Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by JuJutsu

was the pve untouched by any other MMO out there? totally 

How can you type that with a straight face?

 

yes the PVE in Darkfall is completely amazingly good. I love it!

 

I should be clear I am comparing only to other MMO's

what PvE? 

and how much do you get payed by AV to post here?

Originally posted by 77lolmac77

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by JuJutsu

was the pve untouched by any other MMO out there? totally 

How can you type that with a straight face?

 

yes the PVE in Darkfall is completely amazingly good. I love it!

 

I should be clear I am comparing only to other MMO's

what PvE? 

and how much do you get payed by AV to post here?

I start to wonder this as well. The PVE in DF is standard at most... And it sux.

Originally posted by 77lolmac77

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by JuJutsu

was the pve untouched by any other MMO out there? totally 

How can you type that with a straight face?

 

yes the PVE in Darkfall is completely amazingly good. I love it!

 

I should be clear I am comparing only to other MMO's

what PvE? 

and how much do you get payed by AV to post here?

ok lets step back a second.

Everquest 2 PVE: click on monster, throw spells all PVE comes to where you are. Day or night doesnt matter

Darkfall: aim at monster, shoot arrow, here they come, oh wait they moved to get there friends, look out they are bring more, wait they why are they not moving in a straight line damn i have to aim what the h*ll is up with that!? oh you mean I can actually sneak up on the PVE, you mean they respond to noise and its different at night? yes.

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by 77lolmac77

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by JuJutsu

was the pve untouched by any other MMO out there? totally 

How can you type that with a straight face?

 

yes the PVE in Darkfall is completely amazingly good. I love it!

 

I should be clear I am comparing only to other MMO's

what PvE? 

and how much do you get payed by AV to post here?

ok lets step back a second.

Everquest 2 PVE: click on monster, throw spells all PVE comes to where you are. Day or night doesnt matter

Darkfall: aim at monster, shoot arrow, here they come, oh wait they moved to get there friends, look out they are bring more, wait they why are they not moving in a straight line damn i have to aim what the h*ll is up with that!? oh you mean I can actually sneak up on the PVE, you mean they respond to noise and its different at night? yes.

Hate to tell ya, but your speaking of the AI there. Not the PVE.

Originally posted by Norpan

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by 77lolmac77

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by JuJutsu

was the pve untouched by any other MMO out there? totally 

How can you type that with a straight face?

 

yes the PVE in Darkfall is completely amazingly good. I love it!

 

I should be clear I am comparing only to other MMO's

what PvE? 

and how much do you get payed by AV to post here?

ok lets step back a second.

Everquest 2 PVE: click on monster, throw spells all PVE comes to where you are. Day or night doesnt matter

Darkfall: aim at monster, shoot arrow, here they come, oh wait they moved to get there friends, look out they are bring more, wait they why are they not moving in a straight line damn i have to aim what the h*ll is up with that!? oh you mean I can actually sneak up on the PVE, you mean they respond to noise and its different at night? yes.

Hate to tell ya, but your speaking of the AI there. Not the PVE.

oh really? do explain that in detail I am intrested in learning the difference. please explain

PVE vs AI:

PVE = graphics model, AI, loot

When one talks about PVE do people really think we are talking about its character model or loot?

really?

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

PVE vs AI:

PVE = graphics model, AI, loot

 

When one talks about PVE do people really think we are talking about its character model or loot?

 

really?

The PVE still sux. It´s your average go kill 5 goblins and get ganked while doing it. It´s beyond bad and boring as hell. Yeah, it´s my opinion, and one that I think I share with everyone except the fanbois. We all know what category you belong to.

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

 

ok lets step back a second.

Everquest 2 PVE: click on monster, throw spells all PVE comes to where you are. Day or night doesnt matter

Darkfall: aim at monster, shoot arrow, here they come, oh wait they moved to get there friends, look out they are bring more, wait they why are they not moving in a straight line damn i have to aim what the h*ll is up with that!? oh you mean I can actually sneak up on the PVE, you mean they respond to noise and its different at night? yes.

not even going to argue

you're too far gone on this game and how it's "just like skyrim MMO!"

It's not a bad game, but if you can't see the flaws in it than AV has you right where they want you

Originally posted by 77lolmac77

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

 

ok lets step back a second.

Everquest 2 PVE: click on monster, throw spells all PVE comes to where you are. Day or night doesnt matter

Darkfall: aim at monster, shoot arrow, here they come, oh wait they moved to get there friends, look out they are bring more, wait they why are they not moving in a straight line damn i have to aim what the h*ll is up with that!? oh you mean I can actually sneak up on the PVE, you mean they respond to noise and its different at night? yes.

not even going to argue

 

you're too far gone on this game and how it's "just like skyrim MMO!"

 

It's not a bad game, but if you can't see the flaws in it than AV has you right where they want you

ok you and I were talking about pve. now we seem to be talking about the entire game or the company or something not completely sure actually

Originally posted by Norpan

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

PVE vs AI:

PVE = graphics model, AI, loot

 

When one talks about PVE do people really think we are talking about its character model or loot?

 

really?

The PVE still sux. It´s your average go kill 5 goblins and get ganked while doing it. It´s beyond bad and boring as hell. Yeah, it´s my opinion, and one that I think I share with everyone except the fanbois. We all know what category you belong to.

you are basically saying that you find the PVE in lets say Everquest 2 more fun than the PVE in Darkfall.

I think that is the most insane thing I have ever heard of but as you say, its all just opinions :)

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

no, silence on the forums doesnt mean you can take say that Darkfall 1 will be shut down as a fact to base your arguements.

 

sorry

just like 'no one lives forever 2' and 'oblivon' both look like cartoons...NO!!!!!

 

Other things many were completely positive would become fact that didnt.

1. That Darkfall 1 would never come out. [they were wrong] But it took them next to forever to deliver (5-8+ years depending who you believe)  and the launch is considered one of the worst ones in MMO history.

2. That Darkfall 1 wouldnt last a year [they were wrong] They did surprise me with this, but they couldn't hold on to their population or grow the game. Can't say any other title did better, but this was not really a major win.

3. That mortal online would release much better as a game than Darkfall [they were wrong]  Naw, they went into release much much worse than DF, remember the the early waves and all that found themselves in a alpha game.

4. That mortal online would quickly bury Darkfall [they were wrong] Only MO fanbois believed that, but then again both titles pretty much have one foot in the grave.

 So I would be careful to use assumptions as facts.

 

Originally posted by Kyleran

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

no, silence on the forums doesnt mean you can take say that Darkfall 1 will be shut down as a fact to base your arguements.

 

sorry

just like 'no one lives forever 2' and 'oblivon' both look like cartoons...NO!!!!!

 

Other things many were completely positive would become fact that didnt.

1. That Darkfall 1 would never come out. [they were wrong] But it took them next to forever to deliver (5-8+ years depending who you believe)  and the launch is considered one of the worst ones in MMO history.

People said 'IT WILL NEVER COME OUT' they did NOT say 'but if it does come out many years from now that validates our statement of it will never come out' that doesnt even make sense in the most bizzare of parrellel universe's. Infactic statements of 'it will never come out' mean exactly that, not something else.

2. That Darkfall 1 wouldnt last a year [they were wrong] They did surprise me with this, but they couldn't hold on to their population or grow the game. Can't say any other title did better, but this was not really a major win.

Might not have surprised you but during those days on the forums by far most posts at min. implied if not explictly stated that the game was going to die very soon.

3. That mortal online would release much better as a game than Darkfall [they were wrong]  Naw, they went into release much much worse than DF, remember the the early waves and all that found themselves in a alpha game.

During the days of pre-MO release the darkfall forums were filled with tons of posts talking about how great MO was and it wasnt even out yet!

4. That mortal online would quickly bury Darkfall [they were wrong] Only MO fanbois believed that, but then again both titles pretty much have one foot in the grave.

Tons of them were forum posters on darkfall forums, we never heard the end of MO during those days and here I might add

 So I would be careful to use assumptions as facts.

So again, I stand by what I said. TONS of forum posters here and on the darkfall forums often predicted things that they stated would be facts that never came to pass.

 

 

Arguing if DF or MO is better or who will bury who reminds me of an old proverb: "In the kingdom of the blind, the one eyed man is king!

Originally posted by kakasaki

Arguing if DF or MO is better or who will bury who reminds me of an old proverb: "In the kingdom of the blind, the one eyed man is king!

I feel like the lion on this video with the little girl being various gamer internet trolls

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01ialrOv0R0

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by kakasaki

Arguing if DF or MO is better or who will bury who reminds me of an old proverb: "In the kingdom of the blind, the one eyed man is king!

I feel like the lion on this video with the little girl being various gamer internet trolls

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01ialrOv0R0

 

So you feel helpless and the object of amusement for the masses? What an odd thing to say...

Originally posted by kakasaki

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by kakasaki

Arguing if DF or MO is better or who will bury who reminds me of an old proverb: "In the kingdom of the blind, the one eyed man is king!

I feel like the lion on this video with the little girl being various gamer internet trolls

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01ialrOv0R0

 

So you feel helpless and the object of amusement for the masses? What an odd thing to say...

ROFLMAO. Indeed.

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Kyleran

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

no, silence on the forums doesnt mean you can take say that Darkfall 1 will be shut down as a fact to base your arguements.

 

sorry

just like 'no one lives forever 2' and 'oblivon' both look like cartoons...NO!!!!!

 

Other things many were completely positive would become fact that didnt.

1. That Darkfall 1 would never come out. [they were wrong] But it took them next to forever to deliver (5-8+ years depending who you believe)  and the launch is considered one of the worst ones in MMO history.

People said 'IT WILL NEVER COME OUT' they did NOT say 'but if it does come out many years from now that validates our statement of it will never come out' that doesnt even make sense in the most bizzare of parrellel universe's. Infactic statements of 'it will never come out' mean exactly that, not something else.

2. That Darkfall 1 wouldnt last a year [they were wrong] They did surprise me with this, but they couldn't hold on to their population or grow the game. Can't say any other title did better, but this was not really a major win.

Might not have surprised you but during those days on the forums by far most posts at min. implied if not explictly stated that the game was going to die very soon.

3. That mortal online would release much better as a game than Darkfall [they were wrong]  Naw, they went into release much much worse than DF, remember the the early waves and all that found themselves in a alpha game.

During the days of pre-MO release the darkfall forums were filled with tons of posts talking about how great MO was and it wasnt even out yet!

4. That mortal online would quickly bury Darkfall [they were wrong] Only MO fanbois believed that, but then again both titles pretty much have one foot in the grave.

Tons of them were forum posters on darkfall forums, we never heard the end of MO during those days and here I might add

 So I would be careful to use assumptions as facts.

So again, I stand by what I said. TONS of forum posters here and on the darkfall forums often predicted things that they stated would be facts that never came to pass.

 

 

 

It's nothing to be proud of to be in development for 11 years only to be met with a terrible failure. I think it would've been best if they would've dropped this game entirely, instead of releasing such as mess and ruining their reputations for future games.

Til' this day, I still laugh at the post of one of those devs making about using XML files to configure their entire game. Those poor wannabe developers... =*(

Originally posted by ryman

It's nothing to be proud of to be in development for 11 years only to be met with a terrible failure. I think it would've been best if they would've dropped this game entirely, instead of releasing such as mess and ruining their reputations for future games.

Darkfall is the best MMO experience I have had by far. Both PVE and PVP. I wouldn't consider that a failure at all when they have earned the money back which was put into the game without advertisment and also while having troll infested forums, terrible reviews, harsh nooby experience, problematic launch, whiny community, and the average gamers that are too afraid to try a FFA PVP full-loot game. This isn't Blizzard. This isn't SOE. This is a small team with little experience but a big dream who made it happen without the things that most companies say are required to create an MMORPG. I consider it a success since they have provided me with an experience and stories to tell that nobody else will ever get to experience because everyone's history is different.

Originally posted by Xthos

My example is Vanguard, very bad problems, but they had eventually fixed a lot of the problems, and came out with raiding content that was fairly good, it had good classes, a pvp server, non-instanced housing, you could craft tons of things and it was a good system that made crafting stay viable, even with raiding (used some raid components to do so)...If it had released in the state it was when SoE had stopped supporting it much, it would of been a big hit imo...The damage was done though.

I played Vanguard's FFA PVP server during beta and launch. I must say that Vanguard felt abandoned by SOE because they seemed to pull the plug on development and only kept a large enough crew to work out the bugs. Did Vanguard come out with an expansion? Not during the few years that I played it. They took years to fix some broken bugs that ruined PVP and they were not even fixes but more like bandaids. As a player of both games I would have to say that I have a lot more faith in AV than  SOE because they have less money and are a smaller company but communicated more than SOE did (which can be bad because people get over-hyped) and fixed the game-breaking bugs faster which seemed like half the time that it would have taken SOE and most importantly they released a few expansions that added a lot of content to the game. Sure a lot of things could have been done to improve Darkfall and I am sure that they have made some mistakes that they would have done differently if they could do it again but SOE didn't even seem to care that the PVP was totally inbalanced and broken. I had to reroll characters in Vanguard because several classes were completely useless for PVP.

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by JuJutsu

was the pve untouched by any other MMO out there? totally 

How can you type that with a straight face?

 

yes the PVE in Darkfall is completely amazingly good. I love it!

 

I should be clear I am comparing only to other MMO's

No I do not think that PVE is better in other MMORPGs when watching my character stand still and create floating numbers coming from a monster as I rotate through the same spells and skills over and over again. Mob AI is important to me and so is not seeing red circles floating around dangerous monsters or floating names and numbers. In Darkfall mobs actually have senses. They heal eachother and drink potions and hide behind things and can be controlled by GMs.

Originally posted by 77lolmac77

you're too far gone on this game and how it's "just like skyrim MMO!"

I am sorry that you haven't played Darkfall enough to know this but Skyrim's combat totally sucks compared to Darkfall's. I am totally in love with all of the Elder Scroll games and they are actually my favorite when it comes to single-player RPGs and enjoy them much more than most people seem to. Since Skyrim has come out though I have found myself logging into Darkfall more often because its really made me appreciate it more. My Skyrim character is pretty noob and I have only spent about 60 hours playing it so far (thats not a lot in that game because its so cool) but I find myself logging into Darkfall instead. Why is that? Well you would have to play Darkfall long enough to have your controls fully customized to understand that but basically it comes down to the combat being much funner . ... even the PVE combat is better in Darkfall because in Skyrim you cannot customize your controls as much and are forced to only use 8 buttons for your favorite spells/skills and often pause the game during combat to do things like drink a dozen potions. The quests and how you permanently change things in Skyrim are better than Darkfall but thats about it besides being able to remove the clothing of dead women and position them in naughty positions before raising their corpses to serve you (I love that game lol).

Originally posted by Sid_Vicious

WoT

well.. be happy that you can still enjoy the game, i can't, for me it was also the best mmo out there, but AV ruined the whole genre for me... i'm done with it... got now more spare time, do some single player stuff and so on.. but i can't support AV any longer... i really wonder how people still can after all...

In the last 5 years? None of them.

That is though ofc highly subjective, moreoever even as a fan of the game (or at least it's ideal) a great deal of that is due to the fact that pretty much every other mmo in the past 5 years has been total shite. DF may also be shite but it is inexcusable for the others when they are shite without trying to innovate or be in the slightest bit ambitious.

PS: Did someone really say MO? If DF is a car crash MO is the wreck of the Titanic.