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  User Deleted
2/24/12 6:44:44 PM#81
Originally posted by LadyNoh
Originally posted by phantomghost
Originally posted by LadyNoh
Originally posted by ShakyMo
Originally posted by LadyNoh

You guys are right, however you have to find the develpers who are in for it more than just money. bascially the devs who are changing things instead of releaseing the same cookie cutter game over and over. Bioware tried and failed, but atleast they tried. The Secret World and Guild Wars 2 are the next 2 that actually look different, Archage might also be on the list but my research into the game hasnt really come up with enough knowladge into the game to make a verdict.

how did they "try"

they copied wow, removed half the features, took out all choice in leveling areas, then stuck in a load of voice over.  Theres nothing innovative in SWTOR

They tried by incorperationg new things into the game. did you forget about the cover system, how Huttball as annoying as it became was something actually new or least something old with a new twist. focusing on story over grind, the space battles. removal of auto attack. originally they allowed all weapons and armor to be upgraded to be as powerful if not more powerful that the coveted endgame gear (however this was scrapped before Open Beta), or the enviromental things you could attack which causes a powerful AoE that usually drops your opponents.

 

now not all of these things could be deemed as good but they did bring in a new form of flavor. if anything SWTOR SHOULD be disected take the good ideas remove the bad ones and put into the next gen games. 

 

I will add some.

 

The lack of people knowing what the f*ck there doing.  Oh wait.. not having to group and learn how to play your class is not new.

 

Lack of content or filler.  I am max level, max geared... what to do... make an alt.  Where are the good days of continue to level 1 character and improve em.

i was speaking of new Features, not new players.

You are right in all those things (even if I'm exaggerating) - but do You really think that with all the mmo development from let's say even as late as 2003 SWG - 2011 RIFT this is even worth mentioning. This is not some small company developing a game in a garage... honestly most of the people were comparing SW TOR to WOW during beta - it's like comparing a 1990 car with a 2010 car? I love Star Wars but BW and EA care shit about us fans and only focus on earning money striping us from a decent game.

  Rayshe

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2/24/12 6:51:21 PM#82

sorry to burst your bubble, but EA doesnt care about "stripping you of a decent game" EA's only concern is money. thus the developers that want to change things should see this as a golden opportunity, going to Blizzard and saying we have a great idea that will change all these things in the MMO genre will get you laughed out of the building. EA will say sure, so long as we get a profit we will pay you to make it. EA had 0 input in SWTOR, same as it has 0 input in TSW, same as it has had 0 input in any other game its producing. why because they know regardless they will make a profit. so why would they even care if the games successful or not. they are basically throwing a handful of stones and hopeing one hits the target.

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  chaintm

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2/24/12 6:52:35 PM#83

The fact is....

 

"there is no game that will ever be like your fist game experiance"

 

That goes for any genre, but good luck trying to find it.

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  User Deleted
2/24/12 6:57:06 PM#84
Originally posted by LadyNoh

sorry to burst your bubble, but EA doesnt care about "stripping you of a decent game" EA's only concern is money. thus the developers that want to change things should see this as a golden opportunity, going to Blizzard and saying we have a great idea that will change all these things in the MMO genre will get you laughed out of the building. EA will say sure, so long as we get a profit we will pay you to make it. EA had 0 input in SWTOR, same as it has 0 input in TSW, same as it has had 0 input in any other game its producing. why because they know regardless they will make a profit. so why would they even care if the games successful or not. they are basically throwing a handful of stones and hopeing one hits the target.

And that's why we are now all in this mmo shit hole friend! - well put.
  Souldrainer

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2/24/12 6:57:47 PM#85
The server I play on had over 200 players in fleet Tuesday at 330 am server time. Where is the decline coming from? Please note that they keep making incremental press rrleases that show an increase in numbers. That said, a decline wouldn't be out of question, but if you're out there trying to prove said decline, then you need to come with some really solid evidence.

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  Rayshe

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2/24/12 7:00:50 PM#86
Originally posted by Sp!k3
Originally posted by LadyNoh

sorry to burst your bubble, but EA doesnt care about "stripping you of a decent game" EA's only concern is money. thus the developers that want to change things should see this as a golden opportunity, going to Blizzard and saying we have a great idea that will change all these things in the MMO genre will get you laughed out of the building. EA will say sure, so long as we get a profit we will pay you to make it. EA had 0 input in SWTOR, same as it has 0 input in TSW, same as it has had 0 input in any other game its producing. why because they know regardless they will make a profit. so why would they even care if the games successful or not. they are basically throwing a handful of stones and hopeing one hits the target.

And that's why we are now all in this mmo shit hole friend! - well put.

Thank you.

 

and its only a shit hole if you look at he genre as a whole. i never have, if you wish to look at it as a whole you will see its pathway is the same as all the other genres. they got worse before they got better, but they ALLWAYS got better.

 

So i vote to stop getting angery at EA, they are doing the best thing for the genre right now. its like Medcine, Tastes aweful, but it works.

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  Aerowyn

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2/24/12 7:03:53 PM#87
Originally posted by Souldrainer
The server I play on had over 200 players in fleet Tuesday at 330 am server time. Where is the decline coming from? Please note that they keep making incremental press rrleases that show an increase in numbers. That said, a decline wouldn't be out of question, but if you're out there trying to prove said decline, then you need to come with some really solid evidence.

pick one of the "light" servers make a republic char and enjoy:)

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  phantomghost

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2/24/12 7:04:35 PM#88

Questing doesn't work.  Everybody is just so bored they are willing to give a game a month or 2 in hopes it will be half decent... but from my experience.. all these quest to solo level games SUCK, thats fact not opinion.

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  Skaara55

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2/24/12 7:05:07 PM#89

Just checked the server status page - A grand total of 1 heavy server at 8 pm est. Yeah, this game is thriving.

  Rayshe

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2/24/12 7:09:43 PM#90

Debatable, that becomes about how they approch it. the problem lays in when you decide to make the levels either too small or too big. i will use SWTOR as a example. Hoth and Nar Shadda, Hoth was huge, and they kept making quests on the opposate side of it. got really annoying and old. Nar Shadda felt like you were crammed into a tuna can completeing quests. Bioware didnt take either of these into account.  also the quests didn't change, repeated Kill, Fetch, Boss structure. when making something in a set area you need the sizing to fit the quests and the quests must change. 

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  User Deleted
2/24/12 7:10:05 PM#91
Originally posted by LadyNoh
Originally posted by Sp!k3
Originally posted by LadyNoh

sorry to burst your bubble, but EA doesnt care about "stripping you of a decent game" EA's only concern is money. thus the developers that want to change things should see this as a golden opportunity, going to Blizzard and saying we have a great idea that will change all these things in the MMO genre will get you laughed out of the building. EA will say sure, so long as we get a profit we will pay you to make it. EA had 0 input in SWTOR, same as it has 0 input in TSW, same as it has had 0 input in any other game its producing. why because they know regardless they will make a profit. so why would they even care if the games successful or not. they are basically throwing a handful of stones and hopeing one hits the target.

And that's why we are now all in this mmo shit hole friend! - well put.

Thank you.

 

and its only a shit hole if you look at he genre as a whole. i never have, if you wish to look at it as a whole you will see its pathway is the same as all the other genres. they got worse before they got better, but they ALLWAYS got better.

 

So i vote to stop getting angery at EA, they are doing the best thing for the genre right now. its like Medcine, Tastes aweful, but it works.

Hmm sounds more like a crusade - individual goals are the ones most important. I think that after WAR, SWTOR is a major setback and by consuming more and more game studios EA simply force their dumb down version of meaningless but possibly financially worthy gaming experience. As gamers and societies we agree on that and that is our biggest failure - it's not that we only remember that the games and movies were better in the old days - they simply were better.

  Rayshe

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2/24/12 7:15:25 PM#92
Originally posted by Sp!k3
Originally posted by LadyNoh
Originally posted by Sp!k3
Originally posted by LadyNoh

sorry to burst your bubble, but EA doesnt care about "stripping you of a decent game" EA's only concern is money. thus the developers that want to change things should see this as a golden opportunity, going to Blizzard and saying we have a great idea that will change all these things in the MMO genre will get you laughed out of the building. EA will say sure, so long as we get a profit we will pay you to make it. EA had 0 input in SWTOR, same as it has 0 input in TSW, same as it has had 0 input in any other game its producing. why because they know regardless they will make a profit. so why would they even care if the games successful or not. they are basically throwing a handful of stones and hopeing one hits the target.

And that's why we are now all in this mmo shit hole friend! - well put.

Thank you.

 

and its only a shit hole if you look at he genre as a whole. i never have, if you wish to look at it as a whole you will see its pathway is the same as all the other genres. they got worse before they got better, but they ALLWAYS got better.

 

So i vote to stop getting angery at EA, they are doing the best thing for the genre right now. its like Medcine, Tastes aweful, but it works.

Hmm sounds more like a crusade - individual goals are the ones most important. I think that after WAR, SWTOR is a major setback and by consuming more and more game studios EA simply force their dumb down version of meaningless but possibly financially worthy gaming experience. As gamers and societies we agree on that and that is our biggest failure - it's not that we only remember that the games and movies were better in the old days - they simply were better.

 

Sorry nope, if a company was gonna go out of buiness over a bad idea then they were gonna go out of buisness period. Once again EA isn't forcing anything 0 input into the games the publish. EA is a enabler, much like McDonalds. some people see eating at McDonalds every day as a bad idea, Others don't. Natural selection claims those that don't. Thus Some people See their new game design as a bad idea, others don't. EA doesnt care if the idea is bad or not, they will enable you to make it.

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  Syllendale

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2/24/12 7:21:46 PM#93

I shall play till my interest dies, which so far hasnt. :) ..Its how Im sure many have said before, if you no longer have fun, leave. Why the big deal of posting about it, not like it will fix what you feel is wrong with it to begin with. And sadly, the luck of the draw with what server you chose does seem to be the case, cause mine is always busy on fleets, both sides. *shrug*. 

  Creslin321

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2/24/12 7:22:51 PM#94
Originally posted by Skaara55

Just checked the server status page - A grand total of 1 heavy server at 8 pm est. Yeah, this game is thriving.

Hehe yeah I saw that as well.

Before this game was released, I predicted that it would have a lot of success in initial sales, but fail to maintain any sizable amount of players for a long period of time.  I like to check back here every now and then to see if my prediction comes true or not.

So far, looks like we're on track ;).

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  SuperXero89

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2/24/12 7:27:01 PM#95

The hatemongering is strong in this thread.

  Souldrainer

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2/24/12 7:28:40 PM#96
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by Souldrainer
The server I play on had over 200 players in fleet Tuesday at 330 am server time. Where is the decline coming from? Please note that they keep making incremental press rrleases that show an increase in numbers. That said, a decline wouldn't be out of question, but if you're out there trying to prove said decline, then you need to come with some really solid evidence.

pick one of the "light" servers make a republic char and enjoy:)

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Reps rerolling Empire has what to do with overall game population, exactly? Even saying that much means giving you the benefit of the doubt, as I have never wanted to roll Rep side, so I wouldn't know what a Rep population decline would even look like.

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  Rayshe

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2/24/12 7:29:09 PM#97

I'm not nessessarily hate mongering. i feel the game was bad (mainly cause im bitter about them removing everything i loved from the game before it was launched) but has some strong points that should be noted by other companies and encorperated into their respective games.

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  superniceguy

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NGE, LOTRO, STO, KOTOR, Lego Star Wars > NGE 2 (SWTOR). SWG>ALL. Above hopefully subject to change.

2/24/12 7:29:35 PM#98
Originally posted by Syllendale

I shall play till my interest dies, which so far hasnt. :) ..Its how Im sure many have said before, if you no longer have fun, leave. Why the big deal of posting about it, not like it will fix what you feel is wrong with it to begin with. And sadly, the luck of the draw with what server you chose does seem to be the case, cause mine is always busy on fleets, both sides. *shrug*. 

Not true. If Bioware read these posts (hopefuilly they do as these forums people can post on who do not have an active SWTOR account) to see why people are not playing, and are in a position to add/change/fix the problem then they will do.

 

  phantomghost

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2/24/12 7:33:29 PM#99

Even the class selection sucks.  I am so bored, I am trying to make another alt... but there all the same and there all boring.

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  Aerowyn

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2/24/12 7:36:25 PM#100
Originally posted by Souldrainer
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by Souldrainer
The server I play on had over 200 players in fleet Tuesday at 330 am server time. Where is the decline coming from? Please note that they keep making incremental press rrleases that show an increase in numbers. That said, a decline wouldn't be out of question, but if you're out there trying to prove said decline, then you need to come with some really solid evidence.

pick one of the "light" servers make a republic char and enjoy:)

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Reps rerolling Empire has what to do with overall game population, exactly? Even saying that much means giving you the benefit of the doubt, as I have never wanted to roll Rep side, so I wouldn't know what a Rep population decline would even look like.

you asked where is this declining population coming from. To see it for yourself just roll a republic char on pretty much any "light" server and you will see how empty this game can feel.. i'd like to see some official numbers but my guess this game is probably about 70% empire overall. 

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