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  cdestey

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4/06/12 7:46:44 AM#41

Kind of a non-story. It's just typical political pandering to those that still believe in this imagined epidemic of pedophilia. Thank you Chris Hanson.

  Lexin

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4/06/12 8:14:50 AM#42

As a New Yorker I support this. Though it should not only be sex offenders.

  Four0Six

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4/06/12 8:23:37 AM#43
Originally posted by DarkPony
Originally posted by st4t1ck
*snipage*


This is kinda crazy, there are a lot of things stupid about the sex offender laws, in michigan public urination can be a Sex offense and make you register as a sex offender

what bothers me the most is what happened to "do the crime pay the time"  you are punished you get sentanced to 5 years you get out and you find that you pretty much still being punished in every way

Lol ... seriously?

"That'll be no more online gaming for you mister tree sprinkler!"

"Don't taze me bro ..."

"BZzzzzt"

It is all funny...until it is done in front of an elementary school, in front of a bunch of 8 year olds...

 

  ProfRed

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4/06/12 8:24:47 AM#44

First, this will be almost impossible to enforce unless they somehow get the ip of each of them.  They can just go make a new gmail account and be on their way.

Second, as to the morals of this either side has rights and wrongs, but the way I see it is if this stops one underage kid from getting raped/kidnapped/murdered/etc. it is worth it to me being a parent of two young girls.

I feel like there should be levels of sex offense though, not just one big umbrella.  If you get caught peeing on a tree because you are out at 1am and there happens to be a school closeby this would be a low level of sex offence to me and stuff like this should not apply.

 

  astoria

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4/06/12 8:30:05 AM#45
Originally posted by Vesavius
Originally posted by brody71
Originally posted by DarkPony

Hmm, good or bad depends on your definition of "sex offender".

Looking how anal (no pun intended) sex offenses can be in the US I don't think this is such a great idea. Not sure about this but I once read an article about a 21ish year old guy having a normal relationship with a 17 year old girl and that making him a sex offender as well. I think that is slightly draconic, but whatever ...

They should only restrict this to the actual "predators", who have been convicted for stalking and trying to groom minors (or worse).

um, yeah a 21 year old with a 17yr old is considered rape.   and the 21yr old would be considered, and is a predator.   the 17yr is a minor.

 

this is true in the US? Or does it depend on state?

wow, didnt know that. In the UK this would be perfectally legal.

it depends on the state. Many U.S. states have an age range in addition to the under 18 clause. For example, a 17 and a 19 year old would not be illegal in many states. I know a few it is 4 years. Best advice, do her mom until she's of age.

Seriously though, this is obviously a reponse to Tera's imminent release.

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  DarkPony

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4/06/12 8:32:27 AM#46
Originally posted by Four0Six
Originally posted by DarkPony
Originally posted by st4t1ck
*snipage*


This is kinda crazy, there are a lot of things stupid about the sex offender laws, in michigan public urination can be a Sex offense and make you register as a sex offender

what bothers me the most is what happened to "do the crime pay the time"  you are punished you get sentanced to 5 years you get out and you find that you pretty much still being punished in every way

Lol ... seriously?

"That'll be no more online gaming for you mister tree sprinkler!"

"Don't taze me bro ..."

"BZzzzzt"

It is all funny...until it is done in front of an elementary school, in front of a bunch of 8 year olds...

 

Yes, of course. The horror. Those kids will be marred for life with traumas. They'll be staring through windows and absent mindedly drawing pictures of bearded one eyed snakes for years to come. We shouldn't want that.

  Worstluck

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4/06/12 8:35:35 AM#47
Originally posted by ProfRed

First, this will be almost impossible to enforce unless they somehow get the ip of each of them.  They can just go make a new gmail account and be on their way.

Second, as to the morals of this either side has rights and wrongs, but the way I see it is if this stops one underage kid from getting raped/kidnapped/murdered/etc. it is worth it to me being a parent of two young girls.

I feel like there should be levels of sex offense though, not just one big umbrella.  If you get caught peeing on a tree because you are out at 1am and there happens to be a school closeby this would be a low level of sex offence to me and stuff like this should not apply.

 

 

What's funny is that in an article I read, there was a person from Microsoft talking about how the Xbox already has many parental controls built into it, that can protect children from stuff like this (supposedly, just what the dude said, I have no idea about said features).  He went on to say that unfortunately many parents don't know about the features so they go unused.  So instead, lets make some wide-reaching law that will most likely have no impact on anything hah.  Maybe try to educate parents about the features, so they can protect their own children?

 

This is just political pandering at it's finest.

  WhiteLantern

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4/06/12 8:35:38 AM#48
Originally posted by DarkPony
Originally posted by Four0Six
Originally posted by DarkPony
Originally posted by st4t1ck
*snipage*


This is kinda crazy, there are a lot of things stupid about the sex offender laws, in michigan public urination can be a Sex offense and make you register as a sex offender

what bothers me the most is what happened to "do the crime pay the time"  you are punished you get sentanced to 5 years you get out and you find that you pretty much still being punished in every way

Lol ... seriously?

"That'll be no more online gaming for you mister tree sprinkler!"

"Don't taze me bro ..."

"BZzzzzt"

It is all funny...until it is done in front of an elementary school, in front of a bunch of 8 year olds...

 

Yes, of course. The horror. Those kids will be marred for life with traumas. They'll be staring through windows and absent mindedly drawing pictures of bearded one eyed snakes for years to come. We shouldn't want that.

Bearded one-eyed snakes?

 

 

My childhood traumas just flooded back in. Curse you, Pony. Curse you.

I want a mmorpg where people have gone through misery, have gone through school stuff and actually have had sex even. -sagil

  jdnewell

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4/06/12 8:38:32 AM#49

I live in the southern US.

In my state the legal age of consent is 16 y/o. So if a 21 y/o has consenting sex with a 17y/o then it would not be a crime.

I am not sure if I agree with this or not. Somehow I think if a criminal is trying to find a child to prey on cutting off his WoW account wont help much.

  DarkPony

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4/06/12 8:38:39 AM#50
Originally posted by WhiteLantern
Originally posted by DarkPony
Originally posted by Four0Six
Originally posted by DarkPony
Originally posted by st4t1ck
*snipage*


This is kinda crazy, there are a lot of things stupid about the sex offender laws, in michigan public urination can be a Sex offense and make you register as a sex offender

what bothers me the most is what happened to "do the crime pay the time"  you are punished you get sentanced to 5 years you get out and you find that you pretty much still being punished in every way

Lol ... seriously?

"That'll be no more online gaming for you mister tree sprinkler!"

"Don't taze me bro ..."

"BZzzzzt"

It is all funny...until it is done in front of an elementary school, in front of a bunch of 8 year olds...

 

Yes, of course. The horror. Those kids will be marred for life with traumas. They'll be staring through windows and absent mindedly drawing pictures of bearded one eyed snakes for years to come. We shouldn't want that.

Bearded one-eyed snakes?

 

 

My childhood traumas just flooded back in. Curse you, Pony. Curse you.

Oh crap. Sorry about that, White :)

  st4t1ck

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Posts: 558

4/06/12 8:41:21 AM#51
Originally posted by Four0Six
Originally posted by DarkPony
Originally posted by st4t1ck
*snipage*


This is kinda crazy, there are a lot of things stupid about the sex offender laws, in michigan public urination can be a Sex offense and make you register as a sex offender

what bothers me the most is what happened to "do the crime pay the time"  you are punished you get sentanced to 5 years you get out and you find that you pretty much still being punished in every way

Lol ... seriously?

"That'll be no more online gaming for you mister tree sprinkler!"

"Don't taze me bro ..."

"BZzzzzt"

It is all funny...until it is done in front of an elementary school, in front of a bunch of 8 year olds...

 

i agree but that is totally different then stubmling out back a bar at 2 a.m and pissing by the dumpster

  Kyleran

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4/06/12 8:46:46 AM#52
Originally posted by astoria
Originally posted by Vesavius
Originally posted by brody71
Originally posted by DarkPony

Hmm, good or bad depends on your definition of "sex offender".

Looking how anal (no pun intended) sex offenses can be in the US I don't think this is such a great idea. Not sure about this but I once read an article about a 21ish year old guy having a normal relationship with a 17 year old girl and that making him a sex offender as well. I think that is slightly draconic, but whatever ...

They should only restrict this to the actual "predators", who have been convicted for stalking and trying to groom minors (or worse).

um, yeah a 21 year old with a 17yr old is considered rape.   and the 21yr old would be considered, and is a predator.   the 17yr is a minor.

 

this is true in the US? Or does it depend on state?

wow, didnt know that. In the UK this would be perfectally legal.

it depends on the state. Many U.S. states have an age range in addition to the under 18 clause. For example, a 17 and a 19 year old would not be illegal in many states. I know a few it is 4 years. Best advice, do her mom until she's of age.

Seriously though, this is obviously a reponse to Tera's imminent release.

Good example is this from the Pennsylvania legal code:

§ 3122.1. Statutory sexual assault.

Except as provided in section 3121 (relating to rape), a person commits a felony of the second degree when that person engages in sexual intercourse with a complainant under the age of 16 years and that person is four or more years older than the complainant and the complainant and the person are not married to each other.

Florida has a similar provision, but they make no allowances for people under 16, it's a crime regardless.

But back to the OP, seems like it would be tough to enforce, not like sex offenders won't use fake emails and payment card to get into online games, so it's more for show than go in this case.

 

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  BartDaCat

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4/06/12 8:48:44 AM#53
Originally posted by DarkPony
Originally posted by Four0Six
Originally posted by DarkPony
Originally posted by st4t1ck
*snipage*


This is kinda crazy, there are a lot of things stupid about the sex offender laws, in michigan public urination can be a Sex offense and make you register as a sex offender

what bothers me the most is what happened to "do the crime pay the time"  you are punished you get sentanced to 5 years you get out and you find that you pretty much still being punished in every way

Lol ... seriously?

"That'll be no more online gaming for you mister tree sprinkler!"

"Don't taze me bro ..."

"BZzzzzt"

It is all funny...until it is done in front of an elementary school, in front of a bunch of 8 year olds...

 

Yes, of course. The horror. Those kids will be marred for life with traumas. They'll be staring through windows and absent mindedly drawing pictures of bearded one eyed snakes for years to come. We shouldn't want that.

OMG!!!  TOO LATE!!!

(Some drawings of bearded, one-eyed "Snakes")

 

   

  jdnewell

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4/06/12 8:50:31 AM#54
Originally posted by st4t1ck
Originally posted by Four0Six
Originally posted by DarkPony
Originally posted by st4t1ck
*snipage*


This is kinda crazy, there are a lot of things stupid about the sex offender laws, in michigan public urination can be a Sex offense and make you register as a sex offender

what bothers me the most is what happened to "do the crime pay the time"  you are punished you get sentanced to 5 years you get out and you find that you pretty much still being punished in every way

Lol ... seriously?

"That'll be no more online gaming for you mister tree sprinkler!"

"Don't taze me bro ..."

"BZzzzzt"

It is all funny...until it is done in front of an elementary school, in front of a bunch of 8 year olds...

 

i agree but that is totally different then stubmling out back a bar at 2 a.m and pissing by the dumpster


I agree. I am all about punishing actual child sexual predators. But even if the gaggle of 8 y/o elementary students saw a drunk guy pissing in the bushes should he then be branded as a sex offender for life? Somehow I think they would get over it. He may be guilty of bad judgement and should be punished for it, but sex offender? no way.

Now standing in front of an elementary school window flashing the 8 y/o class intentionally is another thing.

I wont even touch on how wrong branding someone as a sex offender for public urination is. They will carry that for the rest of their life, effect every facet of it. Sometimes a drunken piss is just that, god knows I have pissed by many a dumpster behind the bar at 2 am. Does that make me a sex offender just because some law says so?

  Naral

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4/06/12 8:51:58 AM#55

The thing is, in my state, most sex offenders are pretty much banned from internet usage anyway. 

And every state does have its own definition of age of consent laws. 

I have no problem with any sexual predator being banned from online gaming, but the thing it, most of them are already banned from internet useage anyway, or even owning a computer. So, as someone above me said, kind of a non story.

That said, anecdote time. My best friend is a customs enforcement officer for Canada. They get to read pretty much the entire criminal record of any US citizen crossing the border, and anytime a crime comes up that could deny them entry, they have to determine the nature of the crim before allowing or disallowing entry.

A guy on a business trip comes through and is flagged as a sex offender. Upon further investigation, this guy was driving and have having phone sex with his wife on his was home from a business trip. He was speeding, got pulled over and caught with his pants down, so to speak. Banning him from online gaming would seem pretty harsh to me.

I have no problem with the nature of the law, but enforcement would be difficult, and it could be applied to people who are not in fact, sexual predators. Relable the law, Sexual Predators are banned from online gaming, and I would have much less issue with it.

  DarkPony

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4/06/12 8:57:22 AM#56
Originally posted by BartDaCat
*snipage*

OMG!!!  TOO LATE!!!

(Some drawings of bearded, one-eyed "Snakes")

 

Oh dear ... for the love of god take those pictures down before WhiteLantern sees them ...

This will not end well.

V_V

  Kendane

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4/06/12 8:57:39 AM#57
Originally posted by kilun
Originally posted by brody71
Originally posted by fenistil
Originally posted by Vesavius
Originally posted by brody71
Originally posted by Vesavius
Originally posted by brody71
Originally posted by DarkPony

Hmm, good or bad depends on your definition of "sex offender".

Looking how anal (no pun intended) sex offenses can be in the US I don't think this is such a great idea. Not sure about this but I once read an article about a 21ish year old guy having a normal relationship with a 17 year old girl and that making him a sex offender as well. I think that is slightly draconic, but whatever ...

They should only restrict this to the actual "predators", who have been convicted for stalking and trying to groom minors (or worse).

um, yeah a 21 year old with a 17yr old is considered rape.   and the 21yr old would be considered, and is a predator.   the 17yr is a minor.

 

this is true in the US? Or does it depend on state?

wow, didnt know that. In the UK this would be perfectally legal.

yes 18 is legal adult age. 

 

Same as here, though the age of sexual consent is 16.

+ 1

 

Age of sexual consent is diffrent from legal adult age in many countries. Heck even in some (just in some though) states in USA is lower than legal adult age.

In some countries it is even taken far.  For example age of sexual consent depends on what age second peerson you have sex is.

Cause it is uterrly (imho) stupid for in example 18 year old go to prison & punished for having sex with other person which is for example 16-17 year old.

 

In some countries it is done like for example:

- legal age - 18

- general age of sexual consent - 16 (but under more law protection till 18 , ie law is sticter towards predator if some problem arise)

BUT 

- age of sexual consent can be f.e 15 if second person is 17-18 ,etc 

 

Law obviosuly have to give boundaries but at same time it have to be sane. Cause punishing very severely one person of sleeping with "minor" when diffrence between them is like 1-3 years is dumb in first place. 

 

End of rant.

 

 

you may think it's dumb but as a parent i would not want my 15yr old daughter having relations with an 18yr old.  and i would press charges and send his child molesting ass to jail.

 Good luck with that, most states have a state limit, Ohio for example is just a misdemeanor(M1).  Secondly until your daughter is in that situation you really can't say that.  What if its your best friends son who is 2 1/2 years old than your daughter? Or vice versa.

Anyways the legal age of consent in most states is 16.  Meaning that 52 yearold person can go have sex with 16 yearold and nothing can be done about it if the 16 year old consented. (Yes I would not doubt deem that 52 yearold as a sick creep, but according to the law jack can be done about it.  Same thing if in Kentucky you decided to get married at 14 to so 50 year old sicko.  Oh well)

http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2907.04

Eh if a mother wanted revenge bad enough all they have to do is get the media involved and get the prosecutor to go for it regardless or coerce someone into taking a plea bargin which will get them registered. You might say you could just show it was not illegal and therefor can't be charged with a crime, but there have been cases where the wrong "John Smith" was registered as a sex offender and it is hard as hell for them to get removed from the list. Some local authorities flat out refuse, add the right "John Smith" to the list and keep the wrong one on too. What I'm trying to say is there are a lot of morons in are Criminal Justice system.

Anyways most people think the age of consent(where you can sleep with anyone, regardless of age) is 18, because all tv shows depict it as 18 or movies. Of course thats because in California it is 18, and thats where most of the stuff comes from. Other states, for instance here in New Mexico, the age of consent is 17. Some states go as low as 16, but thats as low as it goes as far as that. However, we do have a law, I think its called the Romeo and Juliet law, which adds another element to this. It sets a 4 year gap, which would mean that if a girl is 15, and the guy is 18 or even 19, they can have sex and technically the parents of the girl couldn't do anything about it other then forbid her from seeing him. Now like I said, the defendent could just be coerced or the prosecutor could work with the media to completly taint the jury pool, but legally, the dude couldn't be charged. I would assume it works the other way around with a older female/younger male.

 

  palulalula

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4/06/12 9:00:06 AM#58

My lock got  raped by one mean old rogue in wow. First he ambushed me after that he did some nasty backstab and finished with total humilation from behind. It must be one of this American predators from NY

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4/06/12 9:00:42 AM#59

Maybe this explains the proverbial jay-naked ,female toons you see dancing  and running around in the noob starter areas.

  Elsabolts

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4/06/12 9:07:13 AM#60
Originally posted by Boatsmate

Maybe this explains the proverbial jay-naked ,female toons you see dancing  and running around in the noob starter areas.

Boats your more of a cynic then i am lol.

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