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3/23/12 3:33:09 AM#81
EvE was a good game in the beginning. I played it for 7 years and watched it go from pretty damn addictive to just complete rusbbish. Maybe they cleaned it up some since I left last year but it failed pretty hard in 2011.
The main issues with it were:
* inability to progress without joining the botter alliances * developers too cozy with the alliances / actively playing characters inside these alliances * pay to win (plex -> isk) * requirement to box * terrible lag in battles * moon goo imbalances * extreme difficulty of soloing * isk farmers / botters / macroers * RMT'rs * poor support * too many bugs / imbalances (hyrbrids are a great example) ignored for years in favor of new crap content
I could go on forever, terrible terrible developers, aweful game now. I'd give it a 4 out of 10 whereas before it was a 9/10 (2003-2005)
I was Infinity Ziona in EvE in case someone wants to accuse me of having never played it.
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3/23/12 5:05:19 AM#82
Fully agree. The endless hype then followed by the halfhearted delivery of features and lack of iteration as new shiny features are promised only to again not be delivered, as well as the repeated shady dealings by developers ruins it. It is not a sandbox if the developers are playing favorites. You are not free to be anything you want if you might find yourself an enemy one day with a developer. It is obvious this review is either written by a paid propaganda shill for CCP or a kool-aid drinking fanboy. Credibility 0/10 |
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3/23/12 5:57:45 AM#83
Last I checked UO is still going and its a good bit older, Other then that I played EVE in 07 for a few months but felt it too slow for me then. I went back a month ago and am enjoying it more now, |
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3/23/12 6:00:08 AM#84
Originally posted by Ikonoclastia
![]() WHO - Online 08-10 WoW - Online since launch. LOTR-O - Online 06-08 EVE - Online 07-Now DAoC - Online 01-Now Also played : AC, EQ, EQ2, DDO, Cabal, D&L, GW, LA2, Ryzom Shaiya, SWG, Allods Waiting : DAoC2 |
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Phaserlight
Hard Core Member
Joined: 7/18/04
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3/23/12 6:01:41 AM#85
Originally posted by Venomzer0 I will try to be brief, but I have to agree with the above suggestion. I feel like I have just as much enthusiasm for the above mentioned game as many hardened Eve vets whose posts I read around this site. I was an alpha tester, beta tester, and have had an active subscription since it was possible to subscribe. I can't help but feel a little frustrated when I perceive that it gets buried beneath all the attention given Eve, when I feel it does so many things right that Eve gets wrong. Just another one of life's reminders I am not the king of the universe.
Someone made the point that the longer you play a game, the more you will have to say about that game in a review. Well, I have been playing Vendetta Online for 8 years and 9 months, and it continues to be the only game I keep coming back to, so I have a lot to say about it. If you take away nothing else from my post, Vendetta has an excellent physics model. Being able to exert direct control over your spacecraft in fluid semi-Newtonian physics is a dream like experience when it comes to fighting other players one on one, in large scale battles, or engaging the environment.
To be fair, people could probably say the same thing about Eve, however I have always disagreed with having the ficticious skills of a character become more important than the skills of a player. If I could point to one thing that separates Vendetta from Eve more than anything else, it's "no dice rolling". A newbie in Vendetta could easily overcome a veteran if they were of a given piloting aptitude. Player skill is all that really matters.
There is also the fact that Vendetta is a great concept I feel has received a mere fraction of the attention it deserves. It is made by a team of three devs (one has gone on to work for Google), and lacks funding. Fortunately, the devs have been very creative about marketing their game in what ways they can. VO is sleek in terms of disk space: the entire game is less than 250 megabytes (!) presently. As such it has made the jump to mobile devices as the first true port of a PC MMORPG to Android (the only one of its kind, as far as I know). This is the type of creativity that has allowed Guild Software to stay afloat longer than companies ten times their size.
So, yes, as a member of mmorpg.com since 2004, it is somewhat disheartening to see a game stroked that clearly does not need to be ("the definitive definition of an MMORPG"? come on) while the reason for me being a member of this site continues to fly largely beneath the radar. I feel like I'm part of a minority ethnic group in the 60's. "To be what you are not, experience what you are not." -Saint John of the Cross |
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3/23/12 6:04:06 AM#86
Umm there is a link usually flashing on the homepage of MMORPG.com. You can click on their website and also find it to d/l in seconds. Inside the game the E-Uni channel has a loarge helpful community that answers questions and even some will provide support on missions not even knowing you. I think you just want to whine. |
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3/23/12 6:58:06 AM#87
Originally posted by Eluwien How are you going to say those "using the approach and orbit at range are doing it wrong" when it is what the tutorial TEACHES!?! |
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3/23/12 7:40:04 AM#88
Originally posted by elocke
Do you live your life by the rules you learned at 1st day at school? Do you play every games through with the pistol / dagger you get at the beginning? Do you always defend your argument with "beginners manual told me to do so", even when experienced peers clearly show a better way?
You should do as the tutorial tells you at the beginning. As new EVE pilot you have gazillion other new things to wonder and ponder, and it gets you through your first weeks until you are in a cruiser, or battlecruiser. As said, you can train to full T2 tank and weapons and fly a battlecruiser to cruiser level encounter. You can be part of the mass that says lvl4 missions can only be done by Battleships.
But you're making the content boring and unrewarding, on purpose, on your own, for your self.
![]() WHO - Online 08-10 WoW - Online since launch. LOTR-O - Online 06-08 EVE - Online 07-Now DAoC - Online 01-Now Also played : AC, EQ, EQ2, DDO, Cabal, D&L, GW, LA2, Ryzom Shaiya, SWG, Allods Waiting : DAoC2 |
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3/23/12 7:40:09 AM#89
Love reading about it.Hate playing it. Looks great and all that but its very VERY unfriendly to new folk. All fur coat and no knickers. If you get past the excitement of slowly moving and then mining for ore (steady!) then you find yourself numbed silly by the fact you have to sit and wait...and wait...and wait.
People starting now cannot catch the long time players. Cant go raiding etc and catch up and learn.You just need to wait..and wait. The way it comes across is you need to mine and wait until you have enough to vernture deeper and do something slightly exciting and then you probably get ganked by a giggling idiot who thought it was fun to gank you. Oh and drop the RPG bit eh? When was last time you roleplayed a spaceship?
Worst review i've ever read on here tbh and dont believe it was a paid review. |
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3/23/12 7:59:29 AM#90
Originally posted by Eluwien Last I checked, I still do math the same way I learned it when I was in grade school. Same with reading and writing. So...your analogy doesn't add up. Secondly, sure there may be alternative ways to play the game that you have learned after playing it for so long, which makes you a veteran. But don't say new players make the game boring on purpose just because they don't play the way you do. If the game was able to hit my sweet spots in the beginning in order to KEEP me then you would have an argument. You don't however. As you still seem to have glossed over what we said is the problem. Myself and others in this thread. It's the implementation of how one does things in Eve that is a gamebreaker for us. On paper everything looks and sound fantastic. In action, it's tedious, overly complicated and just not worth the effort it takes to get to veteran status. At least for a good portion of gamers like myself out here. By the by, I'm not opposed to challenging games. My first MMO love and still has a spot in my heart is FFXI. Most unforgiving PVE game I've ever played and with it's own tedium and annoyances that I was able to overlook, but I realized it wasn't for everyone and didn't get all mad when people said so. Just thought I would mention that so no one could say I'm part of the gimme generation who wants everything handed to them on a silver platter. |
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3/23/12 8:02:15 AM#91
Wherever you go, there you are. |
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3/23/12 8:14:22 AM#92
Originally posted by Elsabolts That will never happen Chief, I am convinced of that. CCP doesn't "believe" in PvE only and MMORPG being used in the same sentence. ( I played for years and so I do in fact have enough experience with CCP and EvE to make this statement. ) EvE is what it is. |
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3/23/12 8:42:37 AM#93
Originally posted by Ikonoclastia Greetings. I remember you. I won't say who I was.... for I failed at EvE, let's just say I made Daniel Jackson look good. I agree with many of the issues that you pointed out, some of those have been issues for quite a few years now. I left because I could not compete in my chosen profession... I was a Miner, one of the olds ones.... I was Mining before Exodus and long after that. I thought the Barges were a god send... now I see them as a curse. I Mined the roids and hauled ore and loved it. I mined for hours, days, weeks.... for my Corp Mates so they could get their ships built, or replace their ships, while I volunteered to have my order for my ships put to the bottom of the list so others could benefit, and therefore the corp could benefit. I never could handle PvP, in EvE I panicked in PvP even though in DAoC I was always in the Frontiers... that is the difference between FFA PvP and RvR "safe" PvP. However, since I would not use Bots, and I refused to run 2 or more accounts constantly, I was told I was un-needed. My Corp said they could only use me if I was willing to PvP 100%. There really is nothing worse that Players can say to another Player in a MMO like EvE as far as I am concerned. From my point of view I believe CCP is perfectly willing to turn a blind eye to mining bots because then more real players ingame are PvPers.... more pew pew. CCP loves multiboxing because it means more money in subs. It's their game, their choice. I don't agree with CCP's decision to make ISK trading "legal" with PLEX, I would rather they had made it all a bannable offense and actually enforced it, however this part did not affect me much. I managed to ignore that it was going on ingame most of the time.... but as time went on it became very apparent tht even casual players where buying advantage and in EvE it really does matter what the other Players do. I knew my time in EvE was over.
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3/23/12 8:49:33 AM#94
Originally posted by Ikonoclastia
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3/23/12 2:05:52 PM#95
I like Eve. After a while you get bored of PvE. I think I will like DUST possibly even more.
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3/24/12 12:12:56 AM#96
The thing about EvE that I like the most is the risk reward factor of it. In other MMOs, when you die you respawn somewhere, your gear might be damaged or some small temporary affect to discourage dying. In EvE, dying is a huge deal, you have to buy a new ship, new implants, and you lose your cargo. You can scam and anything that isn't breaking the game. I don't really like to scam myself and I'm not a HUGE pvper, but even being a "carebear" is a lot of fun. You always have to watch your back and it is such a rush when you are about to get blown up and it is do or die. Have played: APB, Global Agenda, Rift, Warhammer, APB reloaded. |
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3/24/12 5:46:14 AM#97
Originally posted by Kuro1n
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3/24/12 1:36:32 PM#98
Originally posted by Ikonoclastia
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3/30/12 6:33:24 AM#99
Playing for more than one year EvE still beautifull great and immersive game. Thank you CCP and Waiting WORLD OF DARKNESS to remember days of the Beautifull Vampires The Masquerade. Great Job Hilmar and CCP team |
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3/31/12 4:15:21 PM#100
It's not a game, its a virtual world. When u approach it like this, the review is spot on. |
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