I have always thought the actions of men the best interpreters of their thoughts.  ~John Locke

I played SW:TOR in Beta and after release.  I'm going through financial struggles and was left with no choice but to sell my gaming rig to a good friend for cash.  That is the only reason I quit this game.

For the first time in my long MMORPG career (I'm 32 years old), for once I truly enjoyed the story-telling.  I did enjoy some quests in other games, when I had the patience to sit around and read the text.  But really? In this day and age (Can you even believe it's 2012??!) who wants to read text?  Who wants to read text when you have thousands of quests?  Not many are even written well, let alone worth the no-action/boring downtime it takes to wade through the B.S. 

I don't consider BioWare's approach to story telling a "feature" of this game.  I consider it the main attraction.  The big deal.  The center piece.  Never have I been so involved in my characters story.  His relationships.  Never have I been so immersed into what is going on.  Never have I enjoyed solo play as much as I enjoy team play. 

I could go on and on.  Believe me, I won't say anything you haven't heard.  Yes, it's shares some stricking resembelence to other games, which is true for nearly EVERY game.  Yes, it has a few bugs.  Yes, it's lacking in end-game content but I only agree with that if you are the kind of player who hates to make alts and re-live a whole new story.

But what I really want to get out here are some cold hard and undeniable facts regarding words vs. actions.

I know that MMORPG has a "thing" where you like to love the underdog, the indie developer, the non-themepark open world, different, unique, bring something new to the table kind of game.  I know you love your guild wars.  But, you're words do not match your actions. 

You have voted ST:TOR down into 26th place.  OFC Guild Wars II gets #1 but you actually think that SW:TOR is not as good as the following games:

Vanguard (Really? I played it.  It's horrible. I had high hopes too, but cmon. Dead horse)

Everquest II (8 Years old, nearly dead)

Dark Ages of Camelot (11 years old, nearly dead)

Anarchy Online (11 years old, you almost can't give this game away for free..which is what they do now)

Ryzom (Really? Seriously? The worst MMO I've ever played.  I don't care if t's free and some french guys hobby)

Yet, with all of your lopsided and honestly, ignorant voting capabilities, you LOVE SW:TOR when it comes to your actions:

In the last 6 months you have created 2.27million hits on the SW:TOR page.

That's twice as many hits as the GW2 page.

That's more than both GW2 and Darkfall COMBINED.

Not only do your actions not match your B.S. voting, but you are consistently in love with clicking on SW:TOR.  Even in the last month you are loving you some SW:TOR twice as much as GW2 and again, you read up on ST:TOR more than both GW2 and Darkfall COMBINED.

Apparently, whether you love or hate SW:TOR, it's definately an obsession.. either way ;)

I think we are getting somewhere with this.

*Takes out the popcorn.*

Originally posted by Hypodermica

 

Apparently, whether you love or hate SW:TOR, it's definately an obsession.. either way ;) 

Actually, what it shows with me is that I have entirely too much free time at work. Not that I'm complaining about that but since we're discussing the relevance of all this...

When I read the title I thought this was going to be about something different.

Originally posted by Wickedjelly

Originally posted by Hypodermica

 

Apparently, whether you love or hate SW:TOR, it's definately an obsession.. either way ;) 

Actually, what it shows with me is that I have entirely too much free time at work. Not that I'm complaining about that but since we're discussing the relevance of all this...

When I read the title I thought this was going to be about something different.

In the last 5 days you have created over 50 posts.  Of those 50, 49 of them have been about SW:TOR. 

It's an obsession and while you play SW:TOR, you don't exactly give it flying colors with your words.  You are the precise demographic I focus on in this article.  You couldn't be a more perfect text book example.  You play it, but you don't give it the credit it deserves.  I have too much free time at work as well.  I work an odd shift though.. 10:30pm - 6:30am.

it show me that the SWTOR players spend more time in the forums then actually playing...

Originally posted by Hypodermica

In the last 5 days you have created over 50 posts.  Of those 50, 49 of them have been about SW:TOR. 

It's an obsession and while you play SW:TOR, you don't exactly give it flying colors with your words.  You are the precise demographic I focus on in this article.  You couldn't be a more perfect text book example.  You play it, but you don't give it the credit it deserves.  I have too much free time at work as well.  I work an odd shift though.. 10:30pm - 6:30am.

On the contrary, I give it the exact credit it deserves far as I'm concerned. The good and the bad. Just like I always do for the games I play. There isn't anything different going on here that I haven't done with games I've played in the past far as my posting history, posting frequency, or me being rather blunt about what I like and dislike about the game I am currently playing.

Originally posted by eyelolled

it show me that the SWTOR players spend more time in the forums then actually playing...

i dunno, i do not post that often. Too busy playing, but I had to respond to this :)

Originally posted by eyelolled

it show me that the SWTOR players spend more time in the forums then actually playing...

^ so many people here to defend.. yes I know people post at  work but If I was playing and enjoying I would be on the official forums reading info on builds and class info(although options are so limited there's no much ot read).. It same thing over and over people can't see why people can sit here and talk down about this game yet some people seem to sit here and do nothing put praise it at all costs... why is one way ok and the other is not?

You have voted ST:TOR down into 26th place.  OFC Guild Wars II gets #1 but you actually think that SW:TOR is not as good as the following games:

Vanguard (Really? I played it.  It's horrible. I had high hopes too, but cmon. Dead horse)

Everquest II (8 Years old, nearly dead)

Dark Ages of Camelot (11 years old, nearly dead)

Anarchy Online (11 years old, you almost can't give this game away for free..which is what they do now)

Ryzom (Really? Seriously? The worst MMO I've ever played.  I don't care if t's free and some french guys hobby

These games are looked upon differenty because they where not produced by the largest gaming company on the planet. So therefor they are given more leeway. Also those games where not marketed as heavily as SWTOR and none of those game have a game with the same IP that came before it (Except EQ2) to be compared to. Unfortunatly for SWTOR the game that came before was a "do whatever the hell you want" sandbox. People where expecting that same level of freedom and didn't get it. 

They got a game that is very similar to Fable 3 in that everyone is playing a single player game in which you pay 15 bucks a month to watch other people run around also playing the same single player game... the only difference is that you can see the player models rather than just balls of light.

You are correct in saying that many of us are passionatly negative about this game. Once a new MMO hits then the hate will die down as many of us will have something to do then.

Venting here about the game staves of boredom and is a way to cope with the dissappointment.

Many people had the same idea Star wars ip + Bioware + Massive budget = Amazing, blow my mind with innovation (there is that word again), next generation MMO

What actually happened was Star wars ip + Bioware + Massive budget = WoW clone with lots of cutscenes.

/SadPanda

Originally posted by illorion

 

You have voted ST:TOR down into 26th place.  OFC Guild Wars II gets #1 but you actually think that SW:TOR is not as good as the following games:

Vanguard (Really? I played it.  It's horrible. I had high hopes too, but cmon. Dead horse)

Everquest II (8 Years old, nearly dead)

Dark Ages of Camelot (11 years old, nearly dead)

Anarchy Online (11 years old, you almost can't give this game away for free..which is what they do now)

Ryzom (Really? Seriously? The worst MMO I've ever played.  I don't care if t's free and some french guys hobby

 

 

These games are looked upon differenty because they where not produced by the largest gaming company on the planet. So therefor they are given more leeway. Also those games where not marketed as heavily as SWTOR and none of those game have a game with the same IP that came before it (Except EQ2) to be compared to. Unfortunatly for SWTOR the game that came before was a "do whatever the hell you want" sandbox. People where expecting that same level of freedom and didn't get it. 

They got a game that is very similar to Fable 3 in that everyone is playing a single player game in which you pay 15 bucks a month to watch other people run around also playing the same single player game... the only difference is that you can see the player models rather than just balls of light.

You are correct in saying that many of us are passionatly negative about this game. Once a new MMO hits then the hate will die down as many of us will have something to do then.

Venting here about the game staves of boredom and is a way to cope with the dissappointment.

Many people had the same idea Star wars ip + Bioware + Massive budget = Amazing, blow my mind with innovation (there is that word again), next generation MMO

What actually happened was Star wars ip + Bioware + Massive budget = WoW clone with lots of cutscenes.

/SadPanda

+1

Originally posted by illorion

[snip]

Venting here about the game staves of boredom and is a way to cope with the dissappointment.

Many people had the same idea Star wars ip + Bioware + Massive budget = Amazing, blow my mind with innovation (there is that word again), next generation MMO

What actually happened was Star wars ip + Bioware + Massive budget = WoW clone with lots of cutscenes.

/SadPanda

It's more then a simple disappointment for most, people really thought this game was going in a new direction both because of the IP and because of the company but instead they put out a poorly managed game in which it couldn't even be called an mmo due to the gamebreaking bugs and  rather large portions of features missing from the game that every other title that's made by a large scale company has put into their game. The problem isn't the players at all unless you are counting those who will pay for anything so long as it has Star Wars stamped on it somewhere.

So why not post disappointments when they occur? what exactly is wrong with posting  why we didn't like something about a game on a game forum? I don't get it. Aren't these forums for open and honest discussion?

In six months time if they keep up with their promised bug fixes and feature requests imo they'll be able to call their game an mmo, until then i wouldn't go near the game personally.

Edit: these questions were directed at the OP btw.

Originally posted by Hypodermica

Apparently, whether you love or hate SW:TOR, it's definately an obsession.. either way ;)

Oh come on..  everyone likes a train wreck don't they? :)

Honestly, I couldn't care less if SWTOR fails or not..  but the drama is fun to read.  I mean, lots of people like to watch soaps on TV where actors pretend to argue and fall out with each other constantly in new and inventive ways.  As avid MMO fans, why wouldn't we keep an eye on this forum?

Some of us are obsessed with drama, not SWTOR in particular! ;)

Originally posted by Tawn47

Oh come on..  everyone likes a train wreck don't they? :)

Honestly, I couldn't care less if SWTOR fails or not..  but the drama is fun to read.  I mean, lots of people like to watch soaps on TV where actors pretend to argue and fall out with each other constantly in new and inventive ways.  As avid MMO fans, why wouldn't we keep an eye on this forum?

Some of us are obsessed with drama, not SWTOR in particular! ;)

Basically.

Not sure why some feel it is any different with this game. Pretty much seems the same old schtick as other launches. Plenty of morsels for those that enjoy the show and theatrics.

I have been around this forum for quite a while. I have never seen anything like what goes on with this particular game.

Since Jan 16 I have received 3 warnings and a temp ban all due to postings about this game. Although sarcastic, I was even quite accurate in things I said.

I'm done with it. It's the greatest game ever. I love it.

OP, if it makes you feel any better, you don't need a gaming rig anymore. You have already reached the pinnacle.

Originally posted by Wickedjelly

Originally posted by Tawn47

Oh come on..  everyone likes a train wreck don't they? :)

Honestly, I couldn't care less if SWTOR fails or not..  but the drama is fun to read.  I mean, lots of people like to watch soaps on TV where actors pretend to argue and fall out with each other constantly in new and inventive ways.  As avid MMO fans, why wouldn't we keep an eye on this forum?

Some of us are obsessed with drama, not SWTOR in particular! ;)

Basically.

Not sure why some feel it is any different with this game. Pretty much seems the same old schtick as other launches. Plenty of morsels for those that enjoy the show and theatrics.

It really is which is very fun to watch.

Originally posted by sanosukex

Originally posted by eyelolled

it show me that the SWTOR players spend more time in the forums then actually playing...

^ so many people here to defend.. yes I know people post at  work but If I was playing and enjoying I would be on the official forums reading info on builds and class info(although options are so limited there's no much ot read).. It same thing over and over people can't see why people can sit here and talk down about this game yet some people seem to sit here and do nothing put praise it at all costs... why is one way ok and the other is not?

you're surprised that people are on a subforum of a game they enjoy discussing/praising a game they enjoy? LOL you're a funny person.

I mean really? you can't be serious first you want people banned for praising the game and then you are surprised fans of the game are on a forum dedicated to the game. talk about grasping at straws.

I can answer the underlined question since i bring it up quite a bit. the big difference is that YOU (and others) should find a game you enjoy and go talk about that game with fans of that game instead of stalking every positive post on the SWTOR forums a game you obviously don't like (which is fine by the way I am not saying you're wrong for not liking SWTOR).

but hey its your free time as someone posted out in another just don't be surprised when people like me laugh at people like you.

Originally posted by Hatewall

I have been around this forum for quite a while. I have never seen anything like what goes on with this particular game.

Since Jan 16 I have received 3 warnings and a temp ban all due to postings about this game. Although sarcastic, I was even quite accurate in things I said.

I'm done with it. It's the greatest game ever. I love it.

OP, if it makes you feel any better, you don't need a gaming rig anymore. You have already reached the pinnacle.

I think that you have the right Idea. I too have experienced the judgement of the the ban hammer. Maybe we should come up with like a code words or something. Like instead of ability delay we can call it "ability enhancement". 

Anyways this is the greatest game ever made.... its slick, next gen graphics are head and shoulders abover everything out there. The character customazation, the high resolution graphics, the tight controls, the beautiful UI, the world class voice acting, and compelling, believable cutscenes all ensure that no other game needs to ever be released after this. 

My only dissapointment is that EA didn't advertise using fake protesters or commercials showing how disgusted old ladies are with the game.

I can't wait for them to add more classes like the Jedi/Stith dru... er shapeshifter, the mo... err martial artist, and the necr.... err i mean droid master. 

Soooo excited!

Originally posted by sanosukex

Originally posted by eyelolled

it show me that the SWTOR players spend more time in the forums then actually playing...

^ so many people here to defend.. yes I know people post at  work but If I was playing and enjoying I would be on the official forums reading info on builds and class info(although options are so limited there's no much ot read).. It same thing over and over people can't see why people can sit here and talk down about this game yet some people seem to sit here and do nothing put praise it at all costs... why is one way ok and the other is not?

I haven't really seen many people here on this site doing as you say in orange. I see many claim that's what people are doing, but not much in the way of people actually glossing over the short comings many others point out. They may not agree, but that's something different entirely.

I also hate the term "defend" as a description of what these people are doing, it's called countering a point, or giving your own impression. Which is why we're all here to begin with. It also implys the otherside is here to "attack" TOR. Which is just as wrong of an assessment, as they're also just offering their opinion of the game.

Using this wording to me is placing far too much importance on why we're here talking about TOR. As for the why aren't people somewhere else rather than here? I can only speak for myself, but aside from my guilds forum (where I get my build info etc..) this is the only forum I've visited on a regular basis for the last few years. I'd be here regardless of TOR. 

Originally posted by Distopia

Originally posted by sanosukex

Originally posted by eyelolled

it show me that the SWTOR players spend more time in the forums then actually playing...

^ so many people here to defend.. yes I know people post at  work but If I was playing and enjoying I would be on the official forums reading info on builds and class info(although options are so limited there's no much ot read).. It same thing over and over people can't see why people can sit here and talk down about this game yet some people seem to sit here and do nothing put praise it at all costs... why is one way ok and the other is not?

I haven't really seen many people here on this site doing as you say in orange. I see many claim that's what people are doing, but not much in the way of people actually glossing over the short comings many others point out. They may not agree, but that's something different entirely.

I also hate the term "defend" as a description of what these people are doing, it's called countering a point, or giving your own impression. Which is why we're all here to begin with. It also implys the otherside is here to "attack" TOR. Which is just as wrong of an assessment, as they're also just offering their opinion of the game.

Using this wording to me is placing far too much importance on why we're here talking about TOR. As for the why aren't people somewhere else rather than here? I can only speak for myself, but aside from my guilds forum (where I get my build info etc..) this is the only forum I've visited on a regular basis for the last few years. I'd be here regardless of TOR. 

 

maybe praise wasn't the best choice of words.. but its pretty obvious some people stances on this game good or bad and nothing you say or they say makes any difference to the fact.. the thing that bothers me is the people who write there 1-2 page review of the game and how they are displeased with a laundry list of examples yet all the so called "hardcore fans" or whatever you want to call them do nothing but troll the threads saying how game is fine and go back to wow and such.. I know it goes both ways but i just wish the big fans of the game would be more descriptive with there views on the game because most here are not.

Originally posted by illorion

 

 These games are looked upon differenty because they where not produced by the largest gaming company on the planet. So therefor they are given more leeway. Also those games where not marketed as heavily as SWTOR and none of those game have a game with the same IP that came before it (Except EQ2) to be compared to. Unfortunatly for SWTOR the game that came before was a "do whatever the hell you want" sandbox. People where expecting that same level of freedom and didn't get it. 

Then those people were morons because bioware made it known to the whole universe that this wasn't going to be SWG2. With all the videos that was released along with the many statements made by the devs, there is no reason for anyone that was a fan of SWG to expect TOR to be anything more than a story driven themepark game. Hell, a quick looksy around the SWG forums the last few months would have shown whines about SWG closing for that "WOW Clone." So whomever these people are that you are describing must hae been living under a rock.

They got a game that is very similar to Fable 3 in that everyone is playing a single player game in which you pay 15 bucks a month to watch other people run around also playing the same single player game... the only difference is that you can see the player models rather than just balls of light.

If you play it as a single player game then don't whine when you get that experience. This game has tons of options for grouping. In fact, you benefit more from grouping in this game than you do going solo. People that actually play the game know this.

You are correct in saying that many of us are passionatly negative about this game. Once a new MMO hits then the hate will die down as many of us will have something to do then.

Yeah, you'll go on to the next game and vent when that one doesn't reach your high and mighty standards. I believe GW2 is next on the list. But at least this forum will have some peace.