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  Robsolf

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1/17/12 10:49:47 AM#21

It's not that big a deal to me, but folks declaring false advertising in the screen shots... well... that's a perfectly valid point.


If they do finally get it working, I hope they put some scaling in.  My system is probably strong enough in most situations to pull off higher rez textures that are in the game, but even at current settings my FPS bottoms out severely on the fleet decks... some 200 people zooming around.


  Joshua69

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1/17/12 10:50:56 AM#22
Originally posted by JeroKane
Originally posted by lizardbones

Since this wasn't really an issue for me, I think they handled it fine. I never thought the graphics looked all that bad. Of course, I'm not running a high end rig so high end settings would probably just tank my system.

 You know. These kind of responses just piss me off to no end!

So just because you do not have a High End rig and do not care about graphics, it's automatically fine how Bioware handled it?

I find that highly arrogant and egocentric! Totally disregarding and disrespecting a lot of people out there that DO HAVE High End rigs (some even build a new one specially for this game) and DO CARE about HighRes graphics!

That's why GOOD games have plenty of graphic settings to adjust the graphics to match what YOUR system can handle!

WE WANT the CHOICE ourselves to run the game with HighRes textures and DECIDE ourselves if our system can handle it or not!

Is that too much to ask?  I think not! Especially since the HighRes textures are already there!

I havea moderatly high rig and could probably run the game on a much higher setting. But bashing someone else for not having the oppertunity to play witch such a setting is retarded. The game is an MMO - its supposed to appeal to the mass's. not the handfful of the mass's that have the "high rig". If they did that, it would end up like AoC. The graphics are fine imo, there will be improvements over time...I understand your argument, but if you want things to look prettier get crysis 2. I would guess that its easier for them to slowly add better settings overtime, as oppose to havingf all these wacky settings at the get go and having even more issues to work out from different bugs from different settings. "o thats what beta's for", you can only beta so much....

  MMOGamer71

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1/17/12 10:53:00 AM#23
Originally posted by MattNe
Originally posted by Forumtalker
Originally posted by voltt

Got a high end computer game runs fine no fps issues.

 

The game looks great haveing a blast playing

 

Who F****** cares about the high res textures, enjoy the f****** game

Following your "point", ask yourself:

"Then why does Bioware use High Resolution to advertise the game"

 

 

Its marketing..I mean seriously, have you ever gotten a BigMac that looked as it did on TV?

Yes it is about marketing my point and response is to show that PC GAMERS care about graphics, consumers do not care about how a BigMac looks.  Please don't "straw man" the aguement comparing SWTOR to a BigMac.

 

The "issue" with MMO development is that there are TOO MANY suits and not enough gamers making games.

  JeroKane

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1/17/12 10:56:46 AM#24
Originally posted by Joshua69
Originally posted by JeroKane
Originally posted by lizardbones

Since this wasn't really an issue for me, I think they handled it fine. I never thought the graphics looked all that bad. Of course, I'm not running a high end rig so high end settings would probably just tank my system.

 You know. These kind of responses just piss me off to no end!

So just because you do not have a High End rig and do not care about graphics, it's automatically fine how Bioware handled it?

I find that highly arrogant and egocentric! Totally disregarding and disrespecting a lot of people out there that DO HAVE High End rigs (some even build a new one specially for this game) and DO CARE about HighRes graphics!

That's why GOOD games have plenty of graphic settings to adjust the graphics to match what YOUR system can handle!

WE WANT the CHOICE ourselves to run the game with HighRes textures and DECIDE ourselves if our system can handle it or not!

Is that too much to ask?  I think not! Especially since the HighRes textures are already there!

I havea moderatly high rig and could probably run the game on a much higher setting. But bashing someone else for not having the oppertunity to play witch such a setting is retarded. The game is an MMO - its supposed to appeal to the mass's. not the handfful of the mass's that have the "high rig". If they did that, it would end up like AoC. The graphics are fine imo, there will be improvements over time...I understand your argument, but if you want things to look prettier get crysis 2. I would guess that its easier for them to slowly add better settings overtime, as oppose to havingf all these wacky settings at the get go and having even more issues to work out from different bugs from different settings. "o thats what beta's for", you can only beta so much....

 ?? You know your post is full of irony right?

So because there are people out there that do not have High End rigs, all other people that DO have HighEnd rigs just have to suck it up and suffer lower graphics??

Are you serious? Do you even hear what you are saying here and how ridiculous that sounds?

By your post and definition all games today should still be stuck in year 90's graphics, because there are still people out there with 10 year old PC's !

EverQuest 2 should remove the HighRes textures!

LOTRO should remove the HighRes texture client download! Remove DX10 and DX11 !

Age of Conan should remove their HighRes textures and DX10!

In other words... pretty much every other MMO out there (some even over 7 years old) should remove all High Graphic settings, because there are people out there that cannot run them on these settings!

/SIGH

  StSynner

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1/17/12 10:58:16 AM#25

Originally posted by MattNe



Its marketing..I mean seriously, have you ever gotten a BigMac that looked as it did on TV?



 


That defense doesn't hold water in a visual medium. 


There is a HUUUUUUUUGE difference in advertising a game that HAS high res functionality on a top tier beast-mode system so you can show off the pretty graphics and advertising a game that has NO high res funcionality in the same manner. This is  called "bait and switch" and IS illegal. If someone were so inclined they could probably get their cash back for false advertisement.


  Havekk

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Joined: 7/14/08
Posts: 1303

1/17/12 11:00:40 AM#26
Originally posted by JeroKane

The statement was nothing more than a PR spin on the fiasco and was an outright insult to our inteligence.
 

Especially since plenty of Closed Beta players have stated that they ran the HighRes textures in the older beta client WITHOUT any issues nor lag at all!
 

Something happened when they released the "new" client, that was also suddenly more than 10GB smaller in size, that they suddenly had to remove both HighRes textures as AntiAliasing ! And we will never know the truth!
 

Most likely the changes they did in the new client were backfiring at them and forced them to remove the HighRes textures in regular gameplay!
 

But as with so many other stuff they suddenly removed/dissabled without explanation before the end of beta (Matching Chest color for example)! They choose to go for the quick dirty bandage fix, instead of actually solving the issue. In case of the HighRes textures they could have rolled back the changes they did in the new client!
 

But whatever! The fact that they just continue to promote the game with full HighRes textures in all screenshots and video coverages is just downright insulting!





 

Just a quick observation; I would consider not placing so many exclamation points in your post. I'm sure you're probably screaming the whole thing..lol, but it makes it hard to read for some reason as in my head, I just yell the whole thing as I read... 

 

I know this was a big issue for some, but I was one that thought the game looked pretty damn good to begin with. I am happy to see that at the least, Bioware is listening to the players. They may not have immediate fixes, but as long as they're working on things, that's good enough for me. I've played other games were the dev's simply don't care. 

 

Also, in this whole argument, there were people posting screen shots which were false. I have a decent machine, many of you have better, and some screens I've seen were down right ugly. Much worse then what I see every night. Kinda like the mipmapping was turned down intentionally to try and make a point. 

 

Anyway, I'm happy they're working on it.

 

 

 

  EvilGeek

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1/17/12 11:01:58 AM#27

  • Players are too ignorant to know how to adjust graphics if they can't run the game on high
  • In a heavily sharded game where it's practically impossible to run in to more than 10-15 players during normal game play (fleet being the exception and we all know what a lag fest that already is) the engine cant handle rendering that many high textures
  • The fact we left the three options in was obviously a bug that went under our radar until we saw hundreds of posts about it pre and post release

Made me laugh, honestly I don't really care but insulting our intelligence wasn't the way to go. The engine is poorly optimised (we were told it was our machines), that is obvious, coming straight out with that fact and saying it's being worked on would have been far less painful if it was done much earlier.


  mnemic666

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Posts: 89

1/17/12 11:03:35 AM#28

I really don't get it. The whole launch has been handled kinda shitty. They didn't give a legitimate reason to remove the high-res textures on their end, just that some people might have performance issues...well so would people if they run the game on 10 year old hardware. That's a user issue, not something that affects the game. I ran it fine during the beta, don't see what the problem was. And if they removed them, why not tell us? That's kind of a big deal to a lot of people, especially when they expect to see high-def quality graphics while playing.


Every day I'm more and more glad that I decided to wait before buying this one. Seriously, hold them accountable for their fuck ups.


  Havekk

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Posts: 1303

1/17/12 11:03:48 AM#29
Originally posted by StSynner

Originally posted by MattNe



Its marketing..I mean seriously, have you ever gotten a BigMac that looked as it did on TV?



 

That defense doesn't hold water in a visual medium. 


There is a HUUUUUUUUGE difference in advertising a game that HAS high res functionality on a top tier beast-mode system so you can show off the pretty graphics and advertising a game that has NO high res funcionality in the same manner. This is  called "bait and switch" and IS illegal. If someone were so inclined they could probably get their cash back for false advertisement.

No... this is not the typical "bait and switch". Bait and switch occurs when a consumer is baited to a certain product, and when they go to buy it, they're told it's not available and are pointed to another product. 

 

And they could not get their money back for "false advertisement" by screen shots and videos as the "Final Product may differ". My god people. I love how this happens and everyone all of a sudden knows the law. 

  JeroKane

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Joined: 2/21/06
Posts: 4669

1/17/12 11:10:07 AM#30
Originally posted by Praetalus
Originally posted by StSynner

Originally posted by MattNe



Its marketing..I mean seriously, have you ever gotten a BigMac that looked as it did on TV?



 

That defense doesn't hold water in a visual medium. 


There is a HUUUUUUUUGE difference in advertising a game that HAS high res functionality on a top tier beast-mode system so you can show off the pretty graphics and advertising a game that has NO high res funcionality in the same manner. This is  called "bait and switch" and IS illegal. If someone were so inclined they could probably get their cash back for false advertisement.

No... this is not the typical "bait and switch". Bait and switch occurs when a consumer is baited to a certain product, and when they go to buy it, they're told it's not available and are pointed to another product. 

 

And they could not get their money back for "false advertisement" by screen shots and videos as the "Final Product may differ". My god people. I love how this happens and everyone all of a sudden knows the law. 

 No it actually is!

If we stick to Bioware for a moment!  With ALL other Bioware games, the Media section (screenshots and videos) perfectly resembled to what players could achieve ingame when it comes to quality!  ALL their previous games!

And now suddenly with SW:TOR they show graphics in screenshots that can't be achieved by players ingame and that is Perfectly fine??

I am sorry... but THAT is false advertisement!  Unless they had added a disclaimer to all these screenshots! They did not!

In fact, they just continue to promote the game with FULL HighRes graphics! (patch 1.1 coverage)

  lizardbones

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1/17/12 11:10:34 AM#31


Originally posted by JeroKane


Originally posted by lizardbones
Since this wasn't really an issue for me, I think they handled it fine. I never thought the graphics looked all that bad. Of course, I'm not running a high end rig so high end settings would probably just tank my system.


 You know. These kind of responses just piss me off to no end!
So just because you do not have a High End rig and do not care about graphics, it's automatically fine how Bioware handled it?
I find that highly arrogant and egocentric! Totally disregarding and disrespecting a lot of people out there that DO HAVE High End rigs (some even build a new one specially for this game) and DO CARE about HighRes graphics!
That's why GOOD games have plenty of graphic settings to adjust the graphics to match what YOUR system can handle!
WE WANT the CHOICE ourselves to run the game with HighRes textures and DECIDE ourselves if our system can handle it or not!
Is that too much to ask?  I think not! Especially since the HighRes textures are already there!



Yes.

For every large, complex problem, there is a simple, clear solution that also happens to be absolutely wrong.

  Havekk

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Posts: 1303

1/17/12 11:10:50 AM#32
Originally posted by mnemic666

I really don't get it. The whole launch has been handled kinda shitty. They didn't give a legitimate reason to remove the high-res textures on their end, just that some people might have performance issues...well so would people if they run the game on 10 year old hardware. That's a user issue, not something that affects the game. I ran it fine during the beta, don't see what the problem was. And if they removed them, why not tell us? That's kind of a big deal to a lot of people, especially when they expect to see high-def quality graphics while playing.


Every day I'm more and more glad that I decided to wait before buying this one. Seriously, hold them accountable for their fuck ups.

They gave a perfectly valid reason for the removal of the textures...people just didn't like it. I for one am currently playing and having a blast. 

 

It's your choice to play or not and I think for you, you made the correct decision. Please understand that others may like the game. It's not so hard to get. 

  DeeMarie

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1/17/12 11:11:57 AM#33

Sony/GT5 ran afoul of UK advertising rules last year when it ran an ad featuring the replay mode which it claimed was 'actual gameplay'.


 


Promoting SWToR as having high res when that only exists in the cutscenes isn't so dissimiliar. It's not very honest either. I can see why they're doing it, no one likes bad press, but maybe they should scale back on promotions and adverts featuring it when it's just not there.


  Havekk

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1/17/12 11:15:01 AM#34
Originally posted by JeroKane
Originally posted by Joshua69
Originally posted by JeroKane
Originally posted by lizardbones

Since this wasn't really an issue for me, I think they handled it fine. I never thought the graphics looked all that bad. Of course, I'm not running a high end rig so high end settings would probably just tank my system.

 You know. These kind of responses just piss me off to no end!

So just because you do not have a High End rig and do not care about graphics, it's automatically fine how Bioware handled it?

I find that highly arrogant and egocentric! Totally disregarding and disrespecting a lot of people out there that DO HAVE High End rigs (some even build a new one specially for this game) and DO CARE about HighRes graphics!

That's why GOOD games have plenty of graphic settings to adjust the graphics to match what YOUR system can handle!

WE WANT the CHOICE ourselves to run the game with HighRes textures and DECIDE ourselves if our system can handle it or not!

Is that too much to ask?  I think not! Especially since the HighRes textures are already there!

I havea moderatly high rig and could probably run the game on a much higher setting. But bashing someone else for not having the oppertunity to play witch such a setting is retarded. The game is an MMO - its supposed to appeal to the mass's. not the handfful of the mass's that have the "high rig". If they did that, it would end up like AoC. The graphics are fine imo, there will be improvements over time...I understand your argument, but if you want things to look prettier get crysis 2. I would guess that its easier for them to slowly add better settings overtime, as oppose to havingf all these wacky settings at the get go and having even more issues to work out from different bugs from different settings. "o thats what beta's for", you can only beta so much....

 ?? You know your post is full of irony right?

So because there are people out there that do not have High End rigs, all other people that DO have HighEnd rigs just have to suck it up and suffer lower graphics??

Are you serious? Do you even hear what you are saying here and how ridiculous that sounds?

By your post and definition all games today should still be stuck in year 90's graphics, because there are still people out there with 10 year old PC's !

EverQuest 2 should remove the HighRes textures!

LOTRO should remove the HighRes texture client download! Remove DX10 and DX11 !

Age of Conan should remove their HighRes textures and DX10!

In other words... pretty much every other MMO out there (some even over 7 years old) should remove all High Graphic settings, because there are people out there that cannot run them on these settings!

/SIGH

You just don't get it. Look at the sub numbers for EQ2... look at the sub numbers for LOTRO. Look at the Sub numbers for Age of Conan..... BTW, all of these games are free to play now. 

 

Now, do me a favor and look at the sub numbers of WoW.... which is not free to play I might add. 

 

You know why WoW is higher? Low poly count. They keep the game low so more people can play it. You may not like it but it's a decision you must make as a developer. You can't understand that because you're looking from your point of view and not taking theirs into account. It's not hard logic. Keep your game accessible and they will come. Yeah, you loose some high end graphic buffs... but you gain way more then you loose. It's a business decision plain and simple. 

 

If you don't like the decision they have made.. you have every right to leave. I understand the decision and intend to keep playing. Both views are viable. 

  Joshua69

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Joined: 9/12/06
Posts: 954

It''s not the fall that kill''s you. its the sudden stop at the end....

1/17/12 11:18:01 AM#35
Originally posted by JeroKane
Originally posted by Joshua69
Originally posted by JeroKane
Originally posted by lizardbones

Since this wasn't really an issue for me, I think they handled it fine. I never thought the graphics looked all that bad. Of course, I'm not running a high end rig so high end settings would probably just tank my system.

 You know. These kind of responses just piss me off to no end!

So just because you do not have a High End rig and do not care about graphics, it's automatically fine how Bioware handled it?

I find that highly arrogant and egocentric! Totally disregarding and disrespecting a lot of people out there that DO HAVE High End rigs (some even build a new one specially for this game) and DO CARE about HighRes graphics!

That's why GOOD games have plenty of graphic settings to adjust the graphics to match what YOUR system can handle!

WE WANT the CHOICE ourselves to run the game with HighRes textures and DECIDE ourselves if our system can handle it or not!

Is that too much to ask?  I think not! Especially since the HighRes textures are already there!

I havea moderatly high rig and could probably run the game on a much higher setting. But bashing someone else for not having the oppertunity to play witch such a setting is retarded. The game is an MMO - its supposed to appeal to the mass's. not the handfful of the mass's that have the "high rig". If they did that, it would end up like AoC. The graphics are fine imo, there will be improvements over time...I understand your argument, but if you want things to look prettier get crysis 2. I would guess that its easier for them to slowly add better settings overtime, as oppose to havingf all these wacky settings at the get go and having even more issues to work out from different bugs from different settings. "o thats what beta's for", you can only beta so much....

 ?? You know your post is full of irony right?

So because there are people out there that do not have High End rigs, all other people that DO have HighEnd rigs just have to suck it up and suffer lower graphics??

Are you serious? Do you even hear what you are saying here and how ridiculous that sounds?

By your post and definition all games today should still be stuck in year 90's graphics, because there are still people out there with 10 year old PC's !

EverQuest 2 should remove the HighRes textures!

LOTRO should remove the HighRes texture client download! Remove DX10 and DX11 !

Age of Conan should remove their HighRes textures and DX10!

In other words... pretty much every other MMO out there (some even over 7 years old) should remove all High Graphic settings, because there are people out there that cannot run them on these settings!

/SIGH

no, my post isn't full of irony, because im suggesting that the majoirty dont have a high end  PC.  And i didn't say they shouldn't offer high GPhix settings, I was just saying that not having such options was likely because they were tryingt o appeal to the mass's.  I know plenty of people who haven't played MMO's because they complain " my computer isn't good enough". And no, That  doesn't mean you have to have EQ1 Gphix, maybe something like... o , I know, the current state of  SWTOR graphics - basic for everyone. If you want to run the highest graphics game go play something else. whether they do or they dont is to be seen, but they just said that they are planning to add more graphic options for the people who have the option to utizilze that. (again, assuming that high end rigs are less than common).

  JeroKane

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Joined: 2/21/06
Posts: 4669

1/17/12 11:18:09 AM#36
Originally posted by Praetalus
Originally posted by JeroKane
Originally posted by Joshua69
Originally posted by JeroKane
Originally posted by lizardbones

Since this wasn't really an issue for me, I think they handled it fine. I never thought the graphics looked all that bad. Of course, I'm not running a high end rig so high end settings would probably just tank my system.

 You know. These kind of responses just piss me off to no end!

So just because you do not have a High End rig and do not care about graphics, it's automatically fine how Bioware handled it?

I find that highly arrogant and egocentric! Totally disregarding and disrespecting a lot of people out there that DO HAVE High End rigs (some even build a new one specially for this game) and DO CARE about HighRes graphics!

That's why GOOD games have plenty of graphic settings to adjust the graphics to match what YOUR system can handle!

WE WANT the CHOICE ourselves to run the game with HighRes textures and DECIDE ourselves if our system can handle it or not!

Is that too much to ask?  I think not! Especially since the HighRes textures are already there!

I havea moderatly high rig and could probably run the game on a much higher setting. But bashing someone else for not having the oppertunity to play witch such a setting is retarded. The game is an MMO - its supposed to appeal to the mass's. not the handfful of the mass's that have the "high rig". If they did that, it would end up like AoC. The graphics are fine imo, there will be improvements over time...I understand your argument, but if you want things to look prettier get crysis 2. I would guess that its easier for them to slowly add better settings overtime, as oppose to havingf all these wacky settings at the get go and having even more issues to work out from different bugs from different settings. "o thats what beta's for", you can only beta so much....

 ?? You know your post is full of irony right?

So because there are people out there that do not have High End rigs, all other people that DO have HighEnd rigs just have to suck it up and suffer lower graphics??

Are you serious? Do you even hear what you are saying here and how ridiculous that sounds?

By your post and definition all games today should still be stuck in year 90's graphics, because there are still people out there with 10 year old PC's !

EverQuest 2 should remove the HighRes textures!

LOTRO should remove the HighRes texture client download! Remove DX10 and DX11 !

Age of Conan should remove their HighRes textures and DX10!

In other words... pretty much every other MMO out there (some even over 7 years old) should remove all High Graphic settings, because there are people out there that cannot run them on these settings!

/SIGH

You just don't get it. Look at the sub numbers for EQ2... look at the sub numbers for LOTRO. Look at the Sub numbers for Age of Conan..... BTW, all of these games are free to play now. 

 

Now, do me a favor and look at the sub numbers of WoW.... which is not free to play I might add. 

 

You know why WoW is higher? Low poly count. They keep the game low so more people can play it. You may not like it but it's a decision you must make as a developer. You can't understand that because you're looking from your point of view and not taking theirs into account. 

 

If you don't like the decision they have made.. you have every right to leave. I understand the decision and intend to keep playing. Both views are viable. 

 LOTRO was a huge success for several years! Turbine started slacking on regular updates (focus on DDO free2play conversion) that costs them sub numbers! And now after the Hybrid Free2Play it's still a huge success! Sorry to burst your bubble!

EverQuest 2 is doing just fine and has plenty of loyal subscribers.

The reasons why these games went Free2Play wasn't because of them having High Graphic Settings!  That's just retarded!

As all the games I listed you are able to downscale their graphics to the point you can still run them on a 10 year old rig! Yes, even Age of Conan!

  MMOGamer71

Advanced Member

Joined: 11/12/07
Posts: 1462

1/17/12 11:20:32 AM#37
Originally posted by Praetalus
Originally posted by mnemic666

I really don't get it. The whole launch has been handled kinda shitty. They didn't give a legitimate reason to remove the high-res textures on their end, just that some people might have performance issues...well so would people if they run the game on 10 year old hardware. That's a user issue, not something that affects the game. I ran it fine during the beta, don't see what the problem was. And if they removed them, why not tell us? That's kind of a big deal to a lot of people, especially when they expect to see high-def quality graphics while playing.


Every day I'm more and more glad that I decided to wait before buying this one. Seriously, hold them accountable for their fuck ups.

They gave a perfectly valid reason for the removal of the textures...people just didn't like it. I for one am currently playing and having a blast. 

 

It's your choice to play or not and I think for you, you made the correct decision. Please understand that others may like the game. It's not so hard to get. 

I guess it comes down to if you believe "medium graphics" are a bug, many (majority?) of players don't buy it hence the title of this thread.

The "issue" with MMO development is that there are TOO MANY suits and not enough gamers making games.

  Paragus1

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Joined: 6/29/06
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1/17/12 11:22:12 AM#38

Originally posted by Praetalus



You just don't get it. Look at the sub numbers for EQ2... look at the sub numbers for LOTRO. Look at the Sub numbers for Age of Conan..... BTW, all of these games are free to play now. 


 


Now, do me a favor and look at the sub numbers of WoW.... which is not free to play I might add. 


 


You know why WoW is higher? Low poly count. They keep the game low so more people can play it. You may not like it but it's a decision you must make as a developer. You can't understand that because you're looking from your point of view and not taking theirs into account. 


 


If you don't like the decision they have made.. you have every right to leave. I understand the decision and intend to keep playing. Both views are viable. 



 


WoW's high subcriptions are not because of its low polycount.   By that same logic Everquest 1 would have more subs than anything else out there.   All of those other games have serious flaws and it has nothing to do with their visuals.


Don't get me wrong, I am a huge believe that gameplay is far more important than graphics.    They don't make or break a game usually, but between misleading people and then basically telling them thay can't figure out their own graphical settings is silly.


  Havekk

Hard Core Member

Joined: 7/14/08
Posts: 1303

1/17/12 11:22:57 AM#39
Originally posted by JeroKane
Originally posted by Praetalus
Originally posted by JeroKane
Originally posted by Joshua69
Originally posted by JeroKane
Originally posted by lizardbones

Since this wasn't really an issue for me, I think they handled it fine. I never thought the graphics looked all that bad. Of course, I'm not running a high end rig so high end settings would probably just tank my system.

 You know. These kind of responses just piss me off to no end!

So just because you do not have a High End rig and do not care about graphics, it's automatically fine how Bioware handled it?

I find that highly arrogant and egocentric! Totally disregarding and disrespecting a lot of people out there that DO HAVE High End rigs (some even build a new one specially for this game) and DO CARE about HighRes graphics!

That's why GOOD games have plenty of graphic settings to adjust the graphics to match what YOUR system can handle!

WE WANT the CHOICE ourselves to run the game with HighRes textures and DECIDE ourselves if our system can handle it or not!

Is that too much to ask?  I think not! Especially since the HighRes textures are already there!

I havea moderatly high rig and could probably run the game on a much higher setting. But bashing someone else for not having the oppertunity to play witch such a setting is retarded. The game is an MMO - its supposed to appeal to the mass's. not the handfful of the mass's that have the "high rig". If they did that, it would end up like AoC. The graphics are fine imo, there will be improvements over time...I understand your argument, but if you want things to look prettier get crysis 2. I would guess that its easier for them to slowly add better settings overtime, as oppose to havingf all these wacky settings at the get go and having even more issues to work out from different bugs from different settings. "o thats what beta's for", you can only beta so much....

 ?? You know your post is full of irony right?

So because there are people out there that do not have High End rigs, all other people that DO have HighEnd rigs just have to suck it up and suffer lower graphics??

Are you serious? Do you even hear what you are saying here and how ridiculous that sounds?

By your post and definition all games today should still be stuck in year 90's graphics, because there are still people out there with 10 year old PC's !

EverQuest 2 should remove the HighRes textures!

LOTRO should remove the HighRes texture client download! Remove DX10 and DX11 !

Age of Conan should remove their HighRes textures and DX10!

In other words... pretty much every other MMO out there (some even over 7 years old) should remove all High Graphic settings, because there are people out there that cannot run them on these settings!

/SIGH

You just don't get it. Look at the sub numbers for EQ2... look at the sub numbers for LOTRO. Look at the Sub numbers for Age of Conan..... BTW, all of these games are free to play now. 

 

Now, do me a favor and look at the sub numbers of WoW.... which is not free to play I might add. 

 

You know why WoW is higher? Low poly count. They keep the game low so more people can play it. You may not like it but it's a decision you must make as a developer. You can't understand that because you're looking from your point of view and not taking theirs into account. 

 

If you don't like the decision they have made.. you have every right to leave. I understand the decision and intend to keep playing. Both views are viable. 

 LOTRO was a huge success for several years! Turbine started slacking on regular updates (focus on DDO free2play conversion) that costs them sub numbers! And now after the Hybrid Free2Play it's still a huge success! Sorry to burst your bubble!

EverQuest 2 is doing just fine and has plenty of loyal subscribers.

The reasons why these games went Free2Play wasn't because of them having High Graphic Settings!  That's just retarded!

As all the games I listed you are able to downscale their graphics to the point you can still run them on a 10 year old rig!

No... and you fail to mention my entire argument. The reason why WoW is so popular and the other games have not.. and will not touch it is due to the lower end visuals/low system requirements. It the reason why you see incremental updates and not engines rehauls from WoW. They know that the more people that can access your game, the more subs you'll have. The more subs, the more money. 

 

I don't care about the sucess of LOTRO, EQ2, or AOC. I know that they are not, and never will be as popular as WoW, which is what most developers want... due to the higher settings available. If Bioware choices to go more the WoW route and make their game accessible to the larger audience over pleasing the graphic buffs... then so be it. 

 

Like I said, you have the right to not play. 

  Mandalore

Apprentice Member

Joined: 4/14/04
Posts: 72

1/17/12 11:24:30 AM#40

And the perfomance thing is a lie.


I can run SWTOR and RIFT at the same time with 40-60 FPS. Both on max. settings (SWTOR 8xAA via Ini mod)


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