from the immersiion of the game.  It doesn't immitate real world racial rivalries, (I don't know too many cultures who openly attack other cultures, most wars are fought on battlefields or zones).  

I don't get the mind set of a gamer wanting to  kill other gamers, when you're suppose to be a hero trying to save the world. They want stereotypes.   Why can't a Charr be a guardian, maybe this was the guy that siad "hey, i wonder what faith can do for me".  What you want is, well this race can only do this. Why is that? GW2 treats races faiirly relatistically, letting you decide if a class is approripate or not.  If the real world played out like most MMOs I guess I would be playing basketball and shooting gangstas (I'm black).  

I love your analogy, because it's anti your argument.  The players are the good guys of the game. We're the ones playing the game.  So we are the protaganists. So the real question is what kind of game would we have if the pacmen decided to fight each other instead of trying to kill the ghosts? Sure you can write into their history that they had a fight this morning, but ther are freaking ghosts we need to kill.  

You do realize that the concept of STar Trek, also in your analogy, was unity among the races. By the time next generation rolled around there were Klingons in the federation.  The federation is the good guy, the bad guys were the other races who attacked the federation, the good guys, the players.  

I don't  think this argument has anything to do with age.  Most 30 years olds i game with (i'm 35) have played real rpgs and don't see any point in pvp.  We have a strongdisagreement about what epicwarfare is. Epicwarfare has nothing to do about race. It has to do, 99% of the time, about differences in ideologies.  Again, GW2 is about those races supporting the dragons versus us, who are opposing them. 

If you understand the lore, you'll know the Charr still don't like the humans. That no one really understands the Sylvari.  But these gripes are put aside for the better good of mankind.  

Your analogy does not sound very coherent. Why would these factions be fighting against each other when the fate of mankind hangs inthe balance. Why is there an artificial conflict needed when there's already a natural one. 

GW2 is not an open world pvp.  Sorry. I know that's what you want but its not that game. There are a dozne or so games with open world PVP.  

Originally posted by Comaf
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That's the problem with these video games and why they are not mmorpgs.  Race, class, faction restrictions mirrors epic content.  According to this, you'd prefer if the Tolkien books had Hobbits and Elves killing each other - you do realize the stories would have been crap, right?  How about jedi vs jedi?  Or when they made pacman they should have just let pacman battle it out against miss pacman.  That would have been less restrictive lol.  Or in Star Trek, wouldn't it be much cooler to see the Federation just killing itself on Earth? Or maybe a guild could be Romulan, Vulcan, Klingon, Human, vs a Vulcan, Romulan, Klingon, Human guild.  Man that's GW2 in a nutshell there.

 

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Well obviously someone has never read the Silmarillion, how about you go and read what Tokien actually wrote before coming back about how "well read" you are?

I'll give a hint, Tokien's books are filled with strife both between and within the childrens of Illuvatar, in fact the entire history of Middle Earth is based on it.

So why don't you go and actually read Tolkien's works.

Originally posted by Skuall

some a-net dev said....

 

players usually dont "explore" ,  no quest said me to go to that cave...so i avoid it until quests tell me to go there ....why waste my time killing mobs there when 10 mins later i gonna get a quest to kill the same mobs?

 

thats whats wrong with other mmorpgs!

 

and thats why Gw2 is amazing , i can go WHEREVER I WANT TO QUEST , i want to go to that cave underwater? np

want to change and climb that mountain? ok

now i prefer to go into this woods....!

 

ITS THE PLAYER who choose where to quest ....hell u can even go back and explore zones , your lvl will go down and u will still have a challenge !!!!

outleveling zones?  not in gw2!

It's very "skyrim" like in that effect.  I can go somewhere and find adventure.  

Originally posted by meari

Originally posted by Comaf
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That's the problem with these video games and why they are not mmorpgs.  Race, class, faction restrictions mirrors epic content.  According to this, you'd prefer if the Tolkien books had Hobbits and Elves killing each other - you do realize the stories would have been crap, right?  How about jedi vs jedi?  Or when they made pacman they should have just let pacman battle it out against miss pacman.  That would have been less restrictive lol.  Or in Star Trek, wouldn't it be much cooler to see the Federation just killing itself on Earth? Or maybe a guild could be Romulan, Vulcan, Klingon, Human, vs a Vulcan, Romulan, Klingon, Human guild.  Man that's GW2 in a nutshell there.

 

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Well obviously someone has never read the Silmarillion, how about you go and read what Tokien actually wrote before coming back about how "well read" you are?

I'll give a hint, Tokien's books are filled with strife both between and within the childrens of Illuvatar, in fact the entire history of Middle Earth is based on it.

So why don't you go and actually read Tolkien's works.

TAnd aren't jedi actually fighting other jedi, just those that have gone to the darkside? 

Originally posted by dontadow

Originally posted by Skuall

some a-net dev said....

 

players usually dont "explore" ,  no quest said me to go to that cave...so i avoid it until quests tell me to go there ....why waste my time killing mobs there when 10 mins later i gonna get a quest to kill the same mobs?

 

thats whats wrong with other mmorpgs!

 

and thats why Gw2 is amazing , i can go WHEREVER I WANT TO QUEST , i want to go to that cave underwater? np

want to change and climb that mountain? ok

now i prefer to go into this woods....!

 

ITS THE PLAYER who choose where to quest ....hell u can even go back and explore zones , your lvl will go down and u will still have a challenge !!!!

outleveling zones?  not in gw2!

It's very "skyrim" like in that effect.  I can go somewhere and find adventure.  

It does remind me of Skyrim in that you can go anywhere.  I like the characters can use multiple types of weapons.

I think the world PvP is going to be allot of fun!  I think you can join PvP at level 1 if I'm not mistaken, which no other online game offered that I know of.

Game just looks great!

GW2 in a nutshell.

If you can dodge a wrench, you can dodge a fireball.

Originally posted by dontadow

Originally posted by meari

Originally posted by Comaf
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That's the problem with these video games and why they are not mmorpgs.  Race, class, faction restrictions mirrors epic content.  According to this, you'd prefer if the Tolkien books had Hobbits and Elves killing each other - you do realize the stories would have been crap, right?  How about jedi vs jedi?  Or when they made pacman they should have just let pacman battle it out against miss pacman.  That would have been less restrictive lol.  Or in Star Trek, wouldn't it be much cooler to see the Federation just killing itself on Earth? Or maybe a guild could be Romulan, Vulcan, Klingon, Human, vs a Vulcan, Romulan, Klingon, Human guild.  Man that's GW2 in a nutshell there.

 

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Well obviously someone has never read the Silmarillion, how about you go and read what Tokien actually wrote before coming back about how "well read" you are?

I'll give a hint, Tokien's books are filled with strife both between and within the childrens of Illuvatar, in fact the entire history of Middle Earth is based on it.

So why don't you go and actually read Tolkien's works.

TAnd aren't jedi actually fighting other jedi, just those that have gone to the darkside? 

jedi killing jedi happens alot in star wars EU(expanded univerese)

jedi civil war anyone

fallen jedi

jedi being possesed

Something to note is that Gear does matter in this game, it's just that you don't have to raid to get the "best gear".

Originally posted by moosecatlol

Something to note is that Gear does matter in this game, it's just that you don't have to raid to get the "best gear".

yes its more about customizing the stats on gear instead of getting gear with better stats

and getting better looking gear

Why was this thread even made when Google has all the answers?