Scumbags.

Originally posted by ShardWarrior

Originally posted by AdamTM

Originally posted by ShardWarrior

Get ready for "Cardassian Lock Boxes"!   http://www.startrekonline.com/node/2864

 

So there is a chance you will get a Cardassian Ship or other cool stuff as a drop in game.... awesome right?  Well, keep on reading...

 

"To open one of the Lock Boxes, a character will also need an item called a Master Key. Master Keys can be purchased in the C-Store for 100 CP, or in a 10-pack for 900 CP. If you attempt to open a Lock Box without a Master Key, you will get a message explaining that you need one. If you have more than one Master Key, then only one key will be consumed each time you open a Lock Box."

 

So, in order to see what is in that spiffy loot box you just got... hand over 100 C-Points for it. 

I'm ok with this.

It is expected for the apologists to be ok with anything Cryptic does.

Since when did i become an apologist lol?

Seriously.

Competition in f2p and freemium market in NA & EU increase drastically almost every month.

Playerbase is not growiwng that fast. Same people just playing few games at same time and /or hopping between them.

Many games competing for same wallets. What that mean?

You'll see more and more things like that in other f2p / freemium games. There are sales plan to do for supervisors and financial quarterly revenues to show investors and shareholders.

MMO including mmorpg market is on fast-track to copy Asian market.

Few big p2p titles + maybe few indie p2p titles+veeeery few B2P titles+ ALOOOOT of f2p & freemium titles , many with cash shops MUCH more influential , big and expansive than in 'early freemium days in west'.

Say 'bai' to cash shops only offering vanity items :)

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Originally posted by Cacaphony

 

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Originally posted by ShardWarrior

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Originally posted by Cacaphony
Some intersting tweets being made by Thomasthecat about this.
Here

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Utterly fascinating to read him trying to say these are different than the holiday gift boxes.

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I think he is enjoying this.

He's Loling at you guys!

Like I said. 

Western mmorpg market and f2p system is heading into asian style f2p. Well actally it is asian style + 'optional' sub so it is worse lol

So noone will say it in capital letter but in those f2p games ,you have to "suck it up or gtfo and stop playing f2p games". Bitching on forms won't change microtransaction directions.

F2P / freemium market is getting more and more saturated and it will get even more saturated so game companies will be forced to use dirtier "shop sales" to get money.

Preety simple actually.

Originally posted by Loke666

SOE have a similar thing with EQ2, you need to subscribe to be able to use the cooler loot you have collected.

But at least you unlock the ENTIRE game when subscribing! Same in LOTRO and DDO!

But for Cryptic subscribing to the game was and never will be enough. That's the BIG difference here and why I have grown an extreme hate against Cryptic!

And now they are owned by PW, it will only get worse and worse.

Originally posted by JeroKane

Originally posted by Loke666

SOE have a similar thing with EQ2, you need to subscribe to be able to use the cooler loot you have collected.

But at least you unlock the ENTIRE game when subscribing! Same in LOTRO and DDO!

But for Cryptic subscribing to the game was and never will be enough. That's the BIG difference here and why I have grown an extreme hate against Cryptic!

And now they are owned by PW, it will only get worse and worse.

Wrong.

There are store-only things that affect gameplay directly (give advantage) in Lotro (store-only relics, removal scrolls, stat- tomes, etc) + there are also boxes + store keys in Lotro as well Boxes are only way for example to get rare skin for monster player - don't think anyone got it yet. Diffrence is that keys can drop in game BUT drop rate is so low that keys are like Yeti - many heard noone saw lol

edit:

oh here topic about Lotro Box'es (unlocked with key from store)

http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.php?435978-Steel-Bound-Loot-Box-what-did-you-get

Originally posted by fenistil

Originally posted by JeroKane

Originally posted by Loke666

SOE have a similar thing with EQ2, you need to subscribe to be able to use the cooler loot you have collected.

But at least you unlock the ENTIRE game when subscribing! Same in LOTRO and DDO!

But for Cryptic subscribing to the game was and never will be enough. That's the BIG difference here and why I have grown an extreme hate against Cryptic!

And now they are owned by PW, it will only get worse and worse.

Wrong.

 

There are store-only things that affect gameplay directly (give advantage) in Lotro (store-only relics, removal scrolls, stat- tomes, etc) + there are also boxes + store keys in Lotro as well Boxes are only way for example to get rare skin for monster player - don't think anyone got it yet. Diffrence is that keys can drop in game BUT drop rate is so low that keys are like Yeti - many heard noone saw lol

The Stat tomes is the only thing that comes to mind, but have absolutely ZERO affect on the game. Especially now the stat cap has been removed with RoI expac !

Stat tomes are nice for solo players and will make it easier to level during the lower levels, but that's pretty much it! At higher levels they have litterly no effect at all anymore and are just a waste of TP.

Originally posted by JeroKane

Originally posted by fenistil

Originally posted by JeroKane

Originally posted by Loke666

SOE have a similar thing with EQ2, you need to subscribe to be able to use the cooler loot you have collected.

But at least you unlock the ENTIRE game when subscribing! Same in LOTRO and DDO!

But for Cryptic subscribing to the game was and never will be enough. That's the BIG difference here and why I have grown an extreme hate against Cryptic!

And now they are owned by PW, it will only get worse and worse.

Wrong.

 

There are store-only things that affect gameplay directly (give advantage) in Lotro (store-only relics, removal scrolls, stat- tomes, etc) + there are also boxes + store keys in Lotro as well Boxes are only way for example to get rare skin for monster player - don't think anyone got it yet. Diffrence is that keys can drop in game BUT drop rate is so low that keys are like Yeti - many heard noone saw lol

The Stat tomes is the only thing that comes to mind, but have absolutely ZERO affect on the game. Especially now the stat cap has been removed with RoI expac !

Stat tomes are nice for solo players and will make it easier to level during the lower levels, but that's pretty much it! At higher levels they have litterly no effect at all anymore and are just a waste of TP.

Store-only relics...

Besides Stats have no meaning on your main stat ,but other stats are usually lower or very low (that's how itemization is made) so for those stats tomes have significant impact.

Besides just ask (those who you know they won't lie) how many people doing end-game raids have bought stat tomes.

Those I know - most have.

Not to mention that stat tomes are frequently best selling thing in store. Same was with store-only relics , I still remember great setting relic for wardens when cap was 65 - it allowed me to make MUCH better build. Was best setting for warden at the time.

All items that can be awarded by the Cardassian Lock Box can be traded or sold on the auction house to other players. So if you get something you don’t want or need, you can trade them away. The Lock Boxes themselves can also be traded or auctioned if you don’t want to open them.

As everything can be traded.. chanses are high that most things in the Boxes will hit the Auction house.. people with enough Dilithium will trade for C points.. open Boxes.. sell on market for ingame currency.. Dosent look to be that bad to be honest.. If everything in the BOX and the BOX iteself was a BOP item, I would fee much diffrent about this.. Now I think its kinda okey..

The system reeks of internet gambling.

Much like the SWG card game, with the cards actually being ingame.  For all intents and purposes, you are paying out 100 points worth of Cryptic cash on a "mystery box".  To say that subscribers could use their "stipend" instead of real money is insulting to pretty much anyone's intelligence. 

Originally posted by Robsolf

The system reeks of internet gambling.

Much like the SWG card game, with the cards actually being ingame.  For all intents and purposes, you are paying out 100 points worth of Cryptic cash on a "mystery box".  To say that subscribers could use their "stipend" instead of real money is insulting to pretty much anyone's intelligence. 

I agree.  I would also bet that those players out there who spent wads of cash on gift boxes are going to do the same with these too.  They can buy hundreds of boxes on the exchange (since EC really has no value and is easy to come by), then buy the keys for C-Points.

Originally posted by Zlayer77

All items that can be awarded by the Cardassian Lock Box can be traded or sold on the auction house to other players. So if you get something you don’t want or need, you can trade them away. The Lock Boxes themselves can also be traded or auctioned if you don’t want to open them.

As everything can be traded.. chanses are high that most things in the Boxes will hit the Auction house.. people with enough Dilithium will trade for C points.. open Boxes.. sell on market for ingame currency.. Dosent look to be that bad to be honest.. If everything in the BOX and the BOX iteself was a BOP item, I would fee much diffrent about this.. Now I think its kinda okey..

Yeah, people tend to forget you can get CP in STO without spending any real money and not in LOTRO/DDO fashion where it's pretty strictly limited per character.  Yeah, you'll work your ass off because "dilithium to CP" rates are pretty crazy and will probably get even worse after this kicks in, but there is no arbitrary limitation on how many of either you can have in total.

Originally posted by JeroKane

Originally posted by Loke666

SOE have a similar thing with EQ2, you need to subscribe to be able to use the cooler loot you have collected.

But at least you unlock the ENTIRE game when subscribing! Same in LOTRO and DDO!

But for Cryptic subscribing to the game was and never will be enough. That's the BIG difference here and why I have grown an extreme hate against Cryptic!

And now they are owned by PW, it will only get worse and worse.

 I lol'd so hard I almost fell out of my chair.

Originally posted by Methos12

Originally posted by Zlayer77

All items that can be awarded by the Cardassian Lock Box can be traded or sold on the auction house to other players. So if you get something you don’t want or need, you can trade them away. The Lock Boxes themselves can also be traded or auctioned if you don’t want to open them.

As everything can be traded.. chanses are high that most things in the Boxes will hit the Auction house.. people with enough Dilithium will trade for C points.. open Boxes.. sell on market for ingame currency.. Dosent look to be that bad to be honest.. If everything in the BOX and the BOX iteself was a BOP item, I would fee much diffrent about this.. Now I think its kinda okey..

Yeah, people tend to forget you can get CP in STO without spending any real money and not in LOTRO/DDO fashion where it's pretty strictly limited per character.  Yeah, you'll work your ass off because "dilithium to CP" rates are pretty crazy and will probably get even worse after this kicks in, but there is no arbitrary limitation on how many of either you can have in total.

Can you directly trade currency player-to-player?

If so, i can imagine asking players to open lockboxes for Dilithium or EC if they need that, or trade materials i don't need for the service.

I actually would see that as beneficial to the games economy.

Originally posted by AdamTM

Can you directly trade currency player-to-player?

If so, i can imagine asking players to open lockboxes for Dilithium or EC if they need that, or trade materials i don't need for the service.

I actually would see that as beneficial to the games economy.

I don't know if you can trade CPs, I don't think you can trade dilithium, and I believe you can trade energy credits (at least to your own faction, I'm not sure if they allow cross-faction trading).

Originally posted by Dinendae

Originally posted by AdamTM

Can you directly trade currency player-to-player?

If so, i can imagine asking players to open lockboxes for Dilithium or EC if they need that, or trade materials i don't need for the service.

I actually would see that as beneficial to the games economy.

I don't know if you can trade CPs, I don't think you can trade dilithium, and I believe you can trade energy credits (at least to your own faction, I'm not sure if they allow cross-faction trading).

Yeah i checked it just now.

You could still pay someone with items you bought for Dilithium though or materials they want.

I think that might expand the eceonomy quite a bit.

You all might enjoy this thread over on the offical STO forums; http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?t=253446

Just goes to show what a flagrant cash grab this new lock box crap is.  Whenever "someone" gets a Galor ship in a lock box, their user handle flashes across your screen letting you know "XYZ123 has receieved a Cardassian Galor Ship!"  This message pops up regardless of what you are doing in game, and there is no way to turn it off. 

Cash Grab Online has only begun...

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Originally posted by ShardWarrior
You all might enjoy this thread over on the offical STO forums; http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?t=253446
 
Just goes to show what a flagrant cash grab this new lock box crap is.  Whenever "someone" gets a Galor ship in a lock box, their user handle flashes across your screen letting you know "XYZ123 has receieved a Cardassian Galor Ship!"  This message pops up regardless of what you are doing in game, and there is no way to turn it off. 
 
Cash Grab Online has only begun...

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Heh, I have been following that thread as well. It seems that Cryptic wants to put the Galor ship front and center for the duration of the master key availability (ends march 19th) so that people see others getting theirs. It encourages people to buy C-store points. I think people are just feeling snubbed a little every time they see one of those messages. Its like "hey, they got a ship but you didn't!"

Here is a post that illustrates the spam people are seeing, though not all claim to have seen so many of these messages in a short span of time.

Anyway, any time I get a thread idea to post here, you have already gone and done it ShardWarrior. You in my head? Heh heh, just kidding of course.

I am not sure it is a feeling of being snubbed versus being unnecessarily spammed by stupidity.  Folks in that thread seem to be of the general consensus that they could give 2 hoots who got a ship.  They just do not want the text spammed across their screen every 5 minutes. 

Of course it is a flagrant (and desperately pathetic) cash grab attempt by Cryptic/PWE.  It is sad to see CBS approving such nonsense.

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Originally posted by ShardWarrior
I am not sure it is a feeling of being snubbed versus being unnecessarily spammed by stupidity.  Folks in that thread seem to be of the general consensus that they could give 2 hoots who got a ship.  They just do not want the text spammed across their screen every 5 minutes. 
 
Of course it is a flagrant (and desperately pathetic) cash grab attempt by Cryptic/PWE.  It is sad to see CBS approving such nonsense.

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Yeah, this is true. I was speaking more about the people who really want the ship and are buying loads of points in order to acquire it. Though yeah, most people are saying they are annoyed by the spam in the forums and I would be as well.

The Nagus had a nice post about the spam. And speaking of spam this person brings up another good, and somewhat amusing point as well.

Originally posted by AdamTM

Yeah i checked it just now.

You could still pay someone with items you bought for Dilithium though or materials they want.

I think that might expand the eceonomy quite a bit.

I thought that the items you bought from NPCs for dilithium were bound to that character? At least that was my understanding.