How come when I read the negative reviews of ME3 on Metacritic, I didn't even see anything about the gay issue.  The vast majority of it was about the quality of the game, some of it was about the DLC.. Granted, I wasn't actively looking for it, but it looked to me like people upset about the SGR options are more of a fringe element, at most.

Yet people keep calling attention to the bigotry, more than everything else, as if they're either suprised to discover there are stupid people like that in the world.. or maybe, to draw attention away from the real issues regarding Bioware, EA, and ME3?

Originally posted by Metanol

Originally posted by niceguy3978

Yes, but if you help the military are you using a gun?  If so, the NRA wins the propoganda war!

If we follow this logic, every Bioware RPG is pro-war/killing. Because I remember killing people from Baldur's Gate series with swords and axes to Mass Effect.

And why would you play a Scifi RPG/Shooter if you didn't want to shoot someone in it? In ME you are stuck to one role, it even reads in the back of the game, so when you're buying it, you know that you'll be shooting eventually, and you will be stuck with "military".

By that same logic since society has gays and lesbians why would you want to play a game that didn't have them?  Since he is trying to save a society and all.  But my smartassedness (trademark forthcoming) has led us down a road from which we may never return.  We may forever be lost in the wilderness of derailment.

Originally posted by Vhaln

How come when I read the negative reviews of ME3 on Metacritic, I didn't even see anything about the gay issue.  The vast majority of it was about the quality of the game, some of it was about the DLC.. but looked to me like people upset about the SGR options are more of a fringe element, at most.

 

Yet people keep calling attention to it, more than everything else, as if they're either suprised to discover there are people like that in the world.. or maybe, to draw attention away from the real issues regarding Bioware, EA, and ME3?

It is all part of the "gay agenda" they want rights and everything.  (Before mods get involved on this post, I was being sarcastic and am fully supportive of anyone kissing whoever they want to kiss).

Originally posted by evianwater

Originally posted by SuperXero89

Originally posted by Quesa

 

Originally posted by SuperXero89

All BioWare's games seem to push a political agenda as of late.  I love the mission in SW:TOR where you gain LS points for helping a group of Republic soldiers abandon their post.

I don't see them pushing political agenda's on anyone, just mirroring the social aspects of our society.  Most of what people think, incorrectly, are political agenda's are more moral decisions for the story or character advancement - in which ME3 has a good number of.

Morality is a tough term to nail down though.  "Who" gets to decide whether the action in my example gets the player lightside or darkside points?  In my first playthrough, I wished to raise a "good" character; however, in this particular instance, I was forced to go against my own judgement in order to keep my character alignment which meant I had to keep my character more in line with BioWare's own personal interpretation of "good" in order to keep my lightside points.  You might say this is an inherent problem with the character alignment systems in BioWare's games, but there are certainly some instances in SW:TOR and other BioWare games where I find the moral decisions a bit suspect.

Morality isn't a hard term to nail down..because it's personal. Therefore its up to your perception to decide if "light" is "good" or if "dark" is bad. You can't expect Bioware to tackle the philosophy of ethics and come out perfect..its impossible.

Morality is reletive to the person perceiving it. The whole point of the system in making choices is to make them based off of *your* morality, not biowares. If that ends with you being less then 100% lightside points..that's just more in line with reality I think. 

You also weren't *forced* to make any light or darkside choices..they are choices, as in, you can decided which way to go, and dark and light have so little effect anyway it doesn't matter (especially since removing some of the weapon crystal requirements):

Like I said, maybe this is a problem with the moral choices you can make in BioWare's games.  The vast majority of situations were rather black and white but every now and again you're confronted a situation where you really don't agree with the alignment choice given to the response, and that's when you think that BioWare is pushing their own beliefs onto you.  You say whole point of the system is to make choices based off of "your" morality, but it doesn't really work out that way.  I may perceive myself as "good," and I may perceive said action as an act of "good," however, when upon doing so, your screen flashes bright red and you gain darkside points, it is quite clear that BioWare doesn't agree, and at that point, it's not about making your own choices.  For example, take the gay thing for example.  Imagine a  hypothetical situation where your character gets to decide whether two same-sex NPCs can be married.  You get LS points for doing what you need to do to allow the marriage, but you get DS points for going against it.  I can't see that going over well, that's for sure.

The problem is the alignment.  If all choices both DS and LS were alignment neutral with only affects on the gameworld or individual quest as the only indicator of the result of your decision, I would agree with you.  When "good" and "bad" points are assigned to certain decisions, you're really only playing a game to match BioWare's own personal vision of morality. 

Don't know why people keep calling attention to the gay thing. That article is old, there were like 200 people bitching about gay scenes and now thousands pointing out the real flaws, namely the gameplay and the ending. Whether or not you consider them flaws isn't relevant (because I'm sure there are people ready to hit that quote button just to tell me how much they love it, trust me, I don't care), that's simply the going issue right now. That's the reason why the metacritic score is so low, and also why despite being low, it's higher than it was. Last I checked it was over 3, nearing 4, from people that are posting seriously; less '0 cuz its gay' zealots and equally less '10 cuz its bioware' zealots.

The gay issue is passe. Move on. Nearly everyone who's played it certainly has.

Originally posted by SuperXero89

Originally posted by evianwater

Originally posted by SuperXero89

Originally posted by Quesa

 

Originally posted by SuperXero89

All BioWare's games seem to push a political agenda as of late.  I love the mission in SW:TOR where you gain LS points for helping a group of Republic soldiers abandon their post.

I don't see them pushing political agenda's on anyone, just mirroring the social aspects of our society.  Most of what people think, incorrectly, are political agenda's are more moral decisions for the story or character advancement - in which ME3 has a good number of.

Morality is a tough term to nail down though.  "Who" gets to decide whether the action in my example gets the player lightside or darkside points?  In my first playthrough, I wished to raise a "good" character; however, in this particular instance, I was forced to go against my own judgement in order to keep my character alignment which meant I had to keep my character more in line with BioWare's own personal interpretation of "good" in order to keep my lightside points.  You might say this is an inherent problem with the character alignment systems in BioWare's games, but there are certainly some instances in SW:TOR and other BioWare games where I find the moral decisions a bit suspect.

Morality isn't a hard term to nail down..because it's personal. Therefore its up to your perception to decide if "light" is "good" or if "dark" is bad. You can't expect Bioware to tackle the philosophy of ethics and come out perfect..its impossible.

Morality is reletive to the person perceiving it. The whole point of the system in making choices is to make them based off of *your* morality, not biowares. If that ends with you being less then 100% lightside points..that's just more in line with reality I think. 

You also weren't *forced* to make any light or darkside choices..they are choices, as in, you can decided which way to go, and dark and light have so little effect anyway it doesn't matter (especially since removing some of the weapon crystal requirements):

Like I said, maybe this is a problem with the moral choices you can make in BioWare's games.  The vast majority of situations were rather black and white but every now and again you're confronted a situation where you really don't agree with the alignment choice given to the response, and that's when you think that BioWare is pushing their own beliefs onto you.  You say whole point of the system is to make choices based off of "your" morality, but it doesn't really work out that way.  I may perceive myself as "good," and I may perceive said action as an act of "good," however, when upon doing so, your screen flashes bright red and you gain darkside points, it is quite clear that BioWare doesn't agree, and at that point, it's not about making your own choices.

The problem is the alignment choices.  If all choices both DS and LS were alignment neutral with only affects on the gameworld or individual quest as the only indicator of the result of your decision, I would agree with you.  When "good" and "bad" points are assigned to certain decisions, you're really only playing a game to match BioWare's own personal vision of morality. 

But you will always have that problem for a significant portion of the population.  If it had been the opposite and I got dark points for helping them out maybe I would have felt the way you now feel.  You are always going to make someone upset with something like that or make them uncomfortable at least.  The only real option is to not have it in place to begin with or to have it very black and white which is even more problematic to me because very few things are black and white.  Maybe they need to have a grey option?  I dunno, but anytime you have a system like this in place some of the choices are going to be problematic for some people.

Originally posted by niceguy3978

 

But you will always have that problem for a significant portion of the population.  If it had been the opposite and I got dark points for helping them out maybe I would have felt the way you now feel.  You are always going to make someone upset with something like that or make them uncomfortable at least.  The only real option is to not have it in place to begin with or to have it very black and white which is even more problematic to me because very few things are black and white.  Maybe they need to have a grey option?  I dunno, but anytime you have a system like this in place some of the choices are going to be problematic for some people.

For some situations, it's hard to believe no one at BioWare thought that the moral choices were sketchy at best, but if you have a system like the one in SW:TOR, I actually think it is better that the alignment decisions are black and white.  That doesn't even mean you can have complex moral decisions in the game, but those decisions shouldn't award alignment points.  That way you can enjoy thought provoking gameplay without feeling as if the game is preaching to you.  

I just beat the title.

Loved every minute of it.  But then again, I play games for enjoyment...

They aren't my entire life.  I feel so sorry for many of you.

People are *still* whining about gays invading their video games?  Grow the hell up.

Beacause I am stuck at work and have nothing better to do on my phone, I have read a lot of reviews and WOW... lots of trolls there.

People giving the game a 1 of 10 why? This game definitely blows Bruce Lee, E.T., and Tao Feng out of the water... not even ib thr neighborhood of those games. So, in a word, the one reason for low scores: butthurt.

Further explanation... what people are butthurt over:
Origin providing DRM and reducing piracy.
Game continuing to not discriminate against gays.
Game being M-rated.
Day 1 DLC -perhaps the only legit complaint - but comes free with CE, and not a reason for a 1/10.
EA bought Bioware - I'm not a fan of EA either, but slamming good games over it is immature.
Steam fanboys hating on origin.
PC geeks hating on Xbox.

^so there you have it, thr complete list of haters^

Originally posted by FateFatality

Copy and past from a site

http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/mass-effect-3/user-reviews

Today sees the launch of the highly-anticipated Mass Effect 3, but before you rush out to buy a copy, take a moment to listen to the opinion of the common man.

Courtesy Metacritic user "EndOfLine:"

This is the end of the like for mass effect, and bioware in general a game that actively encourages homosexual behaviour and other mental illnesses and especially how the target audience for this game is children. I personally will not be happy until all Ea and bioware employees have been crucified their buildings razed to the ground and the earth salted, this type of 'game' should not be played by anyone at all.

Likewise appalled by the game is Metacritic user "ilovegaben:"

What the he were they thinking? putting gay scenes into video games? If i wanted political messages, id watch the news. I do NOT want games becoming yet another medium for propaganda. 0/10

And so on for another 258 user reviews.

The game, which launched approximately 9 hours ago, currently sports a 2.4 user rating on Metacritic. Of course, the average rating among professional gaming critics is a pretty solid 93, but who are you going to believe? Gaming journalists who were obviously bought off with cocaine, yachts and hookers, or the hardworking proletariat whose only desire is for a space opera uncorrupted by BioWare's obvious homosexual agenda?

 

Looks like mass effect 3 was pile of crap

Yes ME3 was a pile of CRAP, but let's not get sidetracked here.

You pointed out reviews from people without saying WHAT they're talking about. So I'll help you out.

When they're talking about the "homosexual" scenes they're talking about the scene with a same-sex crewmember on board the normandy that when spoken to has a FORCED homosexual conversation that can lead to a "supposed" homosexual relationship with said crewmember. This "conversation" with this same-sex crew member was literally so badly done that you ARE literally forced into said homosexual situation without pretty much a choice. This was one of their WORST conversations coded into the game, and given the fact that how badly the endings are NOT by choice, AND they force a homosexual situation onto the player if they stumble across this crewmember has people completely up-in-arms over ME3.

Moreso, people are simply pissed at the massive glaring plot-holes, plot devices that don't make sense, situations within the game that give you no choice or recourse to change them, and SPOILER: tons of your crewmember that you worked so hard to save in 1 & 2 are murdered infront of you without the ability to stop it, and then to top it ALL off the endings are absolutely forced.

Only to have the Lead Designer of Bioware tweet just yesturday that it was all planned & that it was a "jab at piracy" and that the REAL endings are coming with DLCs "soon". Even though they're not fooling anyone and THESE are the REAL endings, and they're merely trying to make up excuses in order to patch the major damage that they've done to Bioware as a company.             

Hope I clear that up for you all!

-Cheers

Originally posted by gaeanprayer

Don't know why people keep calling attention to the gay thing. That article is old, there were like 200 people bitching about gay scenes and now thousands pointing out the real flaws, namely the gameplay and the ending. Whether or not you consider them flaws isn't relevant (because I'm sure there are people ready to hit that quote button just to tell me how much they love it, trust me, I don't care), that's simply the going issue right now. That's the reason why the metacritic score is so low, and also why despite being low, it's higher than it was. Last I checked it was over 3, nearing 4, from people that are posting seriously; less '0 cuz its gay' zealots and equally less '10 cuz its bioware' zealots.

 

The gay issue is passe. Move on. Nearly everyone who's played it certainly has.

This ^ .

Why the fk does all the gay boys milking that " players are against gays ".

The gamers are against the 1st day DLC cos it is just wrong.

Look what happened to Capcom Street Fighter x Tekken now.

The freaking DLC is in the CD and you just need to pay more money to unlock it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DB-rxpD4nTQ&feature=uploademail

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Originally posted by SuperXero89

All BioWare's games seem to push a political agenda as of late.  I love the mission in SW:TOR where you gain LS points for helping a group of Republic soldiers abandon their post.

This was the only time I received Dark Side points on my Sage who played very light side conscious. When you get these dark side points, you even say how they need to return because they will be putting additional stress on the currently under-manned military and how they need to think about the whole and why they signed up, instead of focusing selfishly on themselves. Bogus!

I'll see how the MA 3 score adjusts with time...