Originally posted by RizelStar

Originally posted by bishbosh

Originally posted by Eir_S

Originally posted by gaeanprayer

Originally posted by bishbosh

Originally posted by Eir_S

If people could actually put up a good argument, no one would have to defend the game.  But I guess you don't have a problem with all the whiners and trolls.  Too bad for you, don't play the game if you're that one-sided.

im not sure why you think the game needs to be defended? i think this is the essense of the problem. its a video game, its doesnt need to defended! 

i think lots of the cash shop complaints are valid. the cash shop was initially only cosmetic now they offer levelling, gear etc and with the gem trade you can buy gold/anything.

why do you fanboys feel the need to supress these complaints? what do they gain from it. worst comes to worse, arena net will remove the gem trade, keys to chests etc etc and GUESS WHO WINS-->YOU THE CONSUMER

so what if the key/chest thing is not confirmed and it was just a leak. we should let the devs know we dont want it. if we assume it isnt confirmed they might actually implement (one thing i have learned is always expect the worst from mmorpgs) while if we complaing they wont implement it if they were going to.

That is exactly Eir's point on fans coming to defend the game. Cash shop doesn't sell gear, and it doesn't sell leveling. 

Yep, that was my point.  I know how forums work.  If someone spreads false information, it'll soon be seen as gospel and then every troll in the place will be tearing around leaving its stink on everything it touches.  If people would STOP spreading BS, maybe no one would feel the need to correct them...

arena net blatantly lied about cosmetic items only in the cash shop. they added a whole RMT system + exp scrolls. who knows what else they will be adding to the cash shop.

how is that BS? this is a completely valid complaing.

note: before you respond consider that i am complaining about the fact they lied not whether RMT + exp scrolls is "not that big of a deal"

Look at the game mechanics for Christ sake. Please that just do that and help yourself understand why they chose the design choice, now once you do that and stil after having your head in sand, go look at the leaked already changing cash shop stuff.

I do wish they sold IQ's as well.

Look I'm sorry for being rude but I have a feeling that you already read what people said to others spreading false ish, but you instead just [want] a reason to be dissappointed or to feel like you've been scammed.

Actually, i feel that the Cs argument is more important than most i've seen about GW2. Yes, much of the complaints have been exaggerated, or using false info, or predicting without knowing, but we as potential buyers of the game, should let Anet know what we think about items to be offered on CS to let them know what we won't accept or affects our gameplay if they put something in. If we jsut sit back and don't protest anything, they might feel comfortable pushing the limit past what we would want or accept, and even if our complaints are on items not confirmed to be in the CS, then at least they know what we don't like or want, and maybe they pull back a little to make it more palatable. They did already change from only cosmetics to only things that can be earned in game too + gems to gold + they mystic chest/key thing (which i think i dislike that the most), etc. It is up to us to draw that line and not stay silent and let them feel they can put questionable items in it.

Originally posted by DJJazzy

Originally posted by gainesvilleg

Originally posted by GeezerGamer

Originally posted by DJJazzy

So this thread has turned into another cash shop thread? Good grief

I thought this was a requirement in GW2 threads

Could it possibly be because there are many people offended by the cash shop?  I can assure you my disgust over Anet's recent change in cash shop philosophy is genuine.  I can't comment on anybody elses motives but I am honestly very offended by it.  I find the hypocrisy to be of the highest order...

So post in another one of the other cash shop threads, no need to make another one up. You can open up the GW2 forum, close your eyes, throw a dart on the screen and you'll hit a cash shop thread.

 

I wish they stickied one and left it open.  I'd be for that.  It may pass the "10000 or GW2" thread in number of posts before long LOL...

Originally posted by gainesvilleg

Originally posted by DJJazzy

Originally posted by gainesvilleg

Originally posted by GeezerGamer

Originally posted by DJJazzy

So this thread has turned into another cash shop thread? Good grief

I thought this was a requirement in GW2 threads

Could it possibly be because there are many people offended by the cash shop?  I can assure you my disgust over Anet's recent change in cash shop philosophy is genuine.  I can't comment on anybody elses motives but I am honestly very offended by it.  I find the hypocrisy to be of the highest order...

So post in another one of the other cash shop threads, no need to make another one up. You can open up the GW2 forum, close your eyes, throw a dart on the screen and you'll hit a cash shop thread.

 

I wish they stickied one and left it open.  I'd be for that.  It may pass the "10000 or GW2" thread in number of posts before long LOL...

I've actually already suggested it to the mmorpg.com staff

Originally posted by bishbosh

Originally posted by Eir_S

In regards to the cash shop, some complaints were simply the product of ignorance, and some of the staunchest anit-CS people around here have had to reword their arguments on finding out that everything in the CS will be available through in-game time spent.  Most of them look a bit desperate to me, and are practically two posts short of asking for the game for free.

The rest were hit or miss, mostly miss, including WvW lag (not proven to be a problem - and "it's in beta" is actually a proper response since the game is not optimized which can lead to latency issues), the outcry over the removal of sidekicking up - which wasn't even talked about until ANet said they were leaving it out.  

Let's see, arguments over the trinity or combat or how GW2 doesn't do anything new at all...  combat is "generic WoW crap",  world is separated into zones and not seamless so it sucks, the list goes on, the whining goes on, and most of the complaints are either based on false or NO information or outright subjective ranting.

If you don't like to see people respond to these things, debunking them, I'd recommend not visiting the forums.  It's a two-way street.

 

if someone feels lag during WvW they are feeling lag during WvW. you cant debunk that. this is a valid complaint. game is not optimised which can lead to latency issues? well then go and optimise your game arena net. you just agreed that there is a problem with the game and you still feel the need to defend it. cant you see how ridiculous this is?

Can't you see how ridiculous it is to flame an unfinished product?  I like how people say "why defend it, it's just a game", but those same people apparently have no issues with the other side, who get worked up pointing out flaws 24/7.  If the game were out and there were lag issues, there would be no defense.  Maybe some people are planning on playing GW2 because people like you won't be there.  Ever think of that?

in gw2 the world is seperated and not seamless- this has been proven. seamless open world > zones.  again another valid complaint.

Er.. That's actually what the intelligent people refer to as an "opinion".  (Look it up sometime).

the CS complaints are valid.

Like the ones you listed like being able to buy gear?  Yeah, I've seen a lot of "valid" complaints, my entire point was just how "valid" they really are.  

arenanet added RMT to the game-- intially they said it would only be cosmetic items. RMT allows people to attain in game gold which is required to purchase siege weapons. there is no subjectivity in the fact that arena net blatantly lied.

Well then don't you think you shoudln't play the game based on their lie?  Let me guess, you've completely forgotten that you said you weren't going to play because of the bad community.  Do you even know why you aren't playing?  Seems like ANet's not the only ones changing their story.

Originally posted by ropenice

Originally posted by RizelStar

Originally posted by bishbosh

Originally posted by Eir_S

Originally posted by gaeanprayer

Originally posted by bishbosh

Originally posted by Eir_S

If people could actually put up a good argument, no one would have to defend the game.  But I guess you don't have a problem with all the whiners and trolls.  Too bad for you, don't play the game if you're that one-sided.

im not sure why you think the game needs to be defended? i think this is the essense of the problem. its a video game, its doesnt need to defended! 

i think lots of the cash shop complaints are valid. the cash shop was initially only cosmetic now they offer levelling, gear etc and with the gem trade you can buy gold/anything.

why do you fanboys feel the need to supress these complaints? what do they gain from it. worst comes to worse, arena net will remove the gem trade, keys to chests etc etc and GUESS WHO WINS-->YOU THE CONSUMER

so what if the key/chest thing is not confirmed and it was just a leak. we should let the devs know we dont want it. if we assume it isnt confirmed they might actually implement (one thing i have learned is always expect the worst from mmorpgs) while if we complaing they wont implement it if they were going to.

That is exactly Eir's point on fans coming to defend the game. Cash shop doesn't sell gear, and it doesn't sell leveling. 

Yep, that was my point.  I know how forums work.  If someone spreads false information, it'll soon be seen as gospel and then every troll in the place will be tearing around leaving its stink on everything it touches.  If people would STOP spreading BS, maybe no one would feel the need to correct them...

arena net blatantly lied about cosmetic items only in the cash shop. they added a whole RMT system + exp scrolls. who knows what else they will be adding to the cash shop.

how is that BS? this is a completely valid complaing.

note: before you respond consider that i am complaining about the fact they lied not whether RMT + exp scrolls is "not that big of a deal"

Look at the game mechanics for Christ sake. Please that just do that and help yourself understand why they chose the design choice, now once you do that and stil after having your head in sand, go look at the leaked already changing cash shop stuff.

I do wish they sold IQ's as well.

Look I'm sorry for being rude but I have a feeling that you already read what people said to others spreading false ish, but you instead just [want] a reason to be dissappointed or to feel like you've been scammed.

Actually, i feel that the Cs argument is more important than most i've seen about GW2. Yes, much of the complaints have been exaggerated, or using false info, or predicting without knowing, but we as potential buyers of the game, should let Anet know what we think about items to be offered on CS to let them know what we won't accept or affects our gameplay if they put something in. If we jsut sit back and don't protest anything, they might feel comfortable pushing the limit past what we would want or accept, and even if our complaints are on items not confirmed to be in the CS, then at least they know what we don't like or want, and maybe they pull back a little to make it more palatable. They did already change from only cosmetics to only things that can be earned in game too + gems to gold + they mystic chest/key thing (which i think i dislike that the most), etc. It is up to us to draw that line and not stay silent and let them feel they can put questionable items in it.

Look I'm still waiting to donate my kidney can we please for the love of God relate the cash shop with GW 2 game mechanics and elaborate, I've only got one in which it was false in itself.

Can someone look at the game and say they need to get a single thing in the cash shop? The cash shop doesn't have a need in it, I swear have mercy on your souls lol.

look go buy what's in the cash shop, and I'll just play and not spend a dime and get the same shit.

I bet my life on it. I think I already bet my kidney I'm still waiting to give it away to someone, but I will bet my life what you pay I'll get becaus all I did was play, you do both but they don't stack.

A matter of fact what's sol is only to catch up, but you can't distance yourself with what's being sold and by payng money.

I swear I don't see nothing in the cash shop giving you a pass from an ass whooping or an advtange stat wise over someone who doens't buy anything.

I dont get it why people complain about CS in GW2, EVERY single mmo has some kind of microtransaction, not to mention CS in GW2 only have cosmetic and time saving items.

And Scroll of Res > exp scroll in every way.

To OP: no other games have more fanboi than Wow and SWTOR, go complain there.

Originally posted by RizelStar

Originally posted by romanator0

Originally posted by gainesvilleg

Originally posted by RizelStar

Originally posted by bishbosh

Originally posted by Eir_S

Originally posted by gaeanprayer

Originally posted by bishbosh

Originally posted by Eir_S

If people could actually put up a good argument, no one would have to defend the game.  But I guess you don't have a problem with all the whiners and trolls.  Too bad for you, don't play the game if you're that one-sided.

im not sure why you think the game needs to be defended? i think this is the essense of the problem. its a video game, its doesnt need to defended! 

i think lots of the cash shop complaints are valid. the cash shop was initially only cosmetic now they offer levelling, gear etc and with the gem trade you can buy gold/anything.

why do you fanboys feel the need to supress these complaints? what do they gain from it. worst comes to worse, arena net will remove the gem trade, keys to chests etc etc and GUESS WHO WINS-->YOU THE CONSUMER

so what if the key/chest thing is not confirmed and it was just a leak. we should let the devs know we dont want it. if we assume it isnt confirmed they might actually implement (one thing i have learned is always expect the worst from mmorpgs) while if we complaing they wont implement it if they were going to.

That is exactly Eir's point on fans coming to defend the game. Cash shop doesn't sell gear, and it doesn't sell leveling. 

Yep, that was my point.  I know how forums work.  If someone spreads false information, it'll soon be seen as gospel and then every troll in the place will be tearing around leaving its stink on everything it touches.  If people would STOP spreading BS, maybe no one would feel the need to correct them...

arena net blatantly lied about cosmetic items only in the cash shop. they added a whole RMT system + exp scrolls. who knows what else they will be adding to the cash shop.

how is that BS? this is a completely valid complaing.

note: before you respond consider that i am complaining about the fact they lied not whether RMT + exp scrolls is "not that big of a deal"

Look at the game mechanics for Christ sake. Please that just do that and help yourself understand why they chose the design choice, now once you do that and stil after having your head in sand, go look at the leaked already changing cash shop stuff.

I do wish they sold IQ's as well.

Here is one view of the game mechanic changes:

1) Repair costs reintroduced for a gold sink, and hey you can buy gems in cash shop to trade for gold

2) Mystic chests are found in game and hey you can buy mystic keys from cash shop

3) Sidekicking up is no longer supported but hey you can buy EXP boosters in cash shop

4) Being a squad commander costs "a lot of gold" but hey you can buy gems in cash shop to trade for gold

5) Influence gives boosts in RvRvR but hey you can buy gems in cash shop to trade for gold to buy influence

 

Like Anet admitted, "built from the ground up with microtransactions in mind"

1) Repair costs are cheap and completely avoidable.

2) Mystic keys are found in game.

3) Leveling is fast as it is. Structured PvP autolevels to 80. WvW sidekicks people to 80 to make a more level playing field.

4) Squad commander is only for those who want it and imparts no benefits. Anyone who buys it but sucks or just wants to be seen as a commander is going to end up wasting money.

5) You've yet to prove purchasing gems gives any advantage in WvW.

Funny how you quote ArenaNet saying the game is built with microtransactions in mind and yet they completely optional and provide no advantages.

Thank you lol but i already told him that, so due to not listening and having the head in the sand, I just blocked him. It seems to help to an extent.

LOL blocking the discussion helps posters like this close their eyes and ears and if that's what helps them sleep at night, so be it.  Sad thing is, the offensive cash shop is still there no matter how much some like to pretend it isn't.  I wish I could be as ignorant as that, pretend its not so bad.  As they say, ignorance is bliss...

Originally posted by gainesvilleg

Originally posted by bishbosh

Originally posted by garretth

Sorry to hear...I guess you will be playing the game that no one else likes.   What kind of community would you expect from that?

 

im not sure if you are aware but it is possible to like a game without being a fanboy.

there are plenty of games which i like but i also have plenty of criticism eg. skills in skyrim are extremely unbalanced, UI sucks

OMG inventory management is atrocious.  Being a single player game the unbalanced skills don't bother me I avoid some of the overpowered crafting for instance.  But the inventory system, wow it makes me want to pull my hair out...

i thought the lack of balance shouldnt matter in a single player game but playing a destruction mage is hugely boring compared to warrior because the only way to play is use thet stagger perk and 100% mana cost reduction and spam till they die.

Originally posted by sapheroith

I dont get it why people complain about CS in GW2, EVERY single mmo has some kind of microtransaction, not to mention CS in GW2 only have cosmetic and time saving items.

And Scroll of Res > exp scroll in every way.

To OP: no other games have more fanboi than Wow and SWTOR, go complain there.

I think people have complained about the scroll of res in wow, at least I think I've seen people complain about it. If anything can be classified as pay to win or whatever, it is that.

Originally posted by sapheroith

I dont get it why people complain about CS in GW2, EVERY single mmo has some kind of microtransaction, not to mention CS in GW2 only have cosmetic and time saving items.

And Scroll of Res > exp scroll in every way.

To OP: no other games have more fanboi than Wow and SWTOR, go complain there.

so basically you are saying a complaint is no longer valid if that complain can be applied to other games?

ridiculous.

Originally posted by bishbosh

Originally posted by gainesvilleg

Originally posted by bishbosh

Originally posted by garretth

Sorry to hear...I guess you will be playing the game that no one else likes.   What kind of community would you expect from that?

 

im not sure if you are aware but it is possible to like a game without being a fanboy.

there are plenty of games which i like but i also have plenty of criticism eg. skills in skyrim are extremely unbalanced, UI sucks

OMG inventory management is atrocious.  Being a single player game the unbalanced skills don't bother me I avoid some of the overpowered crafting for instance.  But the inventory system, wow it makes me want to pull my hair out...

i thought the lack of balance shouldnt matter in a single player game but playing a mage is hugely boring compared to warrior because the only way to play is use thet stagger perk and 100% mana cost reduction and spam till they die.

Yeah, I mainly played a melee style.  If I roll a mage I may change my tune on unbalanced skills.  If only Bethesda would get somebody to help their combat mechanics/balancing/UI.  They nailed the world aspect by leaps and bounds...

Originally posted by RizelStar

Originally posted by romanator0

Originally posted by gainesvilleg

Originally posted by RizelStar

Originally posted by bishbosh

Originally posted by Eir_S

Originally posted by gaeanprayer

Originally posted by bishbosh

Originally posted by Eir_S

I

1) Repair costs are cheap and completely avoidable.

2) Mystic keys are found in game.

3) Leveling is fast as it is. Structured PvP autolevels to 80. WvW sidekicks people to 80 to make a more level playing field.

4) Squad commander is only for those who want it and imparts no benefits. Anyone who buys it but sucks or just wants to be seen as a commander is going to end up wasting money.

5) You've yet to prove purchasing gems gives any advantage in WvW.

Funny how you quote ArenaNet saying the game is built with microtransactions in mind and yet they completely optional and provide no advantages.

Thank you lol but i already told him that, so due to not listening and having the head in the sand, I just blocked him. It seems to help to an extent.

This kind of my point. By not protesting these things as a united front we are encouraging them to add lame cs items that change gameplay to try and push the Cs on us. Now I don't think the whole P2W thing is an issue until we get to play game, but things like this shouldn't be in the game.

So, you finish a DE/quest/mob boss and a mystic chest drops and you have no key. OK, I'll wait to get a key drop (and you know it won't be an even drop key to chest ratio, or it defeats the whole reason to have it on CS). By time one drops, I have 5 or more chests and start running out of pack/bank space-so now do i buy keys or bank space from CS or just destroy chests to get space. So I did the content to get loot drop but can't access it? Not good to do to your playerbase.

I just think we should hold anet accountable for BS and let them know we don't want certain things, instead of defending everything they do. Now when people post misinformation, then yes they should be told they are wrong, but not liking getting nickel and dimed isn't wrong.

Originally posted by bishbosh

Originally posted by sapheroith

I dont get it why people complain about CS in GW2, EVERY single mmo has some kind of microtransaction, not to mention CS in GW2 only have cosmetic and time saving items.

And Scroll of Res > exp scroll in every way.

To OP: no other games have more fanboi than Wow and SWTOR, go complain there.

so basically you are saying a complaint is no longer valid if that complain can be applied to other games?

ridiculous.

When it kind of applies to the genre as a whole no....its not really ridiculous.   Singleling out GW2 even with it being B2P, as being some sort of serious offender is however ridiculous. 

Originally posted by sapheroith

I dont get it why people complain about CS in GW2, EVERY single mmo has some kind of microtransaction, not to mention CS in GW2 only have cosmetic and time saving items.

And Scroll of Res > exp scroll in every way.

To OP: no other games have more fanboi than Wow and SWTOR, go complain there.

Personally, I think a lot of it is a psychological issue like an inferiority complex, they want to seem important and what better way than to tear at something that has a lot of steam and hype behind it?  If they're able to one day say "I told you so", it will be like a rush of power and substance in their dull lives.

Yeah, totally.

Originally posted by Xthos

Originally posted by bishbosh

people staunchly defending everything about gw2 is reminding me of all those other fail mmorpgs out there. they all had the same fanboy crowd licking up any crap thrown at them and BAM the game tanks. 

i was intent on prerodering 10th april and now i dont even know if i want to buy the game. i dont want to play a game full of people that will take any crap from the devs/publisher because i know in the long run the game will suck because criticisms will be drowned out with " WOW had the same problems on release", " you havent even played to max level", "go back to WOW" etc etc. 

i dont know if im the only one that gets turned off game by fanboyism, there are probably more people out there so i think its best to take that into consideration and be a bit more welcoming and less aggresive/vile when someone criticises gw2 or questions its "greatness". i would like to see gw2 do well (more compeition=better games for us) but games wont do well if developers cannot hear the players complaints.

 If you are that fragile, it probably is best to stop playing online/multiplayer games. 

There are a lot of very, umm... delicate people in MMO communities.  lol

Originally posted by Eir_S

Originally posted by sapheroith

I dont get it why people complain about CS in GW2, EVERY single mmo has some kind of microtransaction, not to mention CS in GW2 only have cosmetic and time saving items.

And Scroll of Res > exp scroll in every way.

To OP: no other games have more fanboi than Wow and SWTOR, go complain there.

Personally, I think a lot of it is a psychological issue like an inferiority complex, they want to seem important and what better way than to tear at something that has a lot of steam and hype behind it?  If they're able to one day say "I told you so", it will be like a rush of power and substance in their dull lives.

Yeah, totally.

Ha ha this so true.

Originally posted by bishbosh

Originally posted by sapheroith

I dont get it why people complain about CS in GW2, EVERY single mmo has some kind of microtransaction, not to mention CS in GW2 only have cosmetic and time saving items.

And Scroll of Res > exp scroll in every way.

To OP: no other games have more fanboi than Wow and SWTOR, go complain there.

so basically you are saying a complaint is no longer valid if that complain can be applied to other games?

ridiculous.

Actually, what it means is, your now out in the cold, for that last few years, MMOs have catered to gamers like you. Chasing pixels and swinging your epeens. Now that it is changing, you cant seem to handle it, a pity really.

But, dispite your insults, we will be enjoying our casual game, with our CS. Thank you!

Originally posted by Eir_S

Originally posted by sapheroith

I dont get it why people complain about CS in GW2, EVERY single mmo has some kind of microtransaction, not to mention CS in GW2 only have cosmetic and time saving items.

And Scroll of Res > exp scroll in every way.

To OP: no other games have more fanboi than Wow and SWTOR, go complain there.

Personally, I think a lot of it is a psychological issue like an inferiority complex, they want to seem important and what better way than to tear at something that has a lot of steam and hype behind it?  If they're able to one day say "I told you so", it will be like a rush of power and substance in their dull lives.

Yeah, totally.

 this is what i think

fanboism is some sort of mental illness which arises from a lack of self esteem and intelligence. fanbois feel the needs to  form a parasitic relationship with something (eg video games, iphone) so they can feel better about themselves by being a part of something more big and important than they are.

i think fanboyism is similar to sheep mentality which many humans possess which was devloped as an evolutionary advantage during cave man times where sticking in large groups would have increased chances of survival for people who did not possess the intelligence to make good descisions so they decided to stick with the herd so what they did.

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your analysis of complainers doesnt make sense. people with inferiority complexes only tear at things which make them feel inferior. inferiority complexes dont work with video games-people... (it might work with people associated with a video games and other people but this is not the case here) inferiority complexes generally arise between people of different race, social standing , sex etc.

I am buying the game but I have my feet firmly planted in reality. I expect it to be fun for awhile and hopefully for a year or maybe two. Will it be perfect and have nothing wrong with it ? No. But that is fine with me.

Most of the fanboys on these forums or others are simply like those teenagers that just need that new gadget because it will make there life complete because the ad looked so cool.  They finally get it and it doesn't live up to what they thought it would be and they toss it away and quickly go to the next must have thats coming out soon.

Just wait till same time next year and you will find the same fanboys saying how much GW2 sucked and how Game XXXX is diferent.

Originally posted by gainesvilleg

Originally posted by GeezerGamer

Originally posted by DJJazzy

So this thread has turned into another cash shop thread? Good grief

I thought this was a requirement in GW2 threads

Could it possibly be because there are many people offended by the cash shop?  I can assure you my disgust over Anet's recent change in cash shop philosophy is genuine.  I can't comment on anybody elses motives but I am honestly very offended by it.  I find the hypocrisy to be of the highest order...

I won't invalidate your complaints. I think your concern has merit.

However. There is nothing you can do abou tit right now. 

You can say we can speak up and let ANet know they must be responsible. But Hasn't that been done?

What now? What mroe can possibly be done until they release the contents of the shop.

I understand you feel betrayed by ANet. But you are the only one who can deal with that.