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  Burntvet

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5/11/12 7:25:43 PM#181
Originally posted by Resiakraw
Originally posted by Burntvet
Originally posted by Resiakraw
Originally posted by Burntvet

For me, this game goes on the "much later / cheap rack" list.

Always on internet connect (bad, because I travel), RMAH (bad in general, worse for a single player game) and finally the no choice on allocating skill points upon advancement.

That last one is just insulting, like picking stat points was "too hard" for people. /raise finger

It's like a race to see what developer can stupid down the old game franchises the fastest.

 

I guess you must have missed the memo... you can play online with other people. Single player game? lol

Can does not equal must.

If a game can be played by yourself, it is by definition a single player game. As opposed to an MMO or arena shooter.

It can also be a multi/co-op game, but is not necessarily so.

But saying the opposite is not true, that you must  play D3 withother people,  and is thus a multiplayer game and not s single player game, is a moronic mis-statement of fact.

 

If a game can be played online with other people, it is by definition a multi-player game. As opposed to a single player game.

It can also be a single player game, but is not necessarily so.

But saying the opposite is not true, that you must play D3 by yourself, and is thus a single player game and not a multi-player game, is a moronic mis-statement of fact.

Funny how that works....

Anyway youre simply wrong. The fact that you have the option to play with others immediately removes it from the single player category. At best, you could perhaps consider it a single player game with multiplayer support, but in no way is it JUST single player. Your choice to play it as only a single player game does not redefine the game itself. Similarly, choosing to wipe yourself with your hand after defecating does not redefine your hand as toilet paper. It is still a hand, regardless of  how you choose to use it.

 

And you sir, refuse to see. If I wanted to play D3 totally solo, I could.

The same can not be said for any true multiplayer game or MMO, or those other games with no single player content at all.

All of which is totally irrelevant to my original post and the reasons I will not play D3, in the forseeable future and all of which were not the case with D2 (which I played extensively):

1. Always online connection sucks for a game that is/can be single player (Not a problem with D2)

2. Company planned, sanctioned, and integrated RMAH for a game that many will play single player only (Not a problem with D2, and also a main reason for the required internet connection)

3. Automatically applied stats to all toons of all types - no choice for any skill selection (Not a problem with D2).

 

All of those things are existing facts/features and reasons I will not be playing the game.

 

Please take your trolling and baiting comments to a less informed audience.

 

 

  Souldrainer

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5/11/12 7:50:32 PM#182
Grim Dawn has exceeded funding on kickstarter...just saying.

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  Leodious

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5/12/12 2:44:41 PM#183
Originally posted by dzoni87
Originally posted by rammur65

Just a little info of the day torchlight is headed by the orginal guys from the original diablo games matter fact they were in the process of making diablo 3 but because it didnt meet the expectations of vivendi they were let go where they ran off and created flagship games then they got canned because main guy left or something like that now they started up on runic games.

Just reminded me on this article

http://kotaku.com/5761172/this-is-what-diablo-iii-looked-like-a-long-time-ago/gallery/1

Article and couple of Screenshots of what could be Diablo 3 by, today's Runic games...

This is what bugs me the most about this issue. People mock Torchlight and say DIII is the best because a tiny two-bit team like Runic couldn't make a game as good as the old Diablo games.

 

 

Except they did.

"There are two great powers, and they've been fighting since time began. Every advance in human life, every scrap of knowledge and wisdom and decency we have has been torn by one side from the teeth of the other. Every little increase in human freedom has been fought over ferociously between those who want us to know more and be wiser and stronger, and those who want us to obey and be humble and submit."

— John Parry, to his son Will; "The Subtle Knife," by Phillip Pullman

  Aori

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Joined: 1/28/06
Posts: 1790

5/12/12 3:08:13 PM#184
Originally posted by Leodious
Originally posted by dzoni87
Originally posted by rammur65

Just a little info of the day torchlight is headed by the orginal guys from the original diablo games matter fact they were in the process of making diablo 3 but because it didnt meet the expectations of vivendi they were let go where they ran off and created flagship games then they got canned because main guy left or something like that now they started up on runic games.

Just reminded me on this article

http://kotaku.com/5761172/this-is-what-diablo-iii-looked-like-a-long-time-ago/gallery/1

Article and couple of Screenshots of what could be Diablo 3 by, today's Runic games...

This is what bugs me the most about this issue. People mock Torchlight and say DIII is the best because a tiny two-bit team like Runic couldn't make a game as good as the old Diablo games.

 

 

Except they did.

Not sure what you're on about with this comment. I don't recall within the last couple months anyone saying Runic was a 2bit team and they couldn't make a game as good as the old diablo.

  Celcius

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5/12/12 3:38:01 PM#185

There is a reason the game is breaking pre-order sales records (and probably PC game launch records). The reason being, that the game is great in beta and people trust Blizzard. Blizzard has never made a game that did not sell really well, hell I don't remember the last one to not break sales records, so they have brand loyalty. Brand loyalty is earned, not bought. People buy Blizzard games because they trust the investment they are making to be a good one. Contrary to what some people may believe, the game will be huge.

  Souldrainer

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5/12/12 3:50:19 PM#186
Originally posted by Celcius

There is a reason the game is breaking pre-order sales records (and probably PC game launch records). The reason being, that the game is great in beta and people trust Blizzard. Blizzard has never made a game that did not sell really well, hell I don't remember the last one to not break sales records, so they have brand loyalty. Brand loyalty is earned, not bought. People buy Blizzard games because they trust the investment they are making to be a good one. Contrary to what some people may believe, the game will be huge.

I don't see anybody here saying it will flop.  What we are saying though... is Blizzard basically blended the world with Helloy Kitty and added a Buy to Win system, and people are OK with it.  It's a sad day for gaming.

 

Will the game be high quality?  Sure.  It will be of amazing quality...  the absolute best Warcraft ARPG you can imagine!  Will the game be a solid and true sequel to the Diablo series?  Not by a long shot.

 

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  trashbug

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5/12/12 3:51:00 PM#187

Diablo 3 is a game for a new generation of players, who didn't grow up on roguelikes, D1 or D2. I think it will be a good "first hack n slash" for these people. If I were 14 again, I would jump on Diablo 3 to play with my friends. I would roar in anticipation, wanting to roll a Wizard (throwing lasers!) or a barb (turning into a super sayan!). Yay. No wonder D3 is the most preordered game ever on Amazon. It will be a huge success.

 

Anyway, the good thing is that there are plenty of D3 alternatives: Grim Dawn, Path of Exile, Torchlight 2. Heck, I even had fun playing Darkspore, Dungeons of Dredmor or the "old" Titan Quest. Oh and don't forget Guild Wars 2.

  User Deleted
5/12/12 3:52:30 PM#188

It has it's fun moments but certainly not the Diablo we wanted.

  User Deleted
5/12/12 3:54:09 PM#189
Originally posted by Celcius

There is a reason the game is breaking pre-order sales records (and probably PC game launch records). The reason being, that the game is great in beta and people trust Blizzard. Blizzard has never made a game that did not sell really well, hell I don't remember the last one to not break sales records, so they have brand loyalty. Brand loyalty is earned, not bought. People buy Blizzard games because they trust the investment they are making to be a good one. Contrary to what some people may believe, the game will be huge.

It is all about the name Blizzard North made happen.  It is just a popular franchise good or not peope will go play it. 

  fivoroth

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5/12/12 4:04:22 PM#190
Originally posted by Souldrainer
Originally posted by Celcius

There is a reason the game is breaking pre-order sales records (and probably PC game launch records). The reason being, that the game is great in beta and people trust Blizzard. Blizzard has never made a game that did not sell really well, hell I don't remember the last one to not break sales records, so they have brand loyalty. Brand loyalty is earned, not bought. People buy Blizzard games because they trust the investment they are making to be a good one. Contrary to what some people may believe, the game will be huge.

I don't see anybody here saying it will flop.  What we are saying though... is Blizzard basically blended the world with Helloy Kitty and added a Buy to Win system, and people are OK with it.  It's a sad day for gaming.

 

Will the game be high quality?  Sure.  It will be of amazing quality...  the absolute best Warcraft ARPG you can imagine!  Will the game be a solid and true sequel to the Diablo series?  Not by a long shot.

 

Why exactly is Diablo 3 a Warcraft ARPG? I am listening. Amuse me.

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  Kinchyle

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5/12/12 4:11:31 PM#191
Originally posted by fivoroth
Originally posted by Souldrainer
Originally posted by Celcius

There is a reason the game is breaking pre-order sales records (and probably PC game launch records). The reason being, that the game is great in beta and people trust Blizzard. Blizzard has never made a game that did not sell really well, hell I don't remember the last one to not break sales records, so they have brand loyalty. Brand loyalty is earned, not bought. People buy Blizzard games because they trust the investment they are making to be a good one. Contrary to what some people may believe, the game will be huge.

I don't see anybody here saying it will flop.  What we are saying though... is Blizzard basically blended the world with Helloy Kitty and added a Buy to Win system, and people are OK with it.  It's a sad day for gaming.

 

Will the game be high quality?  Sure.  It will be of amazing quality...  the absolute best Warcraft ARPG you can imagine!  Will the game be a solid and true sequel to the Diablo series?  Not by a long shot.

 

Why exactly is Diablo 3 a Warcraft ARPG? I am listening. Amuse me.

Yeah...me too. Since it pre-dates Warcraft. I'd be interested too. How many pages are in this thread? All to "try" and make D3 seem bad? Sorry...still buying it. Thanks for your input though

  Souldrainer

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5/12/12 4:15:21 PM#192
Originally posted by fivoroth
Originally posted by Souldrainer
Originally posted by Celcius

There is a reason the game is breaking pre-order sales records (and probably PC game launch records). The reason being, that the game is great in beta and people trust Blizzard. Blizzard has never made a game that did not sell really well, hell I don't remember the last one to not break sales records, so they have brand loyalty. Brand loyalty is earned, not bought. People buy Blizzard games because they trust the investment they are making to be a good one. Contrary to what some people may believe, the game will be huge.

I don't see anybody here saying it will flop.  What we are saying though... is Blizzard basically blended the world with Helloy Kitty and added a Buy to Win system, and people are OK with it.  It's a sad day for gaming.

 

Will the game be high quality?  Sure.  It will be of amazing quality...  the absolute best Warcraft ARPG you can imagine!  Will the game be a solid and true sequel to the Diablo series?  Not by a long shot.

 

Why exactly is Diablo 3 a Warcraft ARPG? I am listening. Amuse me.

#1 Existence of pre-rendered Best in Slot items.

#2 Pastel Colors.

#3 Pandaria skill tree system.

#4 Forced Online play.

#5 Existence of Bind on Pickup items.

... for starters.  The similarities don't end there, not  by a long shot.  But then, they are adding RMT auctions.  /fail

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  trashbug

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5/12/12 4:22:01 PM#193

World of Warcraft. Ok, I understand now :)

Don't forget that the D3 dev team is mostly composed of WOW players or devs. This explains that.

  Kinchyle

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5/12/12 4:27:26 PM#194
Originally posted by Souldrainer
Originally posted by fivoroth
Originally posted by Souldrainer
Originally posted by Celcius

There is a reason the game is breaking pre-order sales records (and probably PC game launch records). The reason being, that the game is great in beta and people trust Blizzard. Blizzard has never made a game that did not sell really well, hell I don't remember the last one to not break sales records, so they have brand loyalty. Brand loyalty is earned, not bought. People buy Blizzard games because they trust the investment they are making to be a good one. Contrary to what some people may believe, the game will be huge.

I don't see anybody here saying it will flop.  What we are saying though... is Blizzard basically blended the world with Helloy Kitty and added a Buy to Win system, and people are OK with it.  It's a sad day for gaming.

 

Will the game be high quality?  Sure.  It will be of amazing quality...  the absolute best Warcraft ARPG you can imagine!  Will the game be a solid and true sequel to the Diablo series?  Not by a long shot.

 

Why exactly is Diablo 3 a Warcraft ARPG? I am listening. Amuse me.

#1 Existence of pre-rendered Best in Slot items.

#2 Pastel Colors.

#3 Pandaria skill tree system.

#4 Forced Online play.

#5 Existence of Bind on Pickup items.

... for starters.  The similarities don't end there, not  by a long shot.  But then, they are adding RMT auctions.  /fail

Almost everything you said there was started in Diablo....wtf?

Pandaria skill tree...wha?

Forced online play is new...get over it

Bind on pickup is new, but not exclusive to any Blizzard product....

Do....do you know what you are talking about? At all?

  Souldrainer

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5/12/12 4:28:03 PM#195
Originally posted by trashbug

World of Warcraft. Ok, I understand now :)

Don't forget that the D3 dev team is mostly composed of WOW players or devs. This explains that.

There are many reasons why they did it, WOW fan recognition among them... but what about Diablo fan recognition?  Blizzard has no clue why Diablo was great.  They only know why Warcraft was great, and that is why it's a WOW ARPG.

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  Slampig

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5/12/12 4:28:50 PM#196

Ah, thank you OP for assuming to speak for everyone, good looking out.

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  Kinchyle

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5/12/12 4:30:38 PM#197

/shakes head

 

You pople MUST realise that the stuff they did in WOW was based on Diablo....right? So many things were adapted from Diablo to WoW. Not the reverse.

  Souldrainer

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5/12/12 4:32:02 PM#198
Originally posted by Kinchyle
Originally posted by Souldrainer
Originally posted by fivoroth
Originally posted by Souldrainer
Originally posted by Celcius

There is a reason the game is breaking pre-order sales records (and probably PC game launch records). The reason being, that the game is great in beta and people trust Blizzard. Blizzard has never made a game that did not sell really well, hell I don't remember the last one to not break sales records, so they have brand loyalty. Brand loyalty is earned, not bought. People buy Blizzard games because they trust the investment they are making to be a good one. Contrary to what some people may believe, the game will be huge.

I don't see anybody here saying it will flop.  What we are saying though... is Blizzard basically blended the world with Helloy Kitty and added a Buy to Win system, and people are OK with it.  It's a sad day for gaming.

 

Will the game be high quality?  Sure.  It will be of amazing quality...  the absolute best Warcraft ARPG you can imagine!  Will the game be a solid and true sequel to the Diablo series?  Not by a long shot.

 

Why exactly is Diablo 3 a Warcraft ARPG? I am listening. Amuse me.

#1 Existence of pre-rendered Best in Slot items.

#2 Pastel Colors.

#3 Pandaria skill tree system.

#4 Forced Online play.

#5 Existence of Bind on Pickup items.

... for starters.  The similarities don't end there, not  by a long shot.  But then, they are adding RMT auctions.  /fail

Almost everything you said there was started in Diablo....wtf?

Pandaria skill tree...wha?

Forced online play is new...get over it

Bind on pickup is new, but not exclusive to any Blizzard product....

Do....do you know what you are talking about? At all?

WOW... you are so blind you don't even comprehend my post?

#1 Diablo 1 and 2 had random items, not BIS shit.

#2 Pastels in D1 or two?  Where?

#3 Look at the talent trees of Pandaria and Diablo... almost identical.

#4 Both D1 and D2 could be played offline with no internet at launch.  Then WOW came out.

#5 Has never been in Diablo 1, 2.

Even the Barbarian armor sets look like WOW's warrior sets from older versions.

 

Yup, you are delusional/

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OP  5/12/12 4:35:37 PM#199
Originally posted by Souldrainer

WOW... you are so blind you don't even comprehend my post?

#1 Diablo 1 and 2 had random items, not BIS shit.

#2 Pastels in D1 or two?  Where?

#3 Look at the talent trees of Pandaria and Diablo... almost identical.

#4 Both D1 and D2 could be played offline with no internet at launch.  Then WOW came out.

#5 Has never been in Diablo 1, 2.

Even the Barbarian armor sets look like WOW's warrior sets from older versions.

Yup, you are delusional/

You're arguing with a brainwashed fanboy. I don't understand what you're expecting.

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5/12/12 4:37:30 PM#200
Originally posted by ArEf
Originally posted by Souldrainer

WOW... you are so blind you don't even comprehend my post?

#1 Diablo 1 and 2 had random items, not BIS shit.

#2 Pastels in D1 or two?  Where?

#3 Look at the talent trees of Pandaria and Diablo... almost identical.

#4 Both D1 and D2 could be played offline with no internet at launch.  Then WOW came out.

#5 Has never been in Diablo 1, 2.

Even the Barbarian armor sets look like WOW's warrior sets from older versions.

Yup, you are delusional/

You're arguing with a brainwashed fanboy. I don't understand what you're expecting.

Good point.  I guess I should stop.

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