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  User Deleted
3/15/12 5:23:43 PM#21
Originally posted by Gajari
Originally posted by JayBirdz

Closure with the ending. I decided to finish up the last few missions last night instead of waiting for something that may never come.  DLC explaining what just happened.


The indoctrination theory is sound.  Matter of fact I don't see how someone couldn't of picked up on it.  From about three or four missions out from the ending that was a HUGE subject. When you go to get the relic is where it's starts getting thrown in the players face over and over and over and over.   
 
So the question is when did Shepards indoctrination start? Right after that beam hit Shepard or after he went through the transport beam.  If he didn't even make it through the transport beam then how did the alliance fair in the fight?  It's safe to say at some point in the Mass Effect timeline the alliance won.  The scene with the old man and boy tells us this. 
 
  It also tells us that Shepards fight wasn't the last either.  So did the reapers get killed off and a new threat with someone else leading the charge happen after? Or did the reapers win / withdraw at this point in time with someone else leading the way. Did Shepard live or die? What about everyone Shepard cared about? 
 
The game up to the ending was great. It was also sold on being the end of these chapters if I am not mistaken.   They left a plot hole so bloody large that it's essentially confused a great deal of people or flat out pissed them off. I personally don't care if Shepard dies or lives. I just want to know what really happened after those few minutes.  Something I think the players have earned. 
 
If Bioware is going to leave it as is they may very well piss off and loose a large portion of their player base.  This would be the second time in a very short period of time in which they missed the mark on one of their top single player titles.  
 
The whole thing simply screams dlc, if those of us who want to know are lucky, or a new series which may never answer the questions.

 

 

 

The way I see it, I'm either not thinking about it enough and enjoying my straight-forward reaction to the ending, or everyone else is overthinking it and finding stuff to hate.

But now that I think about it...  if the idea of choosing Synthesis killed Shepard because he was partially synthetic, why was EDI alive at the end when it took down the Normandy?

And I chose Garrus and Liara for my trip to Earth, so shouldn't they have been following me while running to the beam? I would assume that if no one made it to the beam as was said in the dialogue following being hit by it, that Garrus and them would have all been dead or something. But I guess all but Shepard just high-tailed it back to the Normandy?

I would also ask why Shepard was in his casual outfit after the blast rather than beaten up armor as I was wearing, but I would assume that was because they didn't wanna have to design a beat up version of every piece of gear you might be wearing at the time just for this one part.

There are, indeed, some unknowns here, but I don't think the entire thing was a hallucination.

Go read up on the Bioware forums is all I can say.  Posters there cover it very well, better than I could.

 

  Eladi

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3/15/12 5:28:44 PM#22
Originally posted by gainesvilleg
Originally posted by Gajari

You know what, I lost track of the end, and thought I chose the "destroy" option, and turns out I did the "control" option, even though I didn't meant to. lol

Ha, I did the same thing.  You couldn't tell which side to go to in order to get get control or destroy.  I figured when I walked over to one it would tell me which one I was choosing before I selected it but no, once you walked over there it made you choose it.  Pretty stupid LOL.

But, like I said, the game up to that point was very good so I won't get all bent out of shape for a bad ending.  I actually like this ending somebody wrote up on the net and will just assume that was the real ending LOL:

http://arkis.deviantart.com/art/Mass-Effect-3-Alternate-Endings-SPOILERS-289902125 

 

Yea, thats a far better ending then the crap they gave us

  User Deleted
3/15/12 5:36:56 PM#23
Originally posted by iceman00
Originally posted by JayBirdz

Closure with the ending. I decided to finish up the last few missions last night instead of waiting for something that may never come.  DLC explaining what just happened.


The indoctrination theory is sound.  Matter of fact I don't see how someone couldn't of picked up on it.  From about three or four missions out from the ending that was a HUGE subject. When you go to get the relic is where it's starts getting thrown in the players face over and over and over and over.   
 
So the question is when did Shepards indoctrination start? Right after that beam hit Shepard or after he went through the transport beam.  If he didn't even make it through the transport beam then how did the alliance fair in the fight?  It's safe to say at some point in the Mass Effect timeline the alliance won.  The scene with the old man and boy tells us this. 
 

 

Or does it????

There's no indication the Alliance "won" in the old man's words.  Just that, more or less, something like this happened.  It is obviously far removed from those events, as that society (strongly implied) cannot yet reach space.  It could simply have been a story of humanities last stand.

Here's what I wonder?  What if the protheans "destruction" was simply them being turned into the Collectors?  They became servants of the Reapers, and the "lesser species" were permitted to evolve without the Protheans holding them back.  If that is a race that cannot reach space yet with the old man, could it be simply that the cycle continued, with or without the reapers?

There were a lot of ways Bioware could've done something.  They were onto something.  But it just didn't happen.

That's a good point. I forgot about the knowledge ark / arks.  Hell there is two of them come to think of it.  The one that Javik gave Shepard near the end.  The one which Liara was working on. 

  UsualSuspect

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3/15/12 5:37:34 PM#24
Originally posted by Gajari

How is this not a good ending? It brings everything to a close perfectly, in my opinion... 

The biggest problem I have with the ending is it completely negates everything I've been working toward. In ME1 I first encountered the existence of the Reapers and tried getting the Council on side to deal with them, in ME2 I gathered an awesome team together to go and fight some Reaper controlled 'Collectors' who were abducting entire human colonies, dealing with a massive Human Reaper in the process. In ME3 I travel the galaxy bringing races together for an epic battle with the Reapers. But when I reach the ending, all I've worked toward is ignored and comes to, "Select the Red, Green or Blue Light.". Nothing I've done matters through all three games.

This is also the reason why I currently have no interest in replaying any game in the series, despite having logged over 170 hours in ME2 alone. It's just completely pointless. Shepard might as well just have stayed on earth, waited for the Reapers to show up, then jumped in the beam and selected one of the pretty colours. You could argue that gathering the War Assets makes the ending slightly better - the worst ending wipes out life on earth - but it's still meaningless. The whole 3 games still comes down to one of three choices.

  gainesvilleg

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3/15/12 6:17:46 PM#25
Originally posted by JeroKane

This is by far the best article about ME3 and the huge backlash regarding it's ending:

http://www.gamefront.com/mass-effect-3-ending-hatred-5-reasons-the-fans-are-right/

He explains it perfectly as to why so many people are outraged and dissapointed and why they (me included) have every right to be angry.

 

Let's face it!  The whole game is basically amazing, right up to where the ending starts.

The whole endpart feels short and rushed! Reality is more likely they ran out of time, scrapped all that they promised to deliver and just did the copy pasta job they did with the current endings to quickly wrap it up and get it out of the door!

That's why it's full of plot holes, with tons of things that make no sense at all. Everything you can expect from a rush job!

The last minute Day 1 DLC was more likely done, as they expected the backlash of the current endings and pretty much expected that this will be the only chance to cash in on DLC for this game, as the vast majority won't fork out any more cash for this game for sure!

Not unless they start talking to the community and actually release some "proper" meaningful endings that make "actual" sense and all the choices you made actually matter! You know.... what was advertised and promised???!

Yeah that was a good read and I agree with all 5 points.  His point #1 (listed last) was my main gripe (copy/pasted below) but really all of them are valid:

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It’s been said more than once that the “multiple” endings of Mass Effect 3 are too similar, but if you have played it, and you’re honest about it, you have to admit that similar doesn’t even begin to describe it. They are all functionally identical. Once players reach the Citadel, they are taken along a low-interaction pathway, engage in conversation with the Illusive Man that can only end with him dead if you wish to proceed further, and then have a conversation — with a very limited set of responses — with the AI child. This experience is the same regardless of your Shepard’s moral alignment, and regardless of the decisions you made to get to this point. The AI does not alter his dialogue if you kill the Geth, he doesn’t offer different justifications if you spared the Collector Base; he does nothing different.

And then, you are given the same three choices, choices that you must accept even though none of them fit with anything Shepard would ever have done at any previous moment in the entire series. Whether the choices succeed or fail depends solely on your Effective Military Strength score, and nothing else. And once made, the only difference between them is a slightly different cutscene, and a different-colored explosion. And that’s it. The game ends at this point, and aside from the Normandy crash-landing, and the weird old man talking about “The Shepard” — and don’t forget the crass DLC pitch — the player never once gets to see how any of the choices they made affected the galaxy, or how the lives of people they touched continue, or don’t, after the war.  

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  gainesvilleg

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3/15/12 6:22:16 PM#26

But, to repeat an earlier comment I made, regardless of the disappointing ending the ME series was amazing.  So good that I don't hate on them for the poor ending.  I was very emotionally invested in the series, which is rare for a game, and was very sad in the final walk Shepard made before the final push.  Where he talked to each main NPCs one more time.  Just felt like it should and to quote Jim Morrison:  "This is the end.  My only friend, the end.."

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  FntSize72LOL

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3/15/12 6:33:32 PM#27

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4H_A7SeawU4

 

This video sums my feelings up on the subject pretty nicely. He did a pretty good job at vocalizing what people are feeling with the current ending.

 

Forbes has also been on a roll when it comes to defending the ME Userbase against "Entitlement" Attacks. They've put out multiple articles in the last few days. This being their latest article:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2012/03/15/upset-mass-effect-fans-entitled-gamers-or-responsible-consumers/

 

But the last few days have been explosive over on BSN. There are threads getting upwards from 2-8 posts a minute basically stating how bad the ending was and how they hope that Bioware will make it right.

  iceman00

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3/15/12 6:54:07 PM#28
Originally posted by gainesvilleg

But, to repeat an earlier comment I made, regardless of the disappointing ending the ME series was amazing.  So good that I don't hate on them for the poor ending.  I was very emotionally invested in the series, which is rare for a game, and was very sad in the final walk Shepard made before the final push.  Where he talked to each main NPCs one more time.  Just felt like it should and to quote Jim Morrison:  "This is the end.  My only friend, the end.."

I think for a lot of people, the "ending" robs a lot of worthiness of ME3.  There is no point in playing it again.  With the first, there was at least a few reasons (who you save or kill), and in ME2, there were countless variables as far as replayability.

In ME3, there are none.  There are no visual changes depending on who lives or dies.  All endings are the same.

 

Though here's my theory for a better ending:

You "wake up."  You go to the Citadel.  And you encounter a projection of the Catalyst again (this time make him a more foreboding figure, as you now see him as he is.)  You resolve to destroy the Reapers.  He tries to persuade you otherwise.  Points out how neccessary they are to evolution.  That if not for the Reapers, the Protheans would've continued to enslave  and enforce their fascistic worldview upon the galaxy.  Rather than being individuals, they would be assimilated.

Then point out that in this "cycle", while things are different, are they really worth saving?  Have the Catalyst point out how much humanity has been held back and ignored.  Point out how the Asari have been holding back all the other races, hiding the Prothean tech they had in their backyard which led to all their advancements (and why they were so skilled at biotics)  Point out how the salarians committed genocide upon the krogan once they outlived their usefulness.  Point out how the quarians created the geth, only to dismiss them once they began to think for themselves, and preferred a destructive war rather than granting their synthetic slaves freedom.

If Shepard rejects this line of argumentation showing how peace has been achieved between geth and quarian, and the genophage has been cured, the Catalyst simply asks "how long do you honestly think such would last?"  He then offers a choice.  If Shepard keeps the Reapers, he will cause humanity to ascend, to become the dominant race of the next 50,000 years.  Shepard of course could refuse and say "we will take our chances", or perhaps a third option (for a true red renegade), a synthesis of reaper technology with Shepard's DNA., this leads to a new species, they become the Reaper's vanguard of destruction over the next several centuries, and they become the dominant race in the next cycle.  (Remember, the Reaper's destruction of the Protheans was so final and complete as to take nearly a millenium, so there is sufficient time for such a race to populate.)

Even make such an ending more enticing by pointing out in an epilogue how problems are still flaring up over the galaxy, and the allliance is barely hanging on, but at least, for the first time in the history of the galaxy, the fate of organics is truly their own.

  Unshra

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3/15/12 7:03:46 PM#29

@ Original Poster

The issue most seem to have is that all of the endings are basicly the same with only the colors changing. Also there is a second issue, in order to get the perfect ending you need to have an "Effective" Military Strength of 5000 this is not possible without raising your "Galactic Readiness" to over the default of 50%. BioWare had claimed that users would not be forced to use Muliplayer or moblie games to experience the perfect ended but lied, it's not possible so people are throwing tantrums because they have to play multiplayer or another game inorder to unlock the perfect ending.

 

However all that really changes is the addition of one small scene that happens so quickly you could miss it so again there is no real change.

 

 

SPOILERS!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In this ending Shepard does not die.


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  quotheraving

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3/15/12 7:28:39 PM#30

Lets see what are the problems with the ending... I say ending rather than endings for a good reason... They're pretty much the same video but with different coloured explosions.

 

I could list a dozen or more reasons but just watch this:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4H_A7SeawU4&feature=g-u-u&context=G29e27b7FUAAAAAAAaAA

He pretty much summs it up.

  FntSize72LOL

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3/15/12 8:06:12 PM#31
Originally posted by iceman00
Originally posted by gainesvilleg

But, to repeat an earlier comment I made, regardless of the disappointing ending the ME series was amazing.  So good that I don't hate on them for the poor ending.  I was very emotionally invested in the series, which is rare for a game, and was very sad in the final walk Shepard made before the final push.  Where he talked to each main NPCs one more time.  Just felt like it should and to quote Jim Morrison:  "This is the end.  My only friend, the end.."

I think for a lot of people, the "ending" robs a lot of worthiness of ME3.  There is no point in playing it again.  With the first, there was at least a few reasons (who you save or kill), and in ME2, there were countless variables as far as replayability.

In ME3, there are none.  There are no visual changes depending on who lives or dies.  All endings are the same.

 

Though here's my theory for a better ending:

You "wake up."  You go to the Citadel.  And you encounter a projection of the Catalyst again (this time make him a more foreboding figure, as you now see him as he is.)  You resolve to destroy the Reapers.  He tries to persuade you otherwise.  Points out how neccessary they are to evolution.  That if not for the Reapers, the Protheans would've continued to enslave  and enforce their fascistic worldview upon the galaxy.  Rather than being individuals, they would be assimilated.

Then point out that in this "cycle", while things are different, are they really worth saving?  Have the Catalyst point out how much humanity has been held back and ignored.  Point out how the Asari have been holding back all the other races, hiding the Prothean tech they had in their backyard which led to all their advancements (and why they were so skilled at biotics)  Point out how the salarians committed genocide upon the krogan once they outlived their usefulness.  Point out how the quarians created the geth, only to dismiss them once they began to think for themselves, and preferred a destructive war rather than granting their synthetic slaves freedom.

If Shepard rejects this line of argumentation showing how peace has been achieved between geth and quarian, and the genophage has been cured, the Catalyst simply asks "how long do you honestly think such would last?"  He then offers a choice.  If Shepard keeps the Reapers, he will cause humanity to ascend, to become the dominant race of the next 50,000 years.  Shepard of course could refuse and say "we will take our chances", or perhaps a third option (for a true red renegade), a synthesis of reaper technology with Shepard's DNA., this leads to a new species, they become the Reaper's vanguard of destruction over the next several centuries, and they become the dominant race in the next cycle.  (Remember, the Reaper's destruction of the Protheans was so final and complete as to take nearly a millenium, so there is sufficient time for such a race to populate.)

Even make such an ending more enticing by pointing out in an epilogue how problems are still flaring up over the galaxy, and the allliance is barely hanging on, but at least, for the first time in the history of the galaxy, the fate of organics is truly their own.

Hell, i'd feel ALOT more satisfied if it ended up like a DA:O type ending where you had a small wall of text filling in some of the missing blanks, and giving us information about how the galaxy faired with losing all the mass relays. Giving information about all the squad members we cared about. Nope, we get a cutscene that is 95% recycled, lots of plot holes,  and a confusing bit with the normady trying to outrun some sort of energy wave which ultimately knocks them out of FTL and somehow they crash land on a habitable planet (Pretty fortunate right?).

Although, of course i would be all for the entire ending being retconed and completely reworked in some sort of optional DLC that re does the ending in a way that provides closure and allows for, Atleast the illusion, that shepard is making a decision on his own terms besides uncharacteristically blindly following the suggestion of the master of all the reapers (Which isn't it supposed to be the enemy?). Also, scrap the whole normady scene, it makes no sense that joker and the normady crew would abandon shepard when it mattered the most.

I guess what gets me the most is shepard is a symbol of defiance. Soverign told him that he would fail, yet he beat soverign. The collectors kill shepard, but he ultimately comes back to life, and manages to destroy the collectors desipite Harbingers best efforts to stop him. Shepard Destroys the Alpha relay, sacrificing hundreds of thousands of lives to delay the invasion. How does it make sense that Shepard would just agree with the godchild and accept his "3" choices. He doesn't even attempt to argue with, or even reject the gaurdian.

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OP  3/15/12 10:33:04 PM#32

Looking back, it's true what everyone is saying. The ending does seem rushed, and the ending where Shepard doesn't die could mean it's either gonna be in a dlc, or maybe they'll have a Mass Effect 3-2. lol

Or they could just finish it off with books or something.

In the end, I guess they left a lot up to personal interpretation, but honestly, no matter what, I don't see how Shepard lived... either he was blown up by the Reaper, or he was destroyed because he was partially synthetic if that end sequence was real.

Well, at least the ending got people talking. If they do put out a dlc that goes into more detail on the ending, then I will have lost respect for BioWare almost entirely, however...

Unless they give it out for free to make up for it or something. Which they won't.

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3/15/12 10:58:38 PM#33

 A) there is only one ending. No matter what you dp the 3 color choices play exactly the same except the color of the relay explosions. In all endings Shepard dies the normandy with all your crew that were on earth somehow abandons earth to try and out run the devistation of the destroyed relays. and crashes on some unknown jungle word that is not earth (check out the moons) were at least tali, edi and garrius will die  either to starvation/infection/or edi's central intelligence being the now crashed/destroyed normandy. The fleets at earth are stranded there never to return to their homeworlds due to the mass relays being destroyed (distances home far to far even for FTL drives. and science not up to reaper level to rebuild the alien relays) So very likely any remaining alien fleet are stuck with a destroyed earth for sole support,

b) as stated none of your actions make a difference in how the game ends. except maybe the red choice that lets you see shepard take his final breath where the blue choice simply disintagrates him.

  As late as Jan of this year Casey at Bioware was promising multiple endings where your actions in game actuall had effect. unfortunately add to that lie the holes in the plot (why did the normandys crew adandon both sherpard and earth to go running for the mass realy how did they get ahead of the destruction beams anyway etc  and the ending was not only sad but made no sense overall

 

  EvilestTwin

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3/15/12 11:23:56 PM#34

Just watch all 7 endings side by side and see if it doesn't piss you off:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPelM2hwhJA&feature=player_embedded

Also:

  gainesvilleg

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3/15/12 11:29:32 PM#35
Originally posted by EvilestTwin

Just watch all 7 endings side by side and see if it doesn't piss you off:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPelM2hwhJA&feature=player_embedded

Also:

 

LOL funny picture.  Focusing on the ending does make one get a bit upset.  But those 10 minutes of "what the F is going on?" at the end didn't negate the dozens and dozens of hours of enjoyment ME1-3 gave me.

My guess is they will sell a DLC that fully resolves it.  I won't be buying it though, but I will youtube any additional endings they wish to add.  I felt like I got all the war assets I could possibly get (other than a bugged Hannar diplomat mission and the lame multiplayer scaling factor) so I will just youtube the best ending when they release it and pretend it was mine LOL...

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3/16/12 12:33:08 AM#36

 

My favorite image from the Mass Effect Endings Reception meme site (if you can believe it already has one).

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3/16/12 2:43:49 AM#37
Originally posted by EvilestTwin

Just watch all 7 endings side by side and see if it doesn't piss you off:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPelM2hwhJA&feature=player_embedded

Also:

 

 

This says it all.

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  Atlan99

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3/16/12 3:37:59 AM#38

The reason why I hated the end of Mass Effect 3 is beause it wasn't the end.

It was a cliffhanger that implied I could purchase the "Real Ending" DLC  at a later date.

The rest of this seems like Bioware manipulating the situation to get maximum publicity out of this. It seems to be working. Don't get me wrong, this could backfire if nobody buys the DLC and Bioware's next project. However that seems highly unlikely.   

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3/16/12 4:34:28 AM#39

I hate the end because it did not deliver what  bioware promised, that i would see an endingthat reflects my choices.  ihave 3 complete playthrough chars from ME1 and ME2 with a full renegade, full paragon , and a bad one with some lost companions. the ending is the same if i played full paragon or full renegade, it does not change anything at all, what matters ist the galactic readiness score, so basically, just buy ME3 and forget the first 2 games, because you can have the same ending,

 

ending cinematic is a slap to the face i dont know what happens with my teammates or civilisations, all ME portals destroyed? i thought that would build up supernovas.. (ME2 reference) with all races stranded around a near destroyed earth.. ok yeah , leads to extinction anyway? what did i save? nothing..

 

daddy why do i hate the end of me3? "because its shit my son" ....

  Krasnij

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3/16/12 4:43:14 AM#40
Originally posted by gainesvilleg
Originally posted by EvilestTwin

Just watch all 7 endings side by side and see if it doesn't piss you off:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPelM2hwhJA&feature=player_embedded

Also:

 

LOL funny picture.  Focusing on the ending does make one get a bit upset.  But those 10 minutes of "what the F is going on?" at the end didn't negate the dozens and dozens of hours of enjoyment ME1-3 gave me.

My guess is they will sell a DLC that fully resolves it.  I won't be buying it though, but I will youtube any additional endings they wish to add.  I felt like I got all the war assets I could possibly get (other than a bugged Hannar diplomat mission and the lame multiplayer scaling factor) so I will just youtube the best ending when they release it and pretend it was mine LOL...

 

And thats about it, i too had such a great time with the 3 games, that i really dont understand why the last 10 minutes had to be that bad, i mean if you look at me2 ending, not even ending, the start of the suicide mission where you sat and watched what would happen, the moment you realize not buying hull upgrad does kill jack or even grunt.. that was spectacular, and me3.. no matter what i did, i have 5000 points EMS points, i can choose all same endings....

its not as good as me1 or me2 ending...

 

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