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  SBFord

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OP  1/27/12 8:45:12 AM#1

After originally stating that En Masse would refrain from commentary regarding the TERA lawsuit filed by NCSoft, Publishing Vice President Chris Lee has been quoted on the official forums summarily dismissing the allegations...and saying that the company would refrain from further commentary.

"We are disappointed that NCsoft is attempting to mar the launch of TERA. Unfortunately we can't discuss much publicly due to the sensitivity of legal actions, but we do outright reject the NCsoft claims, and we are going to do everything in our power to defend and protect ourselves.

To all our supporters who have been anticipating the arrival of TERA – please know that this situation has no impact on our continuing efforts to realize the vision we have for our game. We are committed to making TERA awesome and delivering the game to you on time on May 1. Thank you for your patience and support."

Source: Massively

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  Jockan

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1/27/12 8:57:08 AM#2

Good luck


  nyxium

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Tumbling down the rabbit hole?

1/27/12 8:59:48 AM#3

Only a duel to the death by pistols at dawn can truly resolve this situation. It is demanded.

  dinams

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1/27/12 9:02:57 AM#4
Originally posted by nyxium

Only a duel to the death by pistols at dawn can truly resolve this situation. It is demanded.

I think they should play a match of unreal tournament to see who wins this

See what I did there?

"It has potential"
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"It sucks"
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  saurus123

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1/27/12 9:05:17 AM#5

To all our supporters who have been anticipating the arrival of TERA – please know that this situation has no impact on our continuing efforts to realize the vision we have for our game.

 

they stole the code, lost case in korea and still calling tera thier game?

:D

  nyxium

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Tumbling down the rabbit hole?

1/27/12 9:09:48 AM#6
Originally posted by dinams
Originally posted by nyxium

Only a duel to the death by pistols at dawn can truly resolve this situation. It is demanded.

I think they should play a match of unreal tournament to see who wins this

See what I did there?

No rematches!

  Letyson

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1/27/12 9:10:36 AM#7

Originally posted by saurus123

To all our supporters who have been anticipating the arrival of TERA – please know that this situation has no impact on our continuing efforts to realize the vision we have for our game.


 


they stole the code, lost case in korea and still calling tera thier game?


:D



 


Sure if it's possible to steal your own work, then I guess they stole it...


I know they were under NCsoft payment, but these type of legal questions are so stupid since they can't really unlearn their own vision for a new project. Sure they lost the case in Korea, but they basically payed NCsoft a large amount of money, so there shouldn't be a problem.. NCsoft are just being D's now for doing this close to launch.


  RagnorMalak

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1/27/12 9:10:59 AM#8
Originally posted by dinams
Originally posted by nyxium

Only a duel to the death by pistols at dawn can truly resolve this situation. It is demanded.

I think they should play a match of unreal tournament to see who wins this

See what I did there?

You're clever today ;)

  Master10K

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Posts: 3086

1/27/12 9:11:47 AM#9

This is like Tabula Rasa all over again. This game sounds like it's doomed to become vapourware, the more I hear about this lawsuit.


  Sector13

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Posts: 634

1/27/12 9:12:18 AM#10
Originally posted by Letyson

Originally posted by saurus123

To all our supporters who have been anticipating the arrival of TERA – please know that this situation has no impact on our continuing efforts to realize the vision we have for our game.


 


they stole the code, lost case in korea and still calling tera thier game?


:D



 

Sure if it's possible to steal your own work, then I guess they stole it...


I know they were under NCsoft payment, but these type of legal questions are so stupid since they can't really unlearn their own vision for a new project. Sure they lost the case in Korea, but they basically payed NCsoft a large amount of money, so there shouldn't be a problem.. NCsoft are just being D's now for doing this close to launch.

Obviously you need to read what happened. BHS and EME are in the wrong here. Simple as that.

  Msenge

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Posts: 90

1/27/12 9:16:34 AM#11
Originally posted by Letyson

Originally posted by saurus123

To all our supporters who have been anticipating the arrival of TERA – please know that this situation has no impact on our continuing efforts to realize the vision we have for our game.


 


they stole the code, lost case in korea and still calling tera thier game?


:D



 

Sure if it's possible to steal your own work, then I guess they stole it...


I know they were under NCsoft payment, but these type of legal questions are so stupid since they can't really unlearn their own vision for a new project. Sure they lost the case in Korea, but they basically payed NCsoft a large amount of money, so there shouldn't be a problem.. NCsoft are just being D's now for doing this close to launch.

And how exactly was NCSoft supposted to take a claim to US courts before EME made a offical move to launch in the US (i.e. a launch date for release)?  Considering they only just recently posted a release date NCSoft acted pretty quickly.

  Akais

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1/27/12 9:21:02 AM#12

I was wondering when this issue would raise its' head.  NA's laws on this matter are much more stringent and they have already given in on the suit filed in Korea. I don't know that double jeopardy could even possibly count.

NCSoft is really just bleeding these guys now.

Would be funny if TERA came here and was a breakout hit given how Aion has done.

  Sovrath

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1/27/12 9:25:52 AM#13
Originally posted by Letyson

 

Sure if it's possible to steal your own work, then I guess they stole it...


I know they were under NCsoft payment, but these type of legal questions are so stupid since they can't really unlearn their own vision for a new project. Sure they lost the case in Korea, but they basically payed NCsoft a large amount of money, so there shouldn't be a problem.. NCsoft are just being D's now for doing this close to launch.

Hey Letyson, I don't think you realize how this stuff works.

When you are hired by a company you sign contracts that stated that anything you create using company tools, money or anything you create on company time belongs to that company.

Sometimes companies also have employees sign a non-compete agreement.

So sure, one can't unlearn what one learns while at a company but once you are no longer part of that company you must apply what you learn in a way that doesn't infringe on what you created at that company.

  User Deleted
1/27/12 9:28:25 AM#14

I honestly could care less about what NCSoft thinks. Their games are never that good except Guild Wars 2. I wonder if Tera's release date has anything to do with the fact with Guild Wars 2's release plans. Interesting at best I think.

  Letyson

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Joined: 1/11/11
Posts: 13

1/27/12 9:30:30 AM#15

Originally posted by Sector13


Obviously you need to read what happened. BHS and EME are in the wrong here. Simple as that.


 


I know very well what happen, but this goes beyond money and reason. They are just doing this now to get payback when they left the company to start with. NCsoft have had all the time to take this case up, and they decide to do it now, and for what?


If NCsoft wins they can just sit back then and say: "Awesome, that was great we made them loose this case, now they can't release their game because it's our material, now we'll have no worries when we release Guild Wars 2"


... ye great, thx NCsoft, you sure did need that 


  parrotpholk

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1/27/12 9:33:31 AM#16
Originally posted by Letyson

Originally posted by saurus123

To all our supporters who have been anticipating the arrival of TERA – please know that this situation has no impact on our continuing efforts to realize the vision we have for our game.


 


they stole the code, lost case in korea and still calling tera thier game?


:D



 

Sure if it's possible to steal your own work, then I guess they stole it...


I know they were under NCsoft payment, but these type of legal questions are so stupid since they can't really unlearn their own vision for a new project. Sure they lost the case in Korea, but they basically payed NCsoft a large amount of money, so there shouldn't be a problem.. NCsoft are just being D's now for doing this close to launch.

When you enter the real workforce you will find out real quick why BHS is in the wrong.  There are contracts and forms that were signed and if they used any of the code that belonged to NCSoft in Tera then it is wrong and the game should be stopped.  This has zero to do with unlearning something.  When I took my position I had to sign non compete agreements and I have seen my company sue succesfully when people took  work we were doing here to another company.  When you enter tha real world arena you will come face to face with these legally binding situattions.

  Leucrotta

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1/27/12 9:34:20 AM#17
Originally posted by Letyson
 

I know very well what happen, but this goes beyond money and reason. They are just doing this now to get payback when they left the company to start with. NCsoft have had all the time to take this case up, and they decide to do it now, and for what?


If NCsoft wins they can just sit back then and say: "Awesome, that was great we made them loose this case, now they can't release their game because it's our material, now we'll have no worries when we release Guild Wars 2"


... ye great, thx NCsoft, you sure did need that 

They didnt sue just now, NC and BHS are in court for years already

  parrotpholk

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1/27/12 9:34:51 AM#18
Originally posted by Mephster

I honestly could care less about what NCSoft thinks. Their games are never that good except Guild Wars 2. I wonder if Tera's release date has anything to do with the fact with Guild Wars 2's release plans. Interesting at best I think.

Tera is no competition to GW2.  GW2 is mass market and aimed at a large audience.  Tera is aimed to a niche audience.

  lizardbones

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1/27/12 9:37:04 AM#19

You know what would be bad? If they hired some people who inserted the L3 source code into Tera without telling anyone. They got the jobs because they could produce code, and instead of producing it, they copied it.

For every large, complex problem, there is a simple, clear solution that also happens to be absolutely wrong.

  Letyson

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1/27/12 9:37:24 AM#20

Originally posted by Sovrath


Hey Letyson, I don't think you realize how this stuff works.

When you are hired by a company you sign contracts that stated that anything you create using company tools, money or anything you create on company time belongs to that company.


Sometimes companies also have employees sign a non-compete agreement.


So sure, one can't unlearn what one learns while at a company but once you are no longer part of that company you must apply what you learn in a way that doesn't infringe on what you created at that company.



 


Yes I know that, but that doesn't mean I actually agree on it.


Coding  and ideas are like craftsmanship, no matter how much you restrict yourself will you keep finding small similarities here and there. I know that BHS and EME have a bad case here, and I know that through court procedures NCsoft have all the right to claim their stuff since they were paying the people and they were under contract.


I just feel like this could hurt us who are waiting for Tera, just because NCsoft wants to be "right" D:


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