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2/16/12 7:00:15 PM#241
Why does one wish that one game will kill the other? Why does this occur especially on MMOs and FPSs in the last years? There is no need for competition, when it comes to be a consumer. Developers compete between each other. But since when do gamers in order what game "is better"? There is no meaning for it. People like game a) and people like game b) - people will play game a) and other people will play game b) - why should game a) stomp game b) to the ground? W.h.y.? Because someone actually believe to be "something special" or even "priveleged" to play one game - which is just a matter of INDIVIDUAL TASTE in the end. Both will have its merits. You are not "cooler" if you play the game with a subscriber base of fictional +1 more gamer then the other... Please, think... This makes no sense.
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2/16/12 7:29:29 PM#242
Originally posted by rexzshadow Cant see it now, it was live streamed. But he will have it up by tomorrow afternoon as usual here : http://www.gamebreaker.tv/ |
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2/16/12 7:30:35 PM#243
Oops, sorry SGI, the second part was not in reference to you. I rushed the post so it looked like it was. Many apologies.
Of course everyone is going to like different games. Some, not you hehe, just like to troll. Just not worth my time anymore. |
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2/16/12 7:31:32 PM#244
TERA I think will do quite well here in the west. It will probably burry Aion and replace it as "the eastern AAA MMO" of choice. But we are talking under 500k subs at best. That said I intend to sub to it and buy GW2. Only one subscription fee! But GW2 will have way way way more numbers then TERA. No matter how good a game TERA is or how rocky the GW2 launch is. Healing the world since 2005 |
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2/16/12 7:34:31 PM#245
25 page long thread, I keep seeing it pop up, so I figured I'd throw in my three cents. I'm rich, I can afford the extra one.
There's gonna be a load of MMOs coming out in the next year it seems, all of which have a chance to give one another a "run for the money". May the best game win. Or at least stay afloat long enough to get a belt sander and smooth out the inevitable rough edges. |
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2/16/12 7:36:10 PM#246
I can't look at that Gamebreaker footage now but I hope they are not making claims like that about a game still in beta. Yes, the game has been in Korea for a year but there are a lot of updates coming on that end and the NA client used in CBT1 wasn't even the most current.
Just not worth my time anymore. |
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2/16/12 7:38:54 PM#247
Originally posted by Deron_Barak This has nothing to do with your post, but man, I love the hell outta your sig. |
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2/16/12 8:02:21 PM#248
Originally posted by Deron_Barak The main guy at GameBreakerTV basically said to 1200 watching that this is nothing more than a F2P game, he only played to level 11 and was complaining about not being able to shoot while jumping while having no idea how that pertains to the games mechanics. On top of that his main complaint was just quests, that's basically all he complained about, besides the whole jumping thing. It was brutal, anyone who played TERA in there was really upset, but if we voiced ourselves, yeah GBTV's fans would call us fanboys, while they were busy worshipping GW2, a game they haven't even played.
Whatever.
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2/16/12 8:08:42 PM#249
I'll make a toon on WoW to level 11 and tell you guy show much WoW sucks. |
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heartless
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Joined: 1/05/04
Imagination will often carry us to worlds that never were. But without it we go nowhere. -Carl Sagan |
2/16/12 8:32:00 PM#250
Originally posted by Pivotelite I didn't watch the GameBreakerTV stream, I don't really follow that website but if the guy was complaining about quests, I can't help but agree with him. The quests in TERA are absolutely atrocious. Most of them are uninspired kill quests that task you with killing the same versions of the mobs you've been killing since level 1. Combat and graphics in TERA are great but sadly they are the only thing this game has going for it.
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FlawSGI
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Joined: 8/14/10
All of history is a lie. The truth depends on who does the listening, and who does the telling... |
2/16/12 8:33:16 PM#251
Originally posted by Deron_Barak Well TY sir for clearing that up. I haven't posted in the Tera forums much so I wasn't sure if maybe you guys were getting troll posts as bad as some of the other threads and I assumed that was the case anyways. I rank Tera right up there with TSW in terms of games I have followed enough and hope they are successful enough and bring something different to the genre. Anything different would be nice right now.
But after being burned by AOC, Aion, then Rift all in a row, I am finding myself wanting to be ccareful with any MMO designed around a sub payment model because I don't rush through content and I do like to feel like I have seen enough of a game to decide if I am staying for the payments start in. Also like to add when I buy a game I always have to buy copies for myself and for the wife so thats $120 and some change on box and $30 a month in subs. I try to be careful these days with games and I know GW2 is a safe buy on the B2P model alone. Not a knock on Tera, just a knock on the sub model in general when you look at the required time necessary to dive into content in MMO's and for me (casual) that winds up with me barely scratching the surfaces before the bill rolls in. I become pretty hardcore when the game is interesting enough to keep me entertained but I haven't felt that in a long time. RIP Jimmy "The Rev" Sullivan and Paul Gray. |
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2/16/12 8:33:29 PM#252
Originally posted by Pivotelite That game mechanic sucks |
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2/16/12 9:02:02 PM#253
[quote][i]Originally posted by Lobotomist[/i] [b]I have been waiting for GW2 for years. Nothing else touches it. Nothing released this year or close. ( SWTOR ) But I played TERA and I can see a competitor. No wonder NC soft are trying to sue Bluehole and stop Tera. [/b][/quote]
Hardly! |
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2/16/12 10:18:56 PM#254
Originally posted by SuperXero89 O yes coz there is a game law stating some where that if you can't jump and attack at the same time the game mechanic atuomaticly sucks. ya ok.... |
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2/16/12 11:18:27 PM#255
Originally posted by jdlamson75 I appreciate that, thank you. Call it dumb inspiration, it's happens on rare occasions Originally posted by FlawSGI I totally understand, well not abotut the wife part. I would love to be able to play MMOs with my wife. Just to make you feel better I'll admit that I bought the CE for FFXIV... Hey it was supposed to good! At least that's what it said on the box...
Just not worth my time anymore. |
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2/16/12 11:33:30 PM#256
Regarding the public lynching of TERA on Gamebreaker today...
Gary (the main presenter) has continuously dismissed TERA as a “Korean grind-fest”, so his (and it was largely his) dislike of the game came as no surprise, you can see previous episodes on TWIMMO for examples of his attitude. He was never really going to give TERA a fare chance. It’s the only mmo I can think of that he is continuously negative about, (though the news on it doesn’t help) except of course for FFXIV, a game he supported all through beta and launch and of course had an entire show on. Now he throws his C.E. box at every opportunity, fare enough, it was the worst mmo I’ve ever played, but to then write “TERABLE” on said box and throw it, I think is going too far.
TERA wasn’t the game he was heavily invested in, yet tanked so bad that one of his shows had to end, (funny how he couldn’t see this coming despite knowing the game so well). He didn’t invest money or GBTV's resources on TERA, he just played 11 levels, in a state of mind where he would obviously focus on every negative. Now there are many things wrong with TERA, the questing, VO and story IS some of the worst I have ever seen, and there are still doubts as to how well PVP and endgame will be implemented, and I cannot say I am a fan of either Frogster or En Mass. However there is a rather large elephant in the room...
Many, many mmo players are SICK of standard combat mechanics.
I for one lost interest in the tedious rotations and lack of any need to focus on positioning or the mob itself. After a year of WoW I gave up on AION after 3 months due to it, RIFT after 3 weeks, and SWTOR after 5 days. There is a reason Vindictus is popular, and why mmos are a niche compared to action games. Standard tab targeting, skill bar combat SUCKS. During PVE and instance runs, as DPS or healer, my mind drifts so often that I am practically catatonic.
I truly appreciate the attempts by Blizzard to add variety to the questing in Cataclysm, I enjoyed TRION’s use of dynamic events to spice up the PVE, and I really wanted for years to experience full voice and story in an MMO, and hope others follow Bioware’s example. However, they are all dancing around the fact that the main reason standard kill ten rat quests are dull is due to the fact that the combat used is un-stimulating and predicable. In pre-WoW pure grind mmos, I never felt the need for questing at all, as the combat was often challenging, and varied.
Now the implementation of TERA’s action combat is controversial, the pausing during casting and lack of fluidity doesn’t give the best first impression for certain players, but when you have free aim, manual block and dodge, AOE for all horizontal melee attacks, the need to focus on a mob’s tells and attack patterns, and many other features that are simply a better way to do combat, maybe a responsible reviewer should wait to find out if maybe there is a reason for these limitations, (pvp balance) or a way they can be negated (glyphs).
I am disappointed in Gamebreaker TV, if FFXIV of all games somehow deserved its own show, and SWTOR gets over 60 episodes before the game is even released, then an mmo who’s innovation directly addresses a major flaw in the genre could at least be treated with more respect.
Those of us, and we are many, that were disappointed in RIFT, or SWTOR or any other the mmos of the last few years, can at last get invested in combat within an open world mmo for the first times in half a decade.
I guess we just simply won’t have a Gamebreaker show for it.
Thank You.
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2/16/12 11:38:15 PM#257
As pretty as it is (and I do respect its action combat as well), TERA hasn't got most of the features that drew me to GW2 as regards quest delivery, alt-friendliness, level scaling and open world shared objectives that I ultimately value more than a target reticule. Now, if TERA had all of these as WELL as action combat, I might just play whichever released first or have to flip a coin. But it doesn't, so I'll just settle on watching the odd video here and there. It's less about the combat, IMO, and more about what you really value in your MMOs. If having action combat is what you value most, I think the OP's assessment totally rings true. |
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2/16/12 11:42:10 PM#258
Originally posted by rexzshadow Well I could make a joke about how accurate, or safe, shooting a bow would be while jumping... but the character doing it could be a girl with fox ears or a big bipedal fox so my point about realism would be mute. GamebreakerTV. I've heard of this but have never watched it. Not for any reason I just haven't. Regardless, if someone has 1200 people watching them do anything it is obviously for a reason. In this case it's to watch someone play a game and give their opinion of it and at that viewership you assume they are good at it. You may or may not like TERA's art style, dislike it's "same ole" questing, hate the little fox-eared girls and think this nitch game will peak at 500k subs. Sure, that could happen who knows. If someone good at reviewing MMOs plays to even level 11 and can't tell the difference between TERA's development quality and a F2P MMO you've wasted your viewers time and a little bit of your credibility. Just not worth my time anymore. |
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2/16/12 11:46:28 PM#259
I think it is called.....Paid to review? Paid to bash? IDK. Maybe just being skeptical. I mean who can we trust anymore. |
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2/16/12 11:49:28 PM#260
Originally posted by sidhaethe Yes its Tera has pretty standard dull quest syste, its normal plain but by no means bad. They are reasonable and give good exp award and have quest help if you choice to ask for it. Alt-friendliness wise well lvling in Tera you can cap in about 1 month if you play decent amount and cap in 2 month if you play casual. Thats pretty alt friendly and good lvling scale for a korean mmorpg. The lvl system is pretty much westernized. But if you want something like WoW where you cap in like 3 days well than i don't see value in the character really. Lvling is not a grind fest by any means even in the Korean Tera. Anyone that play will tell you you can cap in 2 month playing casual. As for open world shared objective, not sure if you want or don't want this. But Tera is broken in to areas that guild can taken control, there are BAM's (bigassmonster) basicaly pretty epic boss monster, they are kinda like dungeon bosses but as an elite mob. Also pvp server is open world pvp. So idk if that what your looking for? Well said on the last part, for me the combat plays over the quest flaws because here is my logic, ok quest is standard yes but hey the combat make it fun to go kill 10 rats, sure quest seem pointless and dull but hey the process is fun. And to me quest is a means to an end, honestly even GW2 chances are your going to cap in about 1-2 month than quest means pretty much nothing because well you don't need to lvl any more. So i mean dull quest sure but what keep me playing is the combat so i can deal with dull quest or just farm BAM and feel like i'm playing monster hunter =D |
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