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  Worstluck

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1/09/12 6:42:06 PM#21

This is good news.  Whether we will ever see a Fallout MMO (probably not now) is up in the air, but at least Masthead studios will have nothing to do with it.  Interplay has been teetering on bankruptcy for many years, there was no way they were ever going to create anything that deserves the Fallout name.  Interplay was a good company, years ago, nowadays they are shell of what they used to be.  Grats to Bethesda.


  Z3R01

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1/09/12 6:46:06 PM#22

Bethesda wont make Fallout Online. they just want to keep the IP for themselves and makes more single player RPGs.

After Enjoying Oblivion, Fallout 3 & Skyrim I tend to agree with anything they decided when it comes to their ips.

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  Stizzled

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1/09/12 6:51:47 PM#23

I have a feeling that we'll be seeing a Fallout MMO before too long. I've been thinking for a while that this is what ZeniMax's new MMO division has been working on, and not an ES MMO as so many have been hoping. Though, if a Fallout MMO was well recieved I wouldn't be suprised to see an ES MMO follow (if they aren't already being worked on side by side).

  kakasaki

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1/09/12 6:59:10 PM#24
Originally posted by GrayGhost79
Originally posted by kakasaki
Originally posted by GrayGhost79
Originally posted by kakasaki
Originally posted by GrayGhost79

WOot, congradulations to Bethesda. We may actually have a chance at a decent FO MMO. 

If it is anything like the FPS crap Bethesda has done to the series, count me out. 

Thats what I'm hoping for. The FPS "crap" seems to work for Bethesda well enough that they've won game of the year how many times now? This makes it very likely that the FPS "crap" is what we will get thankfully :) 

 

I guess we can agree to disagree. I just find the new games so much more shallow and lacking the "fun" factor that was such a part of the original Interplay games...

No worries, not everyone agrees on everything. Personally I like the fun factor that Black Isle Studios brought to the old FO games and was glad to see it in the new ones as well considering they did both while Interplay acted as nothing more than the publisher. Nothing that made FO what it is or was remains at Interplay. 

Now that would be the question, Since Obsidian Entertainment is responsible for FO:NV and were formerly BlackIsles Studios and responsible for FO:2. Also Keep in mind that Tim Cain is with Obsidian as well as the Lead Programmer who was the lead designer of FO...... will Bethesda have Obsidian do the FO MMO or will they have there in house development team work with Obsidian? Maybe they will go with another development studio all together, who knows. 

 

Can't argue with tthat. In fact, almost seems like Interplay held on to the lic so they could get a cash out as part of a settlement... Oh well, here is hoping someone can do this great title some justice.

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  karmath

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1/09/12 7:25:21 PM#25

Thank #$%^& for that. Interplay had allready begun work on it with the same engine as Earthrise. We all know how GREAT that game was.




I hope Interplay have to incinerate the harddrives with the alpha on them.





 

  steelfrenzy

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1/09/12 8:02:01 PM#26

Say what you will about Interplay, but Fallout 1 and 2 were original and classic masterpieces. Black Isle Studios were the ones responsible for all of Interplay's glory, and Interplay treated them like ****. Back when Fallout 1 and 2 were done, gaming was not yet considered to be entirely mainstream (especially RPGs). Nowadays the industry is filled to the brim with idiot children obsessed with Warcraft and Call of Duty. Fallout 3 was nothing spectacular. The only thing it had going for it was the spectacular gaming engine that Bethesda has been building upon for years. Apart from that it was a game full of tired dialogue, and missing much of what made the Fallout title to begin with.




 




I hate Interplay. I love Black Isle, but Black Isle and Interplay are no longer synonymous. I doubt that anything Interplay was working on would've been really amazing, but I can't say Bethesda will do much better. At least not in terms of creating an immersive, living and breathing gaming world. Oh, well.





 

  adam_nox

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1/09/12 8:02:28 PM#27

now that I'm not replying to sillyness, my actual thoughts on this is that bethesda should not develop it.


 


I wish I knew of reliably good mmo developers, but I don't.  I used to say cryptic and mythic, but one went crazy and the other no longer exists.  I would say blizzard but they have their own plans. 


 


I guess if I had to pick, I'd try to sell the rights to trion with lots of supervision and creative control.  I believe they could come the closest to doing it justice today, if guided heavily and given an engine that doesn't suck as bad as the one in Rift (performance, not quality wise).


  AutemOx

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1/09/12 8:35:47 PM#28

"Thats kind of the point, right?"


NO.  The point was to protect what is now their IP from being released as a really crummy MMO with the Fallout name on it :p


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  AutemOx

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1/09/12 8:37:49 PM#29

Also for anyone interested in this suit and more on Bethesda, theres an amazing series of 'All Your History Are Belong to Us' on Bethesda... Search for it on youtube!


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  stayontarget

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1/09/12 8:40:58 PM#30

Well I'm glad its all over and Bethesda won the rights, even if I cannot pronounce their name :p

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  Deathwing980

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1/09/12 8:46:31 PM#31

wait i thought the court ruled in interplays favor a few months back... meh wonder how they will go about this... are they going to make it a decent game or screw it over badly xD


 


guess we will see when Closed betas are going about :P


  AutemOx

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1/09/12 9:20:26 PM#32

I am confused, why do you guys think there will be a FO MMO?  The primary chance of one just got shot down in a lawsuit.


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  Tardcore

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1/09/12 9:26:03 PM#33
Originally posted by wormywyrm

I am confused, why do you guys think there will be a FO MMO?  The primary chance of one just got shot down in a lawsuit.

And even if Bethesda did decide to make one, how many years would it take for it to see the light of day? Not sure about the rest of you, but I'm not seeing waiting half a decade for a game to be worth it any more.

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  gaeanprayer

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1/09/12 9:32:50 PM#34

People seem to be getting their hopes up that this means an FO MMO, and you really shouldn't. It could happen, I suppose, but Bethesda is pretty well-known for their anti-MMO stance.

My understanding is this started because Interplay was granted the rights to FO and Bethesda felt they didn't live up to the standard of the IP, and this all happened just as the FO MMO was announced. Is that really a coincidence? Doubt it. 

It seems far more likely Bethesda took back the IP just so that could make sure an FO MMO never came to be. You'll probably see FO 4 long before you see an MMO, and that's probably for the best.

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  GrayGhost79

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1/09/12 10:42:00 PM#35
Originally posted by gaeanprayer

People seem to be getting their hopes up that this means an FO MMO, and you really shouldn't. It could happen, I suppose, but Bethesda is pretty well-known for their anti-MMO stance.

My understanding is this started because Interplay was granted the rights to FO and Bethesda felt they didn't live up to the standard of the IP, and this all happened just as the FO MMO was announced. Is that really a coincidence? Doubt it. 

It seems far more likely Bethesda took back the IP just so that could make sure an FO MMO never came to be. You'll probably see FO 4 long before you see an MMO, and that's probably for the best.

Meh, yeah I can admit to being hopeful. What you guys seem to forget is this.........

 

 

 
 
 
 
 
 
Welcome to ZeniMax Online Studios! 
 
We create world-class massively multi-player online games at our headquarters in Hunt Valley, Maryland. 
 
ZeniMax Online is a part of the ZeniMax Media group of companies, which includes Bethesda Softworks, makers of the best-selling, award-winning Elder Scrolls series and Fallout 3. 
 
 
And this 
 
"While we strongly believe in the merits of our suits, we are pleased to avoid the distraction and expense of litigation while completely resolving all claims to the Fallout IP," said Robert Altman, Chairman and CEO of ZeniMax on Monday. "Fallout is an important property of ZeniMax and we are now able to develop future Fallout titles for our fans without third party involvement or the overhang of others' legal claims."
 
 
Keep in mind that the only IP development rights Interplay had were for the FO MMO. ZeniMax is now able to develop future FO titles without third party involvement or the overhang of others' legal claims (Little paraphrasing there but you get the gist)........... considering Bethesda had all other rights to the development of the IP that really only leaves one thing they could be reffering to and it was the only thing this lawsuit was about. 
 
 
So yes, I am hopeful that we will see an FO MMO. Is it unreasonable? No. Is it unlikely? It's as unlikely as it is likely honestly. 
 
 
Little more to show why people have reason to hope :P 
 
 
Who are you guys? 
 
We're the best kept secret in the gaming industry… But, seriously, we're the online game development studio of ZeniMax Media, who also owns Bethesda Softworks. So think of us as the multiplayer-focused Bethesda Softworks. 
 
Our President was one of the founders of Mythic Entertainment and was the producer of Dark Age of Camelot and lots of other titles there. Our team is made of many other people who worked at Mythic, as well as NCsoft, Firaxis, Sony Online, EA, and Bethesda Softworks. ZeniMax Online's staff had leadership roles on popular MMOGs like Dark Age of Camelot, Warhammer Online, Star Wars: Galaxies, Ultima Online, and The Sims Online. 
 
Suffice it to say, we are very experienced and are looking forward to making the best MMOGs possible.
 
 
But Bethesda is anti Multiplayer and Anti MMO right?
  mudd4ever

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1/09/12 10:56:48 PM#36

Originally posted by Tardcore


Originally posted by wormywyrm


I am confused, why do you guys think there will be a FO MMO?  The primary chance of one just got shot down in a lawsuit.



And even if Bethesda did decide to make one, how many years would it take for it to see the light of day? Not sure about the rest of you, but I'm not seeing waiting half a decade for a game to be worth it any more.



 


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  GrayGhost79

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1/09/12 11:00:08 PM#37
Originally posted by mudd4ever

Originally posted by Tardcore


Originally posted by wormywyrm


I am confused, why do you guys think there will be a FO MMO?  The primary chance of one just got shot down in a lawsuit.


And even if Bethesda did decide to make one, how many years would it take for it to see the light of day? Not sure about the rest of you, but I'm not seeing waiting half a decade for a game to be worth it any more.



 

All those who wait shall receive free cookies (and a Pip-Boy of Awesomeness).  Just saying.  ;)

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  Scypheroth

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1/09/12 11:39:27 PM#38

I personally have great memories of playing fallout 1 2 and tactics when i was young best games ever. played them over and over...when i heard of fallout 3 i was excited...then i found out it was a FPS....needless to say i was dissapointed....shur its a good game but i was excited to see my old classic fallout gameplay back in action..why coudnt they just update the graphics like diablo 3? they ruined a good think fallout 1 and 2 got such good reviews...and wasnt interplay the ppl who created fallout? shoudnt they have the rights?


  gaeanprayer

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1/09/12 11:39:47 PM#39
Originally posted by GrayGhost79
Originally posted by gaeanprayer

People seem to be getting their hopes up that this means an FO MMO, and you really shouldn't. It could happen, I suppose, but Bethesda is pretty well-known for their anti-MMO stance.

My understanding is this started because Interplay was granted the rights to FO and Bethesda felt they didn't live up to the standard of the IP, and this all happened just as the FO MMO was announced. Is that really a coincidence? Doubt it. 

It seems far more likely Bethesda took back the IP just so that could make sure an FO MMO never came to be. You'll probably see FO 4 long before you see an MMO, and that's probably for the best.

Meh, yeah I can admit to being hopeful. What you guys seem to forget is this.........

 

 

 
 
 
 
 
 
Welcome to ZeniMax Online Studios! 
 
We create world-class massively multi-player online games at our headquarters in Hunt Valley, Maryland. 
 
ZeniMax Online is a part of the ZeniMax Media group of companies, which includes Bethesda Softworks, makers of the best-selling, award-winning Elder Scrolls series and Fallout 3. 
 
 
And this 
 
"While we strongly believe in the merits of our suits, we are pleased to avoid the distraction and expense of litigation while completely resolving all claims to the Fallout IP," said Robert Altman, Chairman and CEO of ZeniMax on Monday. "Fallout is an important property of ZeniMax and we are now able to develop future Fallout titles for our fans without third party involvement or the overhang of others' legal claims."
 
 
Keep in mind that the only IP development rights Interplay had were for the FO MMO. ZeniMax is now able to develop future FO titles without third party involvement or the overhang of others' legal claims (Little paraphrasing there but you get the gist)........... considering Bethesda had all other rights to the development of the IP that really only leaves one thing they could be reffering to and it was the only thing this lawsuit was about. 
 
 
So yes, I am hopeful that we will see an FO MMO. Is it unreasonable? No. Is it unlikely? It's as unlikely as it is likely honestly. 
 
 
Little more to show why people have reason to hope :P 
 
 
Who are you guys? 
 
We're the best kept secret in the gaming industry… But, seriously, we're the online game development studio of ZeniMax Media, who also owns Bethesda Softworks. So think of us as the multiplayer-focused Bethesda Softworks. 
 
Our President was one of the founders of Mythic Entertainment and was the producer of Dark Age of Camelot and lots of other titles there. Our team is made of many other people who worked at Mythic, as well as NCsoft, Firaxis, Sony Online, EA, and Bethesda Softworks. ZeniMax Online's staff had leadership roles on popular MMOGs like Dark Age of Camelot, Warhammer Online, Star Wars: Galaxies, Ultima Online, and The Sims Online. 
 
Suffice it to say, we are very experienced and are looking forward to making the best MMOGs possible.
 
 
But Bethesda is anti Multiplayer and Anti MMO right?

Bethesda is a subsidiary of Zenimax, that doesn't mean they agree to everything Zenimax is about. Bethesda on their own have made their stance on both MMOs and social media clear:

"I'm not really an MMO guy," the Skyrim director said, speaking with Joystiq.  "I respect them, I look at them, but I don't play them.  It feels more real to me when I’m the hero and it’s crafted for that.  A community aspect to it, I recognize a lot of people would want that in a game like this, but it changes the flavor for me." 

http://www.joystiq.com/2011/08/31/todd-howard-on-skyrims-worthwhile-glitches-mmos-and-when-big-i/

That the company behind them wants an MMO doesn't necessarily mean Bethesda's going to give in, if that were the case you'd have seen an Elder Scrolls MMO a long time ago. People have been hounding Bethesda for one for years now, and the closest you're likely to get for even more years is Skyrim with the multiplayer Mod someone is developing. Also, Zenimax offered that it was now able to produce future titles, they didn't say they would be MMOs. This could just as easily mean they don't want their IP soiled with a badly done MMO and have future single-player games, which they make TONS of money on, go downhill with that reputation.

So, no, none of what you posted seems to indicate otherwise. I don't mean to piss in your cheerios, I think if they could create an MMO with the same open feel and interesting gameplay as their single player games I'd be one of the first in line to get it, my point is only to avoid getting hopes up and simply wait. That they didn't want someone else have their way with ~their~ IP doesn't necessarily mean they had any ideas of their own at the moment, either.

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1/09/12 11:58:29 PM#40
Originally posted by gaeanprayer
Originally posted by GrayGhost79
Originally posted by gaeanprayer

People seem to be getting their hopes up that this means an FO MMO, and you really shouldn't. It could happen, I suppose, but Bethesda is pretty well-known for their anti-MMO stance.

My understanding is this started because Interplay was granted the rights to FO and Bethesda felt they didn't live up to the standard of the IP, and this all happened just as the FO MMO was announced. Is that really a coincidence? Doubt it. 

It seems far more likely Bethesda took back the IP just so that could make sure an FO MMO never came to be. You'll probably see FO 4 long before you see an MMO, and that's probably for the best.

Meh, yeah I can admit to being hopeful. What you guys seem to forget is this.........

 

 

 
 
 
 
 
 
Welcome to ZeniMax Online Studios! 
 
We create world-class massively multi-player online games at our headquarters in Hunt Valley, Maryland. 
 
ZeniMax Online is a part of the ZeniMax Media group of companies, which includes Bethesda Softworks, makers of the best-selling, award-winning Elder Scrolls series and Fallout 3. 
 
 
And this 
 
"While we strongly believe in the merits of our suits, we are pleased to avoid the distraction and expense of litigation while completely resolving all claims to the Fallout IP," said Robert Altman, Chairman and CEO of ZeniMax on Monday. "Fallout is an important property of ZeniMax and we are now able to develop future Fallout titles for our fans without third party involvement or the overhang of others' legal claims."
 
 
Keep in mind that the only IP development rights Interplay had were for the FO MMO. ZeniMax is now able to develop future FO titles without third party involvement or the overhang of others' legal claims (Little paraphrasing there but you get the gist)........... considering Bethesda had all other rights to the development of the IP that really only leaves one thing they could be reffering to and it was the only thing this lawsuit was about. 
 
 
So yes, I am hopeful that we will see an FO MMO. Is it unreasonable? No. Is it unlikely? It's as unlikely as it is likely honestly. 
 
 
Little more to show why people have reason to hope :P 
 
 
Who are you guys? 
 
We're the best kept secret in the gaming industry… But, seriously, we're the online game development studio of ZeniMax Media, who also owns Bethesda Softworks. So think of us as the multiplayer-focused Bethesda Softworks. 
 
Our President was one of the founders of Mythic Entertainment and was the producer of Dark Age of Camelot and lots of other titles there. Our team is made of many other people who worked at Mythic, as well as NCsoft, Firaxis, Sony Online, EA, and Bethesda Softworks. ZeniMax Online's staff had leadership roles on popular MMOGs like Dark Age of Camelot, Warhammer Online, Star Wars: Galaxies, Ultima Online, and The Sims Online. 
 
Suffice it to say, we are very experienced and are looking forward to making the best MMOGs possible.
 
 
But Bethesda is anti Multiplayer and Anti MMO right?

Bethesda is a subsidiary of Zenimax, that doesn't mean they agree to everything Zenimax is about. Bethesda on their own have made their stance on both MMOs and social media clear:

"I'm not really an MMO guy," the Skyrim director said, speaking with Joystiq.  "I respect them, I look at them, but I don't play them.  It feels more real to me when I’m the hero and it’s crafted for that.  A community aspect to it, I recognize a lot of people would want that in a game like this, but it changes the flavor for me." 

http://www.joystiq.com/2011/08/31/todd-howard-on-skyrims-worthwhile-glitches-mmos-and-when-big-i/

That the company behind them wants an MMO doesn't necessarily mean Bethesda's going to give in, if that were the case you'd have seen an Elder Scrolls MMO a long time ago. People have been hounding Bethesda for one for years now, and the closest you're likely to get for even more years is Skyrim with the multiplayer Mod someone is developing. Also, Zenimax offered that it was now able to produce future titles, they didn't say they would be MMOs. This could just as easily mean they don't want their IP soiled with a badly done MMO and have future single-player games, which they make TONS of money on, go downhill with that reputation.

So, no, none of what you posted seems to indicate otherwise. I don't mean to piss in your cheerios, I think if they could create an MMO with the same open feel and interesting gameplay as their single player games I'd be one of the first in line to get it, my point is only to avoid getting hopes up and simply wait. That they didn't want someone else have their way with ~their~ IP doesn't necessarily mean they had any ideas of their own at the moment, either.

lol, feel free to think you pissed in my cheerios all you want. I pointed to simple facts and you counter you just don't think they will. 

 

I'm not saying its a sure thing, I'm saying it's just as likely to happen as it is not. Bethesda Soft is actually owned by ZeniMax and since you seem to refuse to read the links in full here's the part you don't seem to want to read.........

 

 

How exactly are you related to Bethesda Softworks again? 
 
ZeniMax Media owns both Bethesda Softworks as well as ZeniMax Online Studios. Bethesda makes AAA console-oriented titles, and ZeniMax Online (us!) makes MMOGs. Because we are all inside the same corporate structure, we share IP and because our offices are only about an hour apart, we can work closely with Bethesda's staff. 
 
Argue all you want, but the FACTS say it's as likely as it is unlikely regardless if you feel different or not. 
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