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  Enerzeal

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1/06/12 4:37:58 PM#201
Originally posted by Requiamer

Like most gamer i disagree with the 9+ score from the pro, and there is like a world with my own scoring.
 
-graphic 4/10 honestly its crappy plain and simple, no argument here
 
-gameplay 4/10 Not that it's bad but its not good either, and tbh i don't like Wow gameplay anyway, and even if i did Wow i think is just better and have a lot more cohesion, and wow is 10 years old guys, 10, yes TEN... 20 years ago we played pong and pack man...
 
-innovation 4/10 (is it even a category we usually use to score new games? i don't believe so, but lets pretend it does) Honestly it deserve a zero, but since they put some story in our mmo i can't be that harsh.
 
-polish 7/10 Not such a good polish i'm sorry, compare to the mmos i played over all, and not just the AoC/Vanguard mess which seam to be the standard now when you talk about polish in mmos.
 
-longevity 4/10 what longevity is there? i see none, gameplay is the same as wow, story element are pretty short, since you max a toon in few days. When during beta the dev was talking about longevity and rerolling power in this game i was like face palm, f*...* lyers. This game weak point is longevity if you can't see that you are pretty much blind.

-value 4/10 especially for some 120$ box which is actually a full year of mmo for most titles out.
social 6/10 but only because its the game out now, this would need some revaluation in few month if things change when it come to popularity. The game is definitely not build to promote social aspect for sure.

Ill add my own section for this game because it really deserve it imo

-story : 7/10 well the dialog are horrible guys, and the impact of your own path is pretty much existent unlike your claims... that's explain the somehow low score, and Bioware definitely made better story quests in older games anyway, so even from their own standard they are pretty low to me, 7 is definitely where it should be to me at least.
 
 
conclusion 5/10, as you see i didn't bought a lot from the novelty aspect, nor the Bioware + SW awesome sauce. Not that i don't value either, Bioware made one of my best game, and i love the 1r trilogy for sure as any kid from those days looking it at the theater when it went out.
 
You guys should make a new NWN or something like that, that was actually a brilliant multiplayer game, and it aged damn well.

I hope that no one takes this review seriously. WoW came out in 2004 bud. 20 years ago we we're playing on the super nintendo, get your time line right.

Graphics, pretty good, not mind blowing but pretty good, hands and mouth sync is really good.

Animation, top notch, best I've seen in an MMO.

Story, absolutely brilliant.

polish, for a game not yet a month old, as good as RIFT if not better.

Longevity, simply astounding, alts, legacy, pvp, rp, best themepark for longevity honestly.

Gameplay for the style of game is pretty damn good also.

Innovation, yea story is nice but beyond that not much.

8.5-9/10

 

Has the potentional to be fantastic.

  booheads

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Joined: 1/03/12
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1/06/12 4:41:05 PM#202
Originally posted by teakbois2
Originally posted by booheads

If MMORPG.com were so biased and wrong and payed off, how come every other major review site or magazine is giving the game similiar scores?




 




Any explanation?





 

they were paid off too.  EVERONE GETS PAID!!!

 

Sarcasm? :P

 

I dont think anyone is going to suggest they honestly payed off 30 sites/magazines so far.

 

The review is spot on.

  tank017

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1/06/12 4:41:22 PM#203
This review is way too generous..6.7-7 tops
  Requiamer

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Joined: 5/20/05
Posts: 2054

1/06/12 4:45:08 PM#204
Originally posted by Enerzeal
 

I hope that no one takes this review seriously. WoW came out in 2004 bud. 20 years ago we we're playing on the super nintendo, get your time line right.


 

 

or maybe learn to read i said 10 years for Wow, ok its 8 big deal. And 20 is for pong and pack man, heard of those maybe?

  dead2soon

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1/06/12 4:51:59 PM#205

Originally posted by Moirae


Originally posted by dead2soon


The scores don't match the criticisms. I pretty much feel this way about all the SWTOR reviews. It just smells of kiss ass. Reviewers list a number of major negatives yet still give 9/10 scores. I believe that honest reviews are just dead. Sad.



Soooo... because you don't like the game, every review that says the game is great is lying. Uh huh. That's a load of garbage and you know it. Your opinion doesn't match othger peoples opinions. thats life. But it IS your opinion.



 




While it is true that my opinion of the reviewers opinion isn't consistant with the score he gave that is my opinon, My opinion is that that a score of 9 should be almost perfect and without any real flaw. In the end we all can all just wait 6 months to see if this game is a success. No one can make that determination right now. Maybe I just have higher standards for an mmo than most. /shrug


  Requiamer

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1/06/12 4:52:00 PM#206
(mod edit)

No i'm sorry graphism quality is under a medium quality game made today, that explain the 4. I just can't give it even a 5 and be honest here, well 5 would be the best in any case. The game is heavily instanced; such bad quality graphism have no explaination to me, if the game was seamless, no instanced that would be a somewhat good graphism and would get a 6 which is still low, but not for Swtor design.

edit:

Ho and between i don't talk about art style, thats an other matter, i don't judge that is such scoring. I find "the clone war" serie artstyle not that bad actually at its time at least, you would know it if you worked a bit in 3d.

  Syrith

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1/06/12 4:53:45 PM#207

9.5/10 on polish?  Really?  I haven't played a AAA title in a long time that was anywhere near as buggy as this game.  Quest bugs, mobs in the walls bugs, can't move bugs, people crashing on load, huge memory leaks, massive graphical stuttering on high end machines that has several hundred page threads on their official forums.  We should be a lot further along than they kept the servers up at launch being a big win.  It's on par with, and possibly worse than AoC for launch bugs.


 



 

  Methos12

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1/06/12 5:01:07 PM#208

Originally posted by dead2soon

The scores don't match the criticisms. I pretty much feel this way about all the SWTOR reviews. It just smells of kiss ass. Reviewers list a number of major negatives yet still give 9/10 scores. I believe that honest reviews are just dead. Sad.





 


I'm inclined to agree, which makes it all the more important to actually READ the review and not focus so much on the given score.


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  nazgeru

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1/06/12 5:31:55 PM#209

Reviews like this are why no one takes game reviews seriously. Everyone who likes the game is going gaga over it I am sure, but it is just so disingenuous. The two categories I have the most issue with:

 

Gameplay: I am sorry you simply cannot give a 9/10 to this game. Even if one only factors in the atrocious UI (admitted by even the most adamant of fanbois) and the ability delay (admitted by the devs) and nothing else, you cannot reasonably call the gameplay "almost perfect" which is essentially what a 9/10 is. At best, one could say that the gameplay doesn't detract from the other aspects of the game that one might like. But that would put it firmly in the middle range of numbers.

Heck even in the review you admit to it being "familiar" and then spend a paragraph explaining why that isn't necessarily bad. If you have to make excuses for something, chances are its not as great as you want it to be.

 

Polish: 9.5? Really? One step less than perfect for a game that scrapped several features they touted just before launch, has 2 major exploits that have already wreaked havoc on the economy, a barely functional market interface, no combat log*, story stopping bugs, no AA, etc. BW just decided to strip everything out of the game that didn't work well, and even the stuff they left in isn't really any more stable that your run of the mill big-budget release. 'Hey that car has no muffler, trunk space, back seats, power steering, or power anything but the tires are well inflated and the engine runs so I am gonna give it top marks for design'

* the combat log is a big one to me because, it is essentially all that an MMO is. MMOs are basically just graphical MUD's. How then can a company fail to implement the most basic of functions to the game? What terrible coding must exist that you cannot properly translate the data that already exists into a text log file. This is a process that I would be shocked was missing from a game in the 90's. (And before a fanboi jumps in and exclaims how great it is not to be measured I just want to point out that I don't care whether you like it or not, the point is that BW admitted that they intend to have it but failed to implement it correctly before launch)

 

Ultimately reviews like this are useless. You can love a game all you want and if you do, more power to you. I am not one to wish ill on you if this is what you want to play, but if you are going to try and give a review for the public to consider you have to be honest about what the product is. When every single number is inflated the whole scale gets so condensed as to be completely irrelevant.

  orsonstfu

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Joined: 2/12/08
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1/06/12 5:35:13 PM#210
Originally posted by nazgeru

Reviews like this are why no one takes game reviews seriously. Everyone who likes the game is going gaga over it I am sure, but it is just so disingenuous. The two categories I have the most issue with:

 

Gameplay: I am sorry you simply cannot give a 9/10 to this game. Even if one only factors in the atrocious UI (admitted by even the most adamant of fanbois) and the ability delay (admitted by the devs) and nothing else, you cannot reasonably call the gameplay "almost perfect" which is essentially what a 9/10 is. At best, one could say that the gameplay doesn't detract from the other aspects of the game that one might like. But that would put it firmly in the middle range of numbers.

Heck even in the review you admit to it being "familiar" and then spend a paragraph explaining why that isn't necessarily bad. If you have to make excuses for something, chances are its not as great as you want it to be.

 

Polish: 9.5? Really? One step less than perfect for a game that scrapped several features they touted just before launch, has 2 major exploits that have already wreaked havoc on the economy, a barely functional market interface, no combat log*, story stopping bugs, no AA, etc. BW just decided to strip everything out of the game that didn't work well, and even the stuff they left in isn't really any more stable that your run of the mill big-budget release.

* the combat log is a big one to me because, it is essentially all that an MMO is. MMOs are basically just graphical MUD's. How then can a company fail to implement the most basic of functions to the game? What terrible coding must exist that you cannot properly translate the data that already exists into a text log file. This is a process that I would be shocked was missing from a game in the 90's. (And before a fanboi jumps in and exclaims how great it is not to be measured I just want to point out that I don't care whether you like it or not, the point is that BW admitted that they intend to have it but failed to implement it correctly before launch)

 

Ultimately reviews like this are useless. You can love a game all you want and if you do, more power to you. I am not one to wish ill on you if this is what you want to play, but if you are going to try and give a review for the public to consider you have to be honest about what the product is. When every single number is inflated the whole scale gets so condensed as to be completely irrelevant.

Well written and critical of the the non-critical fanboyish style that the review was written from. Reviews are supposed to be objective. List out the pros and cons and the problems and then the merits... this one failed to do that on every level.

 

 

Just remember:

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  UsualSuspect

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1/06/12 5:44:14 PM#211



Originally posted by teakbois2


Originally posted by booheads


If MMORPG.com were so biased and wrong and payed off, how come every other major review site or magazine is giving the game similiar scores?


Any explanation? 



they were paid off too.  EVERONE GETS PAID!!!



Like this one?


http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/gamesblog/2011/dec/23/star-wars-old-republic-game-review


It's obvious they've never even played the game. Read down a few lines and you'll see things like: "Admittedly, you can distract yourself with mini games like speed racing for credits..", and, ".. once you earn the credits and experience to buy your own ship, massive multiplayer skirmishes in deep space beckon.".


That said, it's a strange review, as if they didn't want to do it so gave a bunch of negative comments. Somehow it still scored 4/5 though.


  Coolit

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1/06/12 5:49:51 PM#212

Originally posted by Enerzeal


Graphics, pretty good, not mind blowing but pretty good, hands and mouth sync is really good.

Animation, top notch, best I've seen in an MMO.


Story, absolutely brilliant.


polish, for a game not yet a month old, as good as RIFT if not better.


Longevity, simply astounding, alts, legacy, pvp, rp, best themepark for longevity honestly.


Gameplay for the style of game is pretty damn good also.


Innovation, yea story is nice but beyond that not much.


8.5-9/10


 


Has the potentional to be fantastic.



 


You're kidding right? TOR is not even close to the polish that RiFT had at launch, for one there were no game breaking bugs in RiFT unlike TOR and RiFT wasn't missing any key features like a good UI or combat log. 


  XxjagoxX

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1/06/12 5:51:19 PM#213

Since i already know i will get Another temp ban for speaking my mind. i will just say... YAY Great job MMORPG is the best MMO website out there Yay!!!!!  Now i will go run naked in medow full of flowers!! Oh joy to us all!!!




  BillMurphy

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1/06/12 5:54:39 PM#214

Honest question to keep discussion going: if the score wasn't there, and we were just talking about Mike's words, would this whole argument even be taking place?

It's not ultimately the numbers that matter, a B grade, 4-stars, 8/10, 87/100, three and a half thumbs up... it's the content.  And even there you may have things to contend.  But the actual words are what matter is my angle.

  orsonstfu

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1/06/12 5:58:34 PM#215
Originally posted by BillMurphy

Honest question to keep discussion going: if the score wasn't there, and we were just talking about Mike's words, would this whole argument even be taking place?

It's not ultimately the numbers that matter, a B grade, 4-stars, 8/10, 87/100, three and a half thumbs up... it's the content.  And even there you may have things to contend.  But the actual words are what matter is my angle.

The problem is that he didn't even attempt to delve into any of the negative aspects of the game.

  User Deleted
1/06/12 6:02:11 PM#216
Originally posted by BillMurphy

Honest question to keep discussion going: if the score wasn't there, and we were just talking about Mike's words, would this whole argument even be taking place?

It's not ultimately the numbers that matter, a B grade, 4-stars, 8/10, 87/100, three and a half thumbs up... it's the content.  And even there you may have things to contend.  But the actual words are what matter is my angle.

I feel a bit dirty for saying it but I will anyways: I told you so. Earlier in the thread.

  fiontar

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1/06/12 6:03:54 PM#217

Seriously? One of the least objective official reviews ever written for this site!


Even though everything in the game is authentic Star Wars in appearance, it still manages to come off as mediocre. The aesthetics of the game are horrible when you consider they manage to take Star Wars and have it look and feel so "bleh". Part of it is the very deliberate way in which the textures all somehow manage to look like textures produced by the WoW artists.


The technicals of the crafting system are fine, but there is no in game economy because they didn't design crafting in a way to sustain an in game economy. Some people may enjoy the money sink, but crafting is a failure with in the bigger picture of the economy.


Combat is 100% based on World of Warcraft. There is absolutely nothing dynamic or innovative about it. It's a system with too many skills to fit on two full skill bars, with a core of skills you spam when ever they are off cooldown and a few that are very situational.


The UI is sufficiently WoW like, but with out the ability to customize anything beyond turning some elements on or off.


The story is the only real positive for the game if you are looking for features that rate above average. PVP is horrible and unbalanced. Space Battles are a repetative mini game. The game engine should never have been applied to this project and it's limitations cause performance issues and have forced horrible compromises in world design.


Polish? The game still has tons of very obvious bugs, let alone obscure ones that one might understand being missed before launch. The item mod system was pushed with out enough development time, which has contributed to the broken economy. 80% of the armor in game looks like a five year old designed it.


Story is the limits of innovation here, with the entire rest of the game a copy/paste hack job pulling from WoW and a number of mediocre MMOs as well.


A 7.3 for this game would be very generous. An 8.7 completely sacrifices the site's credibility.


Want to know more about GW2 and why there is so much buzz? Start here: Guild Wars 2 Mass Info for the Uninitiated

  User Deleted
1/06/12 6:03:58 PM#218

I dont really consider SWTOR an MMO, more a singleplayer in a multiplayer enviroment.


Im currently playing a consular in the 30´s and ive been playing 95% solo.


The game is just no cut out to play in groups, since each class has it own storyline and the players must go separate ways. So, since im playing it solo, i must do all sidequests for any given level to keep my level up to do the class quest. But doing all these sidequests takes away the focus of the main story for my class...which i sort of allways forgot what it was about...


Im suprised to see tha high rating for a Star wars game where space is just a minigame an dyou cant pilot your ship and it just looks silly.


 


  treysmooth

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1/06/12 6:17:05 PM#219
Originally posted by fiontar

Seriously? One of the least objective official reviews ever written for this site!


Even though everything in the game is authentic Star Wars in appearance, it still manages to come off as mediocre. The aesthetics of the game are horrible when you consider they manage to take Star Wars and have it look and feel so "bleh". Part of it is the very deliberate way in which the textures all somehow manage to look like textures produced by the WoW artists.


The technicals of the crafting system are fine, but there is no in game economy because they didn't design crafting in a way to sustain an in game economy. Some people may enjoy the money sink, but crafting is a failure with in the bigger picture of the economy.


Combat is 100% based on World of Warcraft. There is absolutely nothing dynamic or innovative about it. It's a system with too many skills to fit on two full skill bars, with a core of skills you spam when ever they are off cooldown and a few that are very situational.


The UI is sufficiently WoW like, but with out the ability to customize anything beyond turning some elements on or off.


The story is the only real positive for the game if you are looking for features that rate above average. PVP is horrible and unbalanced. Space Battles are a repetative mini game. The game engine should never have been applied to this project and it's limitations cause performance issues and have forced horrible compromises in world design.


Polish? The game still has tons of very obvious bugs, let alone obscure ones that one might understand being missed before launch. The item mod system was pushed with out enough development time, which has contributed to the broken economy. 80% of the armor in game looks like a five year old designed it.


Story is the limits of innovation here, with the entire rest of the game a copy/paste hack job pulling from WoW and a number of mediocre MMOs as well.


A 7.3 for this game would be very generous. An 8.7 completely sacrifices the site's credibility.

 

That is all your opinion and thats great and all but tbh I disagree with you and clearly the reviewer does as well.  Also you want to bitch about all the bugs and such but name even one mmo that released with more polish.  I find this whole thread a riot as everyone and their brother comes in declaring they were paid for the review or they are biased toward bioware or whatever, all of the talk is just that talk and the opinion of said person.  I can't stop laughing when I read how the review destorys the sites credibility,  then that must mean it destroys the rep of every single game site on the planet because they are all praising the game.

  Deznts

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1/06/12 6:26:19 PM#220

Anyone complaining about being bored, having run out of content, having hit 50 and having nothing to do...

You have NO ONE but yourself to blame. To have experienced all this game has to offer, you must've played most of your waking hours since release. 

Please just let me point out that these people described above are NOT EVEN CLOSE TO A MAJORITY of the gaming community. Not even a significant portion.

If you play a game non-stop for days on end and don't bother with things like... Having a job, or contributing to society, or partaking in other hobbies or relationships, you have only yourself to blame when you run out of content. It certainly is not the fault of the developers. 

You can't have your cake and eat it too. When you figure that one out you may actually slow down enough to enjoy life.

 

P.S. The cake is a lie anyhow

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