Originally posted by Jimmy562

I've played games with long load times and very fast ones. I.e. PS3 and PC games (The same game on both) and I hardly think twice about the loading even though my PC loads the game often 2x faster. Just doesn't bother me at all :)

We ain´t talking about 2 times, in DDO it is somewhere between 10 and 20 times...

But maybe I am just more easily bored than you, I hate waiting in line as well.

Originally posted by Palladin

So from what everyone is saying and what I have researched on my own we all agree:

1)  SSD are supper fast

2) Decrease program load times(to be expected)

3) Will increwase game performance only if you are playing a game with alot of ZONE LOADS

      I.E. Ever Quest, Mass Affect 1-2-3, Ever Quest 2

4) WIll not increase game performance in game with a seemless world.

5) Computers only notice an increase in performance when they are "ACTIVELY" accessing the hard drive. which in most games these days is seldom to never short of instance loading or initial loading of game.

 

So it is my premise that an SSD in my opinion would be best used as OS platform to enhance OS performance and for that you would not at this time need anything more than 100meg and that is being generous.

Most everyone uses an SSD for a C:  drive.  (How is that any revelation?)

1) Not only superfast, but instantaneous seek times too.

2) correct

3) Loading BF3 Maps, loading into games faster..   

4) er..  it WILL increase the performance within an open world..! It is what they will be best at, because they consume almost zero energy and can instantaneously stream any texture that happens to pop into your field of view. (not MMo stuttering)

5) All of Windows & every action (such as loading a website) is noticably faster within Windows, when it resides on an SSD. Matter of fact and SSD for s C: is one of the biggest over-all performance upgrades you can make on a computer.

Originally posted by Loke666

Originally posted by Jimmy562

I've played games with long load times and very fast ones. I.e. PS3 and PC games (The same game on both) and I hardly think twice about the loading even though my PC loads the game often 2x faster. Just doesn't bother me at all :)

We ain´t talking about 2 times, in DDO it is somewhere between 10 and 20 times...

But maybe I am just more easily bored than you, I hate waiting in line as well.

2x was simply a random number. I hate waiting in line as well but you make it sound as if game load speeds are insanely long without an SSD. They barely last 1 minute which is perfectly acceptable. I wouldn't spend the amount an SSD costs to cut something like that down. 

Once you've had a SSD you'll never go back to using a normal hard drive for your OS again.

For games, You'll more than likely put whatever you can on it and lament the fact you can't cram every game you own onto it. I would love to have one large enough to record with fraps onto it as well...

Whether to get an SSD is really a question of budget.

How much is your time worth?  A few seconds here and a few seconds there can add up to a few minutes over the course of a day.  Do that every day and it could easily be 10 hours over the course of a year.  The reduced aggravation from having the computer just work right is also valuable.

If your choice is an SSD plus a hard drive or just a hard drive, I can understand going with just the hard drive.  If you need less capacity, so that it's just an SSD versus just a hard drive, then the SSD is a lot more tempting.

What I don't understand is how businesses buying office computers that don't need more than 60 GB of capacity can justify going with a hard drive rather than an SSD.  The SSD isn't just faster.  It will also be more reliable.  And at that capacity, it isn't necessarily even more expensive than a hard drive.  How much employee time is wasted sitting there waiting for the computer to do something?  And how much value does that time have to the company?

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Originally posted by Palladin
Nothying said here so far has me convinced that an SSD should be part of a standard PC YET. The faster access times in my opinion will not make a noticable diff in my gaming exp. No game accessses the hard drive enough to make this cost justifiable. The way I understand games to work is this, games in general load most of what they need to ram and the processor accesses what it needs from ram. It's my understanding if you want better performance in a game get the processor whith largest cache memory you can afford. Then get a motherborad that useses the fasted  RAM available. 

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Glad it's your computer and not mine. Have fun dude.

Your wrong though, just saying. But you can find out for yourself.

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Originally posted by Zezda

For games, You'll more than likely put whatever you can on it and lament the fact you can't cram every game you own onto it. I would love to have one large enough to record with fraps onto it as well...

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Actually, FRAPS is one of the very few progams that works almost as well on a traditional hard drive as it does an SSD.

FRAPS is all about sequential write speed - as your just taking video data and dumping it straight to the hard drive. SSD's aren't much better at sequential reads or writes than normal hard drives. What they really excel at is random reads and writes - because it takes exactly as much time to access any sector of the drive as any other: there's no drive arm to move or platter to spin. And most file operations are mainly random: lots of little files (go ahead and count how many files are associated with a typical video game; with Windows by itself).

The latest generation SSDs are faster in sequentials than traditional drives, but just barely, and largely only because they can actually utilize SATA3 speeds. In anything random, and your looking at like 1000x speed increase.

Using a 64gb SSD to cache a 1TB hard drive atm and can't see a whole lot of difference between having windows 7 on the SSD and the way it is now on the HDD. Works a lot better than superfetch does using memory as the SSD holds the cache even after reboots. I recommend anyone with an SSD and some spare time try it out, it's awesome :)

It's true, as far as raw FPS improvements the SSD does not offer a lot. For me once I put my OS on an SSD I will never go back, but I only have a 64GB SSD for my OS which is fairly cheap with 2 250GB 7200RPM HDDs (from older PCs, probably would get a single TB drive now). SSD is a bit more specific to your application than just increasing your CPU/RAM speeds/cache-size.

SWTOR has been a popular topic on the boards here and since it is highly instanced and the 'movies' for each of the quests have to load individually then yes an SSD makes a bigger difference in a game like this. However this is not to say that in a Warzone (PvP Instance) that the SSD will help you, just let you load into and out of the zone faster.

On the other side of the spectrum is probably a game like BF3, where once you load the map the SSD won't be helping you much more than that (maybe let you set up defensive locations a few seconds sooner). And your GPU/CPU is helping more here.

I officially declare this subject a dead horse

MY CONCLUSION:

SSD is not a must have peace of gear. Untill they are being made in the 1 TB size at standard drive prices I doubt I will bother with them.

None of the gaming I have done has ever needed this lvl of performance. EQ, Lineage II, FFXI, WOW, UO, World of Tanks, Rifts,

SWTOR with the constant load screens would benifit but the game sucks so i canceled my sub.

Unless the game developers start codeing games in a way that requires SSD speeds.

Originally posted by Kabaal

Using a 64gb SSD to cache a 1TB hard drive atm and can't see a whole lot of difference between having windows 7 on the SSD and the way it is now on the HDD. Works a lot better than superfetch does using memory as the SSD holds the cache even after reboots. I recommend anyone with an SSD and some spare time try it out, it's awesome :)

I have no idea what you jsut said but it sounded cool. I'll have to research this.

Originally posted by Palladin

I officially declare this subject a dead horse

MY CONCLUSION:

SSD is not a must have peace of gear. Untill they are being made in the 1 gig size at standard drive prices I doubt I will bother with them.

None of the gaming I have done has ever needed this lvl of performance. EQ, Lineage II, FFXI, WOW, UO, World of Tanks, Rifts,

SWTOR with the constant load screens would benifit but the game sucks so i canceled my sub.

Unless the game developers start codeing games in a way that requires SSD speeds.

Well, the thing is that new technology is already on the way that is a lot faster than SSDs and Samsung already have the next generation of memories in some phones. In the not too far away future there wont be any difference between harddrive and ram memory at all. That will affect gamies a lot.

Right now it is a price issue but high end computers have a SSD for the OS and installed games and a media drive, it is a lot more effective. But not all people need a high end gaming computer and anyone with more time than money don´t actually need a SSD even though it really is nice to have one.

You don´t really need a state of the art graphics cards either for those games, same thing there.

Originally posted by Loke666

Originally posted by Palladin

I officially declare this subject a dead horse

MY CONCLUSION:

SSD is not a must have peace of gear. Untill they are being made in the 1 gig size at standard drive prices I doubt I will bother with them.

None of the gaming I have done has ever needed this lvl of performance. EQ, Lineage II, FFXI, WOW, UO, World of Tanks, Rifts,

SWTOR with the constant load screens would benifit but the game sucks so i canceled my sub.

Unless the game developers start codeing games in a way that requires SSD speeds.

Well, the thing is that new technology is already on the way that is a lot faster than SSDs and Samsung already have the next generation of memories in some phones. In the not too far away future there wont be any difference between harddrive and ram memory at all. That will affect gamies a lot.

Right now it is a price issue but high end computers have a SSD for the OS and installed games and a media drive, it is a lot more effective. But not all people need a high end gaming computer and anyone with more time than money don´t actually need a SSD even though it really is nice to have one.

You don´t really need a state of the art graphics cards either for those games, same thing there.

I can see it now ...processors made of crystal cubes, datapaths of nano fiber circuits, memory stacks of crystal cylinders and its all powered by a tiny tiny LED smallre than a grain of sand. Total power output 1 watt

Originally posted by Palladin

I can see it now ...processors made of crystal cubes, datapaths of nano fiber circuits, memory stacks of crystal cylinders and its all powered by a tiny tiny LED smallre than a grain of sand. Total power output 1 watt

Uhm, as I said those memories actually exist already even if they are too small right now. We are talking 5 year away maybe for PCs.

A grafen processor or whatever you are talking about is far into the future yet since noone made one that works at all yet as far as I know...

heres a test of hdd vs ssd

in lineage 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBSqQEPNoD8

as you can see on ssd everything loaded

when hdd still working hard to load textures and characters

if still dont see any differences then i dont know :)

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Originally posted by Loke666

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Originally posted by Palladin
I can see it now ...processors made of crystal cubes, datapaths of nano fiber circuits, memory stacks of crystal cylinders and its all powered by a tiny tiny LED smallre than a grain of sand. Total power output 1 watt

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Uhm, as I said those memories actually exist already even if they are too small right now. We are talking 5 year away maybe for PCs.
A grafen processor or whatever you are talking about is far into the future yet since noone made one that works at all yet as far as I know...

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While we are all peering off into the future lets add possibility as DNA as form on data storage, A 2 variable sequence that is so long it could hold everything everyone has said,written or done per square centimetre.

Originally posted by Mellkor

While we are all peering off into the future lets add possibility as DNA as form on data storage, A 2 variable sequence that is so long it could hold everything everyone has said,written or done per square centimetre.

Yeah, you can store almost infinte data on it. The problem is that making DNA like that right now cost a fortune and the only way to read it would be in a labratory taking months of time. DNA ram is far away and might never really be practical.

The hybrid cube memory on the other hand is already working for small memories and larger will come soon.

Here is a small introduction to it:http://gigaom.com/2011/10/06/samsung-and-microns-new-hybrid-cube-memory-tech-is-greener-and-faster/