Originally posted by Kendane

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by eyeswideopen

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by eyeswideopen

Well, this and Salem makes two upcoming mmos for me to totally forget about now. If I want permadeath, I'll jump off a real life bridge.

 

I guess you didnt read my post just above yours then. Only the head of a guild who runs one of the cities is ever even at risk so permadeath is only for those who want to risk it.

So obtaining the "top spot" is still unattainable without having the risk of losing everything I worked for in the game prior.

No thanks, I'll stay away.

 

Fair enough, but I imagine you wouldn't get to the top 10 (guesswork) players in a sandbox game if you weren't a bit of a risktaker.

Ah if thats how it works, the permadeath bit doesn't seem like it would be as bad. I was thinking at first a Prince could just have players characters destroyed if they didn't pay them "tribute" or tell him he was as awesome as he wanted to hear, basically what would happen in an MMO if someone with power could dictate whos character gets destroyed. Almost had an image or every guild in the city having to pay a "Sacrafice" of the Prince's choosing every month or something.

Guessing the Prince dude has that power, but has some "Protection" removed where they can perma die too? Eh guessing its too early to know for sure, kind of interesting though.

Originally posted by Kendane

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by eyeswideopen

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by eyeswideopen

Well, this and Salem makes two upcoming mmos for me to totally forget about now. If I want permadeath, I'll jump off a real life bridge.

 

I guess you didnt read my post just above yours then. Only the head of a guild who runs one of the cities is ever even at risk so permadeath is only for those who want to risk it.

So obtaining the "top spot" is still unattainable without having the risk of losing everything I worked for in the game prior.

No thanks, I'll stay away.

 

Fair enough, but I imagine you wouldn't get to the top 10 (guesswork) players in a sandbox game if you weren't a bit of a risktaker.

Ah if thats how it works, the permadeath bit doesn't seem like it would be as bad. I was thinking at first a Prince could just have players characters destroyed if they didn't pay them "tribute" or tell him he was as awesome as he wanted to hear, basically what would happen in an MMO if someone with power could dictate whos character gets destroyed. Almost had an image or every guild in the city having to pay a "Sacrafice" of the Prince's choosing every month or something.

Guessing the Prince dude has that power, but has some "Protection" removed where they can perma die too? Eh guessing its too early to know for sure, kind of interesting though.

And in the past we've seen how well bugs work in these games, what if the first person finally reaches the prince and he bugs out instantly killing everyone who walks through the door, not a very good thing to place in an mmo imo, if you want permadeath go outside IRL . This kind of immersion really isn't all the well planned usually and ends up being a bigger pain in the long run. They've tried it before just like they tried gear scores before look how well that worked.

Originally posted by Corehaven

Originally posted by Deathenger

There was a question about death which was answered by confirming there will be permadeath unless I misunderstood. I'm really interested in how this will work in the end and how much of an impact it will really have on the game. It's about 30 min into the video, I tried to link best I could to the exact moment of the question.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Cf_xGH0v93U#t=1846s

 

Just watched again and I believe the answer to permadeath was "You can be permanently killed and your character removed to the game" Inderesting indeed and I'm looking forward to more info on this in the future.

 

Hey I love the IP so much thats fine with me but.....

 

I kind of have to laugh at the idea of permadeath in a game....where....you are a vampire.  Ahem.  Just sayin. 

I know, right? 

That said, I dont' mind that at all.  Fearing death again would be a very nice feeling that I haven't had for years.  Plus at this point anyway, WoD can do no wrong... (Sorry, I loved the PnP games, I am very much looking forward to this).

Originally posted by Corehaven

Originally posted by Deathenger

There was a question about death which was answered by confirming there will be permadeath unless I misunderstood. I'm really interested in how this will work in the end and how much of an impact it will really have on the game. It's about 30 min into the video, I tried to link best I could to the exact moment of the question.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Cf_xGH0v93U#t=1846s

 

Just watched again and I believe the answer to permadeath was "You can be permanently killed and your character removed to the game" Inderesting indeed and I'm looking forward to more info on this in the future.

 

Hey I love the IP so much thats fine with me but.....

 

I kind of have to laugh at the idea of permadeath in a game....where....you are a vampire.  Ahem.  Just sayin. 

Sunlight... Just sayin.

Yeah, like Ref posted above, permadeath will not affect anyone else but the princes, e.g. the character in control of a city.

And permadeath isn't actually that bad in a game, where there's no leveling etc, but only some items to collect.

World of Darkness is all about social engineering, and not about progressing with your character in terms of skills, talents or levels.

Originally posted by itgrowls

Originally posted by Kendane

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by eyeswideopen

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by eyeswideopen

Well, this and Salem makes two upcoming mmos for me to totally forget about now. If I want permadeath, I'll jump off a real life bridge.

 

I guess you didnt read my post just above yours then. Only the head of a guild who runs one of the cities is ever even at risk so permadeath is only for those who want to risk it.

So obtaining the "top spot" is still unattainable without having the risk of losing everything I worked for in the game prior.

No thanks, I'll stay away.

 

Fair enough, but I imagine you wouldn't get to the top 10 (guesswork) players in a sandbox game if you weren't a bit of a risktaker.

Ah if thats how it works, the permadeath bit doesn't seem like it would be as bad. I was thinking at first a Prince could just have players characters destroyed if they didn't pay them "tribute" or tell him he was as awesome as he wanted to hear, basically what would happen in an MMO if someone with power could dictate whos character gets destroyed. Almost had an image or every guild in the city having to pay a "Sacrafice" of the Prince's choosing every month or something.

Guessing the Prince dude has that power, but has some "Protection" removed where they can perma die too? Eh guessing its too early to know for sure, kind of interesting though.

And in the past we've seen how well bugs work in these games, what if the first person finally reaches the prince and he bugs out instantly killing everyone who walks through the door, not a very good thing to place in an mmo imo, if you want permadeath go outside IRL . This kind of immersion really isn't all the well planned usually and ends up being a bigger pain in the long run. They've tried it before just like they tried gear scores before look how well that worked.

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by itgrowls

Originally posted by Kendane

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by eyeswideopen

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by eyeswideopen

Well, this and Salem makes two upcoming mmos for me to totally forget about now. If I want permadeath, I'll jump off a real life bridge.

 

I guess you didnt read my post just above yours then. Only the head of a guild who runs one of the cities is ever even at risk so permadeath is only for those who want to risk it.

So obtaining the "top spot" is still unattainable without having the risk of losing everything I worked for in the game prior.

No thanks, I'll stay away.

 

Fair enough, but I imagine you wouldn't get to the top 10 (guesswork) players in a sandbox game if you weren't a bit of a risktaker.

Ah if thats how it works, the permadeath bit doesn't seem like it would be as bad. I was thinking at first a Prince could just have players characters destroyed if they didn't pay them "tribute" or tell him he was as awesome as he wanted to hear, basically what would happen in an MMO if someone with power could dictate whos character gets destroyed. Almost had an image or every guild in the city having to pay a "Sacrafice" of the Prince's choosing every month or something.

Guessing the Prince dude has that power, but has some "Protection" removed where they can perma die too? Eh guessing its too early to know for sure, kind of interesting though.

And in the past we've seen how well bugs work in these games, what if the first person finally reaches the prince and he bugs out instantly killing everyone who walks through the door, not a very good thing to place in an mmo imo, if you want permadeath go outside IRL . This kind of immersion really isn't all the well planned usually and ends up being a bigger pain in the long run. They've tried it before just like they tried gear scores before look how well that worked.

 

Hmm, instead of only the prince being able to permadie, if suddenly "everyone who walked through the door" permadied, don't you honk the developers might just step in at that point, this is not the game for you I fear, stay away in case your fears dilute it.

Another person who has probably NEVER played a permadeath game citing why it will never work.

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by itgrowls

Originally posted by Kendane

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by eyeswideopen

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by eyeswideopen

Well, this and Salem makes two upcoming mmos for me to totally forget about now. If I want permadeath, I'll jump off a real life bridge.

 

I guess you didnt read my post just above yours then. Only the head of a guild who runs one of the cities is ever even at risk so permadeath is only for those who want to risk it.

So obtaining the "top spot" is still unattainable without having the risk of losing everything I worked for in the game prior.

No thanks, I'll stay away.

 

Fair enough, but I imagine you wouldn't get to the top 10 (guesswork) players in a sandbox game if you weren't a bit of a risktaker.

Ah if thats how it works, the permadeath bit doesn't seem like it would be as bad. I was thinking at first a Prince could just have players characters destroyed if they didn't pay them "tribute" or tell him he was as awesome as he wanted to hear, basically what would happen in an MMO if someone with power could dictate whos character gets destroyed. Almost had an image or every guild in the city having to pay a "Sacrafice" of the Prince's choosing every month or something.

Guessing the Prince dude has that power, but has some "Protection" removed where they can perma die too? Eh guessing its too early to know for sure, kind of interesting though.

And in the past we've seen how well bugs work in these games, what if the first person finally reaches the prince and he bugs out instantly killing everyone who walks through the door, not a very good thing to place in an mmo imo, if you want permadeath go outside IRL . This kind of immersion really isn't all the well planned usually and ends up being a bigger pain in the long run. They've tried it before just like they tried gear scores before look how well that worked.

 

Hmm, instead of only the prince being able to permadie, if suddenly "everyone who walked through the door" permadied, don't you honk the developers might just step in at that point, this is not the game for you I fear, stay away in case your fears dilute it.

Clearly it's not, and i don't "honk" the devs will step in fast enough. It's already bad enough that at launch they won't be including the five other major player factions that were in their game before their dice game's end of the world scenario completed. It's sad really that they aren't including the very thing that made their dice game great at launch. I'm sorry but waiting for these games like this and watching them put things like this into a game not to be outside the box but to just stunt the character's development is the last straw imo.

Originally posted by itgrowls

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by itgrowls

Originally posted by Kendane

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by eyeswideopen

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by eyeswideopen

Well, this and Salem makes two upcoming mmos for me to totally forget about now. If I want permadeath, I'll jump off a real life bridge.

 

I guess you didnt read my post just above yours then. Only the head of a guild who runs one of the cities is ever even at risk so permadeath is only for those who want to risk it.

So obtaining the "top spot" is still unattainable without having the risk of losing everything I worked for in the game prior.

No thanks, I'll stay away.

 

Fair enough, but I imagine you wouldn't get to the top 10 (guesswork) players in a sandbox game if you weren't a bit of a risktaker.

Ah if thats how it works, the permadeath bit doesn't seem like it would be as bad. I was thinking at first a Prince could just have players characters destroyed if they didn't pay them "tribute" or tell him he was as awesome as he wanted to hear, basically what would happen in an MMO if someone with power could dictate whos character gets destroyed. Almost had an image or every guild in the city having to pay a "Sacrafice" of the Prince's choosing every month or something.

Guessing the Prince dude has that power, but has some "Protection" removed where they can perma die too? Eh guessing its too early to know for sure, kind of interesting though.

And in the past we've seen how well bugs work in these games, what if the first person finally reaches the prince and he bugs out instantly killing everyone who walks through the door, not a very good thing to place in an mmo imo, if you want permadeath go outside IRL . This kind of immersion really isn't all the well planned usually and ends up being a bigger pain in the long run. They've tried it before just like they tried gear scores before look how well that worked.

 

Hmm, instead of only the prince being able to permadie, if suddenly "everyone who walked through the door" permadied, don't you honk the developers might just step in at that point, this is not the game for you I fear, stay away in case your fears dilute it.

Clearly it's not, and i don't "honk" the devs will step in fast enough. It's already bad enough that at launch they won't be including the five other major player factions that were in their game before their dice game's end of the world scenario completed. It's sad really that they aren't including the very thing that made their dice game great at launch. I'm sorry but waiting for these games like this and watching them put things like this into a game not to be outside the box but to just stunt the character's development is the last straw imo.

I'll be sure to give the high level guys driving firetrucks with heavy lasers attached that their character development is stunted in the permadeath MMO I play.

This seems to have become twisted and people are saying the Prince will be affected by Permadeath. That's not what was said. Watch the linked youtube file and it's very clear. The Prince can call a Blood Hunt on someone, probably for a major infraction of the Masquerade (that's my best guess), and that player can then be hunted down and killed. Nobody said that only Princes can be killed.

They clearly said that a Blood Hunt can result in permadeath, and only a Prince can call a Blood Hunt.

It's amazing how quickly a very simple statement can be twisted into something else.

Originally posted by TruthXHurts

Originally posted by itgrowls

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by itgrowls

Originally posted by Kendane

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by eyeswideopen

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by eyeswideopen

Well, this and Salem makes two upcoming mmos for me to totally forget about now. If I want permadeath, I'll jump off a real life bridge.

 

I guess you didnt read my post just above yours then. Only the head of a guild who runs one of the cities is ever even at risk so permadeath is only for those who want to risk it.

So obtaining the "top spot" is still unattainable without having the risk of losing everything I worked for in the game prior.

No thanks, I'll stay away.

 

Fair enough, but I imagine you wouldn't get to the top 10 (guesswork) players in a sandbox game if you weren't a bit of a risktaker.

Ah if thats how it works, the permadeath bit doesn't seem like it would be as bad. I was thinking at first a Prince could just have players characters destroyed if they didn't pay them "tribute" or tell him he was as awesome as he wanted to hear, basically what would happen in an MMO if someone with power could dictate whos character gets destroyed. Almost had an image or every guild in the city having to pay a "Sacrafice" of the Prince's choosing every month or something.

Guessing the Prince dude has that power, but has some "Protection" removed where they can perma die too? Eh guessing its too early to know for sure, kind of interesting though.

And in the past we've seen how well bugs work in these games, what if the first person finally reaches the prince and he bugs out instantly killing everyone who walks through the door, not a very good thing to place in an mmo imo, if you want permadeath go outside IRL . This kind of immersion really isn't all the well planned usually and ends up being a bigger pain in the long run. They've tried it before just like they tried gear scores before look how well that worked.

 

Hmm, instead of only the prince being able to permadie, if suddenly "everyone who walked through the door" permadied, don't you honk the developers might just step in at that point, this is not the game for you I fear, stay away in case your fears dilute it.

Clearly it's not, and i don't "honk" the devs will step in fast enough. It's already bad enough that at launch they won't be including the five other major player factions that were in their game before their dice game's end of the world scenario completed. It's sad really that they aren't including the very thing that made their dice game great at launch. I'm sorry but waiting for these games like this and watching them put things like this into a game not to be outside the box but to just stunt the character's development is the last straw imo.

I'll be sure to give the high level guys driving firetrucks with heavy lasers attached that their character development is stunted in the permadeath MMO I play.

I "honk" that might be best.

Incase you don't know about WW and VtM / WoD, i suggest you read on it a bit.. Final death is what they're propably talking about here, and in VtM final death isn't that easily gained :)

Originally posted by jmcdermottuk

This seems to have become twisted and people are saying the Prince will be affected by Permadeath. That's not what was said. Watch the linked youtube file and it's very clear. The Prince can call a Blood Hunt on someone, probably for a major infraction of the Masquerade (that's my best guess), and that player can then be hunted down and killed. Nobody said that only Princes can be killed.

 

They clearly said that a Blood Hunt can result in permadeath, and only a Prince can call a Blood Hunt.

 

It's amazing how quickly a very simple statement can be twisted into something else.

We had a lesson in that in the 3rd grade (yes I can remember that far back).  We all sat in a circle, and the teacher whispered a phrase to the person next to her.  It was whispered around until it got back to the teacher.  At that point, it was a different phrase entirely.  I have never forgotten that lesson.

Originally posted by jmcdermottuk

This seems to have become twisted and people are saying the Prince will be affected by Permadeath. That's not what was said. Watch the linked youtube file and it's very clear. The Prince can call a Blood Hunt on someone, probably for a major infraction of the Masquerade (that's my best guess), and that player can then be hunted down and killed. Nobody said that only Princes can be killed.

 

They clearly said that a Blood Hunt can result in permadeath, and only a Prince can call a Blood Hunt.

 

It's amazing how quickly a very simple statement can be twisted into something else.

Originally posted by itgrowls

Originally posted by TruthXHurts

Originally posted by itgrowls

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by itgrowls

Originally posted by Kendane

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by eyeswideopen

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by eyeswideopen

Well, this and Salem makes two upcoming mmos for me to totally forget about now. If I want permadeath, I'll jump off a real life bridge.

 

I guess you didnt read my post just above yours then. Only the head of a guild who runs one of the cities is ever even at risk so permadeath is only for those who want to risk it.

So obtaining the "top spot" is still unattainable without having the risk of losing everything I worked for in the game prior.

No thanks, I'll stay away.

 

Fair enough, but I imagine you wouldn't get to the top 10 (guesswork) players in a sandbox game if you weren't a bit of a risktaker.

Ah if thats how it works, the permadeath bit doesn't seem like it would be as bad. I was thinking at first a Prince could just have players characters destroyed if they didn't pay them "tribute" or tell him he was as awesome as he wanted to hear, basically what would happen in an MMO if someone with power could dictate whos character gets destroyed. Almost had an image or every guild in the city having to pay a "Sacrafice" of the Prince's choosing every month or something.

Guessing the Prince dude has that power, but has some "Protection" removed where they can perma die too? Eh guessing its too early to know for sure, kind of interesting though.

And in the past we've seen how well bugs work in these games, what if the first person finally reaches the prince and he bugs out instantly killing everyone who walks through the door, not a very good thing to place in an mmo imo, if you want permadeath go outside IRL . This kind of immersion really isn't all the well planned usually and ends up being a bigger pain in the long run. They've tried it before just like they tried gear scores before look how well that worked.

 

Hmm, instead of only the prince being able to permadie, if suddenly "everyone who walked through the door" permadied, don't you honk the developers might just step in at that point, this is not the game for you I fear, stay away in case your fears dilute it.

Clearly it's not, and i don't "honk" the devs will step in fast enough. It's already bad enough that at launch they won't be including the five other major player factions that were in their game before their dice game's end of the world scenario completed. It's sad really that they aren't including the very thing that made their dice game great at launch. I'm sorry but waiting for these games like this and watching them put things like this into a game not to be outside the box but to just stunt the character's development is the last straw imo.

I'll be sure to give the high level guys driving firetrucks with heavy lasers attached that their character development is stunted in the permadeath MMO I play.

I "honk" that might be best.

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by jmcdermottuk

This seems to have become twisted and people are saying the Prince will be affected by Permadeath. That's not what was said. Watch the linked youtube file and it's very clear. The Prince can call a Blood Hunt on someone, probably for a major infraction of the Masquerade (that's my best guess), and that player can then be hunted down and killed. Nobody said that only Princes can be killed.

 

They clearly said that a Blood Hunt can result in permadeath, and only a Prince can call a Blood Hunt.

 

It's amazing how quickly a very simple statement can be twisted into something else.

 

My quote was from here.

 

http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/03/24/world-of-darkness-presented-at-eve-fanfest-2012/

 

The two are not mutually exclusive, it is possible a prince may only call a blood hunt on another prince for example.

I disagree. A prince will call Blood Hunt on minions under his control for serious transgressions. It's a form of punishment.

A Prince wanting another Prince bumped off would be classed as an assassination. They're very different things and used in very different situations.

Edit: Having read the massively article, he's got it wrong. Go watch the youtube clip and listen to the founder of CCP. Right from the horses mouth, not some journo who obviously missed the point.

Originally posted by jmcdermottuk

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by jmcdermottuk

This seems to have become twisted and people are saying the Prince will be affected by Permadeath. That's not what was said. Watch the linked youtube file and it's very clear. The Prince can call a Blood Hunt on someone, probably for a major infraction of the Masquerade (that's my best guess), and that player can then be hunted down and killed. Nobody said that only Princes can be killed.

 

They clearly said that a Blood Hunt can result in permadeath, and only a Prince can call a Blood Hunt.

 

It's amazing how quickly a very simple statement can be twisted into something else.

 

My quote was from here.

 

http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/03/24/world-of-darkness-presented-at-eve-fanfest-2012/

 

The two are not mutually exclusive, it is possible a prince may only call a blood hunt on another prince for example.

I disagree. A prince will call Blood Hunt on minions under his control for serious transgressions. It's a form of punishment.

A Prince wanting another Prince bumped off would be classed as an assassination. They're very different things and used in very different situations.

 

Edit: Having read the massively article, he's got it wrong. Go watch the youtube clip and listen to the founder of CCP. Right from the horses mouth, not some journo who obviously missed the point.

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by jmcdermottuk

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by jmcdermottuk

This seems to have become twisted and people are saying the Prince will be affected by Permadeath. That's not what was said. Watch the linked youtube file and it's very clear. The Prince can call a Blood Hunt on someone, probably for a major infraction of the Masquerade (that's my best guess), and that player can then be hunted down and killed. Nobody said that only Princes can be killed.

 

They clearly said that a Blood Hunt can result in permadeath, and only a Prince can call a Blood Hunt.

 

It's amazing how quickly a very simple statement can be twisted into something else.

 

My quote was from here.

 

http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/03/24/world-of-darkness-presented-at-eve-fanfest-2012/

 

The two are not mutually exclusive, it is possible a prince may only call a blood hunt on another prince for example.

I disagree. A prince will call Blood Hunt on minions under his control for serious transgressions. It's a form of punishment.

A Prince wanting another Prince bumped off would be classed as an assassination. They're very different things and used in very different situations.

 

Edit: Having read the massively article, he's got it wrong. Go watch the youtube clip and listen to the founder of CCP. Right from the horses mouth, not some journo who obviously missed the point.

 

It doesn't say who it can be called on, he doesn't mention minions, he just says he can call it on you. The massively article put it in quotes so that usually means someone said those words. I guess we need more info from CCP to clarify the point.

Not really. If you're at all familiar with the IP then the use of the term "Blood Hunt" should be enough to explain it.