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  BilboDoggins

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Joined: 1/20/12
Posts: 205

2/12/12 3:14:28 PM#41
Originally posted by patsfan32

The funniest thing in all of this is that on average the people saying the game is dead and guild is dying are rpublic players, while the everything is fine pop is great! crew is often Empire...

On my server i made an empire just too see how bad it is or if people are over reacting, on rep fleet 34 people on, Empire fleet 207 haha. So ya in these arguments people really need to say what side of the fense you are on cause it makes a huge difference in how you see the game.

edit: just wanted to throw in a p.s that these numbers were taken during est prime time. Cause I know people will demand that info lol

My guild is Empire on one of the pre-order severs with one the highest population.

 

Of course the fleet is still going to have a ton of people because its been a month and a half since release and the majority of people are max level and stand around in the fleet most of the time. Most of the planets you lvl up with that used to have 50-200 people are like 0-20 now.

 

SWTOR isnt dead and it isnt dying. But anyone who claims it isn't bleeding subs is kidding themselves. SWTOR will eventually get made into a decent game and because it is SWTOR it will maintain a healthy number of people. 300k-500k is my guess. But Bioware missed their chance. If this game had been good from the outset it would have kept many more and possibly have grown. It didnt. Now it will be just another game which tried to copy WoW and beat them at their own game.

  sanosukex

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Joined: 4/08/05
Posts: 1857

2/12/12 3:17:16 PM#42
Originally posted by Starpower
Originally posted by sanosukex
Originally posted by Starpower
 

Sounds to me you base your entire argument on you being bad at chosing guilds. First step to remedy that is not to accept random invites

 

I could be the author of your post 5 years ago on WoWs main forums, back when I made some poor choices joining guilds going nowhere myself

many people are playing in guilds are mostly their own friends.. not much you can do when all your friends ditch the game...

Most of my gaming friends started with EQ just like myself. They all long for tha era of gaming of open worlds, camp spots and fun world pvp with consequences. They all quit except 1. All that just shows me I'm part of a group of friends who wish it was 99 again

funny because me and several others stopped playing because many aspects of the game feel like 1999 again... also more than half my firends who played were first time MMOers and none could get past the first month.. it was for various reason but most just said they had no desire to log in..

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/339443/Video-FollowUp-Guide-For-Enhancing-Graphics-and-Performance-in-SWTORSorry-still-Nvidia-Only.html

  User Deleted
2/12/12 3:19:21 PM#43
Originally posted by BilboDoggins
Originally posted by patsfan32

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<>300k-500k is my guess. But Bioware missed their chance. <>

Didn't BioW say that with 500k they'd be profitable? Anything below that and it's officially a bust. No?

  Bunks

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Joined: 1/08/12
Posts: 987

2/12/12 3:21:38 PM#44
Originally posted by NBlitz
Originally posted by BilboDoggins
Originally posted by patsfan32

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<>300k-500k is my guess. But Bioware missed their chance. <>

Didn't BioW say that with 500k they'd be profitable? Anything below that and it's officially a bust. No?

actually after the Q&A on 2/1/11 call, they said 500k to break even now and a million to be slightly profitable. (cost overuns are a bitch)

  Opapanax

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Joined: 10/29/11
Posts: 983

Most Morbid One

2/12/12 3:21:52 PM#45

Vulkars Highway, normally standard EST PVP Server..

Opapanax Empire side of course.. I've told my GM straight up to just check out The Secret World and let me know what he thinks..

We are a good sized guild. I think the count is about 85-90 members currently. Honestly there's maybe 15-20 that log on a semi-regular basis. That's minus 1 now though since I've unsubbscribbed last week and my last time in game lasted all of one warzone to test something. We also had another one of our 50's quit the week before.

The avg. number I see on Fleet is 180 - the low 200's. Well if that's correct then we either have a guild full of people that rolled alts and have them in the guild or a bunch of people simply left the game. When I go to Illum it's pure pain. Highs can be in the 60's - 70's and this is ONLY on Tues when they reset the weeklies. Others days are more than bland and finding Republics is even harder than getting one of the boxes in the middle.

There's little spurts throughout the day as to be expected; well not really expected. You EXPECT it to be busy all the time, but maybe this isn't how a majority of successful MMO's work I don't know I could be complete anti-Star Wars derp that's just trolling the shit out of a crap title that really deserves most of it. Or.. I could be telling the dead ass truth...

You decide....

I don't even want to attempt to roll a Jedi toon. Even going through the character creation process, it's just not worth it anymore to play (or at least PAY) SWTOR at this time I don't think I'll ever return to this game. The way the world is built and how closed in everything is by the "pathing" is unchangable. It's the core of their design and it will never change, so if your one of those waiting around to see if that part does evolve..

Sorry not happening..

Bioware will be merging servers in Patch 1.2.. What more information do you need about population decline. Could it be them trying to adjust the populations? - Like adding servers with more Republics to servers with more Empire.. Maybe.. But why not just cap the population and only have one faction able to be rolled? - Possibly because there just aren't enough PLAYERS in SWTOR to do that and the decline tells them that servers will never be equal even if only one side is able to be rolled.

PM before you report at least or you could just block.

  StonesDK

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Joined: 8/06/11
Posts: 1836

2/12/12 3:22:27 PM#46
Originally posted by Wickedjelly

Sounds to me you base your entire argument on you being bad at chosing guilds. First step to remidy that is not to accept random invites

Not only did you clearly not read the majority of my post, but you also pretty much proved one of my points. Doubt you even realize it.

Thank you :)

I actually thought it would take a bit longer.

Far as what I said? If the shoe fits...

Plenty of other things you could say. Ignorant, self absorbed, etc. so what difference does it make? I mean why is it perfectly acceptable for them to equate people having problems with the game regardless the issue is somehow their incompetence or personal issue but to hold those accusers in the same light is somehow bad form?

Give me a break...

Least most of them are referring to their personal experience and not everyone as a whole. Unlike some others that make assumptions for everyone.

Look

You are allowed to have issues with the game. If you told me PvP sucks and the game is a lobby instanced hellhole. You are more than welcome to make that point to me. I won't even argue with you because you are allowed to have that view. I know there are people here who would argue against it but to me arguing against tastes and opinions about games is like competing in the special olympics

 

That is not what I came here to discuss. I came here to discuss if the game is declining in a rapid rate and the so called proof.

 

Point A. Bioware has indeed changed server caps several times both during beta and during launch. The first week where servers had queues bioware upped the cap on how many people could join to relieve the queues. That caused the server which before said "full" now to show "heavy". Did people unsubscribe after a week making room for more?: No the cap got changed. Yet people started posting graphs how "full" "very heavy" "heavy" was an indicator of people leaving. This makes graphs without any real numbers suspect at the very least.

 

Point B. This lends to the end of point A. Since Bioware can define and manipulate cap and what constitutes as full or heavy to suit their lets call it tinfoil hat theory of trying to manipulate you the player to believe there are more playing than there actually are. Again proves that graphs and trends from third party sites are useless.

 

Point C. Whatever personal experince you have with two guilds just shows poor judgement on your part. If you say that supports what you are already saying then we are in agreement. Ones personal experience with your own guild is no guideline of anything

  User Deleted
2/12/12 3:22:38 PM#47
Originally posted by Bunks
Originally posted by NBlitz
Originally posted by BilboDoggins
Originally posted by patsfan32

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<>300k-500k is my guess. But Bioware missed their chance. <>

Didn't BioW say that with 500k they'd be profitable? Anything below that and it's officially a bust. No?

actually after the Q&A on 2/1/11 call, they said 500k to break even now and a million to be slightly profitable. (cost overuns are a bitch)

Wow, OK, thanks.

 

Holy guacamole. They need to hit it out of the park.

  StonesDK

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Joined: 8/06/11
Posts: 1836

2/12/12 3:23:34 PM#48
Originally posted by sanosukex
Originally posted by Starpower
Originally posted by sanosukex
Originally posted by Starpower
 

Sounds to me you base your entire argument on you being bad at chosing guilds. First step to remedy that is not to accept random invites

 

I could be the author of your post 5 years ago on WoWs main forums, back when I made some poor choices joining guilds going nowhere myself

many people are playing in guilds are mostly their own friends.. not much you can do when all your friends ditch the game...

Most of my gaming friends started with EQ just like myself. They all long for tha era of gaming of open worlds, camp spots and fun world pvp with consequences. They all quit except 1. All that just shows me I'm part of a group of friends who wish it was 99 again

funny because me and several others stopped playing because many aspects of the game feel like 1999 again... also more than half my firends who played were first time MMOers and none could get past the first month.. it was for various reason but most just said they had no desire to log in..

I'm curious to what MMO from 99 this game feels like. It would help if you name some features

  User Deleted
2/12/12 3:24:32 PM#49
Originally posted by MosesZD
Originally posted by holifeet
Originally posted by Zlayer77

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=294210

Lots of other threads but I think this one just shows that the mayority is either leaving.. on the fence or just to blind to see what is going on...

 

So the majority of SWTOR players fit on 11 pages of replies to a single thread do they?

The way you put it anyone that says they might leave one day is leaving asap, and anyone that is basing their decision on other games is on the fence umming and aahing. Anyone who wants to stay and enjoy the great game that SWTOR is is blind.

I think that last fact opens your bias up for the whole forum to see.

First it was month one, and everyone predicted the end of SWTOR. Month one passed and everything is going good. The servers are still busy and people are happily enjoying the game. So now the attention turns to the end of month two.

Are we going to have a 'SWTOR is going to die' thread from people at the end of every month?

Find something better to do with your time, people. Making up trends from a few pages of replies is a sign of madness.

 

Here's the deal, you don't have to be a rocket scientist to see what's going on with the game.    In January they sold 300K copies of the game.    That was, essentially, a 20% increase in the install base.   espite that, server traffic dropped 40% from January 7th to January 28th.   It has continuted to drop.

 

In February, to hide the drop in server traffic, BioWare changed the sever-status thresholds to make people think the servers were more populated than they were.

On February 1st,  3% of servers registered as heavy.  60% registered as light.

On February 2nd, 3% of servers registered as heavy.  54% registered as light.

On February 3rd, 2% of servers registered as heavy.   58% registered as light.

 

On February 4th, 18% of servers registered as heavy and only 32% registered as light.  

On February 5th, it was 25% heavy and 31% light.

Those numbers on the 4th and 5th were barely behind peak post-holiday useage on the 7th and 8th of January.    The game had not even approached those numbers since January 15th and 16th.     Further, now the weekly load is averaging over 10% heavy and peaking at 25% on the weekends...

Sales are down.  People have been clearly leaving...   Yet, (not) mysteriously the servers suddenly have bigger populations?   You believe that?   You believe an MMO that only sold 45K (or so) units the week in question can increase server  population that dramatically?   Over 215 servers?    Really?

 

Whatever...

 

I'm assuming these are US servers? I play in the EU and it's a fact that on release 100% of the servers were heavy, now it's probably 1% with the rest mostly Standard with a few Light and I see more Light appearing every week. The are FACTS, make of them what you will

  User Deleted
2/12/12 3:26:22 PM#50
Originally posted by Eliandal
Originally posted by BilboDoggins

All I have to do to see this game is rapidly declining is look at my guild where we have 110 members and in the last 20 days only about 30 have logged in. Of those 30 maybe 10 play daily.

I have played many mnay MMO's and SWTOR is just lacking to many damned features, has to mnay bugs, and a boring and poorly designed endgame. I'm not telling anyone they have to dislike SWTOR but it's pretty obvious a TON of people feel the same way about it as me. Outside of the story this game has nothing new or better to offer and story offers little replayability unless you are an altaholic.

 

 

  Ooohh..I can play that game too....Two weeks ago, my guild only had a little overf 100 people on average logging in - but this weekend - we had over 200!

 

  What's your point again?

 

What's yours?

My God there are some fools on here. Total denial as usual from the Biodroid. I don't care, your precious game sucks, see you in GW2.

  Wickedjelly

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Joined: 4/19/09
Posts: 5064

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2/12/12 3:26:52 PM#51
Originally posted by Starpower

Look

You are allowed to have issues with the game. If you told me PvP sucks and the game is a lobby instanced hellhole. You are more than welcome to make that point to me. I won't even argue with you because you are allowed to have that view. I know there are people here who would argue against it but to me arguing against tastes and opinions about games is like competing in the special olympics

 

That is not what I came here to discuss. I came here to discuss if the game is declining in a rapid rate and the so called proof.

 

Point A. Bioware has indeed changed server caps several times both during beta and during launch. The first week where servers had queues bioware upped the cap on how many people could join to relieve the queues. That caused the server which before said "full" now to show "heavy". Did people unsubscribe after a week making room for more?: No the cap got changed. Yet people started posting graphs how "full" "very heavy" "heavy" was an indicator of people leaving. This makes graphs without any real numbers suspect at the very least.

 

Point B. This lends to the end of point A. Since Bioware can define and manipulate cap and what constitutes as full or heavy to suit their lets call it tinfoil hat theory of trying to manipulate you the player to believe there are more playing than there actually are. Again proves that graphs and trends from third party sites are useless.

 

Point C. Whatever personal experince you have with two guilds just shows poor judgement on your part. If you say that supports what you are already saying then we are in agreement. Ones personal experience with your own guild is no guideline of anything

 

Point B.

I don't know why you're so stuck on the guild thing. Only reason I mentioned it was to relate my experiences with the poster I quoted. Wasn't trying to prove anything with that bit so not sure why you keep bringing it up.

My opinions as to the state of the server is what I see in game on planets, fleet, and talking to others. Has nothing to do with my guild experiences.

...and its just my server. As I said I cannot speak to the state of the game as a whole. I have no idea outside what I have seen on the two servers I have played on.

1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.

2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.

3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.

  dubyahite

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2/12/12 3:29:59 PM#52
Server status measures concurrency not subscriptions.


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  User Deleted
2/12/12 3:31:19 PM#53
Originally posted by sanosukex
Originally posted by Starpower
 

Sounds to me you base your entire argument on you being bad at chosing guilds. First step to remedy that is not to accept random invites

 

I could be the author of your post 5 years ago on WoWs main forums, back when I made some poor choices joining guilds going nowhere myself

many people are playing in guilds are mostly their own friends.. not much you can do when all your friends ditch the game...

 

You follow them to the next game. Wisely several of my friends held fire on ordering ToR and now two months in they won't be playing it based on the experiences of myself and other friends who did play. I wonder how many more people there are out there whose friends have left and told them 'don't bother'?

  Hrica

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2/12/12 3:34:35 PM#54

I see your a big Tera fan by your posts, SW let you down?

  tyrannis

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2/12/12 3:38:23 PM#55

Since I quit, after leveling two char's to 50. I have not looked at any video or threads directly about swtor. I find that works best for me. I see all the post about it in other threads and most are doom threads and such. I don't have any ill will toward the game or Bioware, none that I care to share anyway. As I see it, if you can't see the picture for yourself then it's because you don't want to see it.

The OP's post made me look though, and I''ll say right now I'm so glad I bailed when I did. I won't ever be resubing either. Not in a year or two or any time period.

 

##Best SWTOR of 2011
Posted by I_Return - SWTOR - "Forget the UI the characters and all ofhe nitpicking bullshit" "Greatest MMO Ever Created"

##Fail Thread Title of 2011
Originally posted by daveospice
"this game looks like crap?"

  Wickedjelly

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2/12/12 3:42:33 PM#56
Originally posted by tyrannis

The OP's post made me look though, and I''ll say right now I'm so glad I bailed when I did. I won't ever be resubing either. Not in a year or two or any time period.

 

Really? Even if and when they come out with an expansion?

Not gonna lie, I really doubt this is a long term game for me. In fact, I believe since I am just about 50 that my days are numbered because frankly I have no desire to make an alt and go through those planets again. So unless there is some killer endgame....anywho...

Never thought it would be a long term game for me anyways. Gotta say though I would probably check it out from time to time or least when they had an expansion unless it was a disaster.

1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.

2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.

3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.

  doorb7

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2/12/12 3:46:17 PM#57

Game comes out, loads of ppl buy it, some stay, some leave, everything evens out. happens with every game. will swtor match wow numbers anytime soon if ever, hell no, will it fail, again hello no and anyone who thinks it will is deluded or just wishful thinking to proect their own favoured game.

  sanosukex

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2/12/12 3:47:26 PM#58
Originally posted by Wickedjelly
Originally posted by tyrannis

The OP's post made me look though, and I''ll say right now I'm so glad I bailed when I did. I won't ever be resubing either. Not in a year or two or any time period.

 

Really? Even if and when they come out with an expansion?

Not gonna lie, I really doubt this is a long term game for me. In fact, I believe since I am just about 50 that my days are numbered because frankly I have no desire to make an alt and go through those planets again. So unless there is some killer endgame....anywho...

Never thought it would be a long term game for me anyways. Gotta say though I would probably check it out from time to time or least when they had an expansion unless it was a disaster.

expansions hardly ever change complete core aspects of the game aside from maybe skills or adding a new class/race.. I quit wow right after BC and since then never had even the slightest urge to try WotLK or Cata or the upcoming pandas expansion.. just depends on the game and the reasons you left i suppose..

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/339443/Video-FollowUp-Guide-For-Enhancing-Graphics-and-Performance-in-SWTORSorry-still-Nvidia-Only.html

  Bossalinie

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2/12/12 3:50:37 PM#59
Originally posted by Matt_UK
Originally posted by Eliandal
Originally posted by BilboDoggins

All I have to do to see this game is rapidly declining is look at my guild where we have 110 members and in the last 20 days only about 30 have logged in. Of those 30 maybe 10 play daily.

I have played many mnay MMO's and SWTOR is just lacking to many damned features, has to mnay bugs, and a boring and poorly designed endgame. I'm not telling anyone they have to dislike SWTOR but it's pretty obvious a TON of people feel the same way about it as me. Outside of the story this game has nothing new or better to offer and story offers little replayability unless you are an altaholic.

 

 

  Ooohh..I can play that game too....Two weeks ago, my guild only had a little overf 100 people on average logging in - but this weekend - we had over 200!

 

  What's your point again?

 

What's yours?

My God there are some fools on here. Total denial as usual from the Biodroid. I don't care, your precious game sucks, see you in GW2.

Sounds like you care more than you want to let on...

  jacklo

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2/12/12 3:53:04 PM#60

Wow, there's so much clutching at straws by the fanboys here.

I see that:

  • Graphs and stats mean nothing.
  • Forums mean nothing.
  • You chose the wrong guild, that's why they're leaving.
  • BW told you what the game was going to be like.
  • My server is getting busier.
  • Yada yada yada...

It's laughable the lengths some people will go to, to deny the game is tanking.

It's so damned obvious at this point, you are beginning to look like idiots.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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