Originally posted by GeezerGamer

Originally posted by brody71

Originally posted by rojo6934

Originally posted by Talonsin

A few red flags have been triggered by this recent annoucnement of life time subs.

1. The game currently does not have any beta at the moment, beta invites go out sometime this month but the game launches on June 19th.  Seems like a very short beta and not enough time to correct the issues that are identified in beta.

2. The lifetime sub being thrown out before a beta and at a cost just a hair above the one year price.

3. The current gameplay videos look clunky.  I understand some may be older but you would think that right before an annoucement for pre-orders you would release some of your best videos to entice people into buying.

4. The cash shop is being built in from the start with pets and inventory space leading me to believe that F2P is a viable option that FunCom has as a backup plan after the inital launch. 

 

I was really excited about this one and was thinking of grabbing the life time sub but now I am seriously rethinking it.

i just went to the website to check about the preorder stuff (im not preordering, just was looking the options). Besides subscription they are charging for everything you can get. Even a starter pack for $15, and character slots for $10 (only 3 character slots with game purchase? ..... After looking at all the money they are charging you for everything now im 100% sure they know they will fall to F2P like AoC did and are getting ready first hand

the reason there are 3 character slots is because there are 3 factions.  how many characters do want? they will all have the same 588 ability's when it's all said and done. 

 

I am not sure I follow this. The defense for charging for a 4th character slot is to say you don't need more than 3?

If you don't need more than 3, why are they billing for a 4th? Which leads to the next question. Since they are charging money for a 4th, Funcom must believe there is a demand or they wouldn't feel they could get money for it. Which brings me to my next question. While most games are offering 6-10 character slots, where the helldoes FC get off thinking they can charge a Boxed Fee, a Sub Fee and open a cash shop (I am 100% certain you will have more slots for purchase here) for this?

This is the biggest load of crap yet!

I am pretty sure they are doing it because they know there are some people who will pay, pay, pay to play a game they like. And sadly I think they are right.

P2P + Cashshop shouldn't be supported in anyway. Anyone who does support this is only harming the future of MMOs. 

Originally posted by ElderRat

Originally posted by GeezerGamer

 

 

I am not sure I follow this. The defense for charging for a 4th character slot is to say you don't need more than 3?

If you don't need more than 3, why are they billing for a 4th? Which leads to the next question. Since they are charging money for a 4th, Funcom must believe there is a demand or they wouldn't feel they could get money for it. Which brings me to my next question. While most games are offering 6-10 character slots, where the helldoes FC get off thinking they can charge a Boxed Fee, a Sub Fee and open a cash shop (I am 100% certain you will have more slots for purchase here) for this?

This is the biggest load of crap yet!

I am pretty sure they are doing it because they know there are some people who will pay, pay, pay to play a game they like. And sadly I think they are right.

What ever happened to value? You know. Where I will happily pay a fair price in exchange for a fair service?

I really hope Funcom finally breaks their own mold and releases a game that is actually what it was advertised as at launch instead of months/years after.

Competition is good for the genre, any new high-quality MMO people enjoy is good for the genre.

We don't need another flop.

Originally posted by rojo6934

if thats the reason why they limit an account to 3 character slots then try to sell more then tahts a lame excuse from them to get more money. You wont have 588 skills on screen. You are forced to use 7 active and 7 passive out of 588... I would make at least 2 characters from each factions. 1 from each faction would have mixed skills. and the rest would be focused on 1 specific type of magic / abilities (full blood magic ftw?)

they claim to give us freedom but then they want us to stick with only 1 character? i think thats enough reason to have more than 4 slots (hell, limit should be 10). Besides, you are paying for your game + the monthly fees... thats ridiculous IMO unless its a free game.

While I agree 3 character slots is cheap, AFAIK one character can learn and master ALL the skills...it's just that you can only have 7 active and 7 passive slotted at once.  You could switch out your full blood magic character's skills and make him duel wielding pistols if you wanted to (again, AFAIK).

Originally posted by GeezerGamer

I am not sure I follow this. The defense for charging for a 4th character slot is to say you don't need more than 3?

If you don't need more than 3, why are they billing for a 4th?  Since they are charging money for a 4th, Funcom must believe there is a demand or they wouldn't feel they could get money for it. Which brings me to my next question. While most games are offering 6-10 character slots, where the hell does FC get off thinking they can charge a Boxed Fee, a Sub Fee and open a cash shop (I am 100% certain you will have more slots for purchase here) for this?

This is the biggest load of crap yet!

The only reason anyone would want a 4th is for roleplaying. For the sake of the game you only need 3 characters, one for each faction. Each character can learn every skill so theres no reason to have more than 3 for gameplay purposes.

I think monthly fee + cash shop is taking the piss, and I hated when SoE did it, but character slots is the least of the issues when you dont need more than the allocated amount. It would only be a problem if you dont get given enough character slots to make one of each class, but as this game is classless that point is moot.

Originally posted by BadSpock

I really hope Funcom finally breaks their own mold and releases a game that is actually what it was advertised as at launch instead of months/years after.

Competition is good for the genre, any new high-quality MMO people enjoy is good for the genre.

We don't need another flop.

 

I agree. This game does look promising to me, but because it is Funcom I refuse to leap before I look. I will wait a few months after launch to see what the player response is like. But I am hopeful for the game. I just hope they can change the terrible casting animations too.

Originally posted by evilastro

Originally posted by GeezerGamer

I am not sure I follow this. The defense for charging for a 4th character slot is to say you don't need more than 3?

If you don't need more than 3, why are they billing for a 4th?  Since they are charging money for a 4th, Funcom must believe there is a demand or they wouldn't feel they could get money for it. Which brings me to my next question. While most games are offering 6-10 character slots, where the hell does FC get off thinking they can charge a Boxed Fee, a Sub Fee and open a cash shop (I am 100% certain you will have more slots for purchase here) for this?

This is the biggest load of crap yet!

 

The only reason anyone would want a 4th is for roleplaying. For the sake of the game you only need 3 characters, one for each faction. Each character can learn every skill so theres no reason to have more than 3 for gameplay purposes.

I think monthly fee + cash shop is taking the piss, and I hated when SoE did it, but character slots is the least of the issues when you dont need more than the allocated amount. It would only be a problem if you dont get given enough character slots to make one of each class, but as this game is classless that point is moot.

Which goes back to the question.

Why charge for a 4th? That's like trying to sell ice cubes to Eskimos then.

Either there is a demand or there isn't. Either way, FC charging for the 4th is crass.

Are they are holding out after charging a lot of money or they are milking for even more when there is a questionable value?

And even if just for RPing. Players have to pay extra for that option? To Roleplay? Really?

No matter how I look at this one, it benefits noone else other than Funcom.

Originally posted by DannyGlover

What concerns me is the same thing that concerned me with TOR. All Ive seen so far is small group content and story mode solo questing. I would like to see 100 people in 3 faction warfare. Is there a video of that floating around somewhere?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9gQ2OeZ7V4

That's the only thing I've seen with PvP footage, and it's a marketing piece.

Originally posted by GeezerGamer

Originally posted by evilastro

Originally posted by GeezerGamer

I am not sure I follow this. The defense for charging for a 4th character slot is to say you don't need more than 3?

If you don't need more than 3, why are they billing for a 4th?  Since they are charging money for a 4th, Funcom must believe there is a demand or they wouldn't feel they could get money for it. Which brings me to my next question. While most games are offering 6-10 character slots, where the hell does FC get off thinking they can charge a Boxed Fee, a Sub Fee and open a cash shop (I am 100% certain you will have more slots for purchase here) for this?

This is the biggest load of crap yet!

 

The only reason anyone would want a 4th is for roleplaying. For the sake of the game you only need 3 characters, one for each faction. Each character can learn every skill so theres no reason to have more than 3 for gameplay purposes.

I think monthly fee + cash shop is taking the piss, and I hated when SoE did it, but character slots is the least of the issues when you dont need more than the allocated amount. It would only be a problem if you dont get given enough character slots to make one of each class, but as this game is classless that point is moot.

Which goes back to the question.

Why charge for a 4th? That's like trying to sell ice cubes to Eskimos then.

Either there is a demand or there isn't. Either way, FC charging for the 4th is crass.

Are they are holding out after charging a lot of money or they are milking for even more when there is a questionable value?

Of course they're after more money, but the fact still remains that most people will have no use for more than 3 slots, and for the ppl that want more, buying one is worth it.

So I don't think i'm following your argument at all

Originally posted by GeezerGamer

Originally posted by evilastro

Originally posted by GeezerGamer

I am not sure I follow this. The defense for charging for a 4th character slot is to say you don't need more than 3?

If you don't need more than 3, why are they billing for a 4th?  Since they are charging money for a 4th, Funcom must believe there is a demand or they wouldn't feel they could get money for it. Which brings me to my next question. While most games are offering 6-10 character slots, where the hell does FC get off thinking they can charge a Boxed Fee, a Sub Fee and open a cash shop (I am 100% certain you will have more slots for purchase here) for this?

This is the biggest load of crap yet!

 

The only reason anyone would want a 4th is for roleplaying. For the sake of the game you only need 3 characters, one for each faction. Each character can learn every skill so theres no reason to have more than 3 for gameplay purposes.

I think monthly fee + cash shop is taking the piss, and I hated when SoE did it, but character slots is the least of the issues when you dont need more than the allocated amount. It would only be a problem if you dont get given enough character slots to make one of each class, but as this game is classless that point is moot.

Which goes back to the question.

Why charge for a 4th? That's like trying to sell ice cubes to Eskimos then.

Either there is a demand or there isn't. Either way, FC charging for the 4th is crass.

Are they are holding out after charging a lot of money or they are milking for even more when there is a questionable value?

And even if just for RPing. Players have to pay extra for that option? To Roleplay? Really?

No matter how I look at this one, it benefits noone else other than Funcom.

Of course it's to make money, such options always are. Companies are in it to make money, money is the lifeblood of a company, without money it'll slowly die.

The difference with MMO's that have 6 to 8 slots is that those games have classes: if you want to play more classes you're gonna need those character slots. TSW doesn't have classes, your character can be healer, crowd controller, tank, damage dealer, utility guy, or any role and switch between them whenever you like, without having to create a new character with the desired class. You'd only need another character because you want to try out the other factions, not because you want to try out another class. So 3 characters should be alright for most players, if you want more, there's the additional character slots you can purchase.

Almost all mmos make you pay for extra character slots I don't get what's all the fuss on this game only.

Originally posted by Gwahlur

Originally posted by GeezerGamer

Originally posted by evilastro

Originally posted by GeezerGamer

I am not sure I follow this. The defense for charging for a 4th character slot is to say you don't need more than 3?

If you don't need more than 3, why are they billing for a 4th?  Since they are charging money for a 4th, Funcom must believe there is a demand or they wouldn't feel they could get money for it. Which brings me to my next question. While most games are offering 6-10 character slots, where the hell does FC get off thinking they can charge a Boxed Fee, a Sub Fee and open a cash shop (I am 100% certain you will have more slots for purchase here) for this?

This is the biggest load of crap yet!

 

The only reason anyone would want a 4th is for roleplaying. For the sake of the game you only need 3 characters, one for each faction. Each character can learn every skill so theres no reason to have more than 3 for gameplay purposes.

I think monthly fee + cash shop is taking the piss, and I hated when SoE did it, but character slots is the least of the issues when you dont need more than the allocated amount. It would only be a problem if you dont get given enough character slots to make one of each class, but as this game is classless that point is moot.

Which goes back to the question.

Why charge for a 4th? That's like trying to sell ice cubes to Eskimos then.

Either there is a demand or there isn't. Either way, FC charging for the 4th is crass.

Are they are holding out after charging a lot of money or they are milking for even more when there is a questionable value?

Of course they're after more money, but the fact still remains that most people will have no use for more than 3 slots, and for the ppl that want more, buying one is worth it.

So I don't think i'm following your argument at all

My arguement is simple:

Why charge for a 4th slot if only 3 are ever neede?

Your argument is confusing:

They charge for a 4th slot because you only need 3.

So if I want a 4th, Why should I pay more than a box and a sub?

50 bucks plus anthoer 15 isn't enough?

Originally posted by TROLL_HARD

Originally posted by Talonsin

A few red flags have been triggered by this recent annoucnement of life time subs.

1. The game currently does not have any beta at the moment, beta invites go out sometime this month but the game launches on June 19th.  Seems like a very short beta and not enough time to correct the issues that are identified in beta.

2. The lifetime sub being thrown out before a beta and at a cost just a hair above the one year price.

3. The current gameplay videos look clunky.  I understand some may be older but you would think that right before an annoucement for pre-orders you would release some of your best videos to entice people into buying.

4. The cash shop is being built in from the start with pets and inventory space leading me to believe that F2P is a viable option that FunCom has as a backup plan after the inital launch. 

 

I was really excited about this one and was thinking of grabbing the life time sub but now I am seriously rethinking it.

EA = auto red flag.

 

 

This.

Originally posted by bloodaxes

Almost all mmos make you pay for extra character slots I don't get what's all the fuss on this game only.

What AAA does that?

Originally posted by GeezerGamer

 

Why charge for a 4th slot if only 3 are ever neede?

Some people want more than 3 slots for rp reasons.

Personally I'm completely opposite and think it's nice I can concentrate on just one character, "me"

Originally posted by Gwahlur

Originally posted by GeezerGamer

 

Why charge for a 4th slot if only 3 are ever neede?

Some people want more than 3 slots for rp reasons.

Personally I'm completely opposite and think it's nice I can concentrate on just one character, "me"

I guess it's all moot now anwyay.

Not like there is any use until it launches. And that right now is what everyone is really watching.

Originally posted by GeezerGamer

Originally posted by bloodaxes

Almost all mmos make you pay for extra character slots I don't get what's all the fuss on this game only.

What AAA does that?

DC universe, Final Fantasy 11/13, Lotro etc etc

You can say they are not AAA but if we have to base what mmo is AAA by opinions we could stay here for a lot of time.

Originally posted by bloodaxes

Originally posted by GeezerGamer

Originally posted by bloodaxes

Almost all mmos make you pay for extra character slots I don't get what's all the fuss on this game only.

What AAA does that?

DC universe, Final Fantasy 11/13, Lotro etc etc

 

You can say they are not AAA but if we have to base what mmo is AAA by opinions we could stay here for a lot of time.

Well DCUO and Lotro are FREE TO PLAY so it kind of makes sense to charge people for character slots.  Many free to play games do this.  FFXI and FFXIV charage you a monthly fee to basically 'rent' a character slot. 

Most pay to play MMO's I have played do not charge for character slots.  Just my experience.