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  stevebmbsqd

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"Evolution thru Revolution"

12/28/11 7:54:45 AM#121
Originally posted by Teala
Originally posted by Shivam
Originally posted by Teala
I am not your a-typical reviewer.  Sorry, I do not rate grades simply based on fun factor or if they had a good launch or if this one class was fun to play.  I grade a whole game - everything....I do not give game companies a free ride.

And all reviewers i know actually play the game for atleast 2 to 3 weeks before giving the review. How can you review a game without playing it? not that i personally care for your reviews because for me ign.com is last stop for my review/preview needs.

Good for you.  :)

I have to agree with Shivam. I always enjoy reading your posts Teala, but it would be hard for anyone to take your review or your opinion seriously. It seems like you are intentionally avoiding what he is saying. You have admittedly not played the game outside of beta awhile back. You yourself just posted that you grade the whole game. How do you rate the whole game if you haven't played it?  

 This is just the perspective from someone on the outside. I know you are very passionate about games and what you want them to be. I too would love a world to play in and curse SOE everyday for what happened to SWG.

  Battlerock

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Joined: 12/12/11
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12/28/11 8:05:14 AM#122
Too many uses of the word '' I "
  jannisary13

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12/28/11 8:40:26 AM#123

Thurst me. SWTOR is not a SW fan game. Everyone can see that. This game like a gw2 and wow just fans are a plus members of the game . If u want a sw fan game ; it was SWG while living out there


  echolynfan

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I ain't got a gat but I gotta soldering gun

12/28/11 9:05:58 AM#124

Originally posted by FatGamer


Originally posted by Agricola1


Agree with you guys except for the grinch Danny Wojcicki, I think the rest of the MMORPG.com staff need to gang up and shove the coffee machine up his backside then order a double exspresso! I bet he rolled on a PvP server as republic and got raped as soon as he hit tatooine then uninstalled and sat with an upset face all Christmas in the dark listening to Leonard Cohen records!



I absolutely agree with this... Danny must have been scarred by a mean big brother in a darth vader mask when he was a child.



 




ROFL


Currently playing SWTOR and it's MUCH better than it was at launch.

  plescure

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Lvl 39 in the MMO called "Life"

12/28/11 9:08:40 AM#125

 


completely agree with Danny on this one. He summed it up very nicely and i think time will prove him right at the end of the initail 30 days when 70-80% of ppl fail to re-sub


 


If someone is talking in general chat in a language you dont understand, chances are they're not talking to you. So chill out and stop bitching about it!

  wesleyarts

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12/28/11 9:10:12 AM#126
Originally posted by s4ndm4n2006

"In short, SWTOR is great for Star Wars fans, but mediocre for everyone else."





 

 

  wesleyarts

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12/28/11 9:11:37 AM#127
Originally posted by plescure

 


completely agree with Danny on this one. He summed it up very nicely and i think time will prove him right at the end of the initail 30 days when 70-80% of ppl fail to re-sub


 

Well said wise friend, we will watch this eating popcorn as we do with old repeatable movies.

  Asamof

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12/28/11 9:17:39 AM#128

gonna wait till this goes F2P before trying it out. i'm going to guess a year or two before the switch


  jannisary13

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Joined: 12/22/11
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12/28/11 9:24:31 AM#129

?ll pay billon dolar for game items and otherthinks but never pay 1 dollar for the game time . so f2p i choose. not this money problem . loo  llo o l l


  User Deleted
12/28/11 9:34:17 AM#130

I think the new genre of gaming is griping... complaining about anything and everything because you can.  The games themselves are just fodder for the sport.  People always use WoW as this great measuring stick, as if it's not constantly being bashed by the very people who play it.  So in the end, all games suck... it's the degree of suckiness that people seem to be in disagreement about.  Perhaps instead of fooling ourselves by giving reviews which would suggest the possibility that it might actually be fun, we should be giving reviews as to how really bad the game is at this or that... and award the worst MMORPG with a prize award for meeting everyones expectations.  Spoiled are we... for we have more games to play now than ever and instead of enjoying what we have, we complain about it.  What if tomorrow there were no electricity.  No more electronic games ever again.  How really bad were these games when faced with having none of them?  Such a cynical society we all live in, no wonder we are forever trying to kill one another.

  Talin

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You only live once... make it count!

12/28/11 9:49:42 AM#131

I agree with the comments made by the staff, especially at launch. The game is being reviewed based on how it is today, not on the longevity of the experience.


Fast forward to six months from now with a re-review, it will be interesting to see what Bioware brings to the table to continue the cinematic experience and keep bringing players back. If they don't continue to expand and start to innovate, the game will quickly go stale. (This from a huge fanboy of the game).


  cippalippa

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12/28/11 9:53:22 AM#132

Wish there where more honest  videogame journalist like Danny, all the othere reviewers just lost credit to my eyes, and i will never believe them again.


  Kappadonna

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Posts: 71

12/28/11 9:55:23 AM#133

Danny is correct. The game is mediocre.


Look. This game has an empty world, the layout structure is of non-MMO calibur. What am I talking about? How about extremely instanced zones, tons of the legendary Bioware loading screens, and box/hallway instances. Narrow, linear paths with no real distingushiable open world environments. We all know that once upon a time we liked Warcraft and with that said we could easily distinguish the 'hot spots' in that game; X-Roads at the Barrens, Redridge, Ashenvale ... every zone in that game felt original, different, and had plenty of spots where people either constantly fought (PvP) or could recognize. There is NOTHING of that in Star Wars. Every level design is the same. The world is empty and hollow. Flat. Barren. Boring. Hell. Most of the NPCs aren't even selectable entities - they are part of the background. Don't believe me? Try clicking on them ... you can't. 


It's not that Star Wars is a bad game but it isn't really a true MMORPG. It plays more like a Co-Op RPG. The social side, persistent world, and open-world aspects (which are the strengths of what a true MMO are) are non-existent in this game. Classes play too similar, PvP is laughably boring, and the armor meshes are hideous. It's funny we are even given a character creation screen since 90% of people have robes that you can't hide covering their face and everyone looks damn near identical due to the lack of the art department crafting some decent looking clothing/armor. 


I really don't see SWTOR having a long lasting appeal like WoW did. Yes, it's something new and different, but in no way is this some gem of an MMORPG. It looks better than it is simply because it is better than just about anything that's come out the past few years. But please; don't kid yourself. This isn't some next-gen true MMORPG experience. It isn't even a real MMO. Cooperative Online RPG at best.


  Battlerock

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12/28/11 10:25:53 AM#134
^^ makes sense good point
  User Deleted
12/28/11 10:27:25 AM#135

I love that all of the haters are creaming their pants over Danny's reveiw.

 

And all of the positive ones?

 

Yeah their just being paid off by Bioware and EA.

  StanlyStanko

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Joined: 10/28/11
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12/28/11 10:32:13 AM#136
Originally posted by Happyguy83

I love that all of the haters are creaming their pants over Danny's reveiw.

 

And all of the positive ones?

 

Yeah their just being paid off by Bioware and EA.

Yeah they get one lil bone of a 6/10 and they're still frothing with hate. Sad.

  onehunerdper

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Joined: 10/15/07
Posts: 851

eh.

12/28/11 10:51:53 AM#137

No offense, I love Star Wars, but this game is on the level of Rift.  It's not really anything new.  It looks great, the story is amazing, but then what? A successful MMO is built on endgame.  Nothing that Bioware sells this game on will stay fresh and exciting after you've done the engame over and over again.  I see this going the way of Rift and DC Universe, great looking game, will probably get a lot of converts, but will sputter for years on the hopes and dreams of Star Wars fans and those bored with every other tired game on the market.  Then every time there's a "new" game a little chunk of it's player base will leave for greener pastures. 


Hopefully some truly revolutionary game will come along that lets you actually do epic things. I mean come on there are lots of things to add and combine all together for an epic feel:


Moving combat, aimed attacks, epic quests for actual prestige, player housing, player built cities that can be destoryed, in game wars on massive NPC scales that effect land control, not having everything instanced, single server gaming, guild cities, player run governments, environemnts being changed by the decisions of the faction, no dragons, acts of God (tornadoes, wild fires, hurricanes), flucuating animal populations actually affected by player hunting, crafting actually effecting the strength of your side, evolving tactics, smarter AI, heck even human controlled AI, unrestricted skill trees, npc organizations that evolve with the territory, non static NPC involment for Christ sake, single completion quests for in game stats, rotating exploration discoveries, world mysteries that evolve (Google exists, why don't we try and change things up so people can't just google it), naval warfare, actual space combat, planetary invasions, land sea and air co-ops, environmental faction bonuses, game changing events on a massive scale, fast travel that makes sense and actually requires important objects or costs something, so much content, so well done, that you don't need a mount, non static NPC movements, better damage to death ratios (I mean really 20 strikes with a lightsaber or blaster on a Jawa/animal?!), and on and on and on.


I mean these aren't all good ideas but in some form or fashion to some degree something needs to be done. These games have gotten stale.  I don't have all the answers but I wish someone at these freaking companies with millions of dollars would try something new and do it well instead of the safe plays we've been handed and everyone saying it's the second coming of Christ every single time it's realeased LOL.



  User Deleted
12/28/11 10:57:01 AM#138
Originally posted by onehunerdper

.These games have gotten stale. 

Has it ever occurded to you that there is nothing wrong with this genre and its just you who got burned out?

 

The ideas you listed is shit I ramble about while drunk when thinking of an awesome game with my friends. Whats worse is that you expect all of these things to be in games and without them they arn't that great.

  wizyy

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12/28/11 10:58:55 AM#139

"In short, SWTOR is great for Star Wars fans, but mediocre for everyone else."

Could be true for the most people, but:

I'm a Star Trek fan, but I don't like Star Trek Online.

I'm NOT a Star Wars fan, but I LOVED pre-CU SWG, and I'm indifferent towards SWTOR.

For me, quality and fun of SWTOR is on level par with STO, Champions Online, LOTRO... and those are free to play. Waiting on something new.

  onehunerdper

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eh.

12/28/11 10:59:27 AM#140
Originally posted by Happyguy83
Originally posted by onehunerdper

.These games have gotten stale. 

Has it ever occurded to you that there is nothing wrong with this genre and its just you who got burned out?

 

The ideas you listed is shit I ramble about while drunk when thinking of an awesome game with my friends. Whats worse is that you expect all of these things to be in games and without them they arn't that great.

LOL, wow really? If you don't think the genre has become stale you must be pretty easily entertained.  It's been almost 15 years and the only thing that has really improved dramtically are the graphics...and they're still sub-par, but that's due to limitations on the size usually.

 

I didn't say it needed all of them, I said there needs to be more and new things and listed a few, maybe if you'd stop flaming and being so prejudice against anyone who doesn't salivate over the same crap dressed up a different way you could read what I posted rationally.


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