Trending Games | Darkest Dungeon | Guild Wars 2 | Elder Scrolls Online | Star Wars: The Old Republic

  Network:  FPSguru RTSguru
Login:  Password:   Remember?  
Show Quick Gamelist Jump to Random Game
Members:2,932,094 Users Online:0
Games:767  Posts:6,343,939
Recent forum postsRSS
Active threads
Cloud view
List all forums
General Forums
Developers Corner General Discussion
Popular Game Forums
Click a status to find game forum
Game Forums
Click a letter to find game forum
A-C
2029 Online 2112: Revolution 2Moons 4Story 8BitMMO 9 Dragons A Mystical Land A Tale in the Desert III A3 ACE Online AD2460 ARGO Online Aberoth Absolute Force Online Absolute Terror Achaea Adellion Aerrevan Aetolia, the Midnight Age Age of Armor Age of Conan Age of Empires Online Age of Mourning Age of Wulin Age of Wushu Aida Arenas Aika Aion Albion Online Alganon All Points Bulletin (APB) Allods Online Altis Gates Amazing World Anarchy Online Ancients of Fasaria Andromeda 5 Angels Online Angry Birds Epic Anime Ninja Anime Pirates Anime Trumps Anmynor Anno Online Applo Arcane Hearts Arcane Legends ArchLord ArcheAge Archeblade Archlord 2 Archlord X Ascend: Hand of Kul Asda 2 Asda Story Ashen Empires Asheron's Call Asheron's Call 2 Astera Online Astonia III Astro Empires Astro Lords: Oort CLoud Asura Force Atlantica Online Atriarch Aura Kingdom Aurora Blade Auto Assault Avatar Star Battle Dawn Battle Dawn Galaxies Battle for Graxia Battle of 3 Kingdoms Battle of the Immortals Battlecruiser Online Battlestar Galactica Online Battlestar Reloaded Beyond Protocol Black Aftermath Black Desert Black Gold Black Prophecy Black Prophecy Tactics: Nexus Conflict Blackguards 2 Blacklight Retribution Blade & Soul Blade Hunter Blade Wars Blazing Throne Bless Blitz 1941 Blood and Jade Bloodlines Champions Boot Hill Heroes Borderlands 2 Borderlands: The Pre-Sequel Bound by Flame Bounty Bay Online Brain Storm Bravada Bravely Default Bravely Second Brawl Busters. Brick-Force Bright Shadow Bullet Run Business Tycoon Online CTRacer Cabal Online Caesary Call of Camelot Call of Gods Call of Thrones Camelot Unchained Canaan Online Cardmon Hero Cartoon Universe CasinoRPG Cast & Conquer Castle Empire Castlot Celtic Heroes Champions Online Champions of Regnum Chaos Online Child of Light Chrono Tales Citadel of Sorcery CitiesXL Citizen Zero City of Decay City of Heroes City of Steam City of Transformers City of Villains Civilization Online Clan Lord Clash of Clans Cloud Nine Club Penguin Colony of War Command & Conquer: Tiberium Alliances Company of Heroes Online Conquer Online Conquer Online 3 Continent of the Ninth (C9) Core Blaze Core Exiles Corum Online Craft of Gods Crimecraft Crimelife 2 Cronous Crota II Crowfall Crusaders of Solaris Cultures Online Cyber Monster 2 Cyberpunk 2077 Céiron Wars
D-F
D&D Online DC Universe DK Online DOTA DOTA 2 DUST 514 DV8: Exile Dalethaan Dance Groove Online Dark Age of Camelot Dark Ages Dark Legends Dark Orbit Dark Relic: Prelude Dark Solstice Dark Souls 2 Dark and Light DarkEden Online DarkSpace Darkblood Online Darkest Dungeon Darkfall Darkfall: Unholy Wars Darkwind: War on Wheels Das Tal Dawn of Fantasy Dawntide DayZ Dead Earth Dead Frontier Dead Island Dead Island 2 Dead Island: Riptide Deco Online Deep Down Deepworld Defiance Deicide Online Dekaron Demons at the Horizon Desert Operations Destiny Diablo 3 Diamonin Digimon Battle Dino Storm Disciple Divergence Divina Divine Souls Divinity: Original Sin Dofus Dominus Online Dragon Age: Inquisition Dragon Ball Online Dragon Born Online Dragon Crusade Dragon Empires Dragon Eternity Dragon Fin Soup Dragon Nest Dragon Oath Dragon Pals Dragon Raja Dragon's Call Dragon's Call II Dragon's Prophet DragonSky DragonSoul Dragona Dragonica Dragons and Titans Drakengard 3 Dream of Mirror Online Dreamland Online Dreamlords: The Reawakening Drift City Duels Dungeon Blitz Dungeon Fighter Online Dungeon Overlord Dungeon Party Dungeon Rampage Dungeon Runners Dungeon of the Endless Dynastica Dynasty Warriors Online Dynasty of the Magi EIN (Epicus Incognitus) EVE Online Earth Eternal Earth and Beyond Earthrise Eclipse War Ecol Tactics Online Eden Eternal Edge of Space Einherjar - The Viking's Blood Elder Scrolls Online Eldevin Elf Online Elite: Dangerous Embers of Caerus Emil Chronicle Online Empire Empire & State Empire Craft Empire Universe 3 EmpireQuest Empires of Galldon End of Nations Endless Ages Endless Blue Moon Online Endless Online Entropia Universe EpicDuel Erebus: Travia Reborn Eredan Eternal Blade Eternal Lands Eternal Saga Ether Fields Ether Saga Online Eudemons Online EuroGangster EverEmber Online EverQuest Next EverQuest Online Adventures Evernight Everquest Everquest II Evony Exarch Exorace F.E.A.R. Online Face of Mankind Fairyland Online Fall of Rome Fallen Earth Fallen Sword Fallout 4 Fallout Online Family Guy Online Fantage Fantasy Earth Zero Fantasy Realm Online Fantasy Tales Online Fantasy Worlds: Rhynn Faunasphere Faxion Online Fearless Fantasy Ferentus Ferion Fiesta Online Final Fantasy Type-0 HD Final Fantasy XI Final Fantasy XIV Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn Firefall Fists of Fu Florensia Flyff Football Manager Live Football Superstars Force of Arms Forge Forsaken Uprising Forsaken World Fortnite Fortuna Forum for Discussion of Everlight Freaky Creatures Free Realms Freesky Online Freeworld Fung Wan Online Furcadia Fury Fusion Fall
G-L
GRAV GalaXseeds Galactic Command Online Game of Thrones: Seven Kingdoms Gameglobe Gate To Heavens Gates of Andaron Gatheryn Gauntlet Gekkeiju Online Ghost Online Ghost Recon Online Gladiatus Glitch Global Agenda Global Soccer Gloria Victis Glory of Gods GoGoRacer Goal Line Blitz Gods Rush Gods and Heroes GodsWar Online Golemizer Golf Star GoonZu Online Graal Kingdoms Granado Espada Online Grand Chase Grand Fantasia Grepolis Grimlands Guild Wars Guild Wars 2 Guild Wars Factions Guild Wars Nightfall H1Z1 Habbo Hotel Hailan Rising HaloSphere2 Haven & Hearth Hawken Heart Forth Alicia Hearthstone: Heroes of Warcraft Helbreath Hellgate Hellgate: London Hello Kitty Online Hero Online Hero Zero Hero's Journey Hero: 108 Online HeroSmash Heroes & Generals Heroes & Legends: Conquerors of Kolhar Heroes in the Sky Heroes of Atlan Heroes of Bestia Heroes of Gaia Heroes of Might and Magic Online Heroes of Thessalonica Heroes of Three Kingdoms Heroes of the Storm Hex Holic Online Hostile Space Hunter Blade Huxley Icewind Dale: Enhanced Edition Illutia Illyriad Immortals USA Imperator Imperian Inferno Legend Infestation: Survivor Stories Infinite Crisis Infinity Infinity Iris Online Iron Grip: Marauders Irth Worlds Island Forge Islands of War Istaria: Chronicles of the Gifted Jade Dynasty Jagged Alliance Online Juggernaut Jumpgate Jumpgate Evolution KAL Online Kakele Online Kaos War Karos Online Kartuga Kicks Online Kill Strain King of Kings 3 Kingdom Heroes Kingdom Under Fire II Kingdom of Drakkar Kingory Kings Era Kings and Legends Kings of the Realm KingsRoad Kitsu Saga Kiwarriors Knight Age Knight Online Knights of Dream City Kothuria Kung Foo! Kunlun Online Kyn L.A.W. LEGO Universe La Tale Land of Chaos Online Landmark Lands of Hope: Redemption LastChaos League of Angels League of Legends - Clash of Fates Legend of Edda: Vengeance Legend of Golden Plume Legend of Grimrock 2 Legend of Katha Legend of Mir 2 Legend of Mir 3 Legendary Champions Lego Minifigures Online Lichdom: Battlemage Life is Feudal Light of Nova Lime Odyssey Line of Defense Lineage Lineage Eternal: Twilight Resistance Lineage II Linkrealms Loong Online Lord of the Rings Online Lords Online Lords of the Fallen Lords of the Fallen 2 Lost Saga Lucent Heart Lunia Lusternia: Age of Ascension Luvinia World
M-Q
MU Online Mabinogi Maestia: Rise of Keledus MagiKnights Magic Barrage Magic World Online Manga Fighter MapleStory Martial Heroes Marvel Heroes Marvel Super Hero Squad Online Marvel: Avengers Alliance Mass Effect 4 MechWarrior Online Megaten Meridian 59 : Evolution Merlin MetalMercs Metaplace Metin 2 MicroVolts Middle-earth: Shadow of Mordor Midkemia Online Might & Magic Heroes Online Might & Magic Heroes: Kingdoms Might & Magic X: Legacy MilMo Minecraft Mini Fighter Minions of Mirth Ministry of War Monato Esprit Monkey King Online Monkey Quest Monster & Me Monster Madness Online MonsterMMORPG Moonlight Online: Tales of Eternal Blood Moonrise Mordavia Mortal Online Mourning My Lands Myst Online: URU Live Myth Angels Online Myth War Myth War 2 Mythborne Mytheon Mythic Saga Mythos N.E.O Online NIDA Online Nadirim Naviage: The Power of Capital Navy Field Need for Speed World Nemexia Neo's Land NeoSteam Neocron Nether Neverwinter Nexus: The Kingdom Of The Winds NinjaTrick NosTale Novus Aeterno Oberin Odin Quest Odyssey RPG Ogre Island Omerta 3 Online Boxing Manager Onverse Oort Online Order & Chaos Online Order of Magic Original Blood Origins Return Origins of Malu Orion's Belt Otherland Forums OverSoul Overkings Overwatch Oz Online Oz World Pandora Saga Pantheon: Rise of the Fallen Panzar Parabellum Parallel Kingdom Parfait Station Path of Exile Pathfinder Online Perfect World Perpetuum Online Persona V Phantasy Star Online 2 Phantasy Star Universe Phoenix Dynasty Online Phylon Pi Story Picaroon Pillars of Eternity Pirate Galaxy Pirate Storm Pirate101 PirateKing Online Pirates of the Burning Sea Pirates of the Caribbean Online Pixie Hollow Planeshift Planet Arkadia Planet Calypso PlanetSide 2 Planetside Planets³ Playboy Manager Pocket Legends Pockie Ninja Pockie Pirates Pockie Saints Pokémon X and Y PoxNora Prime World Prime: Battle for Dominus Priston Tale Priston Tale II Prius Online Prodigy Project Blackout Project Gorgon Project Powder Project Titan Forums Project Wiki Project Zomboid Puzzle Pirates Quest for Infamy Quickhit Football
R-S
R2 Online RAN Online RF Online ROSE Online Rage of 3 Kingdoms Ragnarok Online Ragnarok Online II RaiderZ Rail Nation Rakion Rappelz RappelzSEA Ravenmarch Realm Fighter Realm of Sierra Realm of the Mad God Realm of the Titans Realms Online Rebel Galaxy Reclamation Red Stone Red War: Edem's Curse Regnum Online Remnant Knights Renaissance Repulse Requiem: Memento Mori Rift RiotZone Rise Rise of Dragonian Era Rise of Empire Rise of the Tycoon Risen 3: Titan Lords Rising of King Risk Your Life Rivality Rockfree Rohan: Blood Feud Role Play Worlds Roll n Rock Roma Victor Romadoria Rosh Online Roto X Rubies of Eventide Ruin Online Rumble Fighter Runes of Magic Runescape Rust Rusty Hearts Ryzom S4 League SAGA SD Gundam Capsule Fighter Online SMITE SUN Sacred 3 Sagramore Salem SaySayGirls Scarlet Blade Scions of Fate Seal Online: Evolution Second Chance Heroes Second Life Secret of the Solstice Seed Serenia Fantasy Seven Seas Saga Seven Souls Online Sevencore Shadow Realms Shadow of Legend Shadowbane Shadowgate Shadowrun Online Shaiya Shards Online Shattered Galaxy Sho Online Shot Online Shroud of the Avatar SideQuest Siege on Stars Sigonyth: Desert Eternity Silkroad Online Skyblade Skyforge SmashMuck Champions Smoo Online Soldier Front Soul Master Soul Order Online Soul of Guardian South Park: The Stick of Truth Space Heroes Universe Sparta: War of Empires Spellcasters Sphere Spiral Knights Spirit Tales Splash Fighters Squad Wars Star Citizen Star Conflict Star Sonata 2 Star Stable Star Supremacy Star Trek Online Star Trek: Infinite Space Star Wars Galaxies Star Wars: Clone Wars Adventures Star Wars: The Old Republic StarQuest Online Starbound Stargate Worlds Starlight Story Starpires State of Decay SteelWar Online Stone Age 2 Stormfall: Age of War Stormthrone Storybricks Stronghold Kingdoms Styx: Master of Shadows Sudden Attack Supremacy 1914 Supreme Destiny Sword Girls Sword of Destiny: Rise of Aions SwordX Swords of Heavens Swordsman
T-Z
TERA TS Online TUG Tabula Rasa Tactica Online Tales Runner Tales of Fantasy Tales of Pirates Tales of Pirates II Tales of Solaris Talisman Online Tamer Saga Tank Ace Tantra Online Tatsumaki: Land at War Terra Militaris TerraWorld Online Terraria Thang Online The 4th Coming The Agency The Aurora World The Banner Saga The Banner Saga 2 The Black Watchmen The Chronicle The Chronicles of Spellborn The Crew The Division The Epic Might The Hammers End The Incredible Adventures of Van Helsing The Incredible Adventures of Van Helsing 2 The Legend of Ares The Lost Titans The Matrix Online The Mighty Quest for Epic Loot The Missing Ink The Mummy Online The Myth of Soma The Pride of Taern The Realm Online The Repopulation The Secret World The Sims Online The Strategems The West The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt Theralon There Therian Saga Thrones of Chaos Tibia Tibia Micro Edition Tiger Knight Titan Siege Titans of Time Toontown Online Top Speed Topia Online Torchlight Torment: Tides of Numenera Total Domination Transformers Universe Transistor Transverse Traveller AR Travia Online Travian Triad Wars Trials of Ascension Tribal Hero Tribal Wars Tribes Universe Trickster Online Trove Troy Online True Fantasy Live Online Turf Battles Twelve Sky Twelve Sky 2 Twilight War Tynon U.B. Funkeys UFO Online URDEAD Online Ultima Forever: Quest for the Avatar Ultima Online Ultima X: Odyssey Ultimate Naruto Ultimate Soccer Boss Uncharted Waters Online Undercover 2: Merc Wars Underlight Unification Wars Universe Online Utopia Valkyrie Sky Vampire Lord Online Vanguard: Saga of Heroes Vanquish Space Vector City Racers Vendetta Online Victory - Age of Racing Vindictus Virtonomics Vis Gladius Visions of Zosimos VoidExpanse Voyage Century Online W.E.L.L. Online WAR (Warhammer Online) WAR2 Glory WYD Global Wakfu War Thunder War of 2012 War of Angels War of Legends War of Mercenaries War of Thrones War of the Immortals WarFlow Waren Story Warflare Wargame1942 Warhammer 40,000: Eternal Crusade Warhammer 40K: Dark Millennium Online Warhammer Online: Wrath of Heroes Warkeepers Warrior Epic Wartune Wasteland 2 WebLords Wild West Online WildStar Wind of Luck WindSlayer 2 Wings of Destiny Wish Wizard101 Wizardry Online Wizards and Champions Wonder King Wonderland Online World Golf Tour World of Battles World of Darkness World of Heroes World of Kung Fu World of Pirates World of Speed World of Tanks World of Tanks Generals World of Warcraft World of Warplanes World of Warriors World of Warships World of the Living Dead WorldAlpha Wurm Online Xenoblade Chronicles: X Xenocell Xiah Xsyon Xulu YS Online Yitien ZU Online Zentia Zero Online Zero Online: The Andromeda Crisis Zodiac Online Zombies Ate My Pizza eRepublik

MMORPG.com Discussion Forums

Star Wars: The Old Republic

Star Wars: The Old Republic 

General Discussion  » Predictions on TORs subs a year out

14 Pages First « 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 » Search
274 posts found
  Acmegamer

Novice Member

Joined: 7/16/10
Posts: 337

3/01/12 9:32:48 AM#221
Originally posted by Randallt3mp
Originally posted by rdrpappy

I haven't noticed any less people ingame than when it released, my guild is still playing the hell outa the game.

 

We talking about the same game? lol? swtor right?  Oh i guess you must be on one of those magical pvp wc servers that never loses players and is very heavy/full all of the time.  Well sorry to pop your bubble in dreamland over there but most of us are/were playing on light/standard servers even during peak hours.

 

     I've been continuing to monitor the server page and one server I've noted that does tend to run heavier population wise is Canderous Ordo server. But otherwise I agree most servers stay at light/standard with 5 to 10 hitting heavy, and maybe 2 or 3 hitting very heavy, Canderous Ordo is the only one I see hitting "full" at times. So for 126 I think the count is for US servers, its not boding well. Replay value is near nill, it actually is tedious to level alts, I'd never had that experience before playing mmo-rpgs, and I'm a alt-aholic.

  I've given up actually on my alts, my main is just about to hit 49th, the rest are. 25th, 21st, 15th, 13th, 8th, 6th, 3rd levels. Seriously the worst game ever to play an alt, AoC is a very very distant second for playing an alt. Can't even enjoy the crafting system with the alts since you dont craft, your companions do. 

 

  David_Lopan

Novice Member

Joined: 9/07/10
Posts: 817

"There is no progress. Everything is the same as it was. Form changes. The essence does not." RLS

3/01/12 9:37:47 AM#222

I keep hearing about all these MMO's coming out this year. Can someone hit me with some release dates please?

  jdnewell

Advanced Member

Joined: 7/04/06
Posts: 1949

3/01/12 9:42:23 AM#223

I would guess 250k-300k a year after launch. But thats just a guess.

With another crop of MMO's being released this year that may actually get away from the gear grind formula I think ToR will suffer.

IMO they played it too safe with the design choices. Instead of copy/paste from other games ( except VO ) they should have tried to make something a bit more unique.

Just my thoughts

  Acmegamer

Novice Member

Joined: 7/16/10
Posts: 337

3/01/12 9:50:23 AM#224
Originally posted by jdnewell

I would guess 250k-300k a year after launch. But thats just a guess.

With another crop of MMO's being released this year that may actually get away from the gear grind formula I think ToR will suffer.

IMO they played it too safe with the design choices. Instead of copy/paste from other games ( except VO ) they should have tried to make something a bit more unique.

Just my thoughts

 

   That is part of the problem, Jd. They didn't even do a real cut and paste. They left out so many core mmo-rpg features that it is sort of sad. They should have played it safe and went with a cut and paste plus the voice overs/cuttaways. They'd have had a big successful game then, evne if a lot of us complained about it being a cut and paste.  Instead they did a minor cropping of 'some" mmo-rpg features and tacked them onto a stand alone rpg game.

  niceguy3978

Elite Member

Joined: 6/14/06
Posts: 2029

3/01/12 9:50:52 AM#225
Originally posted by MosesZD
Originally posted by dougmysticey

I think it is funny that people say <500k subs when they will have that many, at least in the US and AMEA, as well as getting ready to launch in Asia and Asia Pac. I think it is too early to say for sure but I think it will be higher than peeps here suspect.

 

Nobody who understands the economics of MMOs cares about those.  Those subs, for Blizzard, run $1 US a month.   They don't even run at a proft.   They're just kept on for marketing purposes...   And considering how much free hype they've gotten over the years on the 12 million subscriber thing...    It was worth every penny and then some.

I'm curious as to where you read that they don't run a profit in Asia, would love a link to that.  Sounds like an interesting read.

  Mors-Subita

Novice Member

Joined: 7/04/04
Posts: 464

3/01/12 9:55:41 AM#226
Originally posted by William12
Originally posted by ComfyChair
Originally posted by William12

Over a million why ?  GW2 is gonna FLOP with its pay to win cash shop that the fanboys keep ignoring and want to pretend will only have cosmentic items.    TSW ?  I got 1 word for you FUNCOM Anyone remember the AOC beta ?  I wont ever trust that company again.

 

SO once GW2 flops and TSW is released way to early (thats what funcom does people) a SWTOR expansion will be out and people will be interested again.  

 

Oh and when did some of you become experts ?  TOR didnt meet expectation ?  whos ? Yours ?   Name another New MMO that sold over 2 million copies in the first week ?  You cant.   I got a question do you idiots believe wow had 10 mil players from day 1 ?  WOW didnt blow up until way after release.

I'm sorry william, but you come off as such a massive fanboy it's hard to take you seriously :)

'pay to win cashshop' in a sequel to a game with a cashop that wasn't pay to win? 'being released too early' from a company that freely admitted they really screwed up and are taking their time this time around?

Yeah.

You can dream.

Why are you so threatened by GW2? Why are you threatened by TSW?

 

Actually im far from a fanboy I played SWTOR to pass time, but I'm not blind.

Pay to win read the freakin updated FAQ about the cash shop you can be ignorant about the wording all you want, but the rest of us realize the words "through the investment of time." You tell me what else this could mean ?  It tells me any item i can camp through the INVESTMENT OF TIME may very well be purchased in the cash shop.   That is pay to win.

With TSW I have no hate i expect nothing and hope its good because I wanna try it, but I wont trust funcom and will bash them until they prove us all wrong.

A therefore B does NOT mean B therefore A.

If I shoot someone he dies, therefore if someone dies it is because I shot him does not work...

 

They said that anything that you can get in the store(i.e. changing gender, renaming character, etc) can be done inside the game. That does not mean that anything that can be gotten in the game can be gotten in the store.

 

Basic Logic. Learn it. Use it. Profit.

  Vore_Techz

Novice Member

Joined: 2/18/12
Posts: 124

Trolling isn't an action, its a way of life.

3/01/12 9:57:13 AM#227
Originally posted by William12

Over a million why ?  GW2 is gonna FLOP with its pay to win cash shop that the fanboys keep ignoring and want to pretend will only have cosmentic items.    TSW ?  I got 1 word for you FUNCOM Anyone remember the AOC beta ?  I wont ever trust that company again.

 

SO once GW2 flops and TSW is released way to early (thats what funcom does people) a SWTOR expansion will be out and people will be interested again.  

 

Oh and when did some of you become experts ?  TOR didnt meet expectation ?  whos ? Yours ?   Name another New MMO that sold over 2 million copies in the first week ?  You cant.   I got a question do you [mod edit] believe wow had 10 mil players from day 1 ?  WOW didnt blow up until way after release.

There is so many things wrong with this post I don't even know where to start....

(>^_^)> MMO Veteran <(^_^<)
Currently Playing: Tera Online

  Mors-Subita

Novice Member

Joined: 7/04/04
Posts: 464

3/01/12 9:57:42 AM#228
Originally posted by Snaylor47
Originally posted by LadyNoh
Originally posted by Snaylor47
Originally posted by LadyNoh

If you actually believe that then you havent looked into the other titles enough yet.

 

TSW is the most innovative title to be released this year.

Archage is gonna take the sandbox titles easily being that the only other real sandbox for their fantasy is Wurm.

TERA is actually gonna push the PvP crowd for fantasy

and PlanetSide 2 is gonna take the pvp crowd for Sci Fi.

 

so wanna know what leg SWTOR has. The Sci Fi PvE catagory. and sorry unless something changes, PvE in SWTOR is quite lacking.

None of those have a major IP or are B2P so they can't be THAT successful.

 

RIFT, EvE and EQ are really the only ones that come to my mind.

not every idea needs to be stolen. wait originality, that cant possibly work. people dont have ideas, its crazy talk.

Name 5 MMOs that you conceder successful but A)Are not the 3 listed above or B) B2P or based on a large IP

Asheron's call, UO, DAOC, Eve, Everquest, Wizard101... Off the top of my head. If I spend some time thinking about it I could come up with more.

 

And before you say that any of those are big IPs(specifically EQ) it wasn't when it came out.

  Acmegamer

Novice Member

Joined: 7/16/10
Posts: 337

3/01/12 10:08:57 AM#229
Originally posted by Vore_Techz
Originally posted by William12

Over a million why ?  GW2 is gonna FLOP with its pay to win cash shop that the fanboys keep ignoring and want to pretend will only have cosmentic items.    TSW ?  I got 1 word for you FUNCOM Anyone remember the AOC beta ?  I wont ever trust that company again.

 

SO once GW2 flops and TSW is released way to early (thats what funcom does people) a SWTOR expansion will be out and people will be interested again.  

 

Oh and when did some of you become experts ?  TOR didnt meet expectation ?  whos ? Yours ?   Name another New MMO that sold over 2 million copies in the first week ?  You cant.   I got a question do you [mod edit] believe wow had 10 mil players from day 1 ?  WOW didnt blow up until way after release.

There is so many things wrong with this post I don't even know where to start....

    William12 tends to posts that have so many things wrong with them that I am getting to the point that I just keep on scrolling down when he posts. Good luck with your start on where to start with correcting all the errors! heh. Btw if you do correct the errors, he most likely won't address the factual corrections you make, even if you link links to each point. Thought I'd warn ya. :)

 

 

  arctarus

Novice Member

Joined: 9/26/06
Posts: 2591

3/01/12 10:13:45 AM#230
Originally posted by niceguy3978
Originally posted by MosesZD
Originally posted by dougmysticey

I think it is funny that people say <500k subs when they will have that many, at least in the US and AMEA, as well as getting ready to launch in Asia and Asia Pac. I think it is too early to say for sure but I think it will be higher than peeps here suspect.

 

Nobody who understands the economics of MMOs cares about those.  Those subs, for Blizzard, run $1 US a month.   They don't even run at a proft.   They're just kept on for marketing purposes...   And considering how much free hype they've gotten over the years on the 12 million subscriber thing...    It was worth every penny and then some.

I'm curious as to where you read that they don't run a profit in Asia, would love a link to that.  Sounds like an interesting read.

 

Im curious too, 1 of my friend, join blizzard asia and was send to china for a few months, he told me every hour there is 80k players playing WoW.

That is 80,000 playing every hour.

 

Huge profit if you ask me...

 

 

RIP Orc Choppa

  User Deleted
3/01/12 10:18:32 AM#231

I have no idea to be honest.    When the game was still in beta I figured it would break all kinds of sales records... then have server mergers before the first year was up.

 

The problem with this forum is we concentrate far to much on if a game sucks or not.

 

As opposed to... the market we currently have is far more saturated than ever before.

 

MMO's as a whole have always had over developed lower level areas and under developed "end game".   This was fine with a game like EverQuest ... simply because a large percentage of the population was not "end game" that fast.

 

In the over saturated market its much easier for a player with little time invested in a game to leave out of boredom.

 

If end game was engaging... then retention might be higher.

 

This to me is what TOR's largest problem is... and the largest problem of most new MMO's.   Development has to almost start being backwards or they have to slow the pace of most players getting to end game.   Honestly I think "end game" should be the development focus regardless... because that is where you are going to live if you stay in a game long term.   Or at least a large percentage of players will live there.

 

In short... I expect the game to lose subscribers... likely large numbers of subscribers.   I just don't want to get into a discussion of "The game sucks" or "you are a hater"... "you are a fanboi".   There is a market reality that is not based on any of those things.

  arctarus

Novice Member

Joined: 9/26/06
Posts: 2591

3/01/12 10:26:15 AM#232
Originally posted by Antarious

If end game was engaging... then retention might be higher.

 

This to me is what TOR's largest problem is... and the largest problem of most new MMO's.   Development has to almost start being backwards or they have to slow the pace of most players getting to end game.   Honestly I think "end game" should be the development focus regardless... because that is where you are going to live if you stay in a game long term.   Or at least a large percentage of players will live there.

 

In short... I expect the game to lose subscribers... likely large numbers of subscribers.   I just don't want to get into a discussion of "The game sucks" or "you are a hater"... "you are a fanboi".   There is a market reality that is not based on any of those things.

 

I think this is the problem with all theme park mmo.

Not only you have to capture the players the moment they step foot into the world, and all the way till max level, you have to make them wana stay with the raid-or-die , or pvp-or-die, end game contants which is always repeative.

Very difficult to do if you ask me.

 

And tor having a much worst end-game contents, i believe, is sufffering from it now.

 

I still wonder why, if mythic is part of the pvp group which brings us daoc ( provided they've learn their lesson from War ), can bring out such lousy pvp...

 

 

 

 

RIP Orc Choppa

  Acmegamer

Novice Member

Joined: 7/16/10
Posts: 337

3/01/12 10:32:40 AM#233
Originally posted by Antarious

I have no idea to be honest.    When the game was still in beta I figured it would break all kinds of sales records... then have server mergers before the first year was up.

 

The problem with this forum is we concentrate far to much on if a game sucks or not.

 

As opposed to... the market we currently have is far more saturated than ever before.

 

MMO's as a whole have always had over developed lower level areas and under developed "end game".   This was fine with a game like EverQuest ... simply because a large percentage of the population was not "end game" that fast.

 

In the over saturated market its much easier for a player with little time invested in a game to leave out of boredom.

 

If end game was engaging... then retention might be higher.

 

This to me is what TOR's largest problem is... and the largest problem of most new MMO's.   Development has to almost start being backwards or they have to slow the pace of most players getting to end game.   Honestly I think "end game" should be the development focus regardless... because that is where you are going to live if you stay in a game long term.   Or at least a large percentage of players will live there.

 

In short... I expect the game to lose subscribers... likely large numbers of subscribers.   I just don't want to get into a discussion of "The game sucks" or "you are a hater"... "you are a fanboi".   There is a market reality that is not based on any of those things.

  

  The problem is that the game worlds are nolonger about the journey and now about the destination. This is a bad game development concept for an mmo-rpg. It is a perfectly fine one for a FPS or MOBA style game, but does not work for an mmo-rpg. I've been saying this for some time and I know others have as well. 

 

 Please don't misunderstand me, I think that end game activities are needed and are fun as well, but to make the game all about the end game instead of the journey is like designing dinner around the desert without the main course etc. The whole picture or whole meal to continue the previous example needs to be taken into account for good mmo-rpg game design.  Anything less and you end up with a very imcomplete game that will only make a smaller group of players happy at best or at worst makes no one happy since many other genre of games will do each aspect of this games mechanics better. 

 

 Oh and I don't think that I or many others focus on a game sucking so much as that we focus on why a game doesn't do X, Y or Z, or why they do them so poorly. Also I think many of us will talk about the things that we do like about a game, in the case of SWTOR sadly, there was so many things done wrong that a majority of most posters responses are going to be focused on these short comings. They just can't be ignored they are so glaringly obvious.

 

 

  arctarus

Novice Member

Joined: 9/26/06
Posts: 2591

3/01/12 10:43:29 AM#234
Originally posted by AcmeGamer

   Oh and I don't think that I or many others focus on a game sucking so much as that we focus on why a game doesn't do X, Y or Z, or why they do them so poorly. Also I think many of us will talk about the things that we do like about a game, in the case of SWTOR sadly, there was so many things done wrong that a majority of most posters responses are going to be focused on these short comings. They just can't be ignored they are so glaringly obvious.

 

 

 

I like the graphic and the combat animations of sentinel. Good companion story, and like the fact that the class quest last all the way till max level.

 

Stupid blizzard go and kill their class quest... -___-

 

 

RIP Orc Choppa

  eyeswideopen

Tipster

Joined: 5/24/09
Posts: 2503

3/01/12 10:45:12 AM#235

ToR won't have subs a year out. It'll be F2P long before that.

-Letting Derek Smart work on your game is like letting Osama bin Laden work in the White House. Something will burn.-
-And on the 8th day, man created God.-

  Acmegamer

Novice Member

Joined: 7/16/10
Posts: 337

3/01/12 12:02:42 PM#236
Originally posted by arctarus
Originally posted by AcmeGamer

   Oh and I don't think that I or many others focus on a game sucking so much as that we focus on why a game doesn't do X, Y or Z, or why they do them so poorly. Also I think many of us will talk about the things that we do like about a game, in the case of SWTOR sadly, there was so many things done wrong that a majority of most posters responses are going to be focused on these short comings. They just can't be ignored they are so glaringly obvious.

 

 

 

I like the graphic and the combat animations of sentinel. Good companion story, and like the fact that the class quest last all the way till max level.

 

Stupid blizzard go and kill their class quest... -___-

 

 

  I also enjoyed my main characters class quest over all. A times it was a bit lame but over all it has been fun. The interactions with the troopers squad have just over all been interesting and fun. Really this has been the best part of the game over all. It just doesn't make it an mmo-rpg by its self.

 

 

  eyeswideopen

Tipster

Joined: 5/24/09
Posts: 2503

3/01/12 1:00:04 PM#237
Originally posted by AcmeGamer
Originally posted by arctarus
Originally posted by AcmeGamer

   Oh and I don't think that I or many others focus on a game sucking so much as that we focus on why a game doesn't do X, Y or Z, or why they do them so poorly. Also I think many of us will talk about the things that we do like about a game, in the case of SWTOR sadly, there was so many things done wrong that a majority of most posters responses are going to be focused on these short comings. They just can't be ignored they are so glaringly obvious.

 

 

 

I like the graphic and the combat animations of sentinel. Good companion story, and like the fact that the class quest last all the way till max level.

 

Stupid blizzard go and kill their class quest... -___-

 

 

  I also enjoyed my main characters class quest over all. A times it was a bit lame but over all it has been fun. The interactions with the troopers squad have just over all been interesting and fun. Really this has been the best part of the game over all. It just doesn't make it an mmo-rpg by its self.

 

 

I enjoyed my main character quest as well.

Problem is, I couldn't bring myself to do the same 90% of stuff to get the 10% of new content a different class of that faction ( Imp ) would provide me. And when I switched to Rep, there was noone there.  And I don't raid or PvP. So I left with 60+ days remaining on a sub I'll never bother using.

-Letting Derek Smart work on your game is like letting Osama bin Laden work in the White House. Something will burn.-
-And on the 8th day, man created God.-

  Skuldin

Apprentice Member

Joined: 5/30/07
Posts: 83

3/01/12 1:08:15 PM#238
Originally posted by Vaultar
Originally posted by Snaylor47
Originally posted by Vaultar

Originally posted by Snaylor47
Originally posted by Vaultar

My personal opinion is <500k just because I can't see it being suistainable in long-term simply for the fact that it just focuses too much on story while not giving attention to parts that give it the definition of MMOrpg. I am sure pvp will improve and more content will be added during the coming months but severe damage has already been done to the title in its initial stage. On top of it all, we still see generic gameplay mechanics and the game reportedly missing basic social functions.

Now if you take into account probably by far the biggest factor, where we have titles like GW2, Tera and The Secret World maybe even Archeage?) being out within the next year, with each offering something unique to the genre, even if SWTOR gets an overhaul it really needs to compete, it will just be too late by that time. I doubt even expansions will save the game.

I am just being a realist.

My counter argument to this is that none of those games offer what is in reality on of the biggest draws for SWTOR, it being SWTOR by Bioware.

 

Look how poor SWG was from a subjective POV, the only things to really do in it was Crafter or space combat.

 

Sure they might lose all the people looking for something new (assuming they havn't already left), but how many people want an MMO by Bioware, or a Star Wars MMO?

Yes that is true. However, even given THAT fact, we see ppl complaining saying "what do I do after reaching 50?" or "The world is generic and lifeless" or "so much cinematics i skip thru them. Spacebar is my favourite feature in game (sorry couldnt resist that last part :P)" or "its not really MMO. I feel like im playing single player with social hubs attached" or "PvP is lacking and exploitable" or "These issues havent been fixed since the time I reported them back during beta" ..and the list continues.

It is really testing out and shaking Bioware foundations in the mmorpg world. People are beginning to realise that it is just not enough to have Star Wars and Bioware in the same line when the game is having problems in dozens of areas.

IMHO, only the most hardcore Star Wars fans will stay in game.

 

Theres plenty to do at end game, Granted its more of the same but that doesn't take away from the fact thats its still there. http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=225858, I'm on jedi convanat and spend 90% of my time talkin on /1 and Do not hear any major complaining and I find thta the complaining on the forum is inconsistant with the complaining in the actually game (If you where around doing WAR's launch you'd see what I mean). 

 

I actually have to yell at people to hit spacebar during cinimatics.

 

I am honestly not trying to sound fanboish here but I just don't see these things outside of the TOR Gen forums or here.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VascyLfpNrI (Play it) Im sorry Im not seeing any of this, and I am by no means saying that this game is going to have millions of subs tomorrow. But to say that this game will have less then 400k subs is redonculus RIFT still has about 300k subs, SWG managed 300k subs pre-NGE (AKA When the game was slightly more playable.). With the SW IP and Bioware being a rather competant developer I see no reason how this game can't get at least 800k subs, I fail to how that is a failure.


We are talking about <500k but that is not the point here. I hear stories on this site of ppl leaving SWTOR for Rift...now why would they do that when SWTOR has Star Wars and Bioware and tons of story behind the game? IMO it is because Rift, while not being overly unique (though without a doubt, rift mechanic is a huge draw to the game), has a more sense of being an MMO and is still considered to be one of the more polished AAA mmo out there. The thing is, it just does not matter in the ***long term*** (1 year + ) whether the game has Star Wars and Bioware behind it.

Yes there are still thousands upon thousands of ppl enjoying SWTOR. That is pretty much a fact. The question is, will these people continue playing SWTOR after they played the game with 2,3,4 or 5 lvl 50 alts in the long run? Yes, for those who enjoy pvp, these people will continue playing. How about for those that never touch pvp? What does the game have to offer for the next year or two besides ofc the developers adding in pve content?

You may talk about the side quests and all that, but they too grow tired esp given the fact that nothing new hasnt been done that is radically different from other mmo games besides slapping on more unneccessary cinematics.

Please dont get me wrong as I am trying to look at this as realistically as I can without bashing on the game or anything. Last thing I want is a full on war with swearing and caps everywhere lol.

Though it is nice to discuss this in the most neutral and objective way as possible.

 

It is these challenges that Bioware is facing and needs to deal with to ensure a healthy amount of subs for this game.

Weird my clan of 30-somethings bolted because the PVP sucked.

Thirty years of gaming experience...not sure if I should be proud of that
www.mmoexaminer.blogspot.com

  BenedictXV

Novice Member

Joined: 10/01/09
Posts: 107

"Hes dead Jim"

3/01/12 4:49:07 PM#239
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by BenedictXV

Anyway following the title of the thread, i put an emphasis on Predictions.

You guy's can't predict with accuracy what will happen to the game in a years, especially knowing you are not representative of the entire player base of the game, wich makes your poll result biased.

End

you could predict it pretty much as well as weather man predicts the weather.. you can use patterns and past experiences to make an educated guess.  In the end though obviously it's just a guess

Yes and this is why im not so mad about these anymore i guess, people have the right to have opinions wether i disagree with them or not. But thanks god it's not representative of the mass!

  FrodoFragins

Advanced Member

Joined: 4/29/10
Posts: 2811

3/01/12 7:15:37 PM#240

My guess is 600K.  1.2 should be able to stem the rapid bleeding.  If they can crank out some solid space combat by the end of the summer that should help as well.

 

I was hoping lobotomist would give us a follow up prediction to the following prediction last november:

 

Here is just how i think things will roll out for SWTOR in its first year. Or at least how EA would maximize profits and keep SWTOR alive and thiriving.

Month 1-3 : 1 million subs.
Month 3-6 : 300 thousand subs. (GW2, D3 launches)
Month 6-9: Expansion launched , subs on slight rise
Month 10-12 : F2P announced , subs on all time low
1 year : SWTOR goes F2P

14 Pages First « 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 » Search