Trending Games | Trove | ArcheAge | Elder Scrolls Online | Marvel Heroes

  Network:  FPSguru RTSguru
Login:  Password:   Remember?  
Show Quick Gamelist Jump to Random Game
Members:2,871,501 Users Online:0
Games:744  Posts:6,254,536
Recent forum postsRSS
Active threads
Cloud view
List all forums
General Forums
Developers Corner General Discussion
Popular Game Forums
Click a status to find game forum
Game Forums
Click a letter to find game forum
A-C
2029 Online 2112: Revolution 2Moons 4Story 8BitMMO 9 Dragons A Mystical Land A Tale in the Desert III A3 ACE Online ARGO Online Aberoth Absolute Force Online Absolute Terror Achaea Adellion Aerrevan Aetolia, the Midnight Age Age of Armor Age of Conan Age of Empires Online Age of Mourning Age of Wulin Age of Wushu Aida Arenas Aika Aion Albion Online Alganon All Points Bulletin (APB) Allods Online Altis Gates Amazing World Anarchy Online Ancients of Fasaria Andromeda 5 Angels Online Angry Birds Epic Anime Trumps Anmynor Anno Online Applo Arcane Hearts Arcane Legends ArchLord ArcheAge Archeblade Archlord X Ascend: Hand of Kul Asda 2 Asda Story Ashen Empires Asheron's Call Asheron's Call 2 Astera Online Astonia III Astro Empires Astro Lords: Oort CLoud Asura Force Atlantica Online Atriarch Aura Kingdom Aurora Blade Auto Assault Avatar Star Battle Dawn Battle Dawn Galaxies Battle for Graxia Battle of 3 Kingdoms Battle of the Immortals Battlecruiser Online Battlestar Galactica Online Battlestar Reloaded Beyond Protocol Black Aftermath Black Desert Black Gold Black Prophecy Black Prophecy Tactics: Nexus Conflict Blacklight Retribution Blade & Soul Blade Hunter Blade Wars Blazing Throne Bless Blitz 1941 Blood and Jade Bloodlines Champions Boot Hill Heroes Borderlands 2 Borderlands: The Pre-Sequel Bound by Flame Bounty Bay Online Brain Storm Bravada Bravely Default Bravely Second Brawl Busters. Brick-Force Bright Shadow Bullet Run Business Tycoon Online CTRacer Cabal Online Caesary Call of Camelot Call of Gods Call of Thrones Camelot Unchained Canaan Online Cardmon Hero Cartoon Universe CasinoRPG Cast & Conquer Castle Empire Castlot Celtic Heroes Champions Online Champions of Regnum Chaos Online Child of Light Chrono Tales Citadel of Sorcery CitiesXL Citizen Zero City of Decay City of Heroes City of Steam City of Transformers City of Villains Civilization Online Clan Lord Clash of Clans Cloud Nine Club Penguin Colony of War Command & Conquer: Tiberium Alliances Company of Heroes Online Conquer Online Conquer Online 3 Continent of the Ninth (C9) Core Blaze Core Exiles Corum Online Craft of Gods Crimecraft Crimelife 2 Cronous Crota II Crusaders of Solaris Cultures Online Cyber Monster 2 Cyberpunk 2077 Céiron Wars
D-F
D&D Online DC Universe DK Online DOTA DOTA 2 DUST 514 DV8: Exile Dalethaan Dance Groove Online Dark Age of Camelot Dark Ages Dark Legends Dark Orbit Dark Relic: Prelude Dark Solstice Dark Souls 2 Dark and Light DarkEden Online DarkSpace Darkblood Online Darkest Dungeon Darkfall Darkfall: Unholy Wars Darkwind: War on Wheels Das Tal Dawn of Fantasy Dawntide DayZ Dead Earth Dead Frontier Dead Island Dead Island 2 Dead Island: Riptide Deco Online Deep Down Deepworld Defiance Deicide Online Dekaron Demons at the Horizon Desert Operations Destiny Diablo 3 Diamonin Digimon Battle Dino Storm Disciple Divergence Divina Divine Souls Divinity: Original Sin Dofus Dominus Online Dragon Age: Inquisition Dragon Ball Online Dragon Born Online Dragon Crusade Dragon Empires Dragon Eternity Dragon Fin Soup Dragon Nest Dragon Oath Dragon Pals Dragon Raja Dragon's Call Dragon's Call II Dragon's Prophet DragonSky DragonSoul Dragona Dragonica Dragons and Titans Drakengard 3 Dream of Mirror Online Dreamland Online Dreamlords: The Reawakening Drift City Duels Dungeon Blitz Dungeon Fighter Online Dungeon Overlord Dungeon Party Dungeon Rampage Dungeon Runners Dungeon of the Endless Dynastica Dynasty Warriors Online Dynasty of the Magi EIN (Epicus Incognitus) EVE Online Earth Eternal Earth and Beyond Earthrise Eclipse War Ecol Tactics Online Eden Eternal Edge of Space Einherjar - The Viking's Blood Elder Scrolls Online Eldevin Elf Online Elite: Dangerous Embers of Caerus Emil Chronicle Online Empire Empire & State Empire Craft Empire Universe 3 EmpireQuest Empires of Galldon End of Nations Endless Ages Endless Blue Moon Online Endless Online Entropia Universe EpicDuel Erebus: Travia Reborn Eredan Eternal Blade Eternal Lands Eternal Saga Ether Fields Ether Saga Online Eudemons Online EuroGangster EverEmber Online EverQuest Next EverQuest Online Adventures Evernight Everquest Everquest II Evony Exarch Exorace F.E.A.R. Online Face of Mankind Fairyland Online Fall of Rome Fallen Earth Fallen Sword Fallout 4 Fallout Online Family Guy Online Fantage Fantasy Earth Zero Fantasy Realm Online Fantasy Tales Online Fantasy Worlds: Rhynn Faunasphere Faxion Online Fearless Fantasy Ferentus Ferion Fiesta Online Final Fantasy Type-0 HD Final Fantasy XI Final Fantasy XIV Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn Firefall Fists of Fu Florensia Flyff Football Manager Live Football Superstars Force of Arms Forge Forsaken Uprising Forsaken World Fortnite Fortuna Forum for Discussion of Everlight Freaky Creatures Free Realms Freesky Online Freeworld Fung Wan Online Furcadia Fury Fusion Fall
G-L
GalaXseeds Galactic Command Online Game of Thrones: Seven Kingdoms Gameglobe Gate To Heavens Gates of Andaron Gatheryn Gauntlet Gekkeiju Online Ghost Online Ghost Recon Online Gladiatus Glitch Global Agenda Global Soccer Gloria Victis Glory of Gods GoGoRacer Goal Line Blitz Gods and Heroes GodsWar Online Golemizer Golf Star GoonZu Online Graal Kingdoms Granado Espada Online Grand Chase Grand Fantasia Grepolis Grimlands Guild Wars Guild Wars 2 Guild Wars Factions Guild Wars Nightfall H1Z1 Habbo Hotel Hailan Rising HaloSphere2 Haven & Hearth Hawken Heart Forth Alicia Hearthstone: Heroes of Warcraft Helbreath Hellgate Hellgate: London Hello Kitty Online Hero Online Hero Zero Hero's Journey Hero: 108 Online HeroSmash Heroes & Generals Heroes & Legends: Conquerors of Kolhar Heroes in the Sky Heroes of Atlan Heroes of Bestia Heroes of Gaia Heroes of Might and Magic Online Heroes of Thessalonica Heroes of Three Kingdoms Heroes of the Storm Hex Holic Online Hostile Space Hunter Blade Huxley Icewind Dale: Enhanced Edition Illutia Illyriad Immortals USA Imperator Imperian Inferno Legend Infestation: Survivor Stories Infinite Crisis Infinity Infinity Iris Online Iron Grip: Marauders Irth Worlds Island Forge Islands of War Istaria: Chronicles of the Gifted Jade Dynasty Jagged Alliance Online Juggernaut Jumpgate Jumpgate Evolution KAL Online Kakele Online Kaos War Karos Online Kartuga Kicks Online King of Kings 3 Kingdom Heroes Kingdom Under Fire II Kingdom of Drakkar Kingory Kings and Legends Kings of the Realm KingsRoad Kitsu Saga Kiwarriors Knight Age Knight Online Knights of Dream City Kothuria Kung Foo! Kunlun Online Kyn L.A.W. LEGO Universe La Tale Land of Chaos Online Landmark Lands of Hope: Phoenix Edition LastChaos League of Angels League of Legends - Clash of Fates Legend of Edda: Vengeance Legend of Golden Plume Legend of Katha Legend of Mir 2 Legend of Mir 3 Legendary Champions Lego Minifigures Online Lichdom: Battlemage Life is Feudal Light of Nova Lime Odyssey Line of Defense Lineage Lineage Eternal: Twilight Resistance Lineage II Linkrealms Loong Online Lord of the Rings Online Lords Online Lords of the Fallen Lost Saga Lucent Heart Lunia Lusternia: Age of Ascension Luvinia World
M-Q
MU Online Mabinogi Maestia: Rise of Keledus MagiKnights Magic Barrage Magic World Online Manga Fighter MapleStory Martial Heroes Marvel Heroes Marvel Super Hero Squad Online Marvel: Avengers Alliance Mass Effect 4 MechWarrior Online Megaten Meridian 59 : Evolution Merlin MetalMercs Metaplace Metin 2 MicroVolts Middle-earth: Shadow of Mordor Midkemia Online Might & Magic Heroes: Kingdoms Might & Magic X: Legacy MilMo Minecraft Mini Fighter Minions of Mirth Ministry of War Monato Esprit Monkey King Online Monkey Quest Monster & Me Monster Madness Online MonsterMMORPG Moonlight Online: Tales of Eternal Blood Moonrise Mordavia Mortal Online Mourning My Lands Myst Online: URU Live Myth Angels Online Myth War Myth War 2 Mythborne Mytheon Mythic Saga Mythos N.E.O Online NIDA Online Nadirim Naviage: The Power of Capital Navy Field Need for Speed World Nemexia Neo's Land NeoSteam Neocron Nether Neverwinter Nexus: The Kingdom Of The Winds NinjaTrick NosTale Novus Aeterno Oberin Odin Quest Odyssey RPG Ogre Island Omerta 3 Online Boxing Manager Onverse Order & Chaos Online Order of Magic Original Blood Origins Return Origins of Malu Orion's Belt Otherland Forums OverSoul Overkings Oz Online Oz World Pandora Saga Pantheon: Rise of the Fallen Panzar Parabellum Parallel Kingdom Parfait Station Path of Exile Pathfinder Online Perfect World Perpetuum Online Persona V Phantasy Star Online 2 Phantasy Star Universe Phoenix Dynasty Online Phylon Pi Story Picaroon Pillars of Eternity Pirate Galaxy Pirate Storm Pirate101 PirateKing Online Pirates of the Burning Sea Pirates of the Caribbean Online Pixie Hollow Planeshift Planet Arkadia Planet Calypso PlanetSide 2 Planetside Planets³ Playboy Manager Pocket Legends Pockie Ninja Pockie Pirates Pockie Saints Pokémon X and Y PoxNora Prime World Prime: Battle for Dominus Priston Tale Priston Tale II Prius Online Prodigy Project Blackout Project Gorgon Project Powder Project Titan Forums Project Wiki Project Zomboid Puzzle Pirates Quest for Infamy Quickhit Football
R-S
R2 Online RAN Online RF Online ROSE Online Rage of 3 Kingdoms Ragnarok Online Ragnarok Online II RaiderZ Rakion Rappelz RappelzSEA Ravenmarch Realm Fighter Realm of Sierra Realm of the Mad God Realm of the Titans Realms Online Reclamation Red Stone Red War: Edem's Curse Regnum Online Remnant Knights Renaissance Repulse Requiem: Memento Mori Rift RiotZone Rise Rise of Dragonian Era Rise of Empire Rise of the Tycoon Risen 3: Titan Lords Rising of King Risk Your Life Rivality Rockfree Rohan: Blood Feud Role Play Worlds Roll n Rock Roma Victor Romadoria Rosh Online Roto X Rubies of Eventide Ruin Online Rumble Fighter Runes of Magic Runescape Rust Rusty Hearts Ryzom S4 League SAGA SD Gundam Capsule Fighter Online SMITE SUN Sacred 3 Sagramore Salem SaySayGirls Scarlet Blade Scions of Fate Seal Online: Evolution Second Chance Heroes Second Life Secret of the Solstice Seed Serenia Fantasy Seven Seas Saga Seven Souls Online Sevencore Shadow Realms Shadow of Legend Shadowbane Shadowrun Online Shaiya Shards Online Shattered Galaxy Sho Online Shot Online Shroud of the Avatar SideQuest Siege on Stars Sigonyth: Desert Eternity Silkroad Online Skyblade Skyforge SmashMuck Champions Smoo Online Soldier Front Soul Master Soul Order Online Soul of Guardian South Park: The Stick of Truth Space Heroes Universe Sparta: War of Empires Spellcasters Sphere Spiral Knights Spirit Tales Splash Fighters Squad Wars Star Citizen Star Sonata 2 Star Stable Star Supremacy Star Trek Online Star Trek: Infinite Space Star Wars Galaxies Star Wars: Clone Wars Adventures Star Wars: The Old Republic StarQuest Online Starbound Stargate Worlds Starlight Story Starpires State of Decay SteelWar Online Stone Age 2 Stormfall: Age of War Storybricks Stronghold Kingdoms Styx: Master of Shadows Sudden Attack Supremacy 1914 Supreme Destiny Sword Girls Sword of Destiny: Rise of Aions SwordX Swords of Heavens Swordsman
T-Z
TERA TS Online TUG Tabula Rasa Tactica Online Tales Runner Tales of Fantasy Tales of Pirates Tales of Pirates II Tales of Solaris Talisman Online Tamer Saga Tank Ace Tantra Online Tatsumaki: Land at War Terra Militaris TerraWorld Online Terraria Thang Online The 4th Coming The Agency The Aurora World The Banner Saga The Black Watchmen The Chronicle The Chronicles of Spellborn The Crew The Division The Epic Might The Hammers End The Incredible Adventures of Van Helsing The Incredible Adventures of Van Helsing 2 The Legend of Ares The Lost Titans The Matrix Online The Mighty Quest for Epic Loot The Missing Ink The Mummy Online The Myth of Soma The Pride of Taern The Realm Online The Repopulation The Secret World The Sims Online The Strategems The West The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt Theralon There Therian Saga Thrones of Chaos Tibia Tibia Micro Edition Tiger Knight Titan Siege Titans of Time Toontown Online Top Speed Topia Online Torchlight Torment: Tides of Numenera Total Domination Transformers Universe Transistor Transverse Traveller AR Travia Online Travian Trials of Ascension Tribal Hero Tribal Wars Tribes Universe Trickster Online Trove Troy Online True Fantasy Live Online Turf Battles Twelve Sky Twelve Sky 2 Twilight War Tynon U.B. Funkeys UFO Online URDEAD Online Ultima Forever: Quest for the Avatar Ultima Online Ultima X: Odyssey Ultimate Naruto Ultimate Soccer Boss Uncharted Waters Online Undercover 2: Merc Wars Underlight Unification Wars Universe Online Utopia Valkyrie Sky Vampire Lord Online Vanguard: Saga of Heroes Vanquish Space Vector City Racers Vendetta Online Victory - Age of Racing Vindictus Virtonomics Vis Gladius Visions of Zosimos VoidExpanse Voyage Century Online W.E.L.L. Online WAR (Warhammer Online) WAR2 Glory WYD Global Wakfu War Thunder War of 2012 War of Angels War of Legends War of Mercenaries War of Thrones War of the Immortals WarFlow Waren Story Wargame1942 Warhammer 40,000: Eternal Crusade Warhammer 40K: Dark Millennium Online Warhammer Online: Wrath of Heroes Warkeepers Warrior Epic Wartune Wasteland 2 WebLords Wild West Online WildStar Wind of Luck WindSlayer 2 Wings of Destiny Wish Wizard101 Wizardry Online Wizards and Champions Wonder King Wonderland Online World Golf Tour World of Battles World of Darkness World of Heroes World of Kung Fu World of Pirates World of Speed World of Tanks World of Tanks Generals World of Warcraft World of Warplanes World of Warships World of the Living Dead WorldAlpha Wurm Online Xenoblade Chronicles: X Xenocell Xiah Xsyon Xulu YS Online Yitien ZU Online Zentia Zero Online Zero Online: The Andromeda Crisis Zodiac Online Zombies Ate My Pizza eRepublik

MMORPG.com Discussion Forums

General Discussion

General Discussion 

The Pub at MMORPG.COM  » New Subscription Formulas vs FTP

2 Pages 1 2 » Search
24 posts found
  pupurun

Apprentice Member

Joined: 5/17/09
Posts: 542

 
OP  1/03/12 7:17:52 AM#1

Is subscription and Free to Play(with shop) the only two ways a mmo game can go?

We ve heard of dying subscription games going much better after going FTP cause of the fast rise of population which mathematically leads to a certain percentage  actually spending some money on the shop. But how big is that number? Will they shop again?

Some games give you a better status if you shop once(DC universe) others offer subs with benefits while they allow to thousands of players taste what some have been paying 15$ for years. I think it can be confusing.

What makes me wonder is why haven't any of the mmos risked a different formula of subscription.Yes i DO mean a cheaper one.

My mind can give a purely subjective example(numbers are low for practical reasons):

you can have 1000 subbed players that are not enough with their 15.000$ per month

Now you go free to play and you get what? Double?Quadrible? ok you can even get 5000 players.Which percentage would take the sub? I 'd say less than initial cause many subbers leave when a game turns ftp and most of them try to gain from the change and spend less money only for the things they trully want.

Lets say you get 600 subbs.Thats 9000$. Now for the ftp players that will purchase anything from the shop....

Most of the time we hear that mmos that go FTP double their income. So lets say it makes 20.000$ overall.

That is 11.000 $ from shop.That number can go higher but its' almost definite it will not stay that high too long.

So eventually, supposed a game is doing well, you can get to a basis of 15.000-20.000 which could even go a bit higher but not for too long...

 

My idea:

21 days free trial and then a subscription of 9.90$ per month (or 45$ for six months and 80$ for a year).

Make the free trials start a specific date and end at another. This will insure large populations on starter zones and the creation of in-game social activities and friendships much easier. This way a large portion of the trial players would sub after the 21 days.I almost never sub on a game i haven't made friends in! This trial could be reapeated many times a year.

Example: You get 4000 trial players all at once . Starting areas packed. I f the game is good there is a high chance that many player would want to continue their adventure along with their friends and the cheap price helps them decide.

even if half sub you could get 2000 x 9.90 = 19800 

and most of all you could keep your old subscribers much easier cause they would feel "sold out'. I'd say you could keep them all! Why leave a game you been paying 15$ after it goes 9,90$ ???

So that would be 1000 x 9,90 = 9.900$

Plus many veterans returning cause of the price change.

And you need  only around 1000 new subbers from trial and you can get close to 20.000$.

That 20.000 can keep up more months that any 20.000 coming from the first months of a ftp game.It's logical...

Most important. You still have a subbed game and you don't get your average underage imature badmouthing ganking punk named IFUCKYOURMOM destroying your game's image....

Please feel free to share your opinion. The numbers above come only from my mind based on my experiences and what i've read so i could be wrong...

 

  Gdemami

Elite Member

Joined: 9/23/08
Posts: 7034

1/03/12 7:25:50 AM#2


Originally posted by pupurun

What makes me wonder is why haven't any of the mmos risked a different formula of subscription.Yes i DO mean a cheaper one.

That is mostly because most companies do not want to lose money, which is a case of lower sub rate.


Considering the supply/demand remains the same, lowering your sub results in loss of money only.


15 USD is already pocket money and cheap service.

  mmoski

Novice Member

Joined: 6/27/08
Posts: 263

1/03/12 7:36:51 AM#3
The Days of P2P are over, unless you hold an IP of such high demand, games need to amazingly unique or outstandingly good too allow them to charge monthly fees. End of story, beginning of new era.
 
Quite a good example of why....
 
  free2play

Advanced Member

Joined: 10/13/05
Posts: 1813

1/03/12 7:37:02 AM#4

You are trying to wrangle what is fair. Most companies don't see fair, they only see more. Alot of companies aren't just based on Profit, they are based on growth and Growth means more.

 

The thing with MMO games is, they have been around $15 a month for over 20 years. We know games lose subs so your company is booked to shrink. A cash shop can be made dynamic based on what I want to spend.

Freemium is the new model, allowing a $15 a month person to play but allowing the $20 here and there to play as well. Free usually means you get to watch, not much more. It will kill PvP because you can pay to win. It's why Games are now defining themself as PvP or PvE. I actually prefer this. It's transparent and I don't feel like I'm being scammed or getting hooked with a bait and switch.

Tera for example, if they told me they will go F2P with a cash shop in 4 years, I'd buy it anyway because they were honest up front. I'd prefer they also tell me they appreciate that and will give me blatant advantage on PvE in that game for doing that and let the people who wait cry moar. As long as it's up fron and honest, I'm willing to look at any system.

  Adamantine

Advanced Member

Joined: 1/07/08
Posts: 3326

War is not the ultima ratio, but the ultima irratio - Willy Brandt

1/03/12 8:16:45 AM#5
Originally posted by mmoski
The Days of P2P are over, [...]

Also all future computers will run unix, all future cpus will use gallium-arsenide, and the PC is dead as a gaming platform.

Oh wait ...

 

  Loktofeit

Elite Member

Joined: 1/13/10
Posts: 12387

Currently playing EVE, SMITE, Project Gorgon, and Combat Arms

1/03/12 8:26:26 AM#6
Originally posted by pupurun

What makes me wonder is why haven't any of the mmos risked a different formula of subscription.

They have - extended trials and freemium being the two most common alternatives -  and most people are aware of that. However, in places like this, if it isn't subscription then it gets dumped into the F2P category and rejected as bad.

 

Yes i DO mean a cheaper one.

Because leaving money on the table is DUMB.

 

"And wikipedia is as accurate as Britannica. Wikipedia is very reliable. You would be hard pressed to find a more reliable source for these kinds of things." -fivoroth

  Adamantine

Advanced Member

Joined: 1/07/08
Posts: 3326

War is not the ultima ratio, but the ultima irratio - Willy Brandt

1/03/12 8:32:52 AM#7
Originally posted by free2play

The thing with MMO games is, they have been around $15 a month for over 20 years.

I beg you pardon ? First MMO was Meridian 59 in 1996 ... thats at most 16 years.

  UtukuMoon

Apprentice Member

Joined: 12/03/11
Posts: 1109

1/03/12 8:39:39 AM#8
Originally posted by Adamantine
Originally posted by free2play

The thing with MMO games is, they have been around $15 a month for over 20 years.

I beg you pardon ? First MMO was Meridian 59 in 1996 ... thats at most 16 years.

Plus i think the £8-$15 came along with EQ1 which is coming up to it's 13 year.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8ymgFyzbDo

  Loktofeit

Elite Member

Joined: 1/13/10
Posts: 12387

Currently playing EVE, SMITE, Project Gorgon, and Combat Arms

1/03/12 8:47:36 AM#9
Originally posted by free2play

 1 - Free usually means you get to watch, not much more.
2 - It will kill PvP because you can pay to win.
3 - It's why Games are now defining themself as PvP or PvE.
 

 

1. Misinformation is completely unhelpful.  For reference:  

             If you have examples of free to play games that support your claim, please post which they are and what the restrictions are. The usual response is something to the effect of "Just look around, man! If you can't see it then you're blind!" If that's your argument then please post it because it further reinforces my point. :D
 
 
2. Since there are dozens of MMOPFS and MMORTS that prove this wrong, I don't get why you guys keep repeating it other than to try to convince yourselves
 
3. Not even sure what this has to do with anything.
 
I'd really like to see just one thread on F2P where the majority of arguments against it aren't the same old regurgitated myths and misinformation.

"And wikipedia is as accurate as Britannica. Wikipedia is very reliable. You would be hard pressed to find a more reliable source for these kinds of things." -fivoroth

  Loktofeit

Elite Member

Joined: 1/13/10
Posts: 12387

Currently playing EVE, SMITE, Project Gorgon, and Combat Arms

1/03/12 8:50:52 AM#10
Originally posted by Adamantine
Originally posted by free2play

The thing with MMO games is, they have been around $15 a month for over 20 years.

I beg you pardon ? First MMO was Meridian 59 in 1996 ... thats at most 16 years.

Exactly. And the earlier ones were $10/month up until about 2002 or so.

"And wikipedia is as accurate as Britannica. Wikipedia is very reliable. You would be hard pressed to find a more reliable source for these kinds of things." -fivoroth

  Loktofeit

Elite Member

Joined: 1/13/10
Posts: 12387

Currently playing EVE, SMITE, Project Gorgon, and Combat Arms

1/03/12 11:26:38 AM#11

 

Here's a page with a list of various business models. Figured this might be relevant to the thread:

http://www.tcdailyplanet.net/article/2008/05/05/it-s-all-game-mmorpg-business-models.html

"And wikipedia is as accurate as Britannica. Wikipedia is very reliable. You would be hard pressed to find a more reliable source for these kinds of things." -fivoroth

  Loke666

Elite Member

Joined: 10/29/07
Posts: 16745

1/03/12 11:33:17 AM#12

I would take $25 a month, no additional fees and the entire game included instead of all that crap.

No box sales, no microtransactions, no fees for changing name or server and no paid expansions. It would generate plenty of money for a good game, while a bad game would be gone in a few months.

$30 a month would work as well. But of course 2 free weeks or so before charging anything so you can't sell junk.

Otherwise, I prefer B2P and I will buy both GW2 and Class IV to support that model.

  Loke666

Elite Member

Joined: 10/29/07
Posts: 16745

1/03/12 11:36:57 AM#13
Originally posted by free2play

Revisions for all the little nerd, Robert Shapiro wannabe's.

We pay the same for a Sub through the life of the game. WoW subs have gone up $0.00, EVE sub rates are unchanged in 8 years, EQ subs havn't gone up in the course of the game.

Note, all figures are general and not applicable in a court of law. (usefull for people who think they want to win the forum tho)

Disclaimer: These are the views of me, not this Site

ESRB does not rate content on forums, your medication needs refilled. You need to get off the red bull. You really need to ask, why do you come to forums when you know the people here usually reply in a casual fashion?

Oh and as for your pretty little chart, you play EVE too I see. Spreadsheets in Eriador? No instanced travel on F2P, no quest packs, lets run over to Rivendell, get told to run back to Thorins hall to be told to go back to Rivendell. All that for one epic quest. F2P is a gateway.

And just to be clear, you guys think you look really smart on a forum? Or do you honestly know, deep down you look like idiots?

- Apology to the OP. Your thread is derailed and I am partly to blame because I know better. Some times I can't help but crawl under the bridge with the cockroaches. It's the weakness of breathing.

Actually, Wow and Eve have instead added RMT shops where they sell stuff for actual money so the average player pays more now than 3 years ago in both. Before all content was included, it ain't now and that means that the price have risen.

Yeah, ou don't have to buy the stuff but before you paid $15 for all content, now you pay $15 for most content.

  thinktank001

Elite Member

Joined: 12/13/08
Posts: 1884

1/03/12 12:06:34 PM#14
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by free2play

 1 - Free usually means you get to watch, not much more.
2 - It will kill PvP because you can pay to win.
3 - It's why Games are now defining themself as PvP or PvE.
 

 

1. Misinformation is completely unhelpful.  For reference:  

             If you have examples of free to play games that support your claim, please post which they are and what the restrictions are. The usual response is something to the effect of "Just look around, man! If you can't see it then you're blind!" If that's your argument then please post it because it further reinforces my point. :D
 
 
2. Since there are dozens of MMOPFS and MMORTS that prove this wrong, I don't get why you guys keep repeating it other than to try to convince yourselves
 
3. Not even sure what this has to do with anything.
 
I'd really like to see just one thread on F2P where the majority of arguments against it aren't the same old regurgitated myths and misinformation.

 

Myths and misinformation?    Come on the very acroynm F2P is a misnomer.   Sure you may not have payed a single dime to play, but some other unfortunate soul shelled out some cash for those items you bought with in game currency.   The basic building model for P2W games is offer basic or partial game mechanics for free, and charge for the premium or completed game mechanic.

 

Do you really think the game would still be around if it was totally free?   The only viable situation that could ever happen is if a company had a hugely successful game and used that totally free game to lure or keep their customers playing the hugely successful game.

 

 

  Loktofeit

Elite Member

Joined: 1/13/10
Posts: 12387

Currently playing EVE, SMITE, Project Gorgon, and Combat Arms

1/03/12 12:22:30 PM#15
Originally posted by thinktank001
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by free2play

 1 - Free usually means you get to watch, not much more.
2 - It will kill PvP because you can pay to win.
3 - It's why Games are now defining themself as PvP or PvE.
 

1. Misinformation is completely unhelpful.  For reference:  

             If you have examples of free to play games that support your claim, please post which they are and what the restrictions are. The usual response is something to the effect of "Just look around, man! If you can't see it then you're blind!" If that's your argument then please post it because it further reinforces my point. :D
 
 
2. Since there are dozens of MMOPFS and MMORTS that prove this wrong, I don't get why you guys keep repeating it other than to try to convince yourselves
 
3. Not even sure what this has to do with anything.
 
I'd really like to see just one thread on F2P where the majority of arguments against it aren't the same old regurgitated myths and misinformation.

Myths and misinformation?    Come on the very acroynm F2P is a misnomer.   Sure you may not have payed a single dime to play, but some other unfortunate soul shelled out some cash for those items you bought with in game currency.   The basic building model for P2W games is offer basic or partial game mechanics for free, and charge for the premium or completed game mechanic.

Do you really think the game would still be around if it was totally free?   The only viable situation that could ever happen is if a company had a hugely successful game and used that totally free game to lure or keep their customers playing the hugely successful game.

That you reject F2P for being misrepresentation yet you have made up the label P2W is kind of telling that you are more upset that it isn't what you want rather than being upset with any given flaw or any aspect of the points that I presented.

 

"And wikipedia is as accurate as Britannica. Wikipedia is very reliable. You would be hard pressed to find a more reliable source for these kinds of things." -fivoroth

  Gdemami

Elite Member

Joined: 9/23/08
Posts: 7034

1/03/12 12:24:50 PM#16


Originally posted by thinktank001

Sure you may not have payed a single dime to play 

F2P implies no more than it is in your quote.


It does not imply the company isn't making any profit.

  nariusseldon

Elite Member

Joined: 12/21/07
Posts: 19928

1/03/12 12:43:35 PM#17
Originally posted by thinktank001

Do you really think the game would still be around if it was totally free?   The only viable situation that could ever happen is if a company had a hugely successful game and used that totally free game to lure or keep their customers playing the hugely successful game.

 

 

 

It does NOT have to be totally free. The label is pretty accurate if it is free for a MAJORITY of players. And research has shown that (posted many times here before, use google) MOST MMO players do NOT pay.

 

  pupurun

Apprentice Member

Joined: 5/17/09
Posts: 542

 
OP  1/03/12 12:46:46 PM#18

So guys have you got any new ideas on HOW we can keep a game alive with subscritpions but not having empty servers?

And i do mean without the FTP formula...

  ForTheCity

Spotlight Poster

Joined: 12/10/11
Posts: 289

1/03/12 12:49:00 PM#19

I doubt that many games can still succeed as a P2P. Look at APB: Reloaded. It failed as a P2P, but now is starting to enjoy slight success with its F2P model. There are so many F2P options out these days there is no reason to play P2P unless you really want to play games like Star Wars. 

  pupurun

Apprentice Member

Joined: 5/17/09
Posts: 542

 
OP  1/03/12 12:57:08 PM#20
Originally posted by ForTheCity

I doubt that many games can still succeed as a P2P. Look at APB: Reloaded. It failed as a P2P, but now is starting to enjoy slight success with its F2P model. There are so many F2P options out these days there is no reason to play P2P unless you really want to play games like Star Wars. 

I guess the main reason why many people still want p2p games is the better quality of gamers. No doubt about it.

I am playing AOC since launch...I went through the good and the bad and the population was a main issue..Then we had the ftp model...and people going around naked named C.O.N.A.N and creating guilds named The Pokemons

You see we had PVE, PVP, RP PV and RP PVP servers at launch and when the game turned ftp we only got PVP and PVE.

Another issue that a ftp model affects and noone ever discusses about is the generalization of gameplay.

I bet that if Funcom created a strictly RP server with a low sub price it would have more people than that sort of FFA pvp blood and glory type of server they did

2 Pages 1 2 » Search