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  Naral

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Joined: 1/07/10
Posts: 754

2/04/12 11:11:35 AM#21
Originally posted by jdnewell

 

Yup

I agree.

I dont like the game much myself but only a fool would think that catering to my taste and not the masses is a good business strategy.

1.7 million is nothing to scoff at. I believe BW expected more but I am sure they are happy with that.  Bad or Good is personal taste and nothing more. If myself and 100k others say its Bad, but 1.7 million say its Good and continue to sub then who is right?

My take on it is that its shallow and uninspired for a MMO, but works very well for a Co Op or CoRPG type game. And many many people seem to like it that way. Its the era of the casual gamer, the days of spending 2 weeks getting from level 44-45 are over, the dawn of 1-50 in 2 days played has arrived.

Not that I am happy with it, just realistic enough to know thats the future of big sub MMO's

This is probably the best worded post on this forum of late. Someone who does not like the game, understands the game is not for them, but is more than humble enough to admit that many, many do like it.

I love the game, but I think you nailed why I like it so much. I have been duoing the entire game with my wife, something we often do. This game seems practically made for duoing. There is almost no content we cannot do together, and I would think of this game more as a coop sprpg that I can play with my wife.

Games are like anything else, like music, movies etc. Not every game appeals to every person to the same degree, or at all. Only on the internet does this seem like it is intolerable to people, especially this site.

  StanlyStanko

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Joined: 10/28/11
Posts: 273

2/04/12 11:20:26 AM#22
Originally posted by Theodwulf

"Puzzled as to why anyone would go thru so much time and effort, again repeatedly, to bash a simple video game, but have decided that it is simply some form of human nature. "

 

  Because people feel like they were duped, IF BW started giving money back to disatisfied customers you would see the seething lake of hatred dry up. THAT is what it comes down to, the "Industry" pulled another fast one on the gaming community another WAR on us. You should understand that, you saw the same thing going on as we all did. Remember EA Louse and the hatchet job EA /BW pulled on the guy? Turns out he was right , in his three paragraphs he wrote on SWTOR he described the game to a "T". Why the hatchet job?

 

  It's guys like you I don't understand. You made PnPer games , you should know better. You should be able to understand the difference between a quality game and thrown together crap. IF the game is freakin' great why are you taking the time away from it? Why aren't you on the official forums sharing game knowledge? NO instead you are here trying to defend a bad game. Opinion? Nope fact . On every technical metric one would use TOR scores low, that's a fact, that is how one dtermines if a game is "Good" or " Bad". YOU can like a bad game BUT that doesn't make it good.

 

  No amount of manufactured "Fan" support is going to change that this game is bad. IF the game was so great there would far fewer people singing it's praises outside the game and it's official forums.

What a maroon. This aint a war, man, it's video games. Proper perspective and expectations may someday enable you to enjoy things for what they are, even if they are far from perfect.

  GMan3

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Joined: 8/27/10
Posts: 2239

2/04/12 11:21:59 AM#23
Originally posted by Gibbonici
Originally posted by Theodwulf

"Puzzled as to why anyone would go thru so much time and effort, again repeatedly, to bash a simple video game, but have decided that it is simply some form of human nature. "

 

  Because people feel like they were duped, IF BW started giving money back to disatisfied customers you would see the seething lake of hatred dry up. THAT is what it comes down to, the "Industry" pulled another fast one on the gaming community another WAR on us.

How many times do you have to be duped before you realise that no MMO is ever going to be what the hype makes it out to be? It's been happening for years and it's still a surprise? Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me....

 

I'd be willing to bet that the OP had realistic expectations of TOR. I know I did and I had a blast with it too, for what it was.

 

It was never, ever going to live up to the hype. Caveat emptor -  there's a reason why that phrase is in Latin... 

    The funny thing is that most of the hype came from "potential fans" and players, not BioWare.  Of course BioWare said they had a great game, which is exactly right by their way of thinking, but I really don't remember any time that they lied to anyone about what their game was going to be.  As a matter of fact, they were very clear what it was going to be and in my opinion, many of the people that are upset with it are the ones that did not have realistic expaectations. 

    Thankfully I did and I am still loving the game.  Almost two months in now, playing all kinds of crazy hours a day and still have not reached cap yet.  Considering I reached cap in WoW in just over a month, I am impressed.  Unfortunately I still have seven more stories to go.  Looks like I will be busy for a while.  Loving the teaming aspect of this game too.  Haven't played a single MMO that made me WANT to team like this one does.

"If half of what you tell me is a lie, how can I believe any of it?"

  Onomas

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Joined: 7/05/11
Posts: 1160

Sandbox is your only hope for a decent mmo ;)

2/04/12 11:46:42 AM#24

Well for me its not because  i "hate" TOR, its not that i dislike Star Wars. I remember seeing SW's on the big dcreen as a child and loved it. I played SWG for 7.5 years so i was hoping for aa new game to take the spot.

And again, in my opinion.......

TOR with the 200+ million spent was half the mmo most games are today. It felt like a single player console game. This is fine for some. But as a major mmo fan this game lacked many normal mmo features released with other games, and for it being a new aged mmo it was very limited and too easy.

The game lacked social features, The game to me lacked the Star Wars feeling. Lacked a good crafting system. I could beat heroics in stealth mode for gods sake. Space combat felt like playing an arcade when i was young. The indepth mmo concepts, features, and style was just missing all together. The maps, though some could be large, you were still led down a path and couldnt go cross country or go off and explore a new area as they all looked the same (planet regions). Warzones after the first few patches became so laggy for many it was unplayable. LFG was a joke. Their idea of content was to rerun dailies, and warzones over and over and over as do many games. In general for 200+ million the game realy lacked and was far behind other mmos before its time. Even being out for years, these games did offer more mmo features than TOR does. And you would think that a new aged mmo would have those features up front, not have to wait for them to MAYBE add them later.

This game felt like playing KTOR3 on a console rather than an epic full fledged mmo. It was a shell of a game where they spent most there time on voice and sounds.

 

I personaly feel any new aged mmo released that doesnt have a true mmo feeling, plays more like a console game should get bashed. I dont bash TOR often, i just ignore most the topics. But when games like AA, GW2, TSW, and several others that are coming out that offer much much more, TOR will be hurting. They promised us an epic mmo, they gave us KOTR3 and ask you to pay for it.

Comparing SWG to TOR, SWG was much more a mmo, though having some flaws. TOR is a beautiful game and a fun story line. But offers no sign of being an epic mmo, indepth mmo, or a true mmo. And when the ooooohhs and aaaaahs wear off from following your story line, and you sit around waiting for content, and get bored, you willl understand what i mean.

 

DO i wish TOR to fail and die? NOOOOO. I hope BW gets their stuff in order and turns TOR into a great game. Just think after 200+ mil and a year and a half of polishing they would have gave us one up front and much more of a game than what was released.

 

I am happy for those that are having a good time. Im open minded, but the game was just to limited for me. I prefer much more in a mmo than some here i guess. And dislike paying 15/month to play a console style game.

  Hrica

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Joined: 3/31/05
Posts: 1140

"Yesterday is history, Tomorrow a mystery, and today is a gift"

2/04/12 11:50:50 AM#25

Great Job Garry!!

Great post and glad to see some one nearer my age on here lol.

Ever play Moongate? the MUDD back in the day..bout 20 years ago

  Littlebomb

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Joined: 11/21/10
Posts: 158

2/04/12 11:52:03 AM#26
Originally posted by garry

Forums and posts - thousands of them so I thought I would toss my op in the mix.

 

Bioware - I am a 66 year old retired game designer (PnP). I looked forward to the new SWTOR, played a couple Betas, bought the DDE and am now playing. I want to congratulate you on a job well done. Are there some problems and bugs? Sure - just like EVERY OTHER MMO EVER LAUNCHED! I still like and have fun because the positive aspects of the game outweigh the negatives - by far - for me. Others who have different opinions state them, often, repeatedly, loudly and range from plain disappointment (normal) to outraged quitting obscenity. Puzzled as to why anyone would go thru so much time and effort, again repeatedly, to bash a simple video game, but have decided that it is simply some form of human nature.

 

Just as 'NEWS' organizations give priority to horrifying and 'bad' news, so do review organizations do the same. What works for the reputable news works for the new guys on the block as well. I decided to post instead of playing right now cause I have to go walk the dogs first. Then I will resume my game being a very lucky retired person who can play as much as I like.

 

And I like playing SWTOR. I have 3 characters, Jedi Knight, Smuggler and a new Trooper. Have some Empire characters I am looking forward to playing. I know the bug fixes and updates are coming, not really worried. So once again, well done Bioware and I am enjoying the game.

The reason I bash the game is because I spent 120$ plus tax on the game and the game is bad.

When I buy bad part's off of Newegg.com I also review the product and leave my thoughts and opinions.

When I buy electronic's and I like the product I leave a good review on Newegg and also my thoughts.

 

Simply put as a customer who bought two copies of the game (one of which was due to bad customer service forcing me to purchase a second copy if I wanted to play after Dec 20th) like myself has as much right to inform other consumers that this is a bad product.

I'm sure new mmo player's might like SWeator but anyone who's really played mmo's to any high level will be dissapointed. The game's ability lag alone in pvp was enought o get me to quit. (playing League of Legends last night on a champ that has a .75sec ability to dodge any skill shot........lol SWTOR can't even get abilities to fire off in 1 second much less dodge a enemies skill.)

 

If people choose to listen or not to reviews from gamer's then that is their choice.

  sanosukex

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Joined: 4/08/05
Posts: 1857

2/04/12 11:53:37 AM#27
Originally posted by Hrica

Great Job Garry!!

Great post and glad to see some one nearer my age on here lol.

Ever play Moongate? the MUDD back in the day..bout 20 years ago

moongate.. that brings me back.. gemstone III... zmud.. the shriek of my 2400 baud modem connection to one of my friends BBS systems to play some MUDs.. then my mom picking up the phone knocking me off while i was in the middle of getting that satan sword I been waiting for...ahh the memories..

 

funny though my view of the game doesn't mirror his at all..

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/339443/Video-FollowUp-Guide-For-Enhancing-Graphics-and-Performance-in-SWTORSorry-still-Nvidia-Only.html

  Gibbonici

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Joined: 2/24/07
Posts: 474

2/04/12 12:06:50 PM#28
Originally posted by noncley
Originally posted by Gibbonici
 
[snip]Caveat emptor -  there's a reason why that phrase is in Latin...[snip]

 

 

...What?

It means "buyer beware."  It's the oldest rule in the book for the consumer.

  Kalmarth

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Joined: 9/18/04
Posts: 458

2/04/12 11:31:45 PM#29
Originally posted by Littlebomb
Originally posted by garry

Forums and posts - thousands of them so I thought I would toss my op in the mix.

 

Bioware - I am a 66 year old retired game designer (PnP). I looked forward to the new SWTOR, played a couple Betas, bought the DDE and am now playing. I want to congratulate you on a job well done. Are there some problems and bugs? Sure - just like EVERY OTHER MMO EVER LAUNCHED! I still like and have fun because the positive aspects of the game outweigh the negatives - by far - for me. Others who have different opinions state them, often, repeatedly, loudly and range from plain disappointment (normal) to outraged quitting obscenity. Puzzled as to why anyone would go thru so much time and effort, again repeatedly, to bash a simple video game, but have decided that it is simply some form of human nature.

 

Just as 'NEWS' organizations give priority to horrifying and 'bad' news, so do review organizations do the same. What works for the reputable news works for the new guys on the block as well. I decided to post instead of playing right now cause I have to go walk the dogs first. Then I will resume my game being a very lucky retired person who can play as much as I like.

 

And I like playing SWTOR. I have 3 characters, Jedi Knight, Smuggler and a new Trooper. Have some Empire characters I am looking forward to playing. I know the bug fixes and updates are coming, not really worried. So once again, well done Bioware and I am enjoying the game.

The reason I bash the game is because I spent 120$ plus tax on the game and the game is bad.

When I buy bad part's off of Newegg.com I also review the product and leave my thoughts and opinions.

When I buy electronic's and I like the product I leave a good review on Newegg and also my thoughts.

 

Simply put as a customer who bought two copies of the game (one of which was due to bad customer service forcing me to purchase a second copy if I wanted to play after Dec 20th) like myself has as much right to inform other consumers that this is a bad product.

I'm sure new mmo player's might like SWeator but anyone who's really played mmo's to any high level will be dissapointed. The game's ability lag alone in pvp was enought o get me to quit. (playing League of Legends last night on a champ that has a .75sec ability to dodge any skill shot........lol SWTOR can't even get abilities to fire off in 1 second much less dodge a enemies skill.)

 

If people choose to listen or not to reviews from gamer's then that is their choice.

The game is only bad in your view, millions or players like it and it has got rave reviews from a ton of magazines, so unless they are all deluded.

It sound more to me that you paid $120 for a game, and now your mad because it is not exaclty what you wanted it to be, and now your are venting your anger, how about you give it some time, WoW was not perfect in the first month, or 2nd or 3rd, neither was EQ or EQ2 or many many other games.

So breath.

  Moaky07

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Joined: 2/24/07
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MMO sandbox games are as exciting as watching paint dry.

2/05/12 1:56:17 AM#30
Originally posted by Littlebomb
Originally posted by garry

Forums and posts - thousands of them so I thought I would toss my op in the mix.

 

Bioware - I am a 66 year old retired game designer (PnP). I looked forward to the new SWTOR, played a couple Betas, bought the DDE and am now playing. I want to congratulate you on a job well done. Are there some problems and bugs? Sure - just like EVERY OTHER MMO EVER LAUNCHED! I still like and have fun because the positive aspects of the game outweigh the negatives - by far - for me. Others who have different opinions state them, often, repeatedly, loudly and range from plain disappointment (normal) to outraged quitting obscenity. Puzzled as to why anyone would go thru so much time and effort, again repeatedly, to bash a simple video game, but have decided that it is simply some form of human nature.

 

Just as 'NEWS' organizations give priority to horrifying and 'bad' news, so do review organizations do the same. What works for the reputable news works for the new guys on the block as well. I decided to post instead of playing right now cause I have to go walk the dogs first. Then I will resume my game being a very lucky retired person who can play as much as I like.

 

And I like playing SWTOR. I have 3 characters, Jedi Knight, Smuggler and a new Trooper. Have some Empire characters I am looking forward to playing. I know the bug fixes and updates are coming, not really worried. So once again, well done Bioware and I am enjoying the game.

The reason I bash the game is because I spent 120$ plus tax on the game and the game is bad.

When I buy bad part's off of Newegg.com I also review the product and leave my thoughts and opinions.

When I buy electronic's and I like the product I leave a good review on Newegg and also my thoughts.

 

Simply put as a customer who bought two copies of the game (one of which was due to bad customer service forcing me to purchase a second copy if I wanted to play after Dec 20th) like myself has as much right to inform other consumers that this is a bad product.

I'm sure new mmo player's might like SWeator but anyone who's really played mmo's to any high level will be dissapointed. The game's ability lag alone in pvp was enought o get me to quit. (playing League of Legends last night on a champ that has a .75sec ability to dodge any skill shot........lol SWTOR can't even get abilities to fire off in 1 second much less dodge a enemies skill.)

 

If people choose to listen or not to reviews from gamer's then that is their choice.

I dare say you dont spam the NewEGG forum with hate.

 

Pity your posting habits, in the TOR section, arent the same.

Asking Devs to make AAA sandbox titles is like trying to get fine dining on a McDonalds dollar menu budget.

  bartoni33

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2/05/12 2:03:57 AM#31
Originally posted by Durray

It is not human nature to put the game down and a lot of negative comments are not to 'bash' the game. But to warn others away. Some are yes. Most are not.

I am part of this forum to communicate with fellow hobbyists. Part of this is the exchanging of opinions and information. Blind hatred of TOR is not communication, just blind hatred. See my above yellow post.

Mine being: If you want a good PvE game buy it if you want a good PvP game take your money elsewhere. If you want ingenuity, graphics, gameplay, polish, fewer bugs wait for their patches in 3-6 months and check it out again. I 100% agree with first sentence. Should be said much more. Second sentence is meh. Other that hi-rez was a bug shit game is pretty polished.

I know that 90% of my Guild mates would not enjoy this game (PvP Guild) and have advised them to stay clear, for now. On this forums I simply advise fellow PvP'ers caution there is exceptionally little. Again I agree. This game is not meant for the PvP croud. Should NEVER have had PvP to begin with.

Great post! OP was good too. And not a tear was shed!

  noncley

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2/05/12 5:20:13 AM#32
Originally posted by Gibbonici
Originally posted by noncley
Originally posted by Gibbonici
 
[snip]Caveat emptor -  there's a reason why that phrase is in Latin...[snip]

 

 

...What?

It means "buyer beware."  It's the oldest rule in the book for the consumer.

Thank you. I do actually know what it means. I was asking why the poster thought this Latin phrase was in Latin sicne the reason seems important to him.

  Tawn47

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2/05/12 7:43:27 AM#33
Originally posted by garry
Puzzled as to why anyone would go thru so much time and effort, again repeatedly, to bash a simple video game..

 

Is this really a puzzle to people?

For the same reason you went to the time and effort to praise a video game...

i.e. to let others who haven't bought it get an impression of the game to help them decide to buy or not.. and also to let the developers know they're doing things wrong / right in the hope they act upon that information.

In some way the 'hater' may be more justified to voice their opinions..  I mean, you went to the effort to stop playing the game you really like to praise it..  whereas the hater may have nothing they currently enjoy and their time is less wasted.

 

What is a puzzle is why people who enjoy a game would rather the people who don't, just shut up, instead of having a conversation where the negative points can be addressed and answered.  From the outside, when fans of a game just want negativity to be censored, it really does seem like you dont have good counter arguments to the negativity.  If you really want to convince fence sitters to buy the game, you might want to give that point a thought.

...and if haters are just spouting off mindless rhetoric that isn't worth arguing against..  dont you think that will be obvious to people?

 

Anyway, glad you are enjoying the game.  Still waiting for mine to come. :)

  sanosukex

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2/05/12 7:49:14 AM#34
Originally posted by Tawn47
Originally posted by garry
Puzzled as to why anyone would go thru so much time and effort, again repeatedly, to bash a simple video game..

 

Is this really a puzzle to people?

For the same reason you went to the time and effort to praise a video game...

i.e. to let others who haven't bought it get an impression of the game to help them decide to buy or not.. and also to let the developers know they're doing things wrong / right in the hope they act upon that information.

In some way the 'hater' may be more justified to voice their opinions..  I mean, you went to the effort to stop playing the game you really like to praise it..  whereas the hater may have nothing they currently enjoy and their time is less wasted.

 

What is a puzzle is why people who enjoy a game would rather the people who don't, just shut up, instead of having a conversation where the negative points can be addressed and answered.  From the outside, when fans of a game just want negativity to be censored, it really does seem like you dont have good counter arguments to the negativity.  If you really want to convince fence sitters to buy the game, you might want to give that point a thought.

...and if haters are just spouting off mindless rhetoric that isn't worth arguing against..  dont you think that will be obvious to people?

 

Anyway, glad you are enjoying the game.  Still waiting for mine to come. :)

if I really love a game I don't sit on forums all day and say how great the game is I go play it instead. If I really felt the game was so great I wouldn't care what people wrote about it because in my mind the game is great. It makes more sense to me for people who dislike a game to go and post feelings on the game because obviously they are displeased with the game and are not playing it. Sometimes someone who is unhappy with something can learn something from someone else and make them look at things in a differn't light and get passed what they thought they didn't like... again like the poster above I think it makes more sense to see the people who constantly post their issues with the game than ones who troll the boards doing nothing but defending it nonstop day after day.

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/339443/Video-FollowUp-Guide-For-Enhancing-Graphics-and-Performance-in-SWTORSorry-still-Nvidia-Only.html

  Mathus819

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2/05/12 8:16:22 AM#35

I am really enjoying SWTOR atm, that being said the game is not perfect, but I think it has alot of potential as long as the future content released is more than just flashpoints and ops.

  Arawulf

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2/05/12 8:33:03 AM#36
Originally posted by Littlebomb
Originally posted by garry

Forums and posts - thousands of them so I thought I would toss my op in the mix.

 

Bioware - I am a 66 year old retired game designer (PnP). I looked forward to the new SWTOR, played a couple Betas, bought the DDE and am now playing. I want to congratulate you on a job well done. Are there some problems and bugs? Sure - just like EVERY OTHER MMO EVER LAUNCHED! I still like and have fun because the positive aspects of the game outweigh the negatives - by far - for me. Others who have different opinions state them, often, repeatedly, loudly and range from plain disappointment (normal) to outraged quitting obscenity. Puzzled as to why anyone would go thru so much time and effort, again repeatedly, to bash a simple video game, but have decided that it is simply some form of human nature.

 

Just as 'NEWS' organizations give priority to horrifying and 'bad' news, so do review organizations do the same. What works for the reputable news works for the new guys on the block as well. I decided to post instead of playing right now cause I have to go walk the dogs first. Then I will resume my game being a very lucky retired person who can play as much as I like.

 

And I like playing SWTOR. I have 3 characters, Jedi Knight, Smuggler and a new Trooper. Have some Empire characters I am looking forward to playing. I know the bug fixes and updates are coming, not really worried. So once again, well done Bioware and I am enjoying the game.

The reason I bash the game is because I spent 120$ plus tax on the game and the game is bad.

When I buy bad part's off of Newegg.com I also review the product and leave my thoughts and opinions.

When I buy electronic's and I like the product I leave a good review on Newegg and also my thoughts.

 

Simply put as a customer who bought two copies of the game (one of which was due to bad customer service forcing me to purchase a second copy if I wanted to play after Dec 20th) like myself has as much right to inform other consumers that this is a bad product.

I'm sure new mmo player's might like SWeator but anyone who's really played mmo's to any high level will be dissapointed. The game's ability lag alone in pvp was enought o get me to quit. (playing League of Legends last night on a champ that has a .75sec ability to dodge any skill shot........lol SWTOR can't even get abilities to fire off in 1 second much less dodge a enemies skill.)

 

If people choose to listen or not to reviews from gamer's then that is their choice.

So you spent $120 dollars on the game before making sure it was your kind of game?[EDIT: Actually, I read your post history - you were seriously questioning the game before it was even released... Why did you buy it???]  You said it yourself: "If people choose to listen or not to reviews from gamer's then that is their choice."  - and you chose to spend $120 dollars without listening to what people were saying.  The issues SWTOR has are exactly the same as when it was in beta.  I have no compassion for people who spent a fortune for the product that was delivered in the exact state that beta testers said it was in.  

If you bought a bad part from Newegg.com, you'd review it and return it and you'd move on.  Normal people don't have time or desire to create and comment on hundereds of threads on the downfall of computers because of a bad video card by xyz corporation.  Most normal folks would just buy a different one.

Imagine I bought a hamburger that tasted bad from McDonalds.  I'd just go to Burger King next time.  Problem solved.  I certainly wouldn't feel the need to go on a personal anti-McDonalds campaign considering there are lots of folks that like McDonalds and that's thier choice.  I just choose not to go there. (probably a bad analogy since I don't eat fast food LOL)

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2/05/12 8:34:13 AM#37
Originally posted by noncley
Originally posted by Gibbonici
Originally posted by noncley
Originally posted by Gibbonici
 
[snip]Caveat emptor -  there's a reason why that phrase is in Latin...[snip]

 

 

...What?

It means "buyer beware."  It's the oldest rule in the book for the consumer.

Thank you. I do actually know what it means. I was asking why the poster thought this Latin phrase was in Latin sicne the reason seems important to him.

 

Well only one person can really answer that.   For some reason the idea that latin is a dead language is what comes to mind... that's about the only thing with Latin that stands out to me.

 

Even if that is what it is in reference to... I'm a little foggy on the mindset at the moment.

  Kuinn

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2/05/12 8:59:11 AM#38
Originally posted by Theodwulf

"Puzzled as to why anyone would go thru so much time and effort, again repeatedly, to bash a simple video game, but have decided that it is simply some form of human nature. "

 

  Because people feel like they were duped, IF BW started giving money back to disatisfied customers you would see the seething lake of hatred dry up. THAT is what it comes down to, the "Industry" pulled another fast one on the gaming community another WAR on us. You should understand that, you saw the same thing going on as we all did. Remember EA Louse and the hatchet job EA /BW pulled on the guy? Turns out he was right , in his three paragraphs he wrote on SWTOR he described the game to a "T". Why the hatchet job?

 

  It's guys like you I don't understand. You made PnPer games , you should know better. You should be able to understand the difference between a quality game and thrown together crap. IF the game is freakin' great why are you taking the time away from it? Why aren't you on the official forums sharing game knowledge? NO instead you are here trying to defend a bad game. Opinion? Nope fact . On every technical metric one would use TOR scores low, that's a fact, that is how one dtermines if a game is "Good" or " Bad". YOU can like a bad game BUT that doesn't make it good.

 

  No amount of manufactured "Fan" support is going to change that this game is bad. IF the game was so great there would far fewer people singing it's praises outside the game and it's official forums.

 

When I'm dissatisfied with a computer game, I quit playing it, then I uninstall it, then I maybe (not always) go to forums and state as to why I dont play it, what was wrong in my opinion, then I move on. People spamming from days to weeks and weeks to months how they hate computer game X actually does seem more like some sort of human nature/personality/flaw rather than anything else.

 

Only way I can see it your way is if someone was waiting this game to be their second birth into the virtual life that they'd crave to replace their real lives with. Other than that, I cant think of why would anyone spend so much time raging over one computer game among hundreds of thousands of them, just give feedback and move on, no?

 

I have never said this game (TOR) is something mindblowing or amazing, but I have repeatedly said it's the first mmorpg in ages that I have fun with. When I stop having fun with it, I will unsub, and just maybe post on swtor site or heck even here what I think the game would need in order to keep me subbed if there is such a thing. Then I move on, perhaps discuss about later content updates etc.

 

Oh and, no it's not "another WAR" on us, I quit playing that game like most of everyone I know ever played it because of the technical issues it had, above anything else, some that exist still today like skidooing monsters, sprite-like gfx, constant bugged (98% of the time) animations etc. TOR has none of that, no gamebreaking technical issues, so no, in that sense it has nothing at all in common with WAR, WAR was unplayable to begin with, retaining amazing amount of it's technical problems year after year.

  Dracill

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2/05/12 9:24:52 AM#39
On a side note why are critics bringing the 200 million development cost in all their post? Is it confirmed now or it's another imaginary number like the 300 millions of 6 month ago or the 500 of 2 week ago?

And what relation have the development cost with me? When I go to a movie I care for the quality and If I enjoy it... I don't care about the actor salary
...

But that just me
  Gruug

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2/05/12 9:40:43 AM#40
Originally posted by garry

Forums and posts - thousands of them so I thought I would toss my op in the mix.

 

Bioware - I am a 66 year old retired game designer (PnP). I looked forward to the new SWTOR, played a couple Betas, bought the DDE and am now playing. I want to congratulate you on a job well done. Are there some problems and bugs? Sure - just like EVERY OTHER MMO EVER LAUNCHED! I still like and have fun because the positive aspects of the game outweigh the negatives - by far - for me. Others who have different opinions state them, often, repeatedly, loudly and range from plain disappointment (normal) to outraged quitting obscenity. Puzzled as to why anyone would go thru so much time and effort, again repeatedly, to bash a simple video game, but have decided that it is simply some form of human nature.

 

Just as 'NEWS' organizations give priority to horrifying and 'bad' news, so do review organizations do the same. What works for the reputable news works for the new guys on the block as well. I decided to post instead of playing right now cause I have to go walk the dogs first. Then I will resume my game being a very lucky retired person who can play as much as I like.

 

And I like playing SWTOR. I have 3 characters, Jedi Knight, Smuggler and a new Trooper. Have some Empire characters I am looking forward to playing. I know the bug fixes and updates are coming, not really worried. So once again, well done Bioware and I am enjoying the game.

 

I agree with you 100%. Perhaps it is the fact that wisdom comes with age. Many of those that play games today have not real concept of what it was like over the last 30 years of video game development. All they see is what is there now and therefore have no perspective. I have yet to see the perfect game. What I look for is the game that is FUN FOR ME. SWTOR is one such game. Perfect...no. FUN...yes.

So, to mirror you comments, good job Biowware. Keep the great content coming as well as the fixes.

 

Let's party like it is 1863!

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