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  VowOfSilence

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3/20/12 7:08:32 PM#481
Originally posted by Ezhae

The prepurchase chalice gives You Glory points, which are nothing but "expierience" points for doing structured PvP matches that let You unlock cosmetic variations of PvP gear. Hardly game breaking. You might get different looking boots 4 days sooner than a guy who didn't use it. IMBA! :P

I'm talking about the influence item, not the glory item.

Anet sold that along with the other items for 15$ extra, which clearly shows that they aren't opposed to the idea of selling advantages, even though they say otherwise. Or maybe NCsoft is forcing them to, because they realized that GW2 fans will just tag along with whatever Anet says? Who knows? Being a comminuty of irresponsible consumers is just asking NCsoft to take advantage of the situation.

Hype train -> Reality

  Durray

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3/20/12 7:10:09 PM#482

Thought I would hate the idea.

But I honestly think its an ok microtransactions plan.

  User Deleted
3/20/12 7:11:01 PM#483
Originally posted by VowOfSilence
Originally posted by Ezhae

The prepurchase chalice gives You Glory points, which are nothing but "expierience" points for doing structured PvP matches that let You unlock cosmetic variations of PvP gear. Hardly game breaking. You might get different looking boots 4 days sooner than a guy who didn't use it. IMBA! :P

I'm talking about the influence item, not the glory item.

Anet sold that along with the other items for 15$ extra, which clearly shows that they aren't opposed to the idea of selling advantages, even though they say otherwise. Or maybe NCsoft is forcing them to, because they realized that GW2 fans will just tag along with whatever Anet says? Who knows? Being a comminuty of irresponsible consumers is just asking NCsoft to take advantage of the situation.

Am I missing something? When did Anet sell influence items in GW? Or where has it been stated they will sell them in GW2?

  ElderRat

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3/20/12 7:12:22 PM#484
Originally posted by drumchannell

So you can purchase gems with money, that can be traded for gold in game. If I'm reading this correctly, this gives advantage to players who spend real money as opposed to those who don't.

you can buy large quanties of gems and trade them for gold with wich you can buy the in game items - in my mind that is an unfair advantage.  I took advantage of it in EVE when I had some money to buy plex - bougth 2 plex for $35 from EVE and them sold them  in EVE for 700 million isk .  At the time I did that I only had earned $20 million isk.  Suddenly I was able to afford a top of the line Exhumer and outfit it.  Just saying - those with money will be able to buy more things.

 

Currently bored with MMO's.

  silvermember

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3/20/12 7:13:12 PM#485

common misconception you cannot sell gems on the marketplace aka you can't put them on broker. You can only trade them with another player.

a lot of ppl have been talking about influence potion like it fact, unfortunately its from s video that a lot of the ppl biching about haven't watched. It shows you can use guild influence to get karma, it not a potion from cash shop, its using guild influence to get karma bonus 5%.

  austriacus

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3/20/12 7:13:45 PM#486
Originally posted by VowOfSilence
Originally posted by Ezhae

The prepurchase chalice gives You Glory points, which are nothing but "expierience" points for doing structured PvP matches that let You unlock cosmetic variations of PvP gear. Hardly game breaking. You might get different looking boots 4 days sooner than a guy who didn't use it. IMBA! :P

I'm talking about the influence item, not the glory item.

Anet sold that along with the other items for 15$ extra, which clearly shows that they aren't opposed to the idea of selling advantages, even though they say otherwise. Or maybe NCsoft is forcing them to, because they realized that GW2 fans will just tag along with whatever Anet says? Who knows? Being a comminuty of irresponsible consumers is just asking NCsoft to take advantage of the situation.

you do know that upgrades for stuff range from 200-2000 influence, that upgrades can take anywhere from 1 day to 3 days to complete and that there is a que and you cant just complete them all at the same time right?

oh and the fact that for only 10 gold you can buy 1k influence.

  Madimorga

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3/20/12 7:14:03 PM#487
Originally posted by fiontar
...

Remember that Gems don't create new Gold in the economy. There is no vendor that pays you Gold for a Gem. If you sel a Gem, it's to other players via the Marketplace and that gold already exists in the economy.

True in theory.  In practice people who would otherwise not have spent extra time farming extra gold will do so in hopes of buying cash shop items with gold instead of with real money.  Thus creating a system with more gold in circulation than would otherwise have existed.

 

If the devs correct for this by making farming the gold more time consuming it will simply annoy people who had no intention of buying cash shop items for gold but were planning on spending their gold on in game items, since they, too, will have to farm longer to get the gold they need.  This of coruse assumes there is gold or items that can be sold for gold to farm for, but if there are not, then there is no use for diamonds, or for a player economy, for that matter.

I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.

~Albert Einstein

  User Deleted
3/20/12 7:16:50 PM#488
Originally posted by silvermember

common misconception you cannot sell gems on the marketplace aka you can't put them on broker. You can only trade them with another player.

a lot of ppl have been talking about influence potion like it fact, unfortunately its from s video that a lot of the ppl biching about haven't watched. It shows you can use guild influence to get karma, it not a potion from cash shop, its using guild influence to get karma bonus 5%.

Ah! No I haven't seen the video but it's not the first time I've heard this "claim". I don't know how people are taking that information and turning it into $15 potions on the cash shop. 

  terrant

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3/20/12 7:17:50 PM#489
Originally posted by MwynForever
Originally posted by VowOfSilence
Originally posted by Ezhae

The prepurchase chalice gives You Glory points, which are nothing but "expierience" points for doing structured PvP matches that let You unlock cosmetic variations of PvP gear. Hardly game breaking. You might get different looking boots 4 days sooner than a guy who didn't use it. IMBA! :P

I'm talking about the influence item, not the glory item.

Anet sold that along with the other items for 15$ extra, which clearly shows that they aren't opposed to the idea of selling advantages, even though they say otherwise. Or maybe NCsoft is forcing them to, because they realized that GW2 fans will just tag along with whatever Anet says? Who knows? Being a comminuty of irresponsible consumers is just asking NCsoft to take advantage of the situation.

Am I missing something? When did Anet sell influence items in GW? Or where has it been stated they will sell them in GW2?

His argument is because the Deluxe and Collector's Editions featue a couple of bonus items (whose actual usefulness, for the record, we don't have an gauge on), then Anet must obviously be cool with selling things that impact gameplay with RMT.

 

Never mind damn near every CE of an MMO for a while now has offered things like that, and the items rarely offered enough points to be worth anything. Never mind that the entire argument is flawed.

  Madimorga

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3/20/12 7:25:35 PM#490
Originally posted by Sketch420
[Mod Edit]

Nice one.  I left you a gift post.

I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.

~Albert Einstein

  silvermember

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3/20/12 7:26:10 PM#491
Originally posted by Madimorga
Originally posted by fiontar
...

Remember that Gems don't create new Gold in the economy. There is no vendor that pays you Gold for a Gem. If you sel a Gem, it's to other players via the Marketplace and that gold already exists in the economy.

True in theory.  In practice people who would otherwise not have spent extra time farming extra gold will do so in hopes of buying cash shop items with gold instead of with real money.  Thus creating a system with more gold in circulation than would otherwise have existed.

 

If the devs correct for this by making farming the gold more time consuming it will simply annoy people who had no intention of buying cash shop items for gold but were planning on spending their gold on in game items, since they, too, will have to farm longer to get the gold they need.  This of coruse assumes there is gold or items that can be sold for gold to farm for, but if there are not, then there is no use for diamonds, or for a player economy, for that matter.

ppl grind all the time to get what they want, unless you want them to turn off farming? How does your first paragraph make any logical sense to you?

all gems do is redistribute gold, it does not create gold, somebody had to have farm the gold. 

  Distopia

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3/20/12 7:27:35 PM#492
Originally posted by ElderRat
Originally posted by drumchannell

So you can purchase gems with money, that can be traded for gold in game. If I'm reading this correctly, this gives advantage to players who spend real money as opposed to those who don't.

you can buy large quanties of gems and trade them for gold with wich you can buy the in game items - in my mind that is an unfair advantage.  I took advantage of it in EVE when I had some money to buy plex - bougth 2 plex for $35 from EVE and them sold them  in EVE for 700 million isk .  At the time I did that I only had earned $20 million isk.  Suddenly I was able to afford a top of the line Exhumer and outfit it.  Just saying - those with money will be able to buy more things.

 

Such is the way of life.

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  Madimorga

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3/20/12 7:27:50 PM#493
Originally posted by silvermember
Originally posted by Madimorga
Originally posted by fiontar
...

Remember that Gems don't create new Gold in the economy. There is no vendor that pays you Gold for a Gem. If you sel a Gem, it's to other players via the Marketplace and that gold already exists in the economy.

True in theory.  In practice people who would otherwise not have spent extra time farming extra gold will do so in hopes of buying cash shop items with gold instead of with real money.  Thus creating a system with more gold in circulation than would otherwise have existed.

 

If the devs correct for this by making farming the gold more time consuming it will simply annoy people who had no intention of buying cash shop items for gold but were planning on spending their gold on in game items, since they, too, will have to farm longer to get the gold they need.  This of coruse assumes there is gold or items that can be sold for gold to farm for, but if there are not, then there is no use for diamonds, or for a player economy, for that matter.

ppl grind all the time to get what they want, unless you want them to turn off farming? How does your first paragraph make any logical sense to you?

all gems do is redistribute gold, it does not create gold, somebody had to have farm the gold. 

Well, I know that if this change goes through, I'll see it as a challenge to farm gold and let other players buy me everything rather than spend money in the cash shop, so I'll be contributing more gold to circulation than I otherwise would have.  I expect I'm not the only one with this attitude.  Meanwhile, gold buyers who might have done without rather than farm it themselves will continue to fund other players.  Because that's just how people are.  Net result:  More gold in circulation.

I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.

~Albert Einstein

  User Deleted
3/20/12 7:31:21 PM#494
Originally posted by Madimorga

Well, I know that if this change goes through, I'll see it as a challenge to farm gold and let other players buy me everything rather than spend money in the cash shop, so I'll be contributing more gold to circulation than I otherwise would have.  I expect I'm not the only one with this attitude.  Meanwhile, gold buyers who might have done without rather than farm it themselves will continue to fund other players.  Because that's just how people are.  Net result:  More gold in circulation.

Net result: I look terrific in my new outfit while farming gold so someone can buy me another.

  Madimorga

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3/20/12 7:34:07 PM#495
Originally posted by MwynForever
Originally posted by Madimorga

Well, I know that if this change goes through, I'll see it as a challenge to farm gold and let other players buy me everything rather than spend money in the cash shop, so I'll be contributing more gold to circulation than I otherwise would have.  I expect I'm not the only one with this attitude.  Meanwhile, gold buyers who might have done without rather than farm it themselves will continue to fund other players.  Because that's just how people are.  Net result:  More gold in circulation.

Net result: I look terrific in my new outfit while farming gold so someone can buy me another.

You don't understand looking truly rich.  What you need is a bunch of lackeys farming your gear and killing your enemies for you while you stand around looking all crisp and useless in your fine clothes.

I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.

~Albert Einstein

  iller

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3/20/12 7:34:56 PM#496
Originally posted by someforumguy

Oh, I need to buy this item from this npc/player. Sec, I have to turn on the moneyprinting press' *goes to cash shop*

And this is different from our real life economy HOW exactly?

In GW2 you're not taking the whole nation further into debt by doing it.  You're only causing inflation to in-game gold value, while Karma is mostly isolated from that.   If this was such a bad thing, our entire Generation would have revolted against the Federal Reserve by now and elected politicians who vowed to Abolish the Fed.

 

Worried about it?  Go ahead but until people actually do something about it, they're just hypocrites.

  User Deleted
3/20/12 7:37:38 PM#497
Originally posted by Madimorga
Originally posted by MwynForever
Originally posted by Madimorga

Well, I know that if this change goes through, I'll see it as a challenge to farm gold and let other players buy me everything rather than spend money in the cash shop, so I'll be contributing more gold to circulation than I otherwise would have.  I expect I'm not the only one with this attitude.  Meanwhile, gold buyers who might have done without rather than farm it themselves will continue to fund other players.  Because that's just how people are.  Net result:  More gold in circulation.

Net result: I look terrific in my new outfit while farming gold so someone can buy me another.

You don't understand looking truly rich.  What you need is a bunch of lackeys farming your gear and killing your enemies for you while you stand around looking all crisp and useless in your fine clothes.

Alas there are no heroes in GW2 :( I will miss my heros more then ANYTHING! Far more reliable then pugs and less mouthy

  Madimorga

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3/20/12 7:41:13 PM#498
Originally posted by MwynForever
Originally posted by Madimorga
Originally posted by MwynForever
Originally posted by Madimorga

Well, I know that if this change goes through, I'll see it as a challenge to farm gold and let other players buy me everything rather than spend money in the cash shop, so I'll be contributing more gold to circulation than I otherwise would have.  I expect I'm not the only one with this attitude.  Meanwhile, gold buyers who might have done without rather than farm it themselves will continue to fund other players.  Because that's just how people are.  Net result:  More gold in circulation.

Net result: I look terrific in my new outfit while farming gold so someone can buy me another.

You don't understand looking truly rich.  What you need is a bunch of lackeys farming your gear and killing your enemies for you while you stand around looking all crisp and useless in your fine clothes.

Alas there are no heroes in GW2 :( I will miss my heros more then ANYTHING! Far more reliable then pugs and less mouthy

Heh.  Kinda liked the heroes system too, but who knows, maybe you can pay your player lackeys to be silent?

I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.

~Albert Einstein

  User Deleted
3/20/12 7:45:21 PM#499
Originally posted by Madimorga
Originally posted by MwynForever
Originally posted by Madimorga
Originally posted by MwynForever
Originally posted by Madimorga

Well, I know that if this change goes through, I'll see it as a challenge to farm gold and let other players buy me everything rather than spend money in the cash shop, so I'll be contributing more gold to circulation than I otherwise would have.  I expect I'm not the only one with this attitude.  Meanwhile, gold buyers who might have done without rather than farm it themselves will continue to fund other players.  Because that's just how people are.  Net result:  More gold in circulation.

Net result: I look terrific in my new outfit while farming gold so someone can buy me another.

You don't understand looking truly rich.  What you need is a bunch of lackeys farming your gear and killing your enemies for you while you stand around looking all crisp and useless in your fine clothes.

Alas there are no heroes in GW2 :( I will miss my heros more then ANYTHING! Far more reliable then pugs and less mouthy

Heh.  Kinda liked the heroes system too, but who knows, maybe you can pay your player lackeys to be silent?

That's a thought, I wonder if silence can be bought with gems? At the very least they should be polite at all times!

  Yizle

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3/20/12 7:55:44 PM#500
Originally posted by austriacus
Originally posted by Madimorga

You know why D3 doesn't bother me and this does?  Because the way D3 is going to work, I think a bunch of first world wannabe gold farmers are going to drive prices on individual items so ridiculously low that it will be nearly impossible for gold farmers to make a profit.

 

But GW2 isn't going to be about individual items put up by players for real money.  It's about taking real money and turning it into currency to buy GW2 items with.  Same as it's always been for the gold farmers, they'll mostly sell gold completely outside the system (except maybe for a little diamond speculation on the side), and no doubt they'll also dabble in jacking up AH prices and creating scarcity of goods so supply drives demand.

 

 

The difference is that D3 is a gear grind, GW2 is not. Why do you keep asuming the game is WoW?

Because most of these whiners are either 1) too stupid to understand the game and the system or 2) just annoying trolls trying to start probs.

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