I watched this whole vid and read all convos and I have to symphatise with SV and their GM team for having to deal with so much crap of a humankind.

Seriously. This guy probably hasn't been out in the world for the past few years. That or he's simply young. What a cry baby. Getting a 24 hour ban and going in full QQ mode, even rushing into releasing a vid showing himself cheating (or abusing a bug, same shit).

A GM encountering something that looks like cheater should always  IMMIDIATELY take measures. Obviously a loose hacker can potentialy do much much bigger damage, making many more people quit.

Any normal player should be able to realise this and patiently wait for the better of the game. And than after ban is lifted and innocence proven should he take meassures if he doesn't get reimbursed for 24 hours of playtime.

But it seems like he is just desperate for attention. And he demands it NOW. Only one GM has spoken to him! I mean ONLY one, how dare they!!

And everyone MUST realise he is innocent in the next minute vid was released! Or else..!

24 hour ban stays, due to cheating revealed provided by cheater alone (yes, making use of a bug is cheating even if a bug appears unintended). And than he quits. Now that's a hurt gamers ego right there.

Originally posted by Midnightseph

What is very interesting to me though is how absolutely no one asked about the other guy who got banned. The video proved that neither of us did what we were accused of in the first place. They try to justify my ban using my video. What about the other guy though? Unfortunately his ban also stayed even though he did nothing and he didn’t get an apology either.

Well, I´ve personally taken a break from MO due to me being pissed off at cheaters I´ve run into. And here we have a guy that litterally get cought with his pants down, and he comes here to win sympathy for cheating. Wow. Just wow. I hope they perma ban you and anyone else that keep ruining the game for others. You´ve probably hurt the game more then SV ever been able to do. Cheaters to me are the lowest of low. I have zero sympathy for this kind of act. Where the hell is the fun in playing a game, and the only way to win, is to cheat? You get a freaking red card in my book every day in the week. Good work SV and I hope you´ve learned somehting from this, but reading your replies tell me your a lost cause.

Originally posted by Norpan

Originally posted by Midnightseph

What is very interesting to me though is how absolutely no one asked about the other guy who got banned. The video proved that neither of us did what we were accused of in the first place. They try to justify my ban using my video. What about the other guy though? Unfortunately his ban also stayed even though he did nothing and he didn’t get an apology either.

Well, I´ve personally taken a break from MO due to me being pissed off at cheaters I´ve run into. And here we have a guy that litterally get cought with his pants down, and he comes here to win sympathy for cheating. Wow. Just wow. I hope they perma ban you and anyone else that keep ruining the game for others. You´ve probably hurt the game more then SV ever been able to do. Cheaters to me are the lowest of low. I have zero sympathy for this kind of act. Where the hell is the fun in playing a game, and the only way to win, is to cheat? You get a freaking red card in my book every day in the week. Good work SV and I hope you´ve learned somehting from this, but reading your replies tell me your a lost cause.

While I do agree cheaters are scum that should be permabanned, you also have to remember that a poorly designed and coded game provides more opportunities to cheat. A game with amaterurish customer support and biased player GMs makes the issue even worse.

So of course, cheaters should be banned (and also named and shamed, imo), but SV has a history of very shady dealings with knowns hacks and exploits - sometimes banning random people for minor stuff, sometimes allowing well-known hackers, dupers and exploiters to come back time after time. More often than not, GMs have done nothing to prevent serious exploits (like glitching into palisades), and then interfered during sieges, giving one side unfair advantages, officially because the other side "exploited" even though that was not the case.

So yeah, cheaters harm the game, but SV harms it even more by not dealing with them in an adequate way. There will always be players who cheat, especially in competetive games like MO and it's up to the devs to do something about it. It's not like moralizing about it will make cheating go away...

Originally posted by Biskop

Originally posted by Norpan

Originally posted by Midnightseph

What is very interesting to me though is how absolutely no one asked about the other guy who got banned. The video proved that neither of us did what we were accused of in the first place. They try to justify my ban using my video. What about the other guy though? Unfortunately his ban also stayed even though he did nothing and he didn’t get an apology either.

Well, I´ve personally taken a break from MO due to me being pissed off at cheaters I´ve run into. And here we have a guy that litterally get cought with his pants down, and he comes here to win sympathy for cheating. Wow. Just wow. I hope they perma ban you and anyone else that keep ruining the game for others. You´ve probably hurt the game more then SV ever been able to do. Cheaters to me are the lowest of low. I have zero sympathy for this kind of act. Where the hell is the fun in playing a game, and the only way to win, is to cheat? You get a freaking red card in my book every day in the week. Good work SV and I hope you´ve learned somehting from this, but reading your replies tell me your a lost cause.

While I do agree cheaters are scum that should be permabanned, you also have to remember that a poorly designed and coded game provides more opportunities to cheat. A game with amaterurish customer support and biased player GMs makes the issue even worse.

So of course, cheaters should be banned (and also named and shamed, imo), but SV has a history of very shady dealings with knowns hacks and exploits - sometimes banning random people for minor stuff, sometimes allowing well-known hackers, dupers and exploiters to come back time after time. More often than not, GMs have done nothing to prevent serious exploits (like glitching into palisades), and then interfered during sieges, giving one side unfair advantages, officially because the other side "exploited" even though that was not the case.

So yeah, cheaters harm the game, but SV harms it even more by not dealing with them in an adequate way. There will always be players who cheat, especially in competetive games like MO and it's up to the devs to do something about it. It's not like moralizing about it will make cheating go away...

 

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Originally posted by Biskop

Originally posted by Norpan

Originally posted by Midnightseph

What is very interesting to me though is how absolutely no one asked about the other guy who got banned. The video proved that neither of us did what we were accused of in the first place. They try to justify my ban using my video. What about the other guy though? Unfortunately his ban also stayed even though he did nothing and he didn’t get an apology either.

Well, I´ve personally taken a break from MO due to me being pissed off at cheaters I´ve run into. And here we have a guy that litterally get cought with his pants down, and he comes here to win sympathy for cheating. Wow. Just wow. I hope they perma ban you and anyone else that keep ruining the game for others. You´ve probably hurt the game more then SV ever been able to do. Cheaters to me are the lowest of low. I have zero sympathy for this kind of act. Where the hell is the fun in playing a game, and the only way to win, is to cheat? You get a freaking red card in my book every day in the week. Good work SV and I hope you´ve learned somehting from this, but reading your replies tell me your a lost cause.

While I do agree cheaters are scum that should be permabanned, you also have to remember that a poorly designed and coded game provides more opportunities to cheat. A game with amaterurish customer support and biased player GMs makes the issue even worse.

So of course, cheaters should be banned (and also named and shamed, imo), but SV has a history of very shady dealings with knowns hacks and exploits - sometimes banning random people for minor stuff, sometimes allowing well-known hackers, dupers and exploiters to come back time after time. More often than not, GMs have done nothing to prevent serious exploits (like glitching into palisades), and then interfered during sieges, giving one side unfair advantages, officially because the other side "exploited" even though that was not the case.

So yeah, cheaters harm the game, but SV harms it even more by not dealing with them in an adequate way. There will always be players who cheat, especially in competetive games like MO and it's up to the devs to do something about it. It's not like moralizing about it will make cheating go away...

 

I do agree that SV has been not as hard as they should have in dealing with cheaters, but i think they now have better tools in doing so compared to how it was before. So I hope they will get better, and if not, maybe the cheaters will post vids like this to give them a helping hand. :P I´ve seen cheats all over the MMO map. Even SWTOR and WoW etc has had them. But I guess it´s easier to do it in MO, or at least that it has been. And I hope they ban cheaters in every single game that cheaters get caught in.

Love how we see a long video, and then it cuts out and goes to a section where we see the banned message.

Why didn't you post the video uncut, instead of cutting out whatever happened before the ban?

Also, hit boxes are bugged when you customize your ini file resolution... it is VERY obvious that this is what you have done in your video because your arrows hit the target based on the crosshair NOT the arrow tip (not to mention the shitty quality of the video).  I put the blame on SV for not having better INI file checking, and not fixing resolution issues...  but a ban for this would be totally fair.

Arrow stacking is a minor issue... INI file mods are not.

Originally posted by Midnightseph

Cyde and Nightmare, trying hard are we?

Keep it ip, I like the attention. Its really fun =)

So you seriously make no attempts to defend yourself? Content to just behave like a child? I think it's shocking that you're making a massive fuss over a 24 hour ban when you're not even remotely innocent of exploiting.

Originally posted by darthturtle1

Which you are one of them. 

You say that accusingly as if you expect me not to openly admit to it.

But guess what, if hitting people in the back when you're infront on their screen was deemed an exploit and I got a 24 hour ban for it I sure wouldnt come and flood this forum with my tears

Originally posted by Biskop

Originally posted by Cyde77

The game itself is laggy which really means skill has little importance as the best fighters are those who know how to manipulate the prediction and if you're laggy I can only imagine it gets amplified.

 

This is very informative imo. One of the best-known and respected PvPers in MO states that MO's PvP requires little skill beyond effective manipulation of the game's crappy perfomance.

PvP being the sole focus of the game, one would have thought that at least it should require some degree of skill. But no, it's all about lag switching, glitching, bug exploiting and even hacking.

Let me ask you Cyde, why do you, as a PvPer, still play a game that requires no skill?

Because it isnt just one aspect of the whole MO idea that appeals to me. Besides, the prediction manipulation idea is only really of use in very small fights, i.e 1v1s, 2v2s etc, after that it really doesnt have that much involvement (in before "doesnt a 2v2 involve pretty much the entire population online at a given time? hu hu hu hu"). But yeah, I wont deny that I'll completely fuck with the prediction when fighting good players 1v1, and you can pretty much guarantee they'll do the same. And yes it does suck, because when you compare it to something as smooth as M&B combat it makes every 1v1 victory in MO feel completely hollow and worthless.

"PvP being the sole focus of the game, one would have thought that at least it should require some degree of skill. But no, it's all about lag switching, glitching, bug exploiting and even hacking."

That is an exaggeration. As I said the prediction abuse is only really prevalent in very small fights. Deliberate lag switching is very rare, "obvious" hacking too, and if there are subtle hackers out there they must be pretty bad because there really havent been many noticeably good players in this game since release. As for exploits there's always a few ingame, but they are rarely game breaking, INI file editing is still a problem though (Nightburn will confirm that, lol)

It does of course take skill in other aspects, tactical ability as well as knowing what to do and when to do it, "some" twitch skill to land hits consistently

Anyway Ive been getting a hell of a lot more fun out of BF3 and M&B lately as well as spending the majority of my time at uni, I barely play MO atm.

Originally posted by Keshanberk

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@ Cyde I did not say that you manipulate the prediction system thinking you would not admit it.  You freely have admitted it.  My point is that it sux someone can do that in the game.

And this whole fiasco shows that SV has no tools or craptastic tools to detect cheaters.  Like i have said before they should give a free copy of fraps to every paying customer that has to be playing the whole time and is downloaded to a SV server so gms can look through them.  It seems that is the only way cheaters are caught. 

I do not know how many times in guilds I have been in we would have our designated frapser to catch cheaters. 

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Originally posted by Cyde77

Originally posted by Midnightseph

Cyde and Nightmare, trying hard are we?

Keep it ip, I like the attention. Its really fun =)

So you seriously make no attempts to defend yourself? Content to just behave like a child? I think it's shocking that you're making a massive fuss over a 24 hour ban when you're not even remotely innocent of exploiting.

Originally posted by darthturtle1

Which you are one of them. 

You say that accusingly as if you expect me not to openly admit to it.

But guess what, if hitting people in the back when you're infront on their screen was deemed an exploit and I got a 24 hour ban for it I sure wouldnt come and flood this forum with my tears

Originally posted by Biskop

Originally posted by Cyde77

The game itself is laggy which really means skill has little importance as the best fighters are those who know how to manipulate the prediction and if you're laggy I can only imagine it gets amplified.

 

This is very informative imo. One of the best-known and respected PvPers in MO states that MO's PvP requires little skill beyond effective manipulation of the game's crappy perfomance.

PvP being the sole focus of the game, one would have thought that at least it should require some degree of skill. But no, it's all about lag switching, glitching, bug exploiting and even hacking.

Let me ask you Cyde, why do you, as a PvPer, still play a game that requires no skill?

Because it isnt just one aspect of the whole MO idea that appeals to me. Besides, the prediction manipulation idea is only really of use in very small fights, i.e 1v1s, 2v2s etc, after that it really doesnt have that much involvement (in before "doesnt a 2v2 involve pretty much the entire population online at a given time? hu hu hu hu"). But yeah, I wont deny that I'll completely fuck with the prediction when fighting good players 1v1, and you can pretty much guarantee they'll do the same. And yes it does suck, because when you compare it to something as smooth as M&B combat it makes every 1v1 victory in MO feel completely hollow and worthless.

"PvP being the sole focus of the game, one would have thought that at least it should require some degree of skill. But no, it's all about lag switching, glitching, bug exploiting and even hacking."

That is an exaggeration. As I said the prediction abuse is only really prevalent in very small fights. Deliberate lag switching is very rare, "obvious" hacking too, and if there are subtle hackers out there they must be pretty bad because there really havent been many noticeably good players in this game since release. As for exploits there's always a few ingame, but they are rarely game breaking, INI file editing is still a problem though (Nightburn will confirm that, lol)

It does of course take skill in other aspects, tactical ability as well as knowing what to do and when to do it, "some" twitch skill to land hits consistently

Anyway Ive been getting a hell of a lot more fun out of BF3 and M&B lately as well as spending the majority of my time at uni, I barely play MO atm.

Originally posted by Keshanberk

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Hey Cyde, Is the shit hitting the fan?

And still... no one cared about the other player that was banned... so sad...

Everyone that is a factor has cheated /exploited in some way or another in MO. Its well known that a few GMs are infact either in AQ or very friendly with them. This game has fallen so far down the toilet its impossible to even polish the turd anymore. I cant understand why you guys still play this? Its like paying to be abused.

Originally posted by AllSeeingGuy

Everyone that is a factor has cheated /exploited in some way or another in MO. Its well known that a few GMs are infact either in AQ or very friendly with them. This game has fallen so far down the toilet its impossible to even polish the turd anymore. I cant understand why you guys still play this? Its like paying to be abused.

To be Devils Advocate.  There are so many bugs that give unfair advantages and exploits in game you can be doing one and not know it.

I have an archer and one time there was a bow stamina bug.  If you put your bow on your back you would regain stamina as if you were in combat mode.  Which running around in regular mode is almost having unlimited stamina.  I did not realize what was going on until I asked someone why is my stamina all super charged??  Then they told me and said look around why do you think everyone has a bow on their back. 

But yes there are people whose only goal is to find every bug and unfair advantage in game and use it over and over.  And MO is the perfect game for those people there code in the game is terrible.  I do not understand how all these people can edit their INI files and SV can do nothing about it until some fool posts a fraps of themself and then SV bans them.  Quite comical if you ask me.

Originally posted by Norpan

I do agree that SV has been not as hard as they should have in dealing with cheaters, but i think they now have better tools in doing so compared to how it was before. So I hope they will get better, and if not, maybe the cheaters will post vids like this to give them a helping hand. :P I´ve seen cheats all over the MMO map. Even SWTOR and WoW etc has had them. But I guess it´s easier to do it in MO, or at least that it has been. And I hope they ban cheaters in every single game that cheaters get caught in.

Yeah, cheaters are everywhere. The difference is that

a) most other games do not provide cheaters as many possible exploits, dupes, glitches and messed up code as MO.

b) most companies know how to deal with cheaters, because they have competent and unbiased people working for them.

c) most other games do not feature FFA PvP and full loot - if someone cheats in SWTOR or WoW he might beat you to level cap or get some purple gear faster than you, but if someone cheats in MO he can kill you and your friends, take your loot and destroy your assets, i.e. cheating actively hurts the "honest" players in a very direct way.