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  Castillle

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3/16/12 1:22:33 PM#61

Whoever posted that video of all the endings side by side needs an award. 

That was soooo...LoL- worthy.  I cant believe no one called that out while they were developing it! Or maybe EA shut them up...

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  Ceridith

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3/16/12 2:12:54 PM#62
Originally posted by Castillle

Whoever posted that video of all the endings side by side needs an award. 

That was soooo...LoL- worthy.  I cant believe no one called that out while they were developing it! Or maybe EA shut them up...

It's likely that the half assed "ending" is because it's a fake ending.

Of course, that's by no means an excuse for it... particularly if the real ending ends up being a DLC.

  Jenuviel

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3/16/12 2:23:52 PM#63
Originally posted by Ceridith
Originally posted by Castillle
*snip*

It's likely that the half assed "ending" is because it's a fake ending.

Of course, that's by no means an excuse for it... particularly if the real ending ends up being a DLC.

It's not a fake ending. That's already been debunked by Geoff Keighley's behind-the-scenes iPad app. It's a multi-media (photos, video, interviews) look at the making of the game's ending, and it's pretty clear that both Casey Hudson and Mac Walters were pleased with the way the shipped ending turned out. I definitely understand the desire to wish it was a fake ending, but the facts in evidence no longer support that theory.

(Note: Keighley isn't a BioWare employee, he's a video game journalist who paid for the production costs of the app himself).

  iceman00

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Kevin Tierney

3/16/12 5:14:06 PM#64
Originally posted by Jenuviel
Originally posted by Ceridith
Originally posted by Castillle
*snip*

It's likely that the half assed "ending" is because it's a fake ending.

Of course, that's by no means an excuse for it... particularly if the real ending ends up being a DLC.

It's not a fake ending. That's already been debunked by Geoff Keighley's behind-the-scenes iPad app. It's a multi-media (photos, video, interviews) look at the making of the game's ending, and it's pretty clear that both Casey Hudson and Mac Walters were pleased with the way the shipped ending turned out. I definitely understand the desire to wish it was a fake ending, but the facts in evidence no longer support that theory.

(Note: Keighley isn't a BioWare employee, he's a video game journalist who paid for the production costs of the app himself).

The people who made Fallout's ending were content, until they had to retcon it.

I'm sure they thought this was a great idea at the time.  But they've already done a lot of damage to their reputation.  Walking it back is the first step to restoring that image, if it ever can be restored.

  MMOman101

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3/16/12 5:20:27 PM#65

I don't know if I hate the ending, but the ending ensures I never pay for another Bioware game again. 

The ending was horrible.  There was no choice and nothing mattered.  The last 15 minutes I did not play the game I watched it.  If I wanted to have a passive entertainment experience I would watch a movie or a show.  Video games at there very nature are interactive.  The ending was not.

The end did not make any sense, as people have pointed out.

It made everything you did, all of the hours invested, a waste.  Who the hell wants to unite the univers just to destroy it?  How is that satisfing at all. 

On top of everything, if the ending is all a dram or what ever the hell people want to call it, that would be the worst of all possible things.  WTF would I want to purchase a game without an end??? WTF is the point of that???  I did not put 140+ hours into a trilogy to get a dream ending. 

I was honestly thinking about going back and playing all 3 games again when I was playing ME3.  Now I am planning on selling them to gamestop as quickly as possible. 

  Unshra

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3/16/12 5:30:35 PM#66

I think Jeremy's video sums it up best: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=4H_A7SeawU4#!

 


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  Solitaryknit

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3/16/12 5:43:37 PM#67
Originally posted by iceman00
Originally posted by JayBirdz

Closure with the ending. I decided to finish up the last few missions last night instead of waiting for something that may never come.  DLC explaining what just happened.


The indoctrination theory is sound.  Matter of fact I don't see how someone couldn't of picked up on it.  From about three or four missions out from the ending that was a HUGE subject. When you go to get the relic is where it's starts getting thrown in the players face over and over and over and over.   
 
So the question is when did Shepards indoctrination start? Right after that beam hit Shepard or after he went through the transport beam.  If he didn't even make it through the transport beam then how did the alliance fair in the fight?  It's safe to say at some point in the Mass Effect timeline the alliance won.  The scene with the old man and boy tells us this. 
 

 

Or does it????

There's no indication the Alliance "won" in the old man's words.  Just that, more or less, something like this happened.  It is obviously far removed from those events, as that society (strongly implied) cannot yet reach space.  It could simply have been a story of humanities last stand.

Here's what I wonder?  What if the protheans "destruction" was simply them being turned into the Collectors?  They became servants of the Reapers, and the "lesser species" were permitted to evolve without the Protheans holding them back.  If that is a race that cannot reach space yet with the old man, could it be simply that the cycle continued, with or without the reapers?

There were a lot of ways Bioware could've done something.  They were onto something.  But it just didn't happen.

Possible Spoilers.

I apologize before-hand. There are 10 pages and I didn't get through them all, but if you recall or romanced Liara ( I can't be sure it's either or) she created an object that retold your story.. and you had a few options. I chose to have her tell it true.. So keep in mind, that small addition may have led to why Shepard was revelled the way he was in the end with the old man and boy. A few scenarios play out in my mind. 1) The old man is joker.. and after crash landing on the planet its his son. (Makes more sense if you chose synthetic ending) or 2) That they've recovered Liaras 'relic' and uncovered all the information needed and then THEY beat the reapers.

 

Think about it, put the shepard arc aside. Had mankind had the information they had at the end... from the beginning I can only assume that the outcome would have been different. Just my opinion. 

  Solitaryknit

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3/16/12 5:58:00 PM#68

-- Oh and side note. If you don't know, or do and care. There are about 12 petitions currently circulating online. The top two petitions have 15k signatures.. Each.  Google them. Participate. 

  FntSize72LOL

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3/16/12 6:04:59 PM#69

I'm curious if there is anything special about the "gift" Liara gives you before the main push to the citadel beam. She does something weird with your mind, i wonder if this is something that can be lent towards the indoc/hallucination theory.

  Jenuviel

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3/16/12 6:10:08 PM#70

It's not a fake ending. That's already been debunked by Geoff Keighley's behind-the-scenes iPad app. It's a multi-media (photos, video, interviews) look at the making of the game's ending, and it's pretty clear that both Casey Hudson and Mac Walters were pleased with the way the shipped ending turned out. I definitely understand the desire to wish it was a fake ending, but the facts in evidence no longer support that theory.

(Note: Keighley isn't a BioWare employee, he's a video game journalist who paid for the production costs of the app himself).

The people who made Fallout's ending were content, until they had to retcon it.

I'm sure they thought this was a great idea at the time.  But they've already done a lot of damage to their reputation.  Walking it back is the first step to restoring that image, if it ever can be restored.

 

Oh, I'm with you on that. They've apparently done themselves a fair amount of damage, but they can repair some of it if they're willing to put in the resources. Even if that's the case, though, we're probably months away from seeing anything that would adequately calm the storm. If they try to just edit together something with what's already there, it's not really going to make anyone feel any better. As if that weren't tricky enough, they also have to worry about generating backlash from the people who actually like the ending as it stands. There's no statistically viable way to tell how many of those people there are, since few gamers actually post on forums, and the majority of those who do are posting to complain. It's a biased sample.

 

In any case, if you make a band-aid solution, you enrage the currently dissatisfied; amputate a leg, you irritate the people who currently like you. It's an unenviable position to be in, and it's going to take a great deal of effort and inspiration to get them out of it. Even if they get it exactly right, they'll still be left with some long-lasting repercussions. What percentage of Amazon.com, Gamestop.com, et cetera reviewers are going to go back and change their ratings three or four months from now? Probably not many. A lot of people will have moved on by then, which means the game's going to be stuck with its 2-star rating for quite some time. The whole thing's pretty unfortunate. One thing's for certain, however: they really need to acknowledge what's occuring, or it's just going to get worse. They can't hope to outmaneuver a social media wildfire, which is what it's become.

  Atlan99

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3/16/12 10:58:12 PM#71
Originally posted by Jenuviel
Originally posted by Ceridith
Originally posted by Castillle
*snip*

It's likely that the half assed "ending" is because it's a fake ending.

Of course, that's by no means an excuse for it... particularly if the real ending ends up being a DLC.

It's not a fake ending. That's already been debunked by Geoff Keighley's behind-the-scenes iPad app. It's a multi-media (photos, video, interviews) look at the making of the game's ending, and it's pretty clear that both Casey Hudson and Mac Walters were pleased with the way the shipped ending turned out. I definitely understand the desire to wish it was a fake ending, but the facts in evidence no longer support that theory.

(Note: Keighley isn't a BioWare employee, he's a video game journalist who paid for the production costs of the app himself).

I have to pay for the information you are suggesting. While he may have some super secret information that proves your case. The proof of burden still rests upon you.

Until you provide that information we can't have a debate. Your whole arguement is "guy proved you wrong. Here is a link go buy the proof." 

  FntSize72LOL

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3/17/12 3:24:37 AM#72
Originally posted by Atlan99
Originally posted by Jenuviel
Originally posted by Ceridith
Originally posted by Castillle
*snip*

It's likely that the half assed "ending" is because it's a fake ending.

Of course, that's by no means an excuse for it... particularly if the real ending ends up being a DLC.

It's not a fake ending. That's already been debunked by Geoff Keighley's behind-the-scenes iPad app. It's a multi-media (photos, video, interviews) look at the making of the game's ending, and it's pretty clear that both Casey Hudson and Mac Walters were pleased with the way the shipped ending turned out. I definitely understand the desire to wish it was a fake ending, but the facts in evidence no longer support that theory.

(Note: Keighley isn't a BioWare employee, he's a video game journalist who paid for the production costs of the app himself).

I have to pay for the information you are suggesting. While he may have some super secret information that proves your case. The proof of burden still rests upon you.

Until you provide that information we can't have a debate. Your whole arguement is "guy proved you wrong. Here is a link go buy the proof." 

Well basically the app states that the ending that we got was something they thought was a good idea, although they had initially scrapped a version of the ending that would have shepard fighting indoctrination. People are pretty much taking it both ways though. Someone had a bunch of the information up on BSN then the mods shut the forum down to clean it out.

  Trionicus

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3/17/12 3:41:28 AM#73
Originally posted by kassier
I wouldve had TIM/Harbinger/Catalyst Hybrid monster with TIM's eyes. Either way the ending theory atm is Shepard fighting indoctrination. Hopefully a DLC gets released with the option to refuse, and hopefully get a real final boss with harbinger in there somewhere. Hes been MIA the whole game.

Seriously? We're willing to pay for REAL endings now? 3 games and several DLC's isn't enough. If I have to buy a DLC for a REAL ending, it better come with that N7 leather jacket @ no cost. Screw it, I say EA gets burried, didn't they lose like 2.2 billion in the last few years?

Then again, with market scamming being the prevalent form of money making, you can "lose" money, get tax cuts cuz u lost money AND make a profit simultaneously. Unless it's R&D for a console Oo blah, conjecture. They should die after how they gutted and cloned little shit gremlin biowares everywhere... LOL put that glass apparatus down Sir!

 

Uh yeah I loved Harbinger. What happened to him again?

 

  dronfwar

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3/17/12 7:23:49 AM#74

lurking social.bioware. lololo. this shit is so fake!!!

http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/4/48438/2150483-1331884897290.png 

  InFaVilla

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3/17/12 3:45:31 PM#75

I actually want EAware  to do make a DLC ending for Mass Effect 3, because then hopefully even the most stubborn zealots will realize how wrong things have gone. There needs to be a wake-up call.

  Gabby-air

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3/17/12 7:29:38 PM#76

Had the synthesis ending, for me it was an epic end to one of the best trilogy ever made...hell i had tears coming down when Shepard sacrificed himself and unleashed his energy. 

  User Deleted
3/17/12 10:23:46 PM#77
Originally posted by Gabby-air

Had the synthesis ending, for me it was an epic end to one of the best trilogy ever made...hell i had tears coming down when Shepard sacrificed himself and unleashed his energy. 

If your scores are high enough then you choose destruction just to see what it did and right after thought this.

http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10156940/1

"Shepard breathing Ending

              I'd like to understand one simple question:
 
              WHY the Shep breathing end ONLY happens when you choose the 'destroy' option?

              I've already tried control and synthesis with the same save file, and didnt happened...

              Thats intriguing to me, despite all indoc/hallucination theories..

              What do you guys think about this?
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What's going on at this point?  Who knows.  It's hard to believe that they made such a great game/games then dropped the ball in the last 20 minutes. I think it's all planned (ending dlc).  I don't think Bioware expected this sort of reaction from their playerbase, which caught them off-guard. 

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3/17/12 11:26:18 PM#78
Originally posted by JayBirdz
Originally posted by Gabby-air

Had the synthesis ending, for me it was an epic end to one of the best trilogy ever made...hell i had tears coming down when Shepard sacrificed himself and unleashed his energy. 

If your scores are high enough then you choose destruction just to see what it did and right after thought this.

http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10156940/1

"Shepard breathing Ending

              I'd like to understand one simple question:
 
              WHY the Shep breathing end ONLY happens when you choose the 'destroy' option?

              I've already tried control and synthesis with the same save file, and didnt happened...

              Thats intriguing to me, despite all indoc/hallucination theories..

              What do you guys think about this?
"

 

 

What's going on at this point?  Who knows.  It's hard to believe that they made such a great game/games then dropped the ball in the last 20 minutes. I think it's all planned (ending dlc).  I don't think Bioware expected this sort of reaction from their playerbase, which caught them off-guard. 

Now that is intriguing...I read up on a few of the possible theories and indoctrination explains it best. It would've made sense if shepard was breathing on the citadel, but on earth it's kind of messed up. 

Edit: Also, Shepard himself is part-synthetic like the kid mentions yet he lives?

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3/17/12 11:53:39 PM#79
Originally posted by FntSize72LOL

I'm curious if there is anything special about the "gift" Liara gives you before the main push to the citadel beam. She does something weird with your mind, i wonder if this is something that can be lent towards the indoc/hallucination theory.

Are you referring to her sharing her memories with you? I honestly don't think that is the case, as she does it to you before Mass effect 3 as well when she is the one looking at your memories. 

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3/18/12 12:13:08 AM#80

I been playing Bioware games a looooooong time (haven't played ME3 yet) and I think the problem might be the disconnect between the hype of Bioware's famous 'choices' and the reality that there isn't much real choice.  Clearly given all the build up and potential options from 3 games worth of minutia and impact they'd led people to think they'd have, there was no way they were going to be able to provide the number of ending to satisfy many people. So they opted for displeasing everyone the same way.

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