Originally posted by Monorojo

If people have the right to be optomistic here, then people have the same right to be skeptical. You guys are hating on any skepticism of the game you have never played thoroughly but already love and defend like it is your baby.

 

There is something fundamentally wrong here.

This is the OP, contributing to a SWTOR troll thread.

Originally posted by Maephisto

Originally posted by Monorojo

If people have the right to be optomistic here, then people have the same right to be skeptical. You guys are hating on any skepticism of the game you have never played thoroughly but already love and defend like it is your baby.

 

There is something fundamentally wrong here.

This is the OP, contributing to a SWTOR troll thread.

:O confirmed troll is confirmed?!

lmao this thread is so good.

Originally posted by Monorojo

Originally posted by itgrowls

uhm scuse me, is this thread actually STILL open? .....(goes and looks for the manager stops a waitress) HEY!

What exactly is wrong with this thread? Are you all supposed to be praising this unfinished product that has shown very little content past lvl 30 and calling it the next great thing in gaming? Is there no room for unbiased skepticism?

If you are a human who interated with society at any point of your life, you cannot be unbias, humans are wired to think with assumptions, we like to think we make decisions and choices logically and unbias, but we can't. By simply even talking with one person and conveyed any kind of information, you are anchored by their thinking, positively or negatively.

As for very little content past level 30

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=videos&search_query=guild+wars+2+high+level&uni=3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfE_Xu9H1Bw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-healkDctCw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fb4O-2vNE_g

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mr2wBRnewpI

Another thing, the greatest design choice made by ANet is that lower level content is not obsolete the moment you level up, because with no normal quest chains, you can easily miss some events, and by scaling, you can experience first level content as well as endgame content any time you want. You aren't just limit to one zone per level range.

Originally posted by Monorojo

I'm sorry but I have been tricked by this level of hype before and I will not be tricked again. With the (arguably) pay to win model, the incredibly simplistic combat, the unbalanced zerg fest that is WvWvW, etc....I just do not see what the fanatics are smoking.

 

I have high hopes for Guild Wars 2 but will not be playing until the unrealistic hype is crushed and the game is brought back down to earth.

Well then in  that case you haven't bought into any hype have you?

Hype is generating excitement and expectations well beyond what is considered reasonable for a property.

But you list things, whether they are true or not, that indicate that you haven't listened to any hype. So the reality is that you are not avoiding the game because of hype but because of your notions that what you say is true.

As far as "hype" goes, it's ridiculous for people to allow other people to dictate what they should do because of hype. If people were less inclined to allow others to make their decisions and instead did their own research then I think people would be less inclined to feel the need to splay their displeasure all over the forums every chance they get.

It's really simple: do our research, compare it to what you think is possible/not possible, take promises with a grain of salt (remember, just because a game company says that something is included doesn't mean that it's included in exactly the way you want it to be) compare it to what you like/don't like and then make a decision.

Allowing oneself to believe that any game is a holy grail is a sure fire way to be dissapointed.

At the same time, taking these games for what they are, instead of what you want them to be, might lead to greater enjoyment.

You know, its not impossible either. 

If I remember correctly games with this kind of hype usually have a reason for having this much hype.

Such as Skyrim, one of the most played games.

Call of Duty broke entertainment industry records when there was this kind of hype for their games.

Its not like there isn't gameplay out there, there are people playing this game, releasing videos, ect ect, and the hype is still there. Its not like its hype without some form of foundation. 

To me it just seems like you're looking for something to be wrong with the game, which isn't all that bad of an idea, but your going to let other people hold you from it for up to six months simply because they enjoy it?

Seems pretty illogical. 

The hype is up because the Guild Wars community "know" the devs to an extent by now, I mean there are a few of us who have been playing the first game for seven years, we've watched and seen as A-Net devs released tons of awesome  content and constantly tried to make the game better, for quite literally seven years. And it wasn't just a little content they would release, entire games that added new maps to Guild Wars were made, because it's what the community wanted. Now to think that these guys have actually put five years into this game so far is awesome. Not only that, but those of us from the first Guild Wars know how crazy about details A-Net is. 

Just becuase I am enjoying the dynamic world events that promote OWPvP in another game (that will not be mentioned here to keep this topic as unbiased as possible) does not mean I am not open minded to other games in the market.

One week closer to beta weekend, my friend preordered the game (I tried to stop him so many times. I stopped several of my other friends from prepurchasing thankfully but failed with him :'( ) and he said I will be able to try the game out first hand.

I will be sure to make a topic here to say if the deta weekend has changed my mind or not. We shall see :)

Originally posted by Monorojo

Just becuase I am enjoying the dynamic world events that promote OWPvP in another game (that will not be mentioned here to keep this topic as unbiased as possible) does not mean I am not open minded to other games in the market.

One week closer to beta weekend, my friend preordered the game (I tried to stop him so many times. I stopped several of my other friends from prepurchasing thankfully but failed with him :'( ) and he said I will be able to try the game out first hand.

I will be sure to make a topic here to say if the deta weekend has changed my mind or not. We shall see :)

I have not seen one game with 'dynamic' world event, or at least as dynamic as GW2 promised, nor have any game tried. If you are refering to SWTOR first world event, I haven't seen it promote any OWPvP.

Also, would you apologise to your friends if you change your mind about GW2? You did make them miss the beta weekends? For a B2P game, the chance that the box price dropping in the first 6 months are extremely low, because that where majority of the money comes from.

And for a B2P game, there is no different cost from buying pre-purchase to day one to 6 months. Its still 60 dollars.

But from buying early, you mingle with the majority of the community with the same pace, playing and learning about the game with them, you get pre-purchase bonus, and beta weekends.

And most importantly, don't like the game? Stop, and if you have a change of mind, come back and play it with no cost.

You gonna bring in the whole CS argument? This is a game with a box price, not perfect world entertainment that dishes out their game like hot pancakes with additional charging for maple syrup. They already covered their initial development cost with the box price, they don't need to be intrusive with the CS as F2P games.

Plus B2P is the original method that games are sold. As a product, not a service.

Originally posted by Monorojo

If people have the right to be optomistic here, then people have the same right to be skeptical. You guys are hating on any skepticism of the game you have never played thoroughly but already love and defend like it is your baby.

 

There is something fundamentally wrong here.

Many are prolly longterm players of GW1 and watched many gameplay video's and previews to know what the game is all about.

So logic defense is defend at all cost Guild Wars2 BABY:)

Those who are spectic or just haters have prolly even less knowledge of game so in a way the fanbois have more right to protect there BABY:)

As long its not personal and hatred i dont see any fundamentally wrong with defenders.

I will prod it with a stick for a bit. If it doesn't explode or die then I will play.

Originally posted by Monorojo

I will be sure to make a topic here to say if the beta weekend has changed my mind or not. We shall see :)

Getting your own hands on the game is the only way to know for sure.

I don't think the hype is "unrealistic" though.  Yes, there is a lot of it, but it's actually based on reality this time.  It's not just big promises and no evidence like Black & White, Spore, Fable, etc...

Sw:ToR had an NDA right up until release, so beta testers could say nothing, and show nothing.  GW2 has had several press beta events, fan days, gameplay stations at major conventions, and in every case people could see what ANet had promised, play through it themselves, and write up whatever kind of review they want.  And 99% of those said holy cow, this game does actually live up to the promises that were made.

It may be this game is not what you want, and that's cool, but from every review I've read it sounds like the game does live up to the promises that ArenaNet has made about the game.  The hype is founded in reality.

Originally posted by Monorojo

I'm sorry but I have been tricked by this level of hype before and I will not be tricked again. With the (arguably) pay to win model, the incredibly simplistic combat, the unbalanced zerg fest that is WvWvW, etc....I just do not see what the fanatics are smoking.

 

I have high hopes for Guild Wars 2 but will not be playing until the unrealistic hype is crushed and the game is brought back down to earth.

HAving watched people play this at an event i can tell you it is over hyped.... not saying it looked bad or anything just not the second coming of jesus..

I will wait until its in the bargain bin as its not worth spending £50 on..

Please note i am sure others will lap this game up

No, I think the hype about this game is warranted.  I'm looking forward to playing it

I only recently started checking out info on GW2, TSW, because I didn't want people's hype to form my opinon on the games. I have however known about GW2 being in development for years now. I pre-paid for GW2 already, because SWTOR was so horrid. I figure if it's good, I've paid $60 bucks for it and I'm happy. If it's bad, hey I'm only out $60 and that's less than I spent on SWTOR. Even with SWTOR being a flop I still felt I got my money's worth. I played 2 months, I treated it as a console game I'd played a few times. TSW I will wait 3-6 months to see how it goes before I decide to try it out. I started with UO, DAOC, Asheron's Call, and years later moved to WoW after ToA from DAOC. What I'm really hoping is GW2 can be my next MMO that I play for years, like the previous ones I enjoyed so much.