Originally posted by stayontarget

Originally posted by YouNube

Yes, so it does usually take 5 people to take down, does this change the fact, that it still does the same thing even for 4 minutes instead of 9? 

The point is, that no matter how shiny it looks, the concept is the same. You go to it, even if you dont have to TAB-TARGET it, you still use 1-5 skills and just dodge the mobs attacks. So what is so awesome about it ?

I played vindictus and DCUO for a really long time, so im allowed to say, this combat style is fun, but the fun doesnt last long enough. But its also limiting. Being able to hit only 1 target, no matter what skill combos you have to use, lowers the skill cap.  Just to give an example - if you for example play some CC class, you NEED to be able to target different people, or as a healer you also need to be able to target different people. Being able to do a couple of things at one time is what makes you a good and skilled player. And that differs the good players from the really good players. No matter MMORPG, MOBA, RTS or w/e. Where if you have just a crosshair, most of the time you will be doing whatever is that  to only 1 target at a time.

Wow ur such an expert.

Thank you for your answer. Point taken - just a trolling fanboi :)

Originally posted by YouNube

Yes, so it does usually take 5 people to take down, does this change the fact, that it still does the same thing even for 4 minutes instead of 9? 

The point is, that no matter how shiny it looks, the concept is the same. You go to it, even if you dont have to TAB-TARGET it, you still use 1-5 skills and just dodge the mobs attacks. So what is so awesome about it ?

I played vindictus and DCUO for a really long time, so im allowed to say, this combat style is fun, but the fun doesnt last long enough. But its also limiting. Being able to hit only 1 target, no matter what skill combos you have to use, lowers the skill cap.  Just to give an example - if you for example play some CC class, you NEED to be able to target different people, or as a healer you also need to be able to target different people. Being able to do a couple of things at one time is what makes you a good and skilled player. And that differs the good players from the really good players. No matter MMORPG, MOBA, RTS or w/e. Where if you have just a crosshair, most of the time you will be doing whatever is that  to only 1 target at a time.

TERA does have AOE abilities so I don't get why you are saying that you can't attack multiple enemies at once.

Not talking about AoE, im talking about 1v1, or even group PvP like 3v3, 5v5 etc. Imagine some big scale open world pvp, how would it look like in TERA ? So everyone kills 1 target at a time ? Or the AoE abilites will be OP and killing everyone who stands in them ?

Originally posted by YouNube

Not talking about AoE, im talking about 1v1, or even group PvP like 3v3, 5v5 etc. Imagine some big scale open world pvp, how would it look like in TERA ? So everyone kills 1 target at a time ? Or the AoE abilites will be OP and killing everyone who stands in them ?

I think I finally understand what you mean.

You mean that in combat in DCUO you automaticaly go to the nearest target when you attack right? So it's auto-target.

The difference here is that in TERA you aim so you can hit or heal whoever you want.

EDIT: For more info on the combat look here http://tera.enmasse.com/game-guide/gameplay

Originally posted by Mannish

I am also really hoping the lawsuit does not stop the release. Other then ArcheAge this is it for me.

Yep, same for me. Possibly GW 2 as well but I have my doubts that it will be yet another linear themepark.

Originally posted by YouNube

Not talking about AoE, im talking about 1v1, or even group PvP like 3v3, 5v5 etc. Imagine some big scale open world pvp, how would it look like in TERA ? So everyone kills 1 target at a time ? Or the AoE abilites will be OP and killing everyone who stands in them ?

Its actually pretty freakin' awesome. Ive seem a few 10 vs 10 pvp, its pretty neat stuff. The pvp I saw was fairly low level so the amount of skills were limited. I hear the pvp only really gets interesting around level 40, but thats around when you are getting into the glyph system and getting really good enchancement crystals.

Originally posted by stayontarget

Originally posted by BTrayaL

Some time ago, I was waiting TERA with great excitement... now I could only see the background mobs in the video, and how they lack any sort of patrolling AI... they just stand there on the map.

This is not something I consider immersive :(

Are you serious ?  must I help you out.  ~sigh~   http://www.twitch.tv/goditer

Now granted I havent looked at Tera much at all. Ok nothing except for the OP's video and I just watched your stream for a couple min. A couple things I noticed to make me not even want to look at the game.

1. Slow combat. Maybe its what you where doing (killing the humanoid looking things with big axes) or the class. But it looked slow. Not interested in slow.

2. AI. Well not much I could tell except thing walked around but where spread so far apart that you really didnt have to be carefull. The OP's video did nothing for showing any AI either. I may be wrong here but again, just going off what I saw in the OP's video and little bit of the stream.

3. Standardized questing. I cant read korean so I can only assume the mobs you where killing that had the ! next to there head where a basic kill quest or gather from dead mobs quest.  I dont mind a game having a frew of thoes but when thats the first thing I see? No thanks.

The stuff I saw that was good though was the graphics and animations. Both look verry good. Like always I'll get bored and try whatever happened to come out last. But from what little bit I have seen (and I admit the OP vid and 2-3min of your stream isnt rightfully enough to judge a game on) I'm not interested in another themepark MMO that just adds aiming into it. And in my brief 5min total of seeing TERA thats what I see out of it.

Before people go apeshit on me I fully admit 5min total time watching a game realy isnt enough to base an opinion on. I am just going off "first impressions" of what I saw in that time.

Well EME is suppose to have an open beta, and if it is truly open to all, you should check it out. Since you could just download it and try it for free, it couldn't possibly hurt.

OFCOURSE i will try it, it looks to good to just pass it, but im just sharing my concerns on everything i read/saw about the game already. I mean i remember how pumped i was when i found about it, and now after all those clips/videos/streams it just doesnt seem as good as i hoped it would be :(

Originally posted by YouNube

OFCOURSE i will try it, it looks to good to just pass it, but im just sharing my concerns on everything i read/saw about the game already. I mean i remember how pumped i was when i found about it, and now after all those clips/videos/streams it just doesnt seem as good as i hoped it would be :(

Ya, I found it is hard to stay optimistic about Tera at times, but I just think about like this. It has issues, so does every mmo in the  beggining. Though it has been out in Korea for a year,but we are getting a very talored expericence in comparison to theirs. 

So just stay optimistic but reserve your excitement.

I liked it. I do wonder about healing though. Will healers be forced into concentrating on keeping their cross hairs on the tank? Looking for someone who is obscured etc might add a level of realism and organisation to groups but could be frustrating for pugs. I watched the priest class video but it didn't show any actual healing!

Originally posted by Sector13

*yawn* slow combat is slow.

Yeah, it is a very tactical combat system.  But show me a Shank and plank MMORPG where combto isn't slow.  This game is no worse than any other game of the genre out right now.  Which isn't sayijng much, since all the games in this genre seem to be mass produced, stamped from the same mold.

Originally posted by arctarus
im still considering between beserker or slayer, need to find out if slayer can block. can't wait for may 1st!

Slayer gets a dodge/roll like Warrior has.

Originally posted by Hatefull

Originally posted by Sector13

*yawn* slow combat is slow.

Yeah, it is a very tactical combat system.  But show me a Shank and plank MMORPG where combto isn't slow.  This game is no worse than any other game of the genre out right now.  Which isn't sayijng much, since all the games in this genre seem to be mass produced, stamped from the same mold.

 

Shank and Plank? Are we just making up terms now?

Originally posted by rounner

I liked it. I do wonder about healing though. Will healers be forced into concentrating on keeping their cross hairs on the tank? Looking for someone who is obscured etc might add a level of realism and organisation to groups but could be frustrating for pugs. I watched the priest class video but it didn't show any actual healing!

The priest has a few focus heals where as you have to actually hit the person you are healing. And they also have a few aoe's.

While the Mystic has orbs they can drop and you can pick them  up whenever and they will heal you. 

Both are awesome healers.

Originally posted by spaceport

IMO both GW2 and Tera have great combat.

However i kinda like Tera's combat more, having skills lock you down while you do them adds a whole new level of tactics, you have to be much more careful of what skill you use and if it's worthy considering it's animation.

Also that video doesn't make justice, the Berzerker is the slowest class of the game, the Slayer and Warrior are much faster.

I just can't imagine how allowing everyone to bunny hope and run around while they do a sword slash makes sense, sounds like simplification.

Also i would love to see a combat video of a Caster in GW2, do you have to aim like you do in Tera?

 

 

BTW, if this game didn't had huge weapons, it would be impossible to PVP with melee clases xD.

GW2 Elementalist PvP video

And to answer your question about targetting, yes and no. By that I mean that some skills are completely skill-shot based and some aren't, although you can dodge every skill in-game by combat dodging as shown in the video.

On topic: Thanks for the vid, still looking forward to playing TERA. Honestly, TERA and GW2 seem to be the only MMOs in the near future that look like they'll keep me interested for more than 5 minutes.

Dunno why people are raving about this, just looks like another generic Asian MMO. 

Originally posted by tixylix

Dunno why people are raving about this, just looks like another generic Asian MMO. 

You don't have to generalise MMO's or else you would have to call SWTOR another generic Western MMO.

Originally posted by tixylix

Dunno why people are raving about this, just looks like another generic Asian MMO. 

As opposed to the generic western themeparks, the so called WoW clones, we've been fed the last years?

On the point of the video, I think that generally in all MMOs that I've played combat looks dull even when it's actually interesting for those participating. Then again, I'm usually a healer, so I play the fill the bar game most of the time.