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  warmaster670

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1/10/12 12:03:03 AM#41
Originally posted by Scypheroth

I personally have great memories of playing fallout 1 2 and tactics when i was young best games ever. played them over and over...when i heard of fallout 3 i was excited...then i found out it was a FPS....needless to say i was dissapointed....shur its a good game but i was excited to see my old classic fallout gameplay back in action..why coudnt they just update the graphics like diablo 3? they ruined a good think fallout 1 and 2 got such good reviews...and wasnt interplay the ppl who created fallout? shoudnt they have the rights?

You know what other fallout game got good reviews? FO3, not only that it did so with much more competition.

 

Its always funny people complain about companies not doing anything different, then they complain that they should just update the graphics on the same ideas.

Apparently stating the truth in my sig is "trolling"
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  Lobotomist

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1/10/12 1:16:55 AM#42

Anyone that is against decision should understand few facts


1. Nobody that worked on Fallout and Wasteland games doesnt work for Interplay anymore (and for many years now) - They all work at Obsidian (The guys that made FNV)


2. Interplay is not developer anymore, its just a poor company that wants the Fallout MMO rights in order to sell them to highest bidder


3. Bethesda will probably never make MMO - and who can blame them in this MMO failure atmosphere. But if they would , they are only ones that could make it good


  yaminsux

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1/10/12 1:47:53 AM#43

Only if the guys at obsidian (the original devs) worked on FO, then it'll be good. If it is only bethesda, i'm afraid it'll be another skyrim with guns (lol it used to be oblivion with guns).


  Thillian

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1/10/12 2:04:53 AM#44
Originally posted by yaminsux

Only if the guys at obsidian (the original devs) worked on FO, then it'll be good. If it is only bethesda, i'm afraid it'll be another skyrim with guns (lol it used to be oblivion with guns).

The original devs of Fallout 1 and 2 ARE NOT IN OBSIDIAN. The original creators of Fallout 1 and 2 are Tim Cain, Leonard Boyarsky and Jason D. Anderson. After Black Isle they went to create TROIKA GAMES. After TROIKA GAMES they split and are working on separate projects, HOWEVER NONE of them WENT TO OBSIDIAN. Stop spreading lies.

REALITY CHECK

  bingo69

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1/10/12 2:13:12 AM#45

Wow... this is such bad news. Time to put bethesda on black list now...

  troublmaker

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1/10/12 2:23:52 AM#46
Originally posted by Lobotomist

3. Bethesda will probably never make MMO - and who can blame them in this MMO failure atmosphere. But if they would , they are only ones that could make it good

Expanding on this Fallout 3 and Fallout: New Vegas are two of Bethesda's top selling games only being beat out by the recent Skyrim.

The most successful gaming model right now is to release a full game for a high price and then release multiple DLCs.  I think New Vegas had 8 DLCs all roughly $10.  There gas been a long time suspicion that the next Fallout game is Fallout: New Vegas 2.

If a Fallout MMO is made that means the end of single player Fallout games.  I'm sure tones of money could be made on a Fallout MMO, but realistically most MMOs that come out boom for a couple of months and then they faulter.  Why not get 4x the sales on a single player game and just release DLCs instead of a subscription.

Sounds smart to me.

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  fenistil

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1/10/12 2:26:40 AM#47
Originally posted by Thillian
Originally posted by yaminsux

Only if the guys at obsidian (the original devs) worked on FO, then it'll be good. If it is only bethesda, i'm afraid it'll be another skyrim with guns (lol it used to be oblivion with guns).

The original devs of Fallout 1 and 2 ARE NOT IN OBSIDIAN. The original creators of Fallout 1 and 2 are Tim Cain, Leonard Boyarsky and Jason D. Anderson. After Black Isle they went to create TROIKA GAMES. After TROIKA GAMES they split and are working on separate projects, HOWEVER NONE of them WENT TO OBSIDIAN. Stop spreading lies.

Just out of curiosity. Do you have any info where they are working atm? They still in gaming industry?

 

 

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As for OP topic.

 

While I would prefer Interplay (well BlackIsle one would be best though they don't exist anymore :cry )approach, Interplay don't have brains and first of all MONEY to create decent mmorpg imho.

Seriously they wanted to cooperate with creators of Earthrise to do Fallout MMO.

Anyone who played Earthrise know what fail this game was. (well game concept was ok ,but realisation was pathetic)

  Yuui

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1/10/12 3:14:59 AM#48

Worst news of the week.


 


Current Bethesda is as bad as EAware an Actiblizzard. 


 


I don't want Oblivion/Skyrim:Postapocalyptic Version MMO.  Fallout Three was as far away from fallout feel as possible...


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  Ever-Angel

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1/10/12 3:22:45 AM#49

well at least we still have fallout 2 to remember.


  warmaster670

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1/10/12 3:33:40 AM#50
Originally posted by Yuui

Worst news of the week.


 


Current Bethesda is as bad as EAware an Actiblizzard. 


 


I don't want Oblivion/Skyrim:Postapocalyptic Version MMO.  Fallout Three was as far away from fallout feel as possible...

Why, because it wasnt 2d? cry some more.

 

Originally posted by bingo69

Wow... this is such bad news. Time to put bethesda on black list now...

put them on teh blacklist for not sitting back and taking it up the butt while interplay tyried to screw them over on teh license bethesda owns? great logic.

 

Originally posted by Thillian
Originally posted by yaminsux

Only if the guys at obsidian (the original devs) worked on FO, then it'll be good. If it is only bethesda, i'm afraid it'll be another skyrim with guns (lol it used to be oblivion with guns).

The original devs of Fallout 1 and 2 ARE NOT IN OBSIDIAN. The original creators of Fallout 1 and 2 are Tim Cain, Leonard Boyarsky and Jason D. Anderson. After Black Isle they went to create TROIKA GAMES. After TROIKA GAMES they split and are working on separate projects, HOWEVER NONE of them WENT TO OBSIDIAN. Stop spreading lies.

So in other words you think that a game only takes 3 people to develop, time to get a reality check.

 

Black Isles was disbanded and formed Obsidian, whether those 3 people left beforehand is irrelevent, as the rest of the team is at obsidian, so maybe you should fact chekc before calling other people liars.

 

unless somehow they dont count as developing the game for whatever reason youll probably try to make up.

Originally posted by Ever-Angel

well at least we still have fallout 2 to remember.

you say that as if the fallout mmo was going to even be decent, apparently you missed what interplay did with fallout.

Apparently stating the truth in my sig is "trolling"
Sig typo fixed thanks to an observant stragen001.

  Loke666

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1/10/12 3:46:15 AM#51
Originally posted by Lobotomist

3. Bethesda will probably never make MMO - and who can blame them in this MMO failure atmosphere. But if they would , they are only ones that could make it good

What? Zenimax have had a MMO department for 4 years now lead by one of the creators of DaoC.

It was in fact one of the top MMORPG.com predictions of the year that they will show us the game this year.

  bilbonbon

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1/10/12 3:52:14 AM#52

I won't blame Bethesda for beeing a bigger capitalist ogre than Interplay.

 

Honnestly i wish i could see a Fallout online, because i really liked Fallout 1 and 2 universe

 

Ok i continue with Fallen Earth then...

  uohaloran

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1/10/12 5:07:01 AM#53

Bethesda wont create an MMO because they would lose the crutch they've relied on for over 10 years now: their modders.


Their systems and mechanics have next to no cohesion with one another and this is in a controlled singleplayer enviornment.  Could you even imagine the disaster a multiplayer title would have?


This is just legal bullying.  If they really wanted this, they could have taken it long ago.  They're going to sit on this for a long time or at least until Zenimax buys up a competent multiplayer development team, because current Bethesda would be incapable of such a task.


  Thillian

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1/10/12 5:14:40 AM#54
Originally posted by warmaster670
 
Originally posted by Thillian
Originally posted by yaminsux

Only if the guys at obsidian (the original devs) worked on FO, then it'll be good. If it is only bethesda, i'm afraid it'll be another skyrim with guns (lol it used to be oblivion with guns).

The original devs of Fallout 1 and 2 ARE NOT IN OBSIDIAN. The original creators of Fallout 1 and 2 are Tim Cain, Leonard Boyarsky and Jason D. Anderson. After Black Isle they went to create TROIKA GAMES. After TROIKA GAMES they split and are working on separate projects, HOWEVER NONE of them WENT TO OBSIDIAN. Stop spreading lies.

So in other words you think that a game only takes 3 people to develop, time to get a reality check.

 

Black Isles was disbanded and formed Obsidian, whether those 3 people left beforehand is irrelevent, as the rest of the team is at obsidian, so maybe you should fact chekc before calling other people liars.

 

unless somehow they dont count as developing the game for whatever reason youll probably try to make up.

 

You have no idea what you are talking about. Those three names I mentioned were just for illustration of lead designers, since Cain was lead programmer, Boyarsky and Anderson were lead artists plus Taylor was lead designer (also not in Obsidian -- in fact Taylor is back in Interplay working on Fallout Online).

I have the printed manual of Fallout 1 in my hands right now, Section - Credits with a list of names participating on development of Fallout 1 (about 40 people). Next to it is my monitor with the electronic manual of Fallout New Vegas - Section Credits. And guess what. NOT A SINGLE FUC**NG NAME MATCH. NOT a single developer from Fallout New Vegas worked on Fallout 1 ACCORDING to the GAME MANUALS' CREDITS, (apart from Urquhart, which was not a developer, but a producer). If you go name by name and google the developers of F1 -> their future projects are mostly related to Arcanum, Greyhawk and Vampire:TM Bloodlines (later Troika projects). 

Everyone who was playing video games already at that time, apparently not you, know that Fallout creators WENT OFF FROM INTERPLAY TO ESTABLISH TROIKA GAMES AND NOT OBSIDIAN.

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  alkarionlog

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1/10/12 6:09:34 AM#55

oh well and there goes to the abyss the fallout MMO..... guess its RIP Fallout a good IP killed by the hands of the bethesta who lacks creativity and vision


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  Lobotomist

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1/10/12 6:55:19 AM#56



Originally posted by Thillian






Originally posted by yaminsux





Only if the guys at obsidian (the original devs) worked on FO, then it'll be good. If it is only bethesda, i'm afraid it'll be another skyrim with guns (lol it used to be oblivion with guns).





The original devs of Fallout 1 and 2 ARE NOT IN OBSIDIAN. The original creators of Fallout 1 and 2 are Tim Cain, Leonard Boyarsky and Jason D. Anderson. After Black Isle they went to create TROIKA GAMES. After TROIKA GAMES they split and are working on separate projects, HOWEVER NONE of them WENT TO OBSIDIAN. Stop spreading lies.







 








Seems your knowledge is outdated




http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/10/12/tim-cain-obsidian/





 


Obsidian now has mostly all of Black Isle people , what will they make ... its question


Right now they are doing South Park RPG ... so , well ...

  RedKatana

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1/10/12 6:58:11 AM#57
The Elder Scroll Online would work way better then Fallout Online.
  GrayGhost79

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1/10/12 8:02:51 AM#58
Originally posted by Thillian
Originally posted by warmaster670
 
Originally posted by Thillian
Originally posted by yaminsux

Only if the guys at obsidian (the original devs) worked on FO, then it'll be good. If it is only bethesda, i'm afraid it'll be another skyrim with guns (lol it used to be oblivion with guns).

The original devs of Fallout 1 and 2 ARE NOT IN OBSIDIAN. The original creators of Fallout 1 and 2 are Tim Cain, Leonard Boyarsky and Jason D. Anderson. After Black Isle they went to create TROIKA GAMES. After TROIKA GAMES they split and are working on separate projects, HOWEVER NONE of them WENT TO OBSIDIAN. Stop spreading lies.

So in other words you think that a game only takes 3 people to develop, time to get a reality check.

 

Black Isles was disbanded and formed Obsidian, whether those 3 people left beforehand is irrelevent, as the rest of the team is at obsidian, so maybe you should fact chekc before calling other people liars.

 

unless somehow they dont count as developing the game for whatever reason youll probably try to make up.

 

You have no idea what you are talking about. Those three names I mentioned were just for illustration of lead designers, since Cain was lead programmer, Boyarsky and Anderson were lead artists plus Taylor was lead designer (also not in Obsidian -- in fact Taylor is back in Interplay working on Fallout Online).

I have the printed manual of Fallout 1 in my hands right now, Section - Credits with a list of names participating on development of Fallout 1 (about 40 people). Next to it is my monitor with the electronic manual of Fallout New Vegas - Section Credits. And guess what. NOT A SINGLE FUC**NG NAME MATCH. NOT a single developer from Fallout New Vegas worked on Fallout 1 ACCORDING to the GAME MANUALS' CREDITS, (apart from Urquhart, which was not a developer, but a producer). If you go name by name and google the developers of F1 -> their future projects are mostly related to Arcanum, Greyhawk and Vampire:TM Bloodlines (later Troika projects). 

Everyone who was playing video games already at that time, apparently not you, know that Fallout creators WENT OFF FROM INTERPLAY TO ESTABLISH TROIKA GAMES AND NOT OBSIDIAN.

Tim Cain 

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Tim Cain joined Obsidian Entertainment as senior programmer.[8]
 
 
 
 
The problem isn't that others are spreading lies, the problem is you simply haven't done the research that others have and instead of checking on these things yourself you jumped in with outdated knowledge. 
 
Don't lash out without checking to see if you are correct first. 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  GrayGhost79

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1/10/12 8:14:07 AM#59
Originally posted by uohaloran

Bethesda wont create an MMO because they would lose the crutch they've relied on for over 10 years now: their modders.


Their systems and mechanics have next to no cohesion with one another and this is in a controlled singleplayer enviornment.  Could you even imagine the disaster a multiplayer title would have?


This is just legal bullying.  If they really wanted this, they could have taken it long ago.  They're going to sit on this for a long time or at least until Zenimax buys up a competent multiplayer development team, because current Bethesda would be incapable of such a task.

/sigh ........... 

For the last time ............ 

 

Who are you guys? 
 
We're the best kept secret in the gaming industry… But, seriously, we're the online game development studio of ZeniMax Media, who also owns Bethesda Softworks. So think of us as the multiplayer-focused Bethesda Softworks. 
 
Our President was one of the founders of Mythic Entertainment and was the producer of Dark Age of Camelot and lots of other titles there. Our team is made of many other people who worked at Mythic, as well as NCsoft, Firaxis, Sony Online, EA, and Bethesda Softworks. ZeniMax Online's staff had leadership roles on popular MMOGs like Dark Age of Camelot, Warhammer Online, Star Wars: Galaxies, Ultima Online, and The Sims Online. 
 
Suffice it to say, we are very experienced and are looking forward to making the best MMOGs possible.
 
 
They already have an MMO development team and it sports some big names with lots of experienced talent.  They';ve been working on an MMO for a few years now. This was confimed a long time ago. 
 
 
  Vryheid

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Joined: 7/29/10
Posts: 471

1/10/12 8:17:47 AM#60

Screw you, Bethesda. The only reason your Fallout games became popular is because you ripped off the setting and storyline of the Interplay titles. Absolutely everything that made the presentation in Fallout 3 and New Vegas great was based off or borrowed from Fallout 1, 2, and other material like Van Buren. There isn't one memorable organization, enemy, or piece of equipment in ANY of the 3D games that Interplay did not create first. You owe EVERYTHING for your successes with Fallout to the work done by the original Interplay teams. Your continuing hostility to the one company that could have created some new and original content for Fallout is going to doom the franchise to eventual obscurity.


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