Originally posted by Marchosias31

PAID 160 DOLLARS FOR THE CE

I never understand people paying hundreds of dollars for something that's unfinished at that point and of which there's no guarantee that you'll like it.

Originally posted by Yamota

I think people need to come to the realization that SW:TOR has a beginning (lvl 1) and an end (lvl 50). The game does not seem to be designed to keep playing at level 50 but rather the two choices you have is either reroll or quit.

More over the game is not a PvP centered game and will always get a backseat to PvE.

I don't think either of those are opinions but rather facts and if people accept those facts they would be less dissapointed. That does not mean I agree with those two aspects of the game (I don't) but it is what it is.

    The first part I can not agree with.  As a Themepark game, it has more "end game" options at release than almost every game to come out since WoW, heck, even including WoW.  Rerolling and quitting are of course option, but by no means the only two options as you stated.

    I do mostly agree with your PvP statement.  I personally feel the PvP available at release is also better, and much more varied, than almost every other themepark game, but I do not see the game as being PvP centered.  Then again, few themepark games are PvP centered.

    As for disappointment, I think the biggest drive in that is the same problem that comes out with almost every release.  Overblown expectations.  BioWare was very honest about what this game was going to be.  Were they excited about the game they were making?  Of course.  But I personally do not feel I was ever mislead either.  Then again, I am pretty good at decoding marketing speech and actually looking past that, so my expectations were well within the reasonable range.

Originally posted by JeroKane

Seriously! Some of you people are EXTREMELY selfish and egocentric! " If it ain't happen to me, there ain't a problem! "

/facepalm ! 

    Never said that.  What I said was I have seen people complaining of bugs, that were not bugs.  Even thought I had a few myself, but going back and taking a better look showed me otherwise.

    As for "EXTREMELY selfish and egocentric", maybe you should try looking from the other side.  Maybe just because it happened to you DOES NOT mean it happens to everyone as you seem to infer.  I will admit to wondering about peoples actual experiences though when they complain about game breaking bugs, like yours, that I can never seem to be hit by.  If it looks like a fish, smells like a fish, and tastes like a fish, I am inclined to believe it is a fish after all.

Originally posted by GMan3

Originally posted by Yamota

I think people need to come to the realization that SW:TOR has a beginning (lvl 1) and an end (lvl 50). The game does not seem to be designed to keep playing at level 50 but rather the two choices you have is either reroll or quit.

More over the game is not a PvP centered game and will always get a backseat to PvE.

I don't think either of those are opinions but rather facts and if people accept those facts they would be less dissapointed. That does not mean I agree with those two aspects of the game (I don't) but it is what it is.

    The first part I can not agree with.  As a Themepark game, it has more "end game" options at release than almost every game to come out since WoW, heck, even including WoW.  Rerolling and quitting are of course option, but by no means the only two options as you stated.

    I do mostly agree with your PvP statement.  I personally feel the PvP available at release is also better, and much more varied, than almost every other themepark game, but I do not see the game as being PvP centered.  Then again, few themepark games are PvP centered.

    As for disappointment, I think the biggest drive in that is the same problem that comes out with almost every release.  Overblown expectations.  BioWare was very honest about what this game was going to be.  Were they excited about the game they were making?  Of course.  But I personally do not feel I was ever mislead either.  Then again, I am pretty good at decoding marketing speech and actually looking past that, so my expectations were well within the reasonable range.

Ehh what??  the overblown expectations where created by noone but EA and Bioware themselves!

When you boast time and again that you have a whole dedicated team of experts working on PVP and that this game will have the most awesome PVP ever!   Then you can expect that a lot of PVP minded customers will flock to your game and call you on that promise!

So the whole outcry regarding the shambles that is PVP is VERY justified!  As they have been lying through their teeth!

It really boggles the mind, as PVP in WAR was a ton more fun than in this game! And with the EXACT same devs working on PVP in this game, I am astonished how they could have screwed it up this bad. They have learned absolutely nothing from the issues that plagued WAR.

And don't even start on me with the whole HighRes texture debacle and what a shambles that one is and how they handled that one. /facepalm

Originally posted by JeroKane

Originally posted by GMan3

Originally posted by Yamota

I think people need to come to the realization that SW:TOR has a beginning (lvl 1) and an end (lvl 50). The game does not seem to be designed to keep playing at level 50 but rather the two choices you have is either reroll or quit.

More over the game is not a PvP centered game and will always get a backseat to PvE.

I don't think either of those are opinions but rather facts and if people accept those facts they would be less dissapointed. That does not mean I agree with those two aspects of the game (I don't) but it is what it is.

    The first part I can not agree with.  As a Themepark game, it has more "end game" options at release than almost every game to come out since WoW, heck, even including WoW.  Rerolling and quitting are of course option, but by no means the only two options as you stated.

    I do mostly agree with your PvP statement.  I personally feel the PvP available at release is also better, and much more varied, than almost every other themepark game, but I do not see the game as being PvP centered.  Then again, few themepark games are PvP centered.

    As for disappointment, I think the biggest drive in that is the same problem that comes out with almost every release.  Overblown expectations.  BioWare was very honest about what this game was going to be.  Were they excited about the game they were making?  Of course.  But I personally do not feel I was ever mislead either.  Then again, I am pretty good at decoding marketing speech and actually looking past that, so my expectations were well within the reasonable range.

Ehh what??  the overblown expectations where created by noone but EA and Bioware themselves!

When you boast time and again that you have a whole dedicated team of experts working on PVP and that this game will have the most awesome PVP ever!   Then you can expect that a lot of PVP minded customers will flock to your game and call you on that promise!

So the whole outcry regarding the shambles that is PVP is VERY justified!  As they have ben lying through their teeth!

And don't even start on me with the whole HighRes texture debacle and what a shambles that one is and how they handled that one. /facepalm 

    Except that expectations are created in the mind of a person, not placed there by an outside source.  YOU have the responsibility to look at what someone is claiming and making up your own interpretations of what the reality, for you, really is.  As for PvP, they claimed what they believed.  You feel differently.  That doesn't make them wrong, that means opinions differ.  Your expectations were created by YOU not taking a better look.  The information was out there, so the fault lies with you.

Originally posted by GMan3

Originally posted by JeroKane

Originally posted by GMan3

Originally posted by Yamota

I think people need to come to the realization that SW:TOR has a beginning (lvl 1) and an end (lvl 50). The game does not seem to be designed to keep playing at level 50 but rather the two choices you have is either reroll or quit.

More over the game is not a PvP centered game and will always get a backseat to PvE.

I don't think either of those are opinions but rather facts and if people accept those facts they would be less dissapointed. That does not mean I agree with those two aspects of the game (I don't) but it is what it is.

    The first part I can not agree with.  As a Themepark game, it has more "end game" options at release than almost every game to come out since WoW, heck, even including WoW.  Rerolling and quitting are of course option, but by no means the only two options as you stated.

    I do mostly agree with your PvP statement.  I personally feel the PvP available at release is also better, and much more varied, than almost every other themepark game, but I do not see the game as being PvP centered.  Then again, few themepark games are PvP centered.

    As for disappointment, I think the biggest drive in that is the same problem that comes out with almost every release.  Overblown expectations.  BioWare was very honest about what this game was going to be.  Were they excited about the game they were making?  Of course.  But I personally do not feel I was ever mislead either.  Then again, I am pretty good at decoding marketing speech and actually looking past that, so my expectations were well within the reasonable range.

Ehh what??  the overblown expectations where created by noone but EA and Bioware themselves!

When you boast time and again that you have a whole dedicated team of experts working on PVP and that this game will have the most awesome PVP ever!   Then you can expect that a lot of PVP minded customers will flock to your game and call you on that promise!

So the whole outcry regarding the shambles that is PVP is VERY justified!  As they have ben lying through their teeth!

And don't even start on me with the whole HighRes texture debacle and what a shambles that one is and how they handled that one. /facepalm 

    Except that expectations are created in the mind of a person, not placed there by an outside source.  YOU have the responsibility to look at what someone is claiming and making up your own interpretations of what the reality, for you, really is.  As for PvP, they claimed what they believed.  You feel differently.  That doesn't make them wrong, that means opinions differ.  Your expectations were created by YOU not taking a better look.  The information was out there, so the fault lies with you.

ROFL! Do you actually read what you're writing?

So when I order a Ferari and then a couple months later get it finally delivered, but discover that it's only a Ferari on the outside, but the engine is 1.4 volkswagen.  Then it's my fault?? Because you expect me to go all the way to the factory in Italy and check that what I order is actually being made and put together?  LOL! /facepalm

Seriously! As long as there are people like you, developers in the game industry can continue to get away with crap like this and false advertisment!

Originally posted by wrekognize

awww you poor themepark players.

Ironically, Theme Park is better than ToR :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQHm5gzVMt0&feature=related

Originally posted by JeroKane

Originally posted by GMan3

Originally posted by JeroKane

Originally posted by GMan3

Originally posted by Yamota

I think people need to come to the realization that SW:TOR has a beginning (lvl 1) and an end (lvl 50). The game does not seem to be designed to keep playing at level 50 but rather the two choices you have is either reroll or quit.

More over the game is not a PvP centered game and will always get a backseat to PvE.

I don't think either of those are opinions but rather facts and if people accept those facts they would be less dissapointed. That does not mean I agree with those two aspects of the game (I don't) but it is what it is.

    The first part I can not agree with.  As a Themepark game, it has more "end game" options at release than almost every game to come out since WoW, heck, even including WoW.  Rerolling and quitting are of course option, but by no means the only two options as you stated.

    I do mostly agree with your PvP statement.  I personally feel the PvP available at release is also better, and much more varied, than almost every other themepark game, but I do not see the game as being PvP centered.  Then again, few themepark games are PvP centered.

    As for disappointment, I think the biggest drive in that is the same problem that comes out with almost every release.  Overblown expectations.  BioWare was very honest about what this game was going to be.  Were they excited about the game they were making?  Of course.  But I personally do not feel I was ever mislead either.  Then again, I am pretty good at decoding marketing speech and actually looking past that, so my expectations were well within the reasonable range.

Ehh what??  the overblown expectations where created by noone but EA and Bioware themselves!

When you boast time and again that you have a whole dedicated team of experts working on PVP and that this game will have the most awesome PVP ever!   Then you can expect that a lot of PVP minded customers will flock to your game and call you on that promise!

So the whole outcry regarding the shambles that is PVP is VERY justified!  As they have ben lying through their teeth!

And don't even start on me with the whole HighRes texture debacle and what a shambles that one is and how they handled that one. /facepalm 

    Except that expectations are created in the mind of a person, not placed there by an outside source.  YOU have the responsibility to look at what someone is claiming and making up your own interpretations of what the reality, for you, really is.  As for PvP, they claimed what they believed.  You feel differently.  That doesn't make them wrong, that means opinions differ.  Your expectations were created by YOU not taking a better look.  The information was out there, so the fault lies with you.

ROFL! Do you actually read what you're writing?

So when I order a Ferari and then a couple months later get it finally delivered, but discover that it's only a Ferari on the outside, but the engine is 1.4 volkswagen.  Then it's my fault?? Because you expect me to go all the way to the factory in Italy and check that what I order is actually being made and put together?  LOL! /facepalm

Seriously! As long as there are people like you, developers in the game industry can continue to get away with crap like this and false advertisment!

 

 

Actually I cannot understand why people are moaning. BW lifted NDA a month before release plus there were multiple weekend stress tests. Even before that there were hours of beta footages all over the internet. Everyone  not 100% mentally challenged could see or try the game, cancel pre-order or pre-order/buy it. It's amazing how helpless some people are and no wonder our economy is so fucked. As a former "hater" I pre-ordered SWTOR after trying it on a couple of beta weekends. Not an amazing game but good enough for me to play couple of nights every week. 

Originally posted by Ravenspen
According to you post history I'm supprised you ever subbed. You were disapointed way back in november.

Okay, so these are crockadile tears being shed. Kind of hard to take a poster's anger and sadness seriously when he hated the game before it came out.

What is it with some people around here? What is the point of generating faux outrage on a third party site? Do they really think other opinions will be swayed by manufacturing dissent? I'm just curious.

Originally posted by JeroKane

Originally posted by GMan3

...

    As for disappointment, I think the biggest drive in that is the same problem that comes out with almost every release.  Overblown expectations.  BioWare was very honest about what this game was going to be.  Were they excited about the game they were making?  Of course.  But I personally do not feel I was ever mislead either.  Then again, I am pretty good at decoding marketing speech and actually looking past that, so my expectations were well within the reasonable range.

Ehh what??  the overblown expectations where created by noone but EA and Bioware themselves!

When you boast time and again that you have a whole dedicated team of experts working on PVP and that this game will have the most awesome PVP ever!   Then you can expect that a lot of PVP minded customers will flock to your game and call you on that promise!

So the whole outcry regarding the shambles that is PVP is VERY justified!  As they have been lying through their teeth!

It really boggles the mind, as PVP in WAR was a ton more fun than in this game! And with the EXACT same devs working on PVP in this game, I am astonished how they could have screwed it up this bad. They have learned absolutely nothing from the issues that plagued WAR. 

 

Yes I am very surprised by this as well because I got really excited when they announced that they have same people working on the PvP which worked on WAR. So I thought they would have learned and improved on WARs PvP but they did nothing of the sort. Huge dissapointment I would say.

But then again, regardless of what they said, SW:TOR is a sub-par PvP game so people should not be expecting much. I know I am not anymore. I am just playing for the class story lines and will quit once I am done with those.

Originally posted by JeroKane

Originally posted by GMan3

Originally posted by JeroKane 

Originally posted by GMan3  

Originally posted by Yamota

I think people need to come to the realization that SW:TOR has a beginning (lvl 1) and an end (lvl 50). The game does not seem to be designed to keep playing at level 50 but rather the two choices you have is either reroll or quit.

More over the game is not a PvP centered game and will always get a backseat to PvE.

I don't think either of those are opinions but rather facts and if people accept those facts they would be less dissapointed. That does not mean I agree with those two aspects of the game (I don't) but it is what it is.

    The first part I can not agree with.  As a Themepark game, it has more "end game" options at release than almost every game to come out since WoW, heck, even including WoW.  Rerolling and quitting are of course option, but by no means the only two options as you stated.

    I do mostly agree with your PvP statement.  I personally feel the PvP available at release is also better, and much more varied, than almost every other themepark game, but I do not see the game as being PvP centered.  Then again, few themepark games are PvP centered.

    As for disappointment, I think the biggest drive in that is the same problem that comes out with almost every release.  Overblown expectations.  BioWare was very honest about what this game was going to be.  Were they excited about the game they were making?  Of course.  But I personally do not feel I was ever mislead either.  Then again, I am pretty good at decoding marketing speech and actually looking past that, so my expectations were well within the reasonable range.

Ehh what??  the overblown expectations where created by noone but EA and Bioware themselves!

When you boast time and again that you have a whole dedicated team of experts working on PVP and that this game will have the most awesome PVP ever!   Then you can expect that a lot of PVP minded customers will flock to your game and call you on that promise!

So the whole outcry regarding the shambles that is PVP is VERY justified!  As they have ben lying through their teeth!

And don't even start on me with the whole HighRes texture debacle and what a shambles that one is and how they handled that one. /facepalm 

    Except that expectations are created in the mind of a person, not placed there by an outside source.  YOU have the responsibility to look at what someone is claiming and making up your own interpretations of what the reality, for you, really is.  As for PvP, they claimed what they believed.  You feel differently.  That doesn't make them wrong, that means opinions differ.  Your expectations were created by YOU not taking a better look.  The information was out there, so the fault lies with you.

ROFL! Do you actually read what you're writing?

So when I order a Ferari and then a couple months later get it finally delivered, but discover that it's only a Ferari on the outside, but the engine is 1.4 volkswagen.  Then it's my fault?? Because you expect me to go all the way to the factory in Italy and check that what I order is actually being made and put together?  LOL! /facepalm

Seriously! As long as there are people like you, developers in the game industry can continue to get away with crap like this and false advertisment! 

    No, I would expect you to have the intelligence to do the research to find out all the specs of such an expensive purchase, just like I did for buying this game, which was considerably less in case you didn't know.  The information was out there.  The Beta Weekends were easy to get into.  The NDA was dropped well in advance of ANYONE actually buying the game.  If you are now disappointed with what you got, it is YOUR fault, not BioWare's.  They were VERY clear on the type of game they were producing.  You were not smart in the research you did and therefore had overblown expectations.  Maybe next time you will have learned your lesson.

I don't think anyone can be surprized at what SWTOR is and isn't.

BW/EA has been saying what SWTOR is for the past 3+ years while it was in development, plus the beta, plus the early NDA lifts etc.

Other than putting a giant sign on every building I can't imagine what BW/EA could have done more.

Originally posted by ktanner3

Originally posted by Ravenspen
According to you post history I'm supprised you ever subbed. You were disapointed way back in november.

Okay, so these are crockadile tears being shed. Kind of hard to take a poster's anger and sadness seriously when he hated the game before it came out.

What is it with some people around here? What is the point of generating faux outrage on a third party site? Do they really think other opinions will be swayed by manufacturing dissent? I'm just curious.

It gets them few minutes of much needed attention maybe?

Seems to me most people have issue with how PVP is working in game.

THANK GOD I dont care much about pvp :P

Originally posted by zakiyawow

Seems to me most people have issue with how PVP is working in game.

THANK GOD I dont care much about pvp :P

THIS !

I noticed that the majority of these whine posts (the ones i have read) seem to be more P'Oed about the PvP than anything else. Clearly thats what the OP is disgruntled about.

I dont know the comment or quote, but i seem to remember Bioware stating this game was about the PvE not PvP.

Oh well coming into a game with expectations for something not promised seems a bit shortsighted. 

I thought it was common knowledge to all MMO vets that if you want a better, more complete, less buggy etc experience then you don't play a new game in the first 6 months.

Originally posted by Voiidiin

Originally posted by zakiyawow

Seems to me most people have issue with how PVP is working in game.

THANK GOD I dont care much about pvp :P

THIS !

I noticed that the majority of these whine posts (the ones i have read) seem to be more P'Oed about the PvP than anything else. Clearly thats what the OP is disgruntled about.

I dont know the comment or quote, but i seem to remember Bioware stating this game was about the PvE not PvP.

Oh well coming into a game with expectations for something not promised seems a bit shortsighted. 

I am also more into PVE than PVP, hence why I am still subbed (or I would have unsubbed already).

But what you say it's not true! There have been many developer videos and articles with them boasting PVP and how incredible it will be, them bragging that they had a full dedicated team of experts working on it! Including former devs from WAR.

So yes, I can feel for the PVP'ers being shafted and deceived by this whole debacle!

WAR's PVP had a ton of issues, but it was still tons more fun than PVP currently is in SW:TOR!  And them having the exact same devs on this game, is what infuriates people most!  As you would expect them to at least have LEARNED from their MISTAKES on Warhammer Online (WAR) and don't repeat them in this game all over again!

But foremost! People expected the PVP to be at least as good as it was in WAR and not the total opposite as it is now. That really baffles me the most. How they could have screwed it up so badly, when they have been working years on WAR before.

What lack of end game conent?

I am lvl 50 and hardly have any of the great gear.  You havee 2 diffeent Operations with 3 difficulyy levels as well as HM Flash Points.

and warzones are fun.

Originally posted by JeroKane

 

I am also more into PVE than PVP, hence why I am still subbed (or I would have unsubbed already).

But what you say it's not true! There have been many developer videos and articles with them boasting PVP and how incredible it will be, them bragging that they had a full dedicated team of experts working on it! Including former devs from WAR.

So yes, I can feel for the PVP'ers being shafted and deceived by this whole debacle!

WAR's PVP had a ton of issues, but it was still tons more fun than PVP currently is in SW:TOR!  And them having the exact same devs on this game, is what infuriates people most!  As you would expect them to at least have LEARNED from their MISTAKES on Warhammer Online (WAR) and don't repeat them in this game all over again!

But foremost! People expected the PVP to be at least as good as it was in WAR and not the total opposite as it is now. That really baffles me the most. How they could have screwed it up so badly, when they have been working years on WAR before.

I think the problem is too many different type of whining makes it harder for developer.

I have heard

1. OMG this class is OP, nerf it

2. OMG I can't do this and that, buff me

3. Fix this now

4. Fix that now

5. Not to mention a lot of beta players problem did not report what makes the class they want to play strong. People always say they want a fair pvp in game. In reality, a lot of people prefer that EDGE. Now the game is released, all the hidden protencial problem start to surface. I only blame those beta testers that did not do their job. Intentioal or not ( I am betting on the first )

In a nutshell, that is how most MMO PVP sucks at the end. Everyone wants some edge over others. No body wins when everything is said and done.