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  gainesvilleg

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OP  3/23/12 10:43:42 AM#1

Just wondering if anybody knows of which upcoming MMO's will not have a P2W cash shop?  The only thing I would consider acceptable in a cash shop are cosmetic only items that are clearly differentiated from those that you can get in-game (for instance, not allowing you to buy items, cosmetic or otherwise, that others need to work for).

I don't care about monthly subscription price it can be whatever it needs to be ($10, $15, $50) or box price for that matter.

Now that GW2 is pay2win model (plus $60 box price) I think many of us are wondering what games we can look forward to that won't have this pathetic pay2win cash shop.  Certainly there must be at least one upcoming MMO that won't have this?

GW2 "built from the ground up with microtransactions in mind"
1) Cash->Gems->Gold->Influence->WvWvWBoosts = PAY2WIN
2) Mystic Chests = Crass in-game cash shop advertisements

  atticusbc

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3/23/12 10:44:51 AM#2

okay well since GW2 is your definition of p2w.... none of them.

  QSatu

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3/23/12 10:46:04 AM#3
Originally posted by atticusbc

okay well since GW2 is your definition of p2w.... none of them.

I think OP should find a better hobby.

  gainesvilleg

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OP  3/23/12 10:46:43 AM#4
Originally posted by atticusbc

okay well since GW2 is your definition of p2w.... none of them.

If that is true, than we have reach a really pathetic point in MMO gaming history...

GW2 "built from the ground up with microtransactions in mind"
1) Cash->Gems->Gold->Influence->WvWvWBoosts = PAY2WIN
2) Mystic Chests = Crass in-game cash shop advertisements

  User Deleted
3/23/12 10:54:51 AM#5

hehee in the near future there will be threads "which True MMORPG has best cash shop"

after that

cash shop ratings.

"how to cash shop" guide for best role playing experience etc.

 

i hope ArcheAge is the answer,but at these dark days these peeps might actually demand cash shop to it.

 

  L0C0Man

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3/23/12 10:57:58 AM#6

Depends on your definition of P2W, but I guess if you're including GW2 you mean getting any advantage in the game by paying would mean P2W... so, it does look bleak from your point of view.

Both Tera and The Secret World will have cash shops, no idea what will be on them, but I'll bet that they'll have at least bonus XP for sale, so from your point of view they'll be P2W as well.

Archeage might be what you're looking for, haven't heard of a cash shop on it, but since they don't even have an US publisher yet there's very little info on wether it'll have one or not.

There's also Myst of Pandaria, AFAIK the cash shop there only lets you buy mounts and pets, though at least one of the pets there is tradeable for gold between players, so YMMV.

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  InFaVilla

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3/23/12 10:58:10 AM#7
Originally posted by Voiidiin

GOOD GOD !

How many uninformed people are there signed up to MMORPG.com ?

PAY 2 WIN is not in GW2 nor is it in most games that have cash shops. Most developers know the dangerous road that adding P2W items can do to there paying customers.

Seriously, MMORPG.com needs to start requiring a basic knowledge test from new signups, something that screens out all the uninformed unintelligent spam posts we get hourly.

The second you allow people to trade their real money for ingame money, the "Get wealthiest" contest is already won by using real money.

Depending on what you can use the ingame money for, other "contests" may be won as well. Such as "most advanced crafter", "most exclusive wardrobe", etc. 

  atticusbc

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I hated hipsters before hating hipsters was cool.

3/23/12 10:58:23 AM#8
Originally posted by QSatu
Originally posted by atticusbc

okay well since GW2 is your definition of p2w.... none of them.

I think OP should find a better hobby.

+1. that or look into his standards.

  Skarecrow7

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3/23/12 10:59:01 AM#9

1: Really.. the ten thousand wine and cheese threads in the GW2 forums about the big bad cash shop aint enough?

 

2: p2w = item that artifcialy boost stats, damage, and/or defense. Or items that are the best of the best and only able to buy them with real time money.  If someone else has an item to get rid of say rez sickness because he spent $5 and I have to wait 5 minutes. Hey, no big deal. I will go grab the weights and work out (ok, will probably get ice cream). If they level twice as fast as me, well, my e-peen is secure enough to handle that.

  gainesvilleg

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OP  3/23/12 11:00:48 AM#10
Originally posted by L0C0Man

Depends on your definition of P2W, but I guess if you're including GW2 you mean getting any advantage in the game by paying would mean P2W... so, it does look bleak from your point of view.

Both Tera and The Secret World will have cash shops, no idea what will be on them, but I'll bet that they'll have at least bonus XP for sale, so from your point of view they'll be P2W as well.

Archeage might be what you're looking for, haven't heard of a cash shop on it, but since they don't even have an US publisher yet there's very little info on wether it'll have one or not.

There's also Myst of Pandaria, AFAIK the cash shop there only lets you buy mounts and pets, though at least one of the pets there is tradeable for gold between players, so YMMV.

Thanks for the info.  Archeage looks te be getting more and more interesting to me now.  Both regarding open world PVP and at least for now, no p2w cash shop.

GW2 "built from the ground up with microtransactions in mind"
1) Cash->Gems->Gold->Influence->WvWvWBoosts = PAY2WIN
2) Mystic Chests = Crass in-game cash shop advertisements

  InFaVilla

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3/23/12 11:02:20 AM#11
Originally posted by Skarecrow7

1: Really.. the ten thousand wine and cheese threads in the GW2 forums about the big bad cash shop aint enough?

 

2: p2w = item that artifcialy boost stats, damage, and/or defense. Or items that are the best of the best and only able to buy them with real time money.  If someone else has an item to get rid of say rez sickness because he spent $5 and I have to wait 5 minutes. Hey, no big deal. I will go grab the weights and work out (ok, will probably get ice cream). If they level twice as fast as me, well, my e-peen is secure enough to handle that.

How about five times as faster leveling and four times as fast karma acquisition? Where do you draw the line and why?

  Voiidiin

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3/23/12 11:03:00 AM#12
Originally posted by InFaVilla
Originally posted by Voiidiin

GOOD GOD !

How many uninformed people are there signed up to MMORPG.com ?

PAY 2 WIN is not in GW2 nor is it in most games that have cash shops. Most developers know the dangerous road that adding P2W items can do to there paying customers.

Seriously, MMORPG.com needs to start requiring a basic knowledge test from new signups, something that screens out all the uninformed unintelligent spam posts we get hourly.

The second you allow people to trade their real money for ingame money, the "Get wealthiest" contest is already won by using real money.

Depending on what you can use the ingame money for, other "contests" may be won as well. Such as "most advanced crafter", "most exclusive wardrobe", etc. 

OH REALLY ?

Cause that happend in EvE right ?

No in fact it didnt even come close.

Back to my post about uninformed people posting NONSENSE.

Lolipops !

  VikingGamer

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3/23/12 11:03:28 AM#13

Pay2win = Cashshop that I don't like or understand.

All die, so die well.
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  RefMinor

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3/23/12 11:05:10 AM#14
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I agree, see you after if you are successful sitting the entry test.

  Voiidiin

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Soylent green is made from PEOPLE

3/23/12 11:09:01 AM#15
Originally posted by InFaVilla
Originally posted by Skarecrow7

1: Really.. the ten thousand wine and cheese threads in the GW2 forums about the big bad cash shop aint enough?

 

2: p2w = item that artifcialy boost stats, damage, and/or defense. Or items that are the best of the best and only able to buy them with real time money.  If someone else has an item to get rid of say rez sickness because he spent $5 and I have to wait 5 minutes. Hey, no big deal. I will go grab the weights and work out (ok, will probably get ice cream). If they level twice as fast as me, well, my e-peen is secure enough to handle that.

How about five times as faster leveling and four times as fast karma acquisition? Where do you draw the line and why?

To what end?

GW2 leveling is pointless... all PvP is done at the same level, the only differences is SMALL stat increases from armor (please read the word SMALL) and more skills to choose from. 

Seriously are you so worried someone who started at the same time as you did might outlevel you because they paid for some stupid item ? 

From that line of thinking you should implement time limitations on how long a player can play the game. Cause if its unfair to buy something to level you quicker its unfar for those who cant play 10 hours a day to see someone else play for 14 hours a day.

Not even bringing into account that the leveling PLATEAU's mening instead of leveling always gets progressivley harder, it stays constant after level 20, meaning the time it takes to level from 20-21 is the same amount of time it takes to level from 79-80.

Please, take some time and read about the game you are criticising.

Lolipops !

  Distopia

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3/23/12 11:09:36 AM#16

It's pretty sad to think that the only companies really offering no cash shop today are EA and SOE (TOR and Vanguard).

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  Kakkzooka

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3/23/12 11:09:38 AM#17

I like a dash of disgruntledness with my misinformation from bitter SWTOR players.

Why don't you try WoW? It has a microtransaction cash shop that isn't Play 2 Win. It's a more rudimentary version of Guild Wars 2's proposed cash shop.

Maybe if SWTOR is still around to play by this December, EA will incorporate a Cash Shop. Who knows?

Re: SWTOR

"Remember, remember - Kakk says 'December.'"

  Distopia

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3/23/12 11:12:50 AM#18
Originally posted by Kakkzooka

I like a dash of disgruntledness with my misinformation from bitter SWTOR players.

Why don't you try WoW? It has a microtransaction cash shop that isn't Play 2 Win. It's a more rudimentary version of Guild Wars 2's proposed cash shop.

Maybe if SWTOR is still around to play by this December, EA will incorporate a Cash Shop. Who knows?

I find this much more amusing actually.

For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson

It is a sign of a defeated man, to attack at ones character in the face of logic and reason- Me

  L0C0Man

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3/23/12 11:19:49 AM#19
Originally posted by VikingGamer

Pay2win = Cashshop that I don't like or understand.

From what I've seen so far there seems to be 2 definitions of P2W that people use.

There's the one that the op uses, that any advantage you could gain by paying means the game is P2W. If that's your definition of P2W, then indeed the GW2 shop (and almost every other cash shop including the GW1 and WoW ones) are indeed P2W.

There's another one (this is the one I prefer to use) that only considers a game as P2W if there comes a point where you absolutely cannot progress any further without spending cash. Most F2P games use this model, either by locking dungeon, areas or raids unless you pay (AoC, DDO, LotrO), or limiting on the gear/abilities you can use by not paying (Everquest 2, RoM). In this case GW2 isn't considered P2W because nothing is blocked and there's nothing you can achieve by buying that can't be achieved (maybe not as fast) without spending anything extra, same with WoW, GW1, and hopefully will be the case with games that will use sub+cash shop like TSW and Tera.

So, which one is more valid?... I'd say both and neither one. It's up to each person to decide how much they're willing to accept. After all, these are games we play, not jobs. We play for fun, and there's no point in playing if there's something in a game that doesn't let us have fun, and for some people, knowing that other people can pay to get any advantage is just not acceptable, so there's really no point in playing a game where it can happen.

It's up to the individual to decide which game is better for himself, and everyone's right to debate the pros and cons of each method, but what I see as really damaging to the community as a whole is the attitude of "my definition is the correct one and whoever doesn't accept it is an idiot and a blinded fanboy/raging troll".

What can men do against such reckless hate?

  Sythion

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3/23/12 11:20:14 AM#20

Buying time != buying power.

Wake up.

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