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  BartDaCat

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4/09/12 10:44:22 AM#41
Originally posted by jondifool

I think it helps to dicern between us and them sometimes.

Us is the burned out MMO hardcores that simply have so high expectations because we have seen most of what this genre comes up with, and we just know how much more it can give. We are the divorced people looking for the perfekt partner, and hopes next time will bring that.. We are the ones discussing our failed dates in this forum (in bad reviews!).  We are the MMO worlds grown ups, fast getting grumpy old men.

Them is the ones playing SWTOR and liking it. Now they are fans of that game for many different reasons. They are properly not burned out MMO veterans, but rather sci-fi fans, everything starwarsfans, bioware storytelling likers, wowkids ready for wow-in-space. They properly like most of the things in the game,  the grind, the quests, the holy trinity, the imersion of spending time in airports getting to a planet, the story,  lightsabres  and so on. And why shouldn't they? They are the MMO teenagers, having fun.

For them to become us, they have to spend years, like we have done, climbing the ladder, grinding the wheel of progression, and having a good time enjoying it until enough repetion gets enough. And burnout sets in. 

For us to become them we have to hope against better knowledge, taking a chance and see if imersing in the next game can holds os captive enough to fall in love again. We have to create hype to be able to hope against our sceptisism and experience.

And if you after reading this, recognise yourself as a MMO veteran and do like and play SWTOR, and don't feel like you fit the MMO teenager describtion, know that we envy you. For not being us anymore and getting closer to being them. Because even if you are not a MMOteenager, you have manage to fall in love with a game, and thats an achivement.  If you can manage to tell us how you beat the odds, and did it as a non MMO tenager, I like to listen, because that would be interesting.

And meanwhile I will go back to us and show pity to the ones that have not found what they seeked in this game. Trying to hold back my grumpy old man voice wanting to say "I told you- you will not find it here". And instead just giving comfort and acknowledge that those who burned them self here actual tried. And that might be better than being me and not even be able to hype my self up to give most games a try anymore.

And I will try not to get cought up in a us mode where we just get even more grumpy about why this game doesn't work for us.

Anyway to all of us , good seeking

 

BEAUTIFULLY WRITTEN!  My hat off to you, good sir!

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  musicmann

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Joined: 12/25/05
Posts: 1122

4/09/12 10:49:36 AM#42
Originally posted by Aquazen
Originally posted by jondifool

I think it helps to dicern between us and them sometimes.

Us is the burned out MMO hardcores that simply have so high expectations because we have seen most of what this genre comes up with, and we just know how much more it can give. We are the divorced people looking for the perfekt partner, and hopes next time will bring that.. We are the ones discussing our failed dates in this forum (in bad reviews!).  We are the MMO worlds grown ups, fast getting grumpy old men.

Them is the ones playing SWTOR and liking it. Now they are fans of that game for many different reasons. They are properly not burned out MMO veterans, but rather sci-fi fans, everything starwarsfans, bioware storytelling likers, wowkids ready for wow-in-space. They properly like most of the things in the game,  the grind, the quests, the holy trinity, the imersion of spending time in airports getting to a planet, the story,  lightsabres  and so on. And why shouldn't they? They are the MMO teenagers, having fun.

For them to become us, they have to spend years, like we have done, climbing the ladder, grinding the wheel of progression, and having a good time enjoying it until enough repetion gets enough. And burnout sets in. 

For us to become them we have to hope against better knowledge, taking a chance and see if imersing in the next game can holds os captive enough to fall in love again. We have to create hype to be able to hope against our sceptisism and experience.

And if you after reading this, recognise yourself as a MMO veteran and do like and play SWTOR, and don't feel like you fit the MMO teenager describtion, know that we envy you. For not being us anymore and getting closer to being them. Because even if you are not a MMOteenager, you have manage to fall in love with a game, and thats an achivement.  If you can manage to tell us how you beat the odds, and did it as a non MMO tenager, I like to listen, because that would be interesting.

And meanwhile I will go back to us and show pity to the ones that have not found what they seeked in this game. Trying to hold back my grumpy old man voice wanting to say "I told you- you will not find it here". And instead just giving comfort and acknowledge that those who burned them self here actual tried. And that might be better than being me and not even be able to hype my self up to give most games a try anymore.

And I will try not to get cought up in a us mode where we just get even more grumpy about why this game doesn't work for us.

Anyway to all of us , good seeking

 

    This


For me, i'm a SW fan first and a mmorpg player second. TOR, while having the SW in it doesn't really capture the broad and indepth feeling that the IP has to offer, but also hand holds you in a way that only a SPRPG can which takes it pretty far away from an actual mmorpg.

  musicmann

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Posts: 1122

4/09/12 10:57:25 AM#43
Originally posted by GMan3
Originally posted by Bunks
Originally posted by william0532
Originally posted by Kakkzooka

I still can't believe how people can't believe how bad it is. There have been multiple warnings from numerous, credible sources about the poor quality of this game.

Still . . . people are like, "Maybe I'll give it a try." WHY? You've heard how bad it is. What would compel you to play? Is it the licking the battery syndrome? You just want to experience the pain? 

Good gravy, man - protect your money!

cmon, it was worth buying the game. Not worth the sub, but a single playthrough is pretty fun(Bh class anyway) I've heard the republic stories where not that great(my smugglers story was a bit, well dumb)

I enjoyed my initial investment, but than again I shovel alot of lucas's crap down my throat because its starwars.

Still worth the initial playthrough though in my honest opinon.

My kids would disgree with you. Neither got past level 30ish

    My 16 year old son would disagree with both of you (I don't have a goat for a child).  He worked a summer job to earn the money to buy this game himself.  Pays the sub himself, and has been loving it since the day it went live.


Well, my 15 yr. old nephew not only played TOR when i was subbed but SWG when he was a younger and told me that SWG was more fun because it had so much more to do and and felt more like SW. He even played Jedi Outcast and thought that was more fun than TOR and by no means is he even a big SW fan. His younger brothers, when i showed them TOR asked me if they could train pets like the SW game i use to play.

  Ghabbo

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Joined: 9/02/11
Posts: 207

4/09/12 10:59:13 AM#44
Originally posted by jondifool

I think it helps to dicern between us and them sometimes.

Us is the burned out MMO hardcores that simply have so high expectations because we have seen most of what this genre comes up with, and we just know how much more it can give. We are the divorced people looking for the perfekt partner, and hopes next time will bring that.. We are the ones discussing our failed dates in this forum (in bad reviews!).  We are the MMO worlds grown ups, fast getting grumpy old men.

Them is the ones playing SWTOR and liking it. Now they are fans of that game for many different reasons. They are properly not burned out MMO veterans, but rather sci-fi fans, everything starwarsfans, bioware storytelling likers, wowkids ready for wow-in-space. They properly like most of the things in the game,  the grind, the quests, the holy trinity, the imersion of spending time in airports getting to a planet, the story,  lightsabres  and so on. And why shouldn't they? They are the MMO teenagers, having fun.

For them to become us, they have to spend years, like we have done, climbing the ladder, grinding the wheel of progression, and having a good time enjoying it until enough repetion gets enough. And burnout sets in. 

For us to become them we have to hope against better knowledge, taking a chance and see if imersing in the next game can holds os captive enough to fall in love again. We have to create hype to be able to hope against our sceptisism and experience.

And if you after reading this, recognise yourself as a MMO veteran and do like and play SWTOR, and don't feel like you fit the MMO teenager describtion, know that we envy you. For not being us anymore and getting closer to being them. Because even if you are not a MMOteenager, you have manage to fall in love with a game, and thats an achivement.  If you can manage to tell us how you beat the odds, and did it as a non MMO tenager, I like to listen, because that would be interesting.

And meanwhile I will go back to us and show pity to the ones that have not found what they seeked in this game. Trying to hold back my grumpy old man voice wanting to say "I told you- you will not find it here". And instead just giving comfort and acknowledge that those who burned them self here actual tried. And that might be better than being me and not even be able to hype my self up to give most games a try anymore.

And I will try not to get cought up in a us mode where we just get even more grumpy about why this game doesn't work for us.

Anyway to all of us , good seeking

 

 

Wow, I mean... wow

 

This should be the prologue to 90% of the MMO threads.

  eddieg50

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Joined: 6/22/05
Posts: 1482

4/09/12 11:06:29 AM#45
Originally posted by jondifool

I think it helps to dicern between us and them sometimes.

Us is the burned out MMO hardcores that simply have so high expectations because we have seen most of what this genre comes up with, and we just know how much more it can give. We are the divorced people looking for the perfekt partner, and hopes next time will bring that.. We are the ones discussing our failed dates in this forum (in bad reviews!).  We are the MMO worlds grown ups, fast getting grumpy old men.

Them is the ones playing SWTOR and liking it. Now they are fans of that game for many different reasons. They are properly not burned out MMO veterans, but rather sci-fi fans, everything starwarsfans, bioware storytelling likers, wowkids ready for wow-in-space. They properly like most of the things in the game,  the grind, the quests, the holy trinity, the imersion of spending time in airports getting to a planet, the story,  lightsabres  and so on. And why shouldn't they? They are the MMO teenagers, having fun.

For them to become us, they have to spend years, like we have done, climbing the ladder, grinding the wheel of progression, and having a good time enjoying it until enough repetion gets enough. And burnout sets in. 

For us to become them we have to hope against better knowledge, taking a chance and see if imersing in the next game can holds os captive enough to fall in love again. We have to create hype to be able to hope against our sceptisism and experience.

And if you after reading this, recognise yourself as a MMO veteran and do like and play SWTOR, and don't feel like you fit the MMO teenager describtion, know that we envy you. For not being us anymore and getting closer to being them. Because even if you are not a MMOteenager, you have manage to fall in love with a game, and thats an achivement.  If you can manage to tell us how you beat the odds, and did it as a non MMO tenager, I like to listen, because that would be interesting.

And meanwhile I will go back to us and show pity to the ones that have not found what they seeked in this game. Trying to hold back my grumpy old man voice wanting to say "I told you- you will not find it here". And instead just giving comfort and acknowledge that those who burned them self here actual tried. And that might be better than being me and not even be able to hype my self up to give most games a try anymore.

And I will try not to get cought up in a us mode where we just get even more grumpy about why this game doesn't work for us.

Anyway to all of us , good seeking

 

    Well i have been playing video games since Pong (were there video games before then?) and I have been playing mmo's since Everquest many years ago. The only mmo's I have truly enjoyed were Shadowbane and Vanguard, and the PvP in guild wars, well I guess Lotro to but not so much. I tried SWG-beautifull planets, nice crafting, good space game but found it to much like a giant chat room.    Amy way I am a  gaming and mmo vet (although not super hard core) and I do like and play SWTOR and am sorry that you cant see the goodness in it ( I would not worry to much, I hate EVE,  to much dark screen with little dots and you are just a space shipl).    I could explain to you why I like SWTOR but that would be like somone explaining to me why they like EVE, in other words it would go in one ear and out the other and I would just not get it.   But you asked so I will tell- I like Swtor because I have fallen in love with the story telling of Bioware, I could go on but it is that simple.  Good luck in finding the mmo that will make you happy!

  MindTrigger

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Posts: 2628

4/09/12 11:15:55 AM#46
Originally posted by Ghabbo
Originally posted by jondifool

I think it helps to dicern between us and them sometimes.

Us is the burned out MMO hardcores that simply have so high expectations because we have seen most of what this genre comes up with, and we just know how much more it can give. We are the divorced people looking for the perfekt partner, and hopes next time will bring that.. We are the ones discussing our failed dates in this forum (in bad reviews!).  We are the MMO worlds grown ups, fast getting grumpy old men.

Them is the ones playing SWTOR and liking it. Now they are fans of that game for many different reasons. They are properly not burned out MMO veterans, but rather sci-fi fans, everything starwarsfans, bioware storytelling likers, wowkids ready for wow-in-space. They properly like most of the things in the game,  the grind, the quests, the holy trinity, the imersion of spending time in airports getting to a planet, the story,  lightsabres  and so on. And why shouldn't they? They are the MMO teenagers, having fun.

For them to become us, they have to spend years, like we have done, climbing the ladder, grinding the wheel of progression, and having a good time enjoying it until enough repetion gets enough. And burnout sets in. 

For us to become them we have to hope against better knowledge, taking a chance and see if imersing in the next game can holds os captive enough to fall in love again. We have to create hype to be able to hope against our sceptisism and experience.

And if you after reading this, recognise yourself as a MMO veteran and do like and play SWTOR, and don't feel like you fit the MMO teenager describtion, know that we envy you. For not being us anymore and getting closer to being them. Because even if you are not a MMOteenager, you have manage to fall in love with a game, and thats an achivement.  If you can manage to tell us how you beat the odds, and did it as a non MMO tenager, I like to listen, because that would be interesting.

And meanwhile I will go back to us and show pity to the ones that have not found what they seeked in this game. Trying to hold back my grumpy old man voice wanting to say "I told you- you will not find it here". And instead just giving comfort and acknowledge that those who burned them self here actual tried. And that might be better than being me and not even be able to hype my self up to give most games a try anymore.

And I will try not to get cought up in a us mode where we just get even more grumpy about why this game doesn't work for us.

Anyway to all of us , good seeking

 

 

Wow, I mean... wow

 

This should be the prologue to 90% of the MMO threads.

 

The problem with this "hardcores are just burned out" theory is that it's fundamentally flawed.  You don't take the dumbing down of MMO games over the last several years into account.  I'm not burnt out on playing MMOs at all.  I'm tired of seeing every released game get easier, hold my hand more (read: stuff story down my throat), and offer fewer features and options.  In a genre so full of promise, we've watched these games become less and less interesting.  We aren't burned out. We're wondering where the adventure went.

If my time in this genre taints my vision of SWTOR, it's because I know how much more interesting and adventurous these games can be if the developers can learn to be original again, and put the power of creating a story back into the players hands.  The biggest problem with SWTOR in my mind is that it's forcing me to live some story I didn't ask for.  It has lots of other problems that I won't get into here, but it has nothing at all to do with me being a "burned out veteran".

I've more or less let this game go since the first month after release, but I can't help but be bummed about the waste of what could be an amazing MMORPG intellectual property being tied up with Bioware's Massively Single Player game for the next 5+ years.  I have lost all respect for Bioware, because it seems to me that they simply watered down their RPG concepts, added a few MMO features, and then decided to charge a sub fee for it all.  I'm happy for those who are enjoying the game, but I still say it has no legs.  As soon as something more interesting comes out (which *might be* GW2), SWTOR stands a good chance of ending up on life-support like so many other MMOs in recent years.  Whether that represents a business failure for Bioware and EA or not doesn't matter to me.

 

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  just1opinion

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4/09/12 11:23:20 AM#47
Originally posted by Calerxes
Originally posted by SnarkRitter
Originally posted by palulalula

Imagine only how bad will be GW2 -no mounts, no real story, no battlegrounds, no pve. If SWTOR is not enough for you don't even try with gw2 because there you have even less of everything

I don't want to turn this thread into another SWTOR vs GW2 thread so I'll give this short: You, sir, are wrong on everything except the first one ;)

 

How long have you been playing GW2? 

 

Better question....how long has "palulalula" been playing GW2?  He seems to think he has some inside information, since all but his first point disagrees with all the beta reviews I've seen......

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  UtukuMoon

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4/09/12 11:29:52 AM#48
Originally posted by Kakkzooka

I still can't believe how people can't believe how bad it is. There have been multiple warnings from numerous, credible sources about the poor quality of this game.

Still . . . people are like, "Maybe I'll give it a try." WHY? You've heard how bad it is. What would compel you to play? Is it the licking the battery syndrome? You just want to experience the pain?

 

Good gravy, man - protect your money!

Yeah this...

 

 

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  Wolvards

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4/09/12 11:30:43 AM#49

Honestly comparing SW:TOR to WAR, i enjoyed WAR much more than i enjoyed SW... WAR atleast had some solid non-instanced PvP, and the instances were pretty good too, it had, in my opinion, more class choices, more variety. And you could get some epic low level PvP fights, i remember defending castles in WAR much better from a year or two ago, than i do 3 months ago from hutt-ball. To me it felt like SW:TOR had one team, cause the classes were soooo similar. it just felt like red VS blue over half the time. I don't know, i will probably go back to TOR after a year or so, let them balance classes, come out with new content, and hopefully they will add something for open world PvP, or something similar to it, make a new planet where that is all it is... just a thought.

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  BigHatLogan2

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4/09/12 11:45:31 AM#50
Originally posted by eddieg50

  Oh boy another Let me be famous by bashing SWTOR thread, I would ask for the op's stuff but since he prob did not get any good stuff, what is the sense. 

     Once again let me explain:   Bioware is a story telling game company, that is what they do and they do it very well: Baldurs gate, Planescape Torment, Baldurs Gate2 shadows of amin, Dragon Age, Mass Effect 1,2 and 3, Kotar 1 and 2, never winters night and all expansions, etc. So who would possibly think they would come out with an old traditional, stuffy mmo, Now you might think  they would come out with a Story a Plot, Voice Overs, Cut Scenes, great sound and production and mix that with some traditional mmo elements.  Bioware truly wanted to make a mmoRPG and did,  I enjoy most of it with the exception of the space game which needs to be fleshed out

Except that everyone has to Role Play the same damn character.  It's really more like watching a movie with some extremely boring content in between cut scenes.  Bioware has always been about telling the story they want to tell without giving you any real ability to play your own character.  You play their character.  Except for the NWN1 modding community, NWN is a brilliantly made game.

  Ikisis

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4/09/12 11:52:00 AM#51
Originally posted by Draenor

Sure are a lot of people badmouthing the game who never played it:

 

The game is phenominal until the level cap...if you only got to level 30 and lost interest, you either have ADD or you weren't paying any attention to your class story.

 

Yeah, the end game is lacking, and it's not as complete as WoW, but it's as complete and even better than just about every other MMO out there in terms of end-game content, ESPECIALLY considering how recent the launch was.  Realistically, the game has about double the content that WoW did at launch, it's just that the MMO playing community has become completely spoiled.

 

SWTOR is a massive game with a lot to offer...the problem with it is that it's based very heavily on an element that only lasts up until the level cap, that being the story.  It was a predicatble problem that I had hoped that it would overcome more adequately...sadly it has not and I will be canceling until I can play more of my class storyline, or until I get some motivation to play another class.

 

It's not a bad game...the end game is just not very compelling.

Did we play the same game?


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  paulytheb

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4/09/12 11:58:52 AM#52
Originally posted by Wolvards

Honestly comparing SW:TOR to WAR, i enjoyed WAR much more than i enjoyed SW... WAR atleast had some solid non-instanced PvP, and the instances were pretty good too, it had, in my opinion, more class choices, more variety. And you could get some epic low level PvP fights, i remember defending castles in WAR much better from a year or two ago, than i do 3 months ago from hutt-ball. To me it felt like SW:TOR had one team, cause the classes were soooo similar. it just felt like red VS blue over half the time. I don't know, i will probably go back to TOR after a year or so, let them balance classes, come out with new content, and hopefully they will add something for open world PvP, or something similar to it, make a new planet where that is all it is... just a thought.

 

I don't think it can be saved. The concept of story first is flawed in a MMO. Provide an interesting backdrop and People will make up their own stories, it is more fun.The problem in a MMO is, what if you don't like the story?

Online games need to be smooth playing and lag free. WoW for the most part is smooth playing and lag free. Even in places like Dalaran it wasn't game breaking.  SWTOR failed.

If you love all things Star Wars, read all the books, like Clone Wars Tv show, then you will probably like SWTOR.

I myself, found it lacking and I was deeply disappointed and had much buyers regret.

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  Cthulhu23

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4/09/12 12:06:38 PM#53
Originally posted by Ikisis
Originally posted by Draenor

Sure are a lot of people badmouthing the game who never played it:

 

The game is phenominal until the level cap...if you only got to level 30 and lost interest, you either have ADD or you weren't paying any attention to your class story.

 

Yeah, the end game is lacking, and it's not as complete as WoW, but it's as complete and even better than just about every other MMO out there in terms of end-game content, ESPECIALLY considering how recent the launch was.  Realistically, the game has about double the content that WoW did at launch, it's just that the MMO playing community has become completely spoiled.

 

SWTOR is a massive game with a lot to offer...the problem with it is that it's based very heavily on an element that only lasts up until the level cap, that being the story.  It was a predicatble problem that I had hoped that it would overcome more adequately...sadly it has not and I will be canceling until I can play more of my class storyline, or until I get some motivation to play another class.

 

It's not a bad game...the end game is just not very compelling.

Did we play the same game?

I'm not sure about you, but I played the same game as Draenor.  He's spot on in his analysis.  TOR is a very good game, but Bioware needlessly boxed themselves in with the story, and compounded that with a very poor world design.  It's got a ton of content, but very little freedom to explore that content outside of how Bioware WANTS you to explore it in terms of the storyline.  

But Bioware has shown so far that it is committed to making the game better, and they've got the money to do just that.  I'm just not sure how much they are going to continue to be boxed in the story when improving the game in the future.  And I'm also concerned that they are taking the same approach to updating the game as Trion did with Rift:  Pile up endgame content and don't add anything to the pre-endgame mix.  For a game so reliant on story, and so invested in the "play an alt to experience more story" angle, not expanding on that leveling experience would be a huge mistake.

  eycel

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4/09/12 12:18:22 PM#54

There are alot of good things in this game, it just makes me wonder why everyone jumps to the "this game is terrible honestly, its true, no kidding stuff" when there is alot to like about the game.  If your an mmo fan and you bought the game your self and played it on your new hardware you might have an idea what im talking about. 

I think the way the zones were layed out is better then any other mmo Iv ever played and quest progression is very spot on. The story flows with a great ambience of Star Wars on either faction.  The art style is very beatifull, the combat is resposive and fun with many CC abilities and great looking animations to bash threw mobs, Iv never had so much fun just killing mobs in a mmo.  It does alot of things good and people should at least be able to find the good things from the bad when bashing the game.

There are things of course that it dosnt do so well, the pvp isnt all that great with only a handfull of areas to do that.  The game dosnt really flow that well outside of the player group questing, socially. It breaks down and dosnt really recover in some ways, the entire game world isnt really developed that well to be honest, lots of open space when there dosnt need to be, and in places the game just feels thrown togather and call it good sorta like.  I guess the ambience and atmoshpere outside of questing really breaks down to nothingness fast.  

 

  eddieg50

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4/09/12 1:40:45 PM#55
Originally posted by BigHatLogan
Originally posted by eddieg50

  Oh boy another Let me be famous by bashing SWTOR thread, I would ask for the op's stuff but since he prob did not get any good stuff, what is the sense. 

     Once again let me explain:   Bioware is a story telling game company, that is what they do and they do it very well: Baldurs gate, Planescape Torment, Baldurs Gate2 shadows of amin, Dragon Age, Mass Effect 1,2 and 3, Kotar 1 and 2, never winters night and all expansions, etc. So who would possibly think they would come out with an old traditional, stuffy mmo, Now you might think  they would come out with a Story a Plot, Voice Overs, Cut Scenes, great sound and production and mix that with some traditional mmo elements.  Bioware truly wanted to make a mmoRPG and did,  I enjoy most of it with the exception of the space game which needs to be fleshed out

Except that everyone has to Role Play the same damn character.  It's really more like watching a movie with some extremely boring content in between cut scenes.  Bioware has always been about telling the story they want to tell without giving you any real ability to play your own character.  You play their character.  Except for the NWN1 modding community, NWN is a brilliantly made game.

   Well of course everyone has to roll play the same character because it is an mmo not an single player game, nothing you can do about that. tell you the truth I dont look at the player near me and ask "does that player have the same story as me" I assume he does and say thats fine, I dont get what the problem is?   I do think Bioware did a very good job fitting their single player experience into an mmoRPG, I dont think it is as good as lets say Dragon Age but it is a heck of alot better than dragon age 2 and what is great about this is being an mmo bioware can add, shape , change stories or elements of their mmo and I see it getting better, the 1.2 patch will bring some interesting features like the legacy

  garretth

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4/09/12 2:18:21 PM#56
Originally posted by jondifool

I think it helps to dicern between us and them sometimes.

Us is the burned out MMO hardcores that simply have so high expectations because we have seen most of what this genre comes up with, and we just know how much more it can give. We are the divorced people looking for the perfekt partner, and hopes next time will bring that.. We are the ones discussing our failed dates in this forum (in bad reviews!).  We are the MMO worlds grown ups, fast getting grumpy old men.

Them is the ones playing SWTOR and liking it. Now they are fans of that game for many different reasons. They are properly not burned out MMO veterans, but rather sci-fi fans, everything starwarsfans, bioware storytelling likers, wowkids ready for wow-in-space. They properly like most of the things in the game,  the grind, the quests, the holy trinity, the imersion of spending time in airports getting to a planet, the story,  lightsabres  and so on. And why shouldn't they? They are the MMO teenagers, having fun.

For them to become us, they have to spend years, like we have done, climbing the ladder, grinding the wheel of progression, and having a good time enjoying it until enough repetion gets enough. And burnout sets in. 

For us to become them we have to hope against better knowledge, taking a chance and see if imersing in the next game can holds os captive enough to fall in love again. We have to create hype to be able to hope against our sceptisism and experience.

And if you after reading this, recognise yourself as a MMO veteran and do like and play SWTOR, and don't feel like you fit the MMO teenager describtion, know that we envy you. For not being us anymore and getting closer to being them. Because even if you are not a MMOteenager, you have manage to fall in love with a game, and thats an achivement.  If you can manage to tell us how you beat the odds, and did it as a non MMO tenager, I like to listen, because that would be interesting.

And meanwhile I will go back to us and show pity to the ones that have not found what they seeked in this game. Trying to hold back my grumpy old man voice wanting to say "I told you- you will not find it here". And instead just giving comfort and acknowledge that those who burned them self here actual tried. And that might be better than being me and not even be able to hype my self up to give most games a try anymore.

And I will try not to get cought up in a us mode where we just get even more grumpy about why this game doesn't work for us.

Anyway to all of us , good seeking

 


Great post.

Part of the fun for me is the 'seeking'.  

I am optimistic about each new game that I try.   I'm hoping for GW2 that the community will grow differently than in past games and it should.   The competition dynamic will be different, after all.

I do take the time for 'breathers' between games...and I have found that it helps.

GW2 appears to have polish from what I've seen in the clips...I'll play by the devs ruleset instead of trying to force my 'ideas' into the game.

Yes, I'll probably be on the official forums suggesting mounts and housing...but I won't have less fun in the game because they are NOT there.   To be meaningful, mounts and housing should have a purpose and if I play and see no purpose then all the air will be out of my sails anyway.  :)

Any mmo is a living, breathing entity...so it will change over time.  Let's just roll with it.

If you love your characters, if you love the playstyle and have a concern for the virtual world it will be fun.   When we feel a vested interest in the world the devs have built for us, then I think the game can be called a success.

 

  NMStudio

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4/09/12 6:09:02 PM#57
Originally posted by Kakkzooka

I still can't believe how people can't believe how bad it is. There have been multiple warnings from numerous, credible sources about the poor quality of this game.

Still . . . people are like, "Maybe I'll give it a try." WHY? You've heard how bad it is. What would compel you to play? Is it the licking the battery syndrome? You just want to experience the pain?

 

Good gravy, man - protect your money!

You forget about all of the people who ARE enjoying it and ARE having fun with it.  That's plenty of reason for people on the fence to give it a try.

  BigLuvin

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4/09/12 11:50:43 PM#58

Swtor is the nickelback of MMORPGs.  Theres some good and a lot of bad (for an MMO) but everyone loves to hate it. 

  troublmaker

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4/09/12 11:53:07 PM#59
Originally posted by BigLuvin

Swtor is the nickelback of MMORPGs.  Theres some good and a lot of bad (for an MMO) but everyone loves to hate it. 

If you want to follow that metaphor further.  Nickleback is one of the most popular bands in the world.  Although the people who hate them REALLY hate them they have more people who like it than hate it.

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  ignore_me

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4/10/12 1:15:44 AM#60
Originally posted by troublmaker
Originally posted by BigLuvin

Swtor is the nickelback of MMORPGs.  Theres some good and a lot of bad (for an MMO) but everyone loves to hate it. 

If you want to follow that metaphor further.  Nickleback is one of the most popular bands in the world.  Although the people who hate them REALLY hate them they have more people who like it than hate it.

so get ready for years of more Nickelback. yay

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