Originally posted by Cuathon

 

That's argument ad populum for one thing.  Also dev's have a powerful motivation to call their games MMOs because that is what justifies a sub fee. You act as if no one ever misused a word to gain a benefit.

If I say that red is green and millions of children are taught that from birth does that mean that red is green? Similarly if your first "MMO" is WoW or SWTOR than obviously you think those are MMOs because you didn't actually know any of the history of the word.

Just because you call something an MMO doesn't make it one. So saying that because most modern "MMOs" are called MMOs and are therefore MMOs is circular reasoning.

You must have missed the latest memo. FEW MMOs are plannning for sub fees anymore. The ONLY big one left is TOR. Almost everyone else is going F2P. So tell me, why do dev need to justifcy a sub fee when there is none?

Red and green are just labels. If for some strange reason, suddenly the label is switch, the world will still go on. *And* genre of gaming evolves all the time. Just make your own label (like in this other thread). It really does not matter when 5 people do not think WOW is a MMORPG, when the whole industry, press and millions of players are using that label.

Originally posted by nariusseldon

Originally posted by Cuathon

 

That's argument ad populum for one thing.  Also dev's have a powerful motivation to call their games MMOs because that is what justifies a sub fee. You act as if no one ever misused a word to gain a benefit.

If I say that red is green and millions of children are taught that from birth does that mean that red is green? Similarly if your first "MMO" is WoW or SWTOR than obviously you think those are MMOs because you didn't actually know any of the history of the word.

Just because you call something an MMO doesn't make it one. So saying that because most modern "MMOs" are called MMOs and are therefore MMOs is circular reasoning.

You must have missed the latest memo. FEW MMOs are plannning for sub fees anymore. The ONLY big one left is TOR. Almost everyone else is going F2P. So tell me, why do dev need to justifcy a sub fee when there is none?

Red and green are just labels. If for some strange reason, suddenly the label is switch, the world will still go on. *And* genre of gaming evolves all the time. Just make your own label (like in this other thread). It really does not matter when 5 people do not think WOW is a MMORPG, when the whole industry, press and millions of players are using that label.

 

 

 

Let's see if one day you wil be complaining about the side effects caused by a lack of subs money.

Originally posted by Cuathon

That's argument ad populum for one thing.  Also dev's have a powerful motivation to call their games MMOs because that is what justifies a sub fee. You act as if no one ever misused a word to gain a benefit.

If I say that red is green and millions of children are taught that from birth does that mean that red is green? Similarly if your first "MMO" is WoW or SWTOR than obviously you think those are MMOs because you didn't actually know any of the history of the word.

Just because you call something an MMO doesn't make it one. So saying that because most modern "MMOs" are called MMOs and are therefore MMOs is circular reasoning.

Two things strike me there.

1) You seemed to indicate that WOW and SWTOR are not MMOs. Did I read that right?

2) It isn't circular reasoning, it's evolution of the genre. A good example would be how PnP RPGs, CRPGs and console RPGs  seemed to fork off in different directions with varying degrees of emphasis on either narrative or progression. The genre evolved and expanded as new variations emerged.

Originally posted by waynejr2

Originally posted by nariusseldon

Originally posted by Cuathon

 

That's argument ad populum for one thing.  Also dev's have a powerful motivation to call their games MMOs because that is what justifies a sub fee. You act as if no one ever misused a word to gain a benefit.

If I say that red is green and millions of children are taught that from birth does that mean that red is green? Similarly if your first "MMO" is WoW or SWTOR than obviously you think those are MMOs because you didn't actually know any of the history of the word.

Just because you call something an MMO doesn't make it one. So saying that because most modern "MMOs" are called MMOs and are therefore MMOs is circular reasoning.

You must have missed the latest memo. FEW MMOs are plannning for sub fees anymore. The ONLY big one left is TOR. Almost everyone else is going F2P. So tell me, why do dev need to justifcy a sub fee when there is none?

Red and green are just labels. If for some strange reason, suddenly the label is switch, the world will still go on. *And* genre of gaming evolves all the time. Just make your own label (like in this other thread). It really does not matter when 5 people do not think WOW is a MMORPG, when the whole industry, press and millions of players are using that label.

 

 

 

Let's see if one day you wil be complaining about the side effects caused by a lack of subs money.

Most likely not. I will just quit MMO, if there aren't any fun to me, and do something else. (It is not like i haven't done that before .. if it is not for WOW and LFR, i won't be back playing MMOs anyway).

Plus, it is an established fact that F2P brings in MORE money than sub for quite a few MMOs.