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General Discussion  » Mike O'Brien (ArenaNet founder) on microtransactions

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  Guely

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3/20/12 11:18:57 PM#541
Originally posted by arctarus
It will not totally get rid of gold sellers.

example, a gem cost $10 to buy, and selling at AH earns you 1k gold, but if the gold sellers sells you 2k gold for $10, naturally players will buy from rmt instead of gems anymore.

Tera claims to sell chronoscoll to battle rmt, in the end they still region block the entire Asia. Can see from this that they know chronoscoll won't work.

True, but I think most would rather just go the simple and safe route and buy from within the game.

  xmenty

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3/20/12 11:25:44 PM#542

If I am a gold sellers. I would farm gold and buy all the gems in AH and resell it for RL cash cheaper than Anet.

 

Pardon my English as it is not my 1st language :)

  emperorwings

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3/20/12 11:27:45 PM#543

Make gems untradeable and only usable in the item mall. Make all item mall stuff untradeable. Solve all problems.

This isn't a signature, you just think it is.

  iller

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3/20/12 11:30:37 PM#544
Originally posted by evicton

Because it will be cheaper, just like there are still companies that sell isk even though you can buy it via flex. 


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damages

...only IP Ranges within areas of legal prosecution will be allowed to trade across international borders.

Prior to this, Anet had no means of demonstrating Monetary harm was suffered via RMT.  Now that RMT'ers will be competing directly with Anet's Shop, Anet has a case and can prosecute all Moderate and Major offenders.

  InFaVilla

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3/21/12 12:05:03 AM#545

The sky is falling :).

 

How big of a problem this will become, depends on what gold in practice can buy. If gold is worthless, then I see no problem with allowing people to trade their gems for other people's gold, since it won't matter at all for anything. However, if gold is worthless, that means that there is no flourishing in-game economy, which is a shame.

 

Allowing gems to be traded for gold, does indeed hurt Arenanet's argumentation for b2p over p2p. 

 

Edit: I would rather p2p without a "gem for gold" system, than b2p with a such system.

  Kyuz0o

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3/21/12 12:24:19 AM#546

Gems for RL money, for gold is the first thing that actually worries me... It´s not a problem that you buy cosmetic stuff in the Store with the gems, but that you can buy them with RL money and trade them against gold in game really sucks if you ask me.

Thing that might make it work out is that depending how much is bought in the game store might not be as much as people buy gems to sell for gold, which could make gems in game real cheap because hardly anyone really wants them.

I don`t know but I don`t like the thought even though it worked out for Eve with the Plex system. I have never played Eve so I have no idea how it is there.

Still worried, kinda makes me sad.

  arctarus

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3/21/12 12:33:00 AM#547
Originally posted by Guely
Originally posted by arctarus
It will not totally get rid of gold sellers.

example, a gem cost $10 to buy, and selling at AH earns you 1k gold, but if the gold sellers sells you 2k gold for $10, naturally players will buy from rmt instead of gems anymore.

Tera claims to sell chronoscoll to battle rmt, in the end they still region block the entire Asia. Can see from this that they know chronoscoll won't work.

True, but I think most would rather just go the simple and safe route and buy from within the game.

 

It depends, if the difference is 100% of gold like I mention, than players will be willing to risk.it. and Iirc u can use PayPal.

RIP Orc Choppa

  arctarus

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3/21/12 12:36:24 AM#548
Originally posted by xmenty

If I am a gold sellers. I would farm gold and buy all the gems in AH and resell it for RL cash cheaper than Anet.

 

 

It still have to depend on the economic whether isit worth it. Ultimately I still believe rmt will still be ingame. Especially if this game becomes very popular. In fact I believe nothing can stop rmt unless your game is totally fail or you don't have an economic.

RIP Orc Choppa

  jpnz

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Joined: 6/29/06
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3/21/12 1:03:34 AM#549

Not exactly unexpected as I'm sure ANet's business guys did the numbers (most likely NCSOFT) but this will hurt the GW2 community.

Gdemami -
Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.

  Betakodo

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3/21/12 1:28:17 AM#550

It's OK if you buy currency from Anet, but if you buy it from RMT you get banned! Pretty stupuid, anyone remember 15k sets from GW1? Now they're $10 sets. Just buy gems, trade for gold and you have prestiege armors wooooo. Good bye achievement, hello kids walking around with a false sense of accomplishment. The new Anet is Greednet, bring back the GW1's Anet.

He even tells us a half lie about microtransactions. Anyone buy microtransactions before the 4th anniversary update? Probably not, because the only thing they had in the shops were extra storage slots and character slots. Both of which you didn't neeed because they gave you soo much inventory and bank space. And you only were 2 slots below all the classes in the game. They added real microtransactions when the game died and barely anyone was playing it. It's like adding cash shop the day before the game died and saying the game had cash shop all along.

  Kyuz0o

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Joined: 2/23/12
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3/21/12 2:15:55 AM#551

If Anet just made the items in the cash shop untradable and the gems untradable, but the stuff in the cash shop also buyable via ingame gold, at lest certain items, it would be just like in LOL where you could purchase riot points for your skins etc, or you could just spend ingame currency for everything else, or choose to spend RL money.

  Shoju

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Posts: 774

3/21/12 3:14:51 AM#552
Originally posted by Creslin321
and you would NOT be able to buy power.

I still haven't seen anything (beyond wild speculation) that is representative of 'power' that can be bought.

 

  Malevil

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3/21/12 3:25:43 AM#553
Originally posted by Betakodo

It's OK if you buy currency from Anet, but if you buy it from RMT you get banned! Pretty stupuid, anyone remember 15k sets from GW1? Now they're $10 sets. Just buy gems, trade for gold and you have prestiege armors wooooo. Good bye achievement, hello kids walking around with a false sense of accomplishment. The new Anet is Greednet, bring back the GW1's Anet.

He even tells us a half lie about microtransactions. Anyone buy microtransactions before the 4th anniversary update? Probably not, because the only thing they had in the shops were extra storage slots and character slots. Both of which you didn't neeed because they gave you soo much inventory and bank space. And you only were 2 slots below all the classes in the game. They added real microtransactions when the game died and barely anyone was playing it. It's like adding cash shop the day before the game died and saying the game had cash shop all along.

You will not be able to buy prestige armor for gems - Dungeon tokens are not tradable : http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Token

And i dare to say that prestige armor will be 'more prestige' than in gw1 - in gw1 you can just buy all the material, you dont have to farm ectos in UW (and getting to crafter is stupidly easy)...

  Banquetto

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3/21/12 3:28:52 AM#554


Originally posted by arctarus
It will not totally get rid of gold sellers. example, a gem cost $10 to buy, and selling at AH earns you 1k gold, but if the gold sellers sells you 2k gold for $10, naturally players will buy from rmt instead of gems anymore.

Well, you can look at Eve for an example. The difference certainly isn't anything like black market gold being half the price of legit.


e.g. eve-markets.net shows a $15 Plex currently selling for 480-490M ISK. The first goldseller I found on google (obviously not going to give them free advertising by naming them) is charging roughly $12.20 for that much ISK.


I think most players would rather spend $15 than spend $12.20 and risk the banhammer to get a less than 20% discount.

  ariboersma

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3/21/12 3:32:10 AM#555
Originally posted by Banquetto

 


Originally posted by arctarus
It will not totally get rid of gold sellers. example, a gem cost $10 to buy, and selling at AH earns you 1k gold, but if the gold sellers sells you 2k gold for $10, naturally players will buy from rmt instead of gems anymore.


Well, you can look at Eve for an example. The difference certainly isn't anything like black market gold being half the price of legit.

 


e.g. eve-markets.net shows a $15 Plex currently selling for 480-490M ISK. The first goldseller I found on google (obviously not going to give them free advertising by naming them) is charging roughly $12.20 for that much ISK.


I think most players would rather spend $15 than spend $12.20 and risk the banhammer to get a less than 20% discount.

not to mention the risk involved when dealing with such sites.

  Banquetto

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3/21/12 3:37:06 AM#556


Originally posted by Betakodo
It's OK if you buy currency from Anet, but if you buy it from RMT you get banned! Pretty stupuid, anyone remember 15k sets from GW1? Now they're $10 sets. Just buy gems, trade for gold and you have prestiege armors wooooo. Good bye achievement, hello kids walking around with a false sense of accomplishment.

As has already been stated in this thread, prestige armours in GW2 will be obtained by earning and exchanging (untradeable) tokens, NOT by buying large quantities of basic crafting mats as they were in GW1. So, no, there will not be any kids walking around with a false sense of accomplishment.

  ipeka

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Joined: 11/04/11
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3/21/12 3:55:58 AM#557

This is bascially what i understand after reading the blog

- There's another form currency for real money transaction called Gem

-u can trade Gem for gold , and gold to gem . WITH ANOTHER PLAYER. Not sure whether There will be any npc converting-gem.

-Gem can buy pretty stuffs for ur character, nothing else.

  Kyuz0o

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Joined: 2/23/12
Posts: 82

3/21/12 4:26:46 AM#558
Originally posted by ipeka

This is bascially what i understand after reading the blog

- There's another form currency for real money transaction called Gem

-u can trade Gem for gold , and gold to gem . WITH ANOTHER PLAYER. Not sure whether There will be any npc converting-gem.

-Gem can buy pretty stuffs for ur character, nothing else.

Leaves the question open what you can buy with the gold you get by selling gems you bought with RL currency and sold for gold in game.

  k-damage

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3/21/12 5:11:28 AM#559
Originally posted by kadepsyson
Originally posted by Alot
Originally posted by kadepsyson

All in game items are now available for purchase with real life money and it's legal.

Game over.

No, not to that extent.

Fine, any in game item available for gold purchase, is now available by spending real money.

That's precisely the keyword. There would be a problem if you could buy awesome items just with gold, but it's not the case, you'll buy the awesomeness with karma.

It's exactly the same for non MT MMOs, like WoW : if WoW offered the best stuff only for gold, it would be full power to the heavy farmers (instead of rich people for MT). It would be the same issue, but we've seen how it's not, as devs are conscious about that.

The problem doesn't reside in how you can buy things, but what you can buy with which currency.

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  synn

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3/21/12 5:21:37 AM#560
Originally posted by Kuppa

 

"Here’s our philosophy on microtransactions: We think players should have the opportunity to spend money on items that provide visual distinction and offer more ways to express themselves. They should also be able to spend money on account services and on time-saving convenience items. But it’s never OK for players to buy a game and not be able to enjoy what they paid for without additional purchases, and it’s never OK for players who spend money to have an unfair advantage over players who don’t."

what exactly is a time saving convenience item??? i can't say i've been looking foward to this game because to be honest there was way too much hype following it and high expectations can kill a game.

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